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Hi Michael,

I end up having to read the ange-ftp source code to understand this
issue.  So maybe it needs to be documented.  WDYT?

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From b2dcfd3dcbdabb3539b240caf8ef4f6244d89c86 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:27:20 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Precision on Ange FTP parsing of .authinfo file

* doc/misc/tramp.texi (Password handling): Document discrepancy
in Ange FTP parsing of .authinfo file.
---
 doc/misc/tramp.texi | 11 +++++++++++
 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)

diff --git a/doc/misc/tramp.texi b/doc/misc/tramp.texi
index 86ffba29744..7bab822a095 100644
--- a/doc/misc/tramp.texi
+++ b/doc/misc/tramp.texi
@@ -2223,6 +2223,17 @@ Password handling
 (customize-set-variable 'ange-ftp-netrc-filename "~/.authinfo.gpg")
 @end lisp
 
+If you do so, note that Ange FTP does not parse the @option{port} option
+in the @file{.authinfo} file.  So if you need to use different port, you
+should have an entry like this:
+
+@example
+machine @var{host}#@var{port} login @var{user} password secret
+@end example
+
+And then use it to open your remote files with
+@file{@trampfn{ftp,host#port,/path/to/file}}.
+
 In case you do not want to use an authentication file for
 @value{tramp} passwords, use connection-local variables
 @ifinfo
-- 
2.48.1


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Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi Michael,

Hi Manuel,

> I end up having to read the ange-ftp source code to understand this
> issue.  So maybe it needs to be documented.  WDYT?

Thanks for pointing to this problem. However, I believe it is a little
bit more complex.

1. Ftp is still ftp. I believe, if you have a ~/.netrc file containing

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
   machine HOST login USER port PORT password SECRET
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

   it will still work, independent of auth-sources.

2. Your proposed entry

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
   machine HOST#PORT login USER password SECRET
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

   is good for every Tramp method, not only for method 'ftp'. Dow we
   want to have such a wildcard entry?

3. The Tramp manual explains already the port problem with the example

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
   machine melancholia#4711 port davs login daniel%BIZARRE password geheim
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Shouldn't we simply say that this is also applicable for the 'ftp' method?

Best regards, Michael.

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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:

> Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>
> Hi Manuel,
>
>> I end up having to read the ange-ftp source code to understand this
>> issue.  So maybe it needs to be documented.  WDYT?
>
> Thanks for pointing to this problem. However, I believe it is a little
> bit more complex.
>
> 1. Ftp is still ftp. I believe, if you have a ~/.netrc file containing
>
>    machine HOST login USER port PORT password SECRET
>
>
>    it will still work, independent of auth-sources.

I have tested it and it doesn't work for me.  I have left
`ange-ftp-netrc-filename' to its default and add such entry in my .netrc
but TRAMP/Ange-FTP cannot connect to the host (which listens on a non
standard port).

From what I can gather from "ange-ftp.el", it seems that it could only
parse a different port with the form HOST#PORT.

> 2. Your proposed entry
>
>    machine HOST#PORT login USER password SECRET
>
>
>    is good for every Tramp method, not only for method 'ftp'. Dow we
>    want to have such a wildcard entry?

Yes, you're right this is too large.  Maybe it should be:

     machine HOST#PORT port ftp login USER password SECRET

As I have stated, I don't think that Ange FTP cares about the 'port'
option.  But maybe, this is required to filter out other methods.

> 3. The Tramp manual explains already the port problem with the example
>
>    machine melancholia#4711 port davs login daniel%BIZARRE password geheim
>
> Shouldn't we simply say that this is also applicable for the 'ftp'
> method?

Yes, maybe that could be enough.  I don't really know how to phrase it
though.
-- 
Manuel Giraud

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Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Manuel,

>> 3. The Tramp manual explains already the port problem with the example
>>
>>    machine melancholia#4711 port davs login daniel%BIZARRE password geheim
>>
>> Shouldn't we simply say that this is also applicable for the 'ftp'
>> method?
>
> Yes, maybe that could be enough.  I don't really know how to phrase it
> though.

How about this:


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diff --git a/doc/misc/tramp.texi b/doc/misc/tramp.texi
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 machine melancholia#4711 port davs login daniel%BIZARRE password geheim
 @end example

+@noindent
+This must also be applied for the @option{ftp} method, like in
+
+@example
+machine @var{host}#@var{port} port ftp login @var{user} password secret
+@end example
+
 For the methods @option{doas}, @option{sudo}, @option{sudoedit} and
 @option{nspawn} the password of the user requesting the connection is
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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:

> Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> Hi Manuel,
>
>>> 3. The Tramp manual explains already the port problem with the example
>>>
>>>    machine melancholia#4711 port davs login daniel%BIZARRE password geheim
>>>
>>> Shouldn't we simply say that this is also applicable for the 'ftp'
>>> method?
>>
>> Yes, maybe that could be enough.  I don't really know how to phrase it
>> though.
>
> How about this:

Well sorry but I think there was some misunderstanding on my part.  The
manual says:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
   The port can take any TRAMP method (*note Inline methods::, *note
External methods::).  Omitting port values matches all TRAMP methods.
Domain and ports, as used in TRAMP file name syntax, must be appended to
the machine and login items:
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

I thought that the 'port' option was used to declare a non standard port
for a given server but it seems that this option is used to match
against TRAMP *method*.

This misunderstanding leads me to read how Ange FTP parses netrc (or
authinfo) entries.  But I'm not sure there is a need for a documentation
fix then.
-- 
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Hi Michael,

I end up having to read the ange-ftp source code to understand this
issue.  So maybe it needs to be documented.  WDYT?

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* doc/misc/tramp.texi (Password handling): Document discrepancy
in Ange FTP parsing of .authinfo file.
---
 doc/misc/tramp.texi | 11 +++++++++++
 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)

diff --git a/doc/misc/tramp.texi b/doc/misc/tramp.texi
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--- a/doc/misc/tramp.texi
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 (customize-set-variable 'ange-ftp-netrc-filename "~/.authinfo.gpg")
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+If you do so, note that Ange FTP does not parse the @option{port} option
+in the @file{.authinfo} file.  So if you need to use different port, you
+should have an entry like this:
+
+@example
+machine @var{host}#@var{port} login @var{user} password secret
+@end example
+
+And then use it to open your remote files with
+@file{@trampfn{ftp,host#port,/path/to/file}}.
+
 In case you do not want to use an authentication file for
 @value{tramp} passwords, use connection-local variables
 @ifinfo
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Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Manuel,

> This misunderstanding leads me to read how Ange FTP parses netrc (or
> authinfo) entries.  But I'm not sure there is a need for a documentation
> fix then.

OK, let's be it as it is. I'm closing this bug.

Best regards, Michael.


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Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Manuel,

> This misunderstanding leads me to read how Ange FTP parses netrc (or
> authinfo) entries.  But I'm not sure there is a need for a documentation
> fix then.

OK, let's be it as it is. I'm closing this bug.

Best regards, Michael.


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Tags: patch

Hi Michael,

I end up having to read the ange-ftp source code to understand this
issue.  So maybe it needs to be documented.  WDYT?

In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 6, x86_64-unknown-openbsd7.6, X toolkit) of
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Repository revision: 35fa7126903a0ac6a28901d194f0753acf60928d
Repository branch: mgi/tramp-ange-docfix
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System Description: OpenBSD computer 7.6 GENERIC.MP#534 amd64

Configured using:
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From b2dcfd3dcbdabb3539b240caf8ef4f6244d89c86 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:27:20 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Precision on Ange FTP parsing of .authinfo file

* doc/misc/tramp.texi (Password handling): Document discrepancy
in Ange FTP parsing of .authinfo file.
---
 doc/misc/tramp.texi | 11 +++++++++++
 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)

diff --git a/doc/misc/tramp.texi b/doc/misc/tramp.texi
index 86ffba29744..7bab822a095 100644
--- a/doc/misc/tramp.texi
+++ b/doc/misc/tramp.texi
@@ -2223,6 +2223,17 @@ Password handling
 (customize-set-variable 'ange-ftp-netrc-filename "~/.authinfo.gpg")
 @end lisp
 
+If you do so, note that Ange FTP does not parse the @option{port} option
+in the @file{.authinfo} file.  So if you need to use different port, you
+should have an entry like this:
+
+@example
+machine @var{host}#@var{port} login @var{user} password secret
+@end example
+
+And then use it to open your remote files with
+@file{@trampfn{ftp,host#port,/path/to/file}}.
+
 In case you do not want to use an authentication file for
 @value{tramp} passwords, use connection-local variables
 @ifinfo
-- 
2.48.1


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