Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
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Contovounesios" <basil@HIDDEN> References: <ac356c22-cd5d-4d68-83a3-3ae25c8dfe56@HIDDEN> <a81fdcf5-5c03-4038-aa05-565ca40e9813@HIDDEN> <877c5t7c41.fsf@HIDDEN> <dc9992c7-26bd-451d-bf7c-ecfd01ffda8a@HIDDEN> <87wmdsiu1p.fsf@HIDDEN> <647fa1a0-fb57-40c5-adb9-1abf5b5f4528@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <647fa1a0-fb57-40c5-adb9-1abf5b5f4528@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76156 Cc: 76156 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------uhNU9mnX9DiJ0K6oIUvZ7lq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes: > "Basil L. Contovounesios" <basil@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Mauro Aranda [2025-02-13 21:22 -0300] wrote: >> >>> "Basil L. Contovounesios" <basil@HIDDEN> writes: >>>> Mauro Aranda [2025-02-09 08:57 -0300] wrote: >>>>> Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> After emacs -Q: >>>>>> (require 'allout) >>>>>> M-x customize-option RET allout-command-prefix >>>>>> >>>>>> The Customize buffer shows up, with STATE being: >>>>>> EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's wrong, it should say STANDARD. >>>> >>>> Agreed, but this must be common to all key-sequence user options, > right? >>>> >>>> I see the same state with: >>>> >>>> - cua-rectangle-mark-key >>>> - flyspell-auto-correct-binding >>>> - footnote-prefix >>>> - gud-key-prefix >>>> - hide-ifdef-mode-prefix-key >>>> - outline-minor-mode-prefix >>>> - viper-toggle-key >>> >>> Right. Thanks for finding those. >>> >>>> So I think this was a regression somewhere in Emacs 27; >>>> the startup state looks as expected in Emacs versions 24 through 26. >>> >>> I can't try Emacs 26, sadly. But I take your word. Problem is, with >>> the widget being obsolete, there's no much incentive to go chasing the >>> cause, at least for me. >> >> I asked Git, so you can give me my word back ;). >> >> 283fd5f2f6f3fa1f650c5a77f9e3587faddd6881 is the first bad commit >> Author: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> >> Date: 2019-09-27 18:06:36 +0200 >> >> Don't discard customizations in progress when adding comments > (Bug#5358) >> >> The bisect covered emacs-26.3..emacs-27.2. In every step I checked the >> state of viper-toggle-key, which has been a vector since 2005, and a >> key-sequence since Emacs 25. >> > > Thanks! I was looking into it, and wasn't sure if that was the culprit > commit. > >> Starting with the 'bad' commit, the user option shows up as EDITED in >> emacs -Q. This is because default-value returns [(control ?z)], whereas >> widget-value returns "^Z" in the function custom-variable-modified-p. > > Yes. I'm trying to see if calling the :value-to-external on value > is enough, but I think I'm running into the issue you mentioned: > key-parse is dropping the trailing space, so no luck so far. I came up with a fix for custom-variable-modified-p, in the attached patch. With the patch, all of these options show its state as STANDARD, which is what should happen: - allout-command-prefix - cua-rectangle-mark-key - flyspell-auto-correct-binding - footnote-prefix - gud-key-prefix - hide-ifdef-mode-prefix-key - outline-minor-mode-prefix - viper-toggle-key I've found that converting those to use the key widget instead is potentially not backward compatible, and introduces too many complications that I concluded it's not worth it, so I didn't pursue it anymore. 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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#76156; Package emacs.
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Contovounesios" <basil@HIDDEN> writes: > Mauro Aranda [2025-02-13 21:22 -0300] wrote: > >> "Basil L. Contovounesios" <basil@HIDDEN> writes: >>> Mauro Aranda [2025-02-09 08:57 -0300] wrote: >>>> Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes: >>>> >>>>> After emacs -Q: >>>>> (require 'allout) >>>>> M-x customize-option RET allout-command-prefix >>>>> >>>>> The Customize buffer shows up, with STATE being: >>>>> EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it. >>>>> >>>>> That's wrong, it should say STANDARD. >>> >>> Agreed, but this must be common to all key-sequence user options, right? >>> >>> I see the same state with: >>> >>> - cua-rectangle-mark-key >>> - flyspell-auto-correct-binding >>> - footnote-prefix >>> - gud-key-prefix >>> - hide-ifdef-mode-prefix-key >>> - outline-minor-mode-prefix >>> - viper-toggle-key >> >> Right. Thanks for finding those. >> >>> So I think this was a regression somewhere in Emacs 27; >>> the startup state looks as expected in Emacs versions 24 through 26. >> >> I can't try Emacs 26, sadly. But I take your word. Problem is, with >> the widget being obsolete, there's no much incentive to go chasing the >> cause, at least for me. > > I asked Git, so you can give me my word back ;). > > 283fd5f2f6f3fa1f650c5a77f9e3587faddd6881 is the first bad commit > Author: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> > Date: 2019-09-27 18:06:36 +0200 > > Don't discard customizations in progress when adding comments (Bug#5358) > > The bisect covered emacs-26.3..emacs-27.2. In every step I checked the > state of viper-toggle-key, which has been a vector since 2005, and a > key-sequence since Emacs 25. > Thanks! I was looking into it, and wasn't sure if that was the culprit commit. > Starting with the 'bad' commit, the user option shows up as EDITED in > emacs -Q. This is because default-value returns [(control ?z)], whereas > widget-value returns "^Z" in the function custom-variable-modified-p. Yes. I'm trying to see if calling the :value-to-external on value is enough, but I think I'm running into the issue you mentioned: key-parse is dropping the trailing space, so no luck so far.
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Contovounesios" <basil@HIDDEN> writes: >> Mauro Aranda [2025-02-09 08:57 -0300] wrote: >>> Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes: >>> >>>> After emacs -Q: >>>> (require 'allout) >>>> M-x customize-option RET allout-command-prefix >>>> >>>> The Customize buffer shows up, with STATE being: >>>> EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it. >>>> >>>> That's wrong, it should say STANDARD. >> >> Agreed, but this must be common to all key-sequence user options, right? >> >> I see the same state with: >> >> - cua-rectangle-mark-key >> - flyspell-auto-correct-binding >> - footnote-prefix >> - gud-key-prefix >> - hide-ifdef-mode-prefix-key >> - outline-minor-mode-prefix >> - viper-toggle-key > > Right.=C2=A0 Thanks for finding those. > >> So I think this was a regression somewhere in Emacs 27; >> the startup state looks as expected in Emacs versions 24 through 26. > > I can't try Emacs 26, sadly.=C2=A0 But I take your word.=C2=A0 Problem is= , with > the widget being obsolete, there's no much incentive to go chasing the > cause, at least for me. I asked Git, so you can give me my word back ;). 283fd5f2f6f3fa1f650c5a77f9e3587faddd6881 is the first bad commit Author: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> Date: 2019-09-27 18:06:36 +0200 Don't discard customizations in progress when adding comments (Bug#5358) The bisect covered emacs-26.3..emacs-27.2. In every step I checked the state of viper-toggle-key, which has been a vector since 2005, and a key-sequence since Emacs 25. Starting with the 'bad' commit, the user option shows up as EDITED in emacs -Q. This is because default-value returns [(control ?z)], whereas widget-value returns "^Z" in the function custom-variable-modified-p. >>> and the key-sequence widget requires another format for its value. >> What format is that? > A vector.=C2=A0 This has been the case for quite some time, I think. That makes sense, but unfortunately it wasn't clear to me from its documentation and usage in the wild. >> - widget-key-sequence-value-to-external via key-parse/read-kbd-macro >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 drops the trailing space (this surprised me), but this shoul= dn't give >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 rise to the current issue, given it behaved the same in Emac= s 26, and >>=C2=A0=C2=A0 also given the other affected user options. > > This is the one that matters.=C2=A0 The value is "C-c SPC", and it doesn't > match with [3 32].=C2=A0 But again, no incentive for me to touch that cod= e, > since we should be using either the key widget, or keeping it as a > string. Right. Thanks, --=20 Basil
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Contovounesios" <basil@HIDDEN> writes: > Mauro Aranda [2025-02-09 08:57 -0300] wrote: > >> Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes: >> >>> After emacs -Q: >>> (require 'allout) >>> M-x customize-option RET allout-command-prefix >>> >>> The Customize buffer shows up, with STATE being: >>> EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it. >>> >>> That's wrong, it should say STANDARD. > > Agreed, but this must be common to all key-sequence user options, right? > > I see the same state with: > > - cua-rectangle-mark-key > - flyspell-auto-correct-binding > - footnote-prefix > - gud-key-prefix > - hide-ifdef-mode-prefix-key > - outline-minor-mode-prefix > - viper-toggle-key Right. Thanks for finding those. > So I think this was a regression somewhere in Emacs 27; > the startup state looks as expected in Emacs versions 24 through 26. I can't try Emacs 26, sadly. But I take your word. Problem is, with the widget being obsolete, there's no much incentive to go chasing the cause, at least for me. >> The commit that introduced this is: >> >> commit f7c2fe3337bb5e5721d17f40f79dbc1275e17b0d >> Author: Basil L. Contovounesios <basil@HIDDEN> >> Date: Wed Feb 28 16:38:21 2024 +0100 >> >> Pacify some docstring control char warnings >> >> Other instances are discussed in the following thread: >> https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2024-02/msg00797.html >> >> * lisp/allout.el (allout-command-prefix): Declare :type as >> key-sequence. Mark up key sequences in docstring. >> >> The :type was changed from string to key-sequence, but not the value, > > Yes, I was trying to avoid changing the default value. >> and the key-sequence widget requires another format for its value. > > What format is that? A vector. This has been the case for quite some time, I think. > - The manual entry for key-sequence links to > (info "(elisp) Key Sequences") which e.g. includes the text: > > ‘"\C-xl"’ represents the key sequence ‘C-x l’ > > according to which I would (and did) interpret "\C-c " as also being a > key sequence. > > - widget-key-sequence-validate takes any string or vector. > > - widget-key-sequence-value-to-internal delegates to key-description, > which works as desired: (key-description "\C-c ") => "C-c SPC". > > - widget-key-sequence-value-to-external via key-parse/read-kbd-macro > drops the trailing space (this surprised me), but this shouldn't give > rise to the current issue, given it behaved the same in Emacs 26, and > also given the other affected user options. This is the one that matters. The value is "C-c SPC", and it doesn't match with [3 32]. But again, no incentive for me to touch that code, since we should be using either the key widget, or keeping it as a string. >> Furthermore, the key-sequence widget has been marked as obsolete since >> 2022. > > Yes, at the time I probably thought that in the future someone would > switch the remaining key-sequence user options to some other default > format, but I didn't want to undertake that :). Understandable :). Maybe I'll give it a shot, but I don't know if it can be backward compatible. >> Because of compatibility, I recommend keeping the :type as string, >> since other widgets are more restrictive. > > No objections from me, although the UI for strings representing keys > leaves something to be desired :). OK, so I'll try to convert these options to use the key widget. Thanks for your response.
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Mauro Aranda [2025-02-09 08:57 -0300] wrote:
> Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> After emacs -Q:
>> (require 'allout)
>> M-x customize-option RET allout-command-prefix
>>
>> The Customize buffer shows up, with STATE being:
>> EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it.
>>
>> That's wrong, it should say STANDARD.
Agreed, but this must be common to all key-sequence user options, right?
I see the same state with:
- cua-rectangle-mark-key
- flyspell-auto-correct-binding
- footnote-prefix
- gud-key-prefix
- hide-ifdef-mode-prefix-key
- outline-minor-mode-prefix
- viper-toggle-key
So I think this was a regression somewhere in Emacs 27;
the startup state looks as expected in Emacs versions 24 through 26.
> The commit that introduced this is:
>
> commit f7c2fe3337bb5e5721d17f40f79dbc1275e17b0d
> Author: Basil L. Contovounesios <basil@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed Feb 28 16:38:21 2024 +0100
>
> Pacify some docstring control char warnings
>
> Other instances are discussed in the following thread:
> https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2024-02/msg00797.html
>
> * lisp/allout.el (allout-command-prefix): Declare :type as
> key-sequence. Mark up key sequences in docstring.
>
> The :type was changed from string to key-sequence, but not the value,
Yes, I was trying to avoid changing the default value.
> and the key-sequence widget requires another format for its value.
What format is that?
- The manual entry for key-sequence links to
(info "(elisp) Key Sequences") which e.g. includes the text:
=E2=80=98"\C-xl"=E2=80=99 represents the key sequence =E2=80=98C-x l=E2=
=80=99
according to which I would (and did) interpret "\C-c " as also being a
key sequence.
- widget-key-sequence-validate takes any string or vector.
- widget-key-sequence-value-to-internal delegates to key-description,
which works as desired: (key-description "\C-c ") =3D> "C-c SPC".
- widget-key-sequence-value-to-external via key-parse/read-kbd-macro
drops the trailing space (this surprised me), but this shouldn't give
rise to the current issue, given it behaved the same in Emacs 26, and
also given the other affected user options.
> Furthermore, the key-sequence widget has been marked as obsolete since
> 2022.
Yes, at the time I probably thought that in the future someone would
switch the remaining key-sequence user options to some other default
format, but I didn't want to undertake that :).
> Because of compatibility, I recommend keeping the :type as string,
> since other widgets are more restrictive.
No objections from me, although the UI for strings representing keys
leaves something to be desired :).
Thanks,
--=20
Basil
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Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes:
> After emacs -Q:
> (require 'allout)
> M-x customize-option RET allout-command-prefix
>
> The Customize buffer shows up, with STATE being:
> EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it.
>
> That's wrong, it should say STANDARD.
>
The commit that introduced this is:
commit f7c2fe3337bb5e5721d17f40f79dbc1275e17b0d
Author: Basil L. Contovounesios <basil@HIDDEN>
Date: Wed Feb 28 16:38:21 2024 +0100
Pacify some docstring control char warnings
Other instances are discussed in the following thread:
https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2024-02/msg00797.html
* lisp/allout.el (allout-command-prefix): Declare :type as
key-sequence. Mark up key sequences in docstring.
The :type was changed from string to key-sequence, but not the value,
and the key-sequence widget requires another format for its value.
Furthermore, the key-sequence widget has been marked as obsolete since
2022.
Because of compatibility, I recommend keeping the :type as string,
since other widgets are more restrictive.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#76156; Package emacs.
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Sun, 09 Feb 2025 03:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.234] ([181.228.33.6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-21f3650e671sm58777695ad.33.2025.02.09.03.48.09 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Feb 2025 03:48:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <ac356c22-cd5d-4d68-83a3-3ae25c8dfe56@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 08:48:08 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> Subject: 31.0.50; Wrong STATE when customizing allout-command-prefix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::62e; envelope-from=maurooaranda@HIDDEN; helo=mail-pl1-x62e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) After emacs -Q: (require 'allout) M-x customize-option RET allout-command-prefix The Customize buffer shows up, with STATE being: EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it. That's wrong, it should say STANDARD. In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 94, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2025-02-09 built on tbb-desktop Repository revision: 35fa7126903a0ac6a28901d194f0753acf60928d Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12201001 System Description: Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER X11 XDBE XIM XINERAMA XINPUT2 XPM XRANDR GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_MONETARY: es_AR.UTF-8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: es_AR.UTF-8 value of $LC_TIME: es_AR.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Custom Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t minibuffer-regexp-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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