Received: (at 76032-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2025 14:32:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 04 09:32:08 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43317 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tfJyC-0005T8-DN for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2025 09:32:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34182) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tfJy7-0005Si-1f for 76032-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2025 09:32:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tfJy1-0000sv-Ay; Tue, 04 Feb 2025 09:31:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Wggd++deAL7OS8WbK0rXAVrFkyohK3wO8dpEl+uwulM=; b=TbkYh5Lq0Lod wB2EuwRSVk6zK52jkww1K3wQ+FoNtjrmP3Z5LgQ40KSuAijErm1+wX31lI6HCtsaMOQwMMyA0u8qO Ub67HiRpiVl2Bk18rBnYhP8IAaWgfNel/5wueAI9xBH5Yst985ANMC8vuM7EldSRV2U+tIrEwCXig g3V5LxKCUZt5+zBwnCEHyb5uOaPc5d7X0Z5t3vdMPqCVUgYfwqKme0FBvj7dGIYV3ANKVXrgBD3zr i+B1OkWvgHdoW4WGJn9cUw8/QWskzyoyt5koEPf0xWlxdDoVG+9L7g2I7xVFRuwHTOuC5SdHn7EIM XH19QdlX0hIGgwYNnUO0PQ==; Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2025 16:31:55 +0200 Message-Id: <86tt99aihw.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAN+1HbqQ=MkZTOZ9ht=PANvDGvZVjBfuP5BHMyDVMM07XDRA4A@HIDDEN> (message from Ship Mints on Tue, 4 Feb 2025 05:28:33 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#76032: file-name-directory should treat "~" as the "user's root" and not return nil References: <CAN+1HbpRo5LmWZtK581Dh+6=B5gBdAgk=jW4_5gixoBzN6hYrQ@HIDDEN> <87v7tqyw9t.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqQ=MkZTOZ9ht=PANvDGvZVjBfuP5BHMyDVMM07XDRA4A@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76032-done Cc: michael.albinus@HIDDEN, 76032-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 76032 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 05:28:33 -0500 > > ~ is the conventional equivalent of ~/, more precisely ~/. It is "equivalent" in some sense but not in others. For the same reason that "foo/" and "foo" are not necessarily equivalent in Emacs: one has the form of a directory, the other has the form of a file name. We have functions like file-name-as-directory and directory-file-name precisely because in some cases these are _not_ equivalent. > I will guard my own code, add advice or replace erroneous code that I don't control, and offer patches as I've > been doing, like to project.el. That's the right thing to do, yes. > Please close this issue. Thanks, done.
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In any case, if this will break things as a long-standing convention, let's leave it alone. I definitely don't want to break Tramp or make maintenance even more challenging than it already is. I will guard my own code, add advice or replace erroneous code that I don't control, and offer patches as I've been doing, like to project.el. Please close this issue. -Stephane On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 3:00=E2=80=AFAM Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx= .de> wrote: > Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes: > > Hi, > > > The following returns nil but I think this should return "~": > > > > (file-name-directory "~") ; nil > > > > If one considers "~" as the "user's root", it seems natural to respect > > "~" as a directory equivalent and would be in harmony with: > > "~" is clearly a file name construct to be handled by > expand-file-name. We should not allow people to write too sloppy > code. There is a reason that Emacs has several operations for file > names, "since ever". > > And remember, file-name-directoy has handlers, for example (but not > restricted to) Tramp. Not all of them in Emacs core. How do you want to > change them? > > I'm against your proposal. > > > -Stephane > > Best regards, Michael. > --0000000000009cf75c062d4e7f86 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">~ is the conventional equivalent of ~/, more precisely ~/. though the . = is elided nearly all the time, and hence not a file but a path to a directo= ry.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br><= /div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">In any ca= se, if this will break things as a long-standing convention, let's leav= e it alone. I definitely don't want to break Tramp or make maintenance = even more challenging than it already=C2=A0is.</div><div class=3D"gmail_def= ault" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default= " style=3D"font-family:monospace">I will guard my own code, add advice or r= eplace erroneous code that I don't control, and offer patches as I'= ve been doing, like to project.el.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style= =3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"= font-family:monospace">Please close this issue.</div><div class=3D"gmail_de= fault" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul= t" style=3D"font-family:monospace">-Stephane</div></div><br><div class=3D"g= mail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On = Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 3:00=E2=80=AFAM Michael Albinus <<a href=3D"mailto:m= ichael.albinus@HIDDEN">michael.albinus@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><bloc= kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:= 1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mail= to:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>> write= s:<br> <br> Hi,<br> <br> > The following returns nil but I think this should return "~"= :<br> ><br> > (file-name-directory "~") ; nil<br> ><br> > If one considers "~" as the "user's root", it = seems natural to respect<br> > "~" as a directory equivalent and would be in harmony with:<= br> <br> "~" is clearly a file name construct to be handled by<br> expand-file-name. We should not allow people to write too sloppy<br> code. There is a reason that Emacs has several operations for file<br> names, "since ever".<br> <br> And remember, file-name-directoy has handlers, for example (but not<br> restricted to) Tramp. Not all of them in Emacs core. How do you want to<br> change them?<br> <br> I'm against your proposal.<br> <br> > -Stephane<br> <br> Best regards, Michael.<br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000009cf75c062d4e7f86--
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nil > > If one considers "~" as the "user's root", it seems natural to respect > "~" as a directory equivalent and would be in harmony with: "~" is clearly a file name construct to be handled by expand-file-name. We should not allow people to write too sloppy code. There is a reason that Emacs has several operations for file names, "since ever". And remember, file-name-directoy has handlers, for example (but not restricted to) Tramp. Not all of them in Emacs core. How do you want to change them? I'm against your proposal. > -Stephane Best regards, Michael.
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For example, code in project.el that needs help https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D75983 On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 5:25=E2=80=AFPM Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN= m> wrote: > Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Right. Let's consider this a feature request then. It's obvious that > it's a > > syntactical function but that doesn't prevent it from treating certain > > strings specially. Or it has to be wrapped or guarded for the "user's > root" > > case. > > How about using this instead > > (expand-file-name "~") > > ? > --000000000000bbb887062d446d7e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">The issue boils down to what other people have in their code that we can= 't easily avoid. For example, code in project.el that needs help=C2=A0<= a href=3D"https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D75983">https://de= bbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D75983</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_de= fault" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm= ail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On M= on, Feb 3, 2025 at 5:25=E2=80=AFPM Stefan Kangas <<a href=3D"mailto:stef= ankangas@HIDDEN">stefankangas@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockqu= ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px= solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:= shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<= br> <br> > Right. Let's consider this a feature request then. It's obviou= s that it's a<br> > syntactical function but that doesn't prevent it from treating cer= tain<br> > strings specially. Or it has to be wrapped or guarded for the "us= er's root"<br> > case.<br> <br> How about using this instead<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (expand-file-name "~")<br> <br> ?<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000bbb887062d446d7e--
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Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes:
> Right. Let's consider this a feature request then. It's obvious that it's a
> syntactical function but that doesn't prevent it from treating certain
> strings specially. Or it has to be wrapped or guarded for the "user's root"
> case.
How about using this instead
(expand-file-name "~")
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Let's consider this a feature request then. It's obvious that it's a syntactical function but that doesn't prevent it from treating certain strings specially. Or it has to be wrapped or guarded for the "user's root" case. On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 2:57=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:10:45 -0500 > > > > The following returns nil but I think this should return "~": > > > > (file-name-directory "~") ; nil > > file-name-directory is a purely syntactical function, it knows nothing > about the special meaning of "~". It returns the "directory component > of a file name". And "~" does not have such a component. > > So I don't think it's a bug. > --000000000000d1e334062d425d34 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">Right. Let's consider this a feature request then. It's obvious = that it's a syntactical function but that doesn't prevent it from t= reating certain strings specially. Or it has to be wrapped or guarded for t= he "user's root" case.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo= te gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb= 3, 2025 at 2:57=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN= g">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad= ding-left:1ex">> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@gmail.= com" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:10:45 -0500<br> > <br> > The following returns nil but I think this should return "~"= :<br> > <br> > (file-name-directory "~") ; nil<br> <br> file-name-directory is a purely syntactical function, it knows nothing<br> about the special meaning of "~".=C2=A0 It returns the "dire= ctory component<br> of a file name".=C2=A0 And "~" does not have such a componen= t.<br> <br> So I don't think it's a bug.<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000d1e334062d425d34--
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charset="UTF-8" The following returns nil but I think this should return "~": (file-name-directory "~") ; nil If one considers "~" as the "user's root", it seems natural to respect "~" as a directory equivalent and would be in harmony with: (file-name-directory "/") which returns "/" And also in harmony with: (file-name-directory "~/") which returns "~/" If one wants to guarantee a directory form, one does: (file-name-as-directory "~") which does return "~/" And this would allow this form to work: (file-name-as-directory (file-name-directory "~")) rather than signal and error. -Stephane --000000000000ace27c062d40d66c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e"><div class=3D"gmail_default">The following returns nil but I think this = should return "~":</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><d= iv class=3D"gmail_default">(file-name-directory "~") ; nil</div><= div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">If one c= onsiders "~" as the "user's root", it seems natural= to respect "~" as a directory equivalent and would be in harmony= with:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa= ult">(file-name-directory "/") which returns "/"</div><= div class=3D"gmail_default"><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_default">And also in harmony with:</div><div class=3D"gmail_def= ault"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><div class=3D"gmail_default">(= file-name-directory "~/") which returns "~/"</div></div= ><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">If one= wants to guarantee a directory form, one does:</div><div class=3D"gmail_de= fault"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">(file-name-as-directory "= ;~") which does return "~/"<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def= ault"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">And this would allow this form= to work:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d= efault"><div class=3D"gmail_default">(file-name-as-directory (file-name-dir= ectory "~")) rather than signal and error.</div></div><div class= =3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">-Stephane</div></= div></div></div> --000000000000ace27c062d40d66c--
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