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Subject: Re: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el
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James Thomas writes:
> Andrew Cohen writes:
>
>> I asked on emacs.gnus.general to see if anyone was using nnweb. Although
>> the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas,
>> continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use
>> help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied
>> here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather
>> than obsoleting it.
>
> Please hold on; I'll send in an updated patch, with the article washing
> also included.
>
> (Thanks for linking to this bug)
IDK if this is the right place for it, but here it is:
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diff --git a/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el b/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el
index 57964f93437..942556db1b4 100644
=2D-- a/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el
+++ b/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el
@@ -40,36 +40,36 @@
(defvoo nnweb-directory (nnheader-concat gnus-directory "nnweb/")
"Where nnweb will save its files.")
-(defvoo nnweb-type 'google
+(defvoo nnweb-type 'emacs-help
"What search engine type is being used.
-Valid types include `google' and `dejanews'.")
+Valid types include `emacs-help' and `dejanews'.")
(defvar nnweb-type-definition
- '((google
- (id . "https://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=3D%s&hl=3Den&dmode=3D=
source")
- (result . "https://groups.google.com/group/%s/msg/%s?dmode=3Dsource"=
)
- (article . nnweb-google-wash-article)
- (reference . identity)
- (map . nnweb-google-create-mapping)
- (search . nnweb-google-search)
- (address . "https://groups.google.com/groups")
- (base . "https://groups.google.com")
- (identifier . nnweb-google-identity))
+ '((emacs-help
+ (id . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=3Dhe=
lp-gnu-emacs&sort=3Dscore&result=3Dnormal&max=3D20&submit=3DSearch!&query=
=3D%%2Bmessage-id%%3A%%3C%s%%3E")
+ (result . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/%s/%s.html")
+ (article . nnweb-gnu-wash-article)
+ (reference . nnweb-gnu-reference)
+ (map . nnweb-gnu-create-mapping)
+ (search . nnweb-gnu-search)
+ (address . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi")
+ (base . "https://lists.gnu.org")
+ (identifier . nnweb-gnu-identity))
;; FIXME: Make obsolete?
(dejanews ;; alias of google
(id . "https://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=3D%s&hl=3Den&dmode=3D=
source")
(result . "https://groups.google.com/group/%s/msg/%s?dmode=3Dsource"=
)
- (article . nnweb-google-wash-article)
+ (article . nnweb-gnu-wash-article)
(reference . identity)
- (map . nnweb-google-create-mapping)
- (search . nnweb-google-search)
+ (map . nnweb-gnu-create-mapping)
+ (search . nnweb-gnu-search)
(address . "https://groups.google.com/groups")
(base . "https://groups.google.com")
- (identifier . nnweb-google-identity)))
+ (identifier . nnweb-gnu-identity)))
"Type-definition alist.")
(defvoo nnweb-search nil
- "Search string to feed to Google.")
+ "Search string to feed.")
(defvoo nnweb-max-hits 999
"Maximum number of hits to display.")
@@ -281,41 +281,30 @@ nnweb-init
(current-buffer)))))
;;;
-;;; groups.google.com
+;;; lists.gnu.org
;;;
-(defun nnweb-google-wash-article ()
- ;; We have Google's masked e-mail addresses here. :-/
- (let ((case-fold-search t)
- (start-re "<pre>[\r\n ]*")
- (end-re "[\r\n ]*</pre>"))
+(defun nnweb-gnu-wash-article ()
+ (let ((case-fold-search t) headers)
(goto-char (point-min))
- (if (save-excursion
- (or (re-search-forward "The requested message.*could not be found."
- nil t)
- (not (and (re-search-forward start-re nil t)
- (re-search-forward end-re nil t)))))
- ;; FIXME: Don't know how to indicate "not found".
- ;; Should this function throw an error? --rsteib
- (progn
- (gnus-message 3 "Requested article not found")
- (erase-buffer))
- (delete-region (point-min)
- (re-search-forward start-re))
+ (with-restriction (point-min) (search-forward "<!--X-Body-of-Message-=
->" nil t)
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-region (progn
- (re-search-forward end-re)
- (match-beginning 0))
- (point-max))
- (mm-url-decode-entities))))
-
-(defun nnweb-google-parse-1 (&optional Message-ID)
+ (while (re-search-forward "<!--X-\\(.*\\) -->" nil t)
+ (setq headers (concat headers (match-string 1) "\n")))
+ (delete-region (point-min) (point-max))
+ (insert headers))
+ (goto-char (point-max))
+ (delete-region (search-backward "<!--X-Body-of-Message-End-->" nil t)=
(point-max))
+ (mm-url-remove-markup)
+ (mm-url-decode-entities)))
+
+(defun nnweb-gnu-parse-1 (&optional Message-ID)
"Parse search result in current buffer."
(let ((i 0)
(case-fold-search t)
(active (cadr (assoc nnweb-group nnweb-group-alist)))
Subject Date Newsgroups From
- map url mid)
+ map url mid link)
(unless active
(push (list nnweb-group (setq active (cons 1 0)))
nnweb-group-alist))
@@ -323,39 +312,34 @@ nnweb-google-parse-1
(goto-char (point-min))
(while
(re-search-forward
- "a +href=3D\"/group/\\([^>\"]+\\)/browse_thread/[^>]+#\\([0-9a-f]+\\)"
+ "<a +href=3D\"/archive/html/\\([^/]+\\)/\\([0-9-]+/msg[0-9]+\\)\\.html\=
">"
nil t)
- (setq Newsgroups (match-string-no-properties 1)
- ;; Note: Starting with Google Groups 2, `mid' is a Google-internal
- ;; ID, not a proper Message-ID.
+ (setq link (match-string-no-properties 0)
+ Newsgroups (match-string-no-properties 1)
+ ;; `mid' is not a proper Message-ID.
mid (match-string-no-properties 2)
url (format
(nnweb-definition 'result) Newsgroups mid))
- (narrow-to-region (search-forward ">" nil t)
+ (narrow-to-region (point)
(search-forward "</a>" nil t))
(mm-url-remove-markup)
(mm-url-decode-entities)
+ (replace-string "\n" "")
(setq Subject (buffer-string))
(goto-char (point-max))
(widen)
(narrow-to-region (point)
- (search-forward "</table" nil t))
+ (search-forward link nil t))
(mm-url-remove-markup)
(mm-url-decode-entities)
(goto-char (point-max))
(when
(re-search-backward
- "^\\(?:\\(\\w+\\) \\([0-9]+\\)\\|\\S-+\\)\\(?: \\([0-9]\\{4\\}\\)\\)=
? by ?\\(.*\\)"
+ "^Author: \\(.*\\)\nDate: \\(.*\\)"
nil t)
- (setq Date (if (match-string 1)
- (format "%s %s 00:00:00 %s"
- (match-string 1)
- (match-string 2)
- (or (match-string 3)
- (format-time-string "%Y")))
- (current-time-string)))
- (setq From (match-string 4)))
+ (setq Date (match-string-no-properties 2))
+ (setq From (match-string-no-properties 1)))
(widen)
(cl-incf i)
(unless (nnweb-get-hashtb url)
@@ -363,73 +347,71 @@ nnweb-google-parse-1
(list
(cl-incf (cdr active))
(make-full-mail-header
- (cdr active) (if Newsgroups
- (concat "(" Newsgroups ") " Subject)
- Subject)
- From Date (or Message-ID mid)
+ (cdr active) Subject
+ From Date (or Message-ID (concat Newsgroups "/" mid))
nil 0 0 url))
map)
(nnweb-set-hashtb (cadar map) (car map))))
map))
-(defun nnweb-google-reference (id)
- (let ((map (nnweb-google-parse-1 id)) header)
+(defun nnweb-gnu-reference (id)
+ (let ((map (nnweb-gnu-parse-1 id)) header)
(setq nnweb-articles
(nconc nnweb-articles map))
(when (setq header (cadar map))
(mm-url-insert (mail-header-xref header))
(caar map))))
-(defun nnweb-google-create-mapping ()
+(defun nnweb-gnu-create-mapping ()
"Perform the search and create a number-to-url alist."
(with-current-buffer nnweb-buffer
(erase-buffer)
- (nnheader-message 7 "Searching google...")
+ (nnheader-message 7 "Searching...")
(when (funcall (nnweb-definition 'search) nnweb-search)
- (let ((more t)
- (i 0))
+ (let ((more 0)
+ (i 0)
+ link)
(while more
(setq nnweb-articles
- (nconc nnweb-articles (nnweb-google-parse-1)))
+ (nconc nnweb-articles (nnweb-gnu-parse-1)))
;; Check if there are more articles to fetch
(goto-char (point-min))
(cl-incf i 100)
(if (or (not (re-search-forward
- "<a [^>]+href=3D\"\n?\\([^>\" \n\t]+\\)[^<]*<img[^>]+src=3D[^>]+next=
"
+ (format "<a +href=3D\"\\(/archive/cgi-bin/namaz=
u.cgi?[^>]+&whence=3D%s\\)\"" (+ more 20))
nil t))
(>=3D i nnweb-max-hits))
(setq more nil)
;; Yup, there are more articles
- (setq more (concat (nnweb-definition 'base) (match-string 1)))
+ (setq more (+ more 20)
+ link (mm-url-decode-entities-string (match-string 1))=
)
(when more
(erase-buffer)
- (nnheader-message 7 "Searching google...(%d)" i)
- (mm-url-insert more))))
+ (nnheader-message 7 "Searching...(%d)" i)
+ (mm-url-insert (concat (nnweb-definition 'base) link)))))
;; Return the articles in the right order.
- (nnheader-message 7 "Searching google...done")
+ (nnheader-message 7 "Searching...done")
(setq nnweb-articles
(sort nnweb-articles #'car-less-than-car))))))
-(defun nnweb-google-search (search)
+(defun nnweb-gnu-search (search)
(mm-url-insert
(concat
(nnweb-definition 'address)
"?"
(mm-url-encode-www-form-urlencoded
- `(("q" . ,search)
- ("num" . ,(number-to-string
- (min 100 nnweb-max-hits)))
- ("hq" . "")
- ("hl" . "en")
- ("lr" . "")
- ("safe" . "off")
- ("sites" . "groups")
- ("filter" . "0")))))
+ `(("idxname" . "help-gnu-emacs")
+ ("sort" . "score")
+ ("result" . "normal")
+ ("max" . ,(number-to-string
+ (min 20 nnweb-max-hits)))
+ ("submit" . "Search!")
+ ("query" . ,search)))))
t)
-(defun nnweb-google-identity (url)
+(defun nnweb-gnu-identity (url)
"Return a unique identifier based on URL."
- (if (string-match "selm=3D\\([^ &>]+\\)" url)
+ (if (string-match "archive/html/\\(.*\\)\\.html" url)
(match-string 1 url)
url))
--=-=-=
Content-Type: text/plain
The help-gnu-emacs is only illustrative: may be replaced with the name
of any of the GNU mailing lists. May be tested by:
G w emacs-help RET <unique string> RET
Further work could involve gnus-summary-refer-thread working with a new
'gnus-search-web' for the related messages of a search result. Also,
with customization, as a search and gnus-refer-article-method for users
of public-inbox (public-inbox.org).
Regards,
James
--=-=-=--
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Although the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas, continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather than obsoleting it. Best, Andy -- Andrew Cohen
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Full text available.Received: (at 76196) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2025 13:10:06 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 11 08:10:05 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1thq1c-00014P-MH for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:10:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1thq1Z-00013W-4B for 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:10:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1thq1S-00073q-T9; Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:09:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=khZaJ9bDK3pcKv4dD+CFyYsH7cS3M3lLVliSq+4vi6M=; b=JrjGUSMMJo8a bGneBEwujIFgLLxyLhYAhJNgXctDvYvNjppPqSpPnA/eKT0eaajeq+vo5No7DlfFYpHh2u8PbHXDy LE2qgUOPxEg7sUylLO9dDq1iTVXljwKd4jhfgv85ZBuP8kfhryQWsYLZX07oG+P9Kmmh6Fksiqt7M A0Gk02/DJb5zCJANQnPfoaLfBssHwrd2jkV7dR12rmty7uz+pjODX86u5m7tzn2UHJUlmpzQCgKxq vQvwd93C9eQcppAHSjXT8YCFLPgepRXmzjUuxjzZkQcczzYZosVnZWXRMXA0ciNcK55RB2Zlb1DmN JzFzCNY2zUm2AsgcLL581A==; Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 15:09:43 +0200 Message-Id: <864j10y6eg.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>, Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN>, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnAxjUbRwhS9zRTHcJ-QV1d=DJ+xG2ng22AnDO6xOETSw@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Kangas on Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:57:09 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el References: <CADwFkmnAxjUbRwhS9zRTHcJ-QV1d=DJ+xG2ng22AnDO6xOETSw@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76196 Cc: 76196 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:57:09 -0800 > > Severity: wishlist > > The nnweb backend for Gnus is currently of rather limited use: it only > supports Google Groups, which is defunct. They seem to have > discontinued their Usenet archive service in February 2024, according to > Wikipedia.[1] > > I also get 404 and 400 for the provided URLs in `nnweb-type-definition`. > > I suggest that we either find and implement support for a replacement > for Google Groups, or otherwise that we mark it as obsolete. Having > clearly broken functionality around does not serve users. > > Footnotes: > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups Let's at least include the Gnus developers in this discussion.
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Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:57:09 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:57:09 -0800 X-Gm-Features: AWEUYZlr_vp1oN42iB3eoqwjjjrI3gdrrJc_FTwYeRmxKdD6myDtIn8tvkSw-8o Message-ID: <CADwFkmnAxjUbRwhS9zRTHcJ-QV1d=DJ+xG2ng22AnDO6xOETSw@HIDDEN> Subject: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::62a; envelope-from=stefankangas@HIDDEN; helo=mail-ej1-x62a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Severity: wishlist The nnweb backend for Gnus is currently of rather limited use: it only supports Google Groups, which is defunct. They seem to have discontinued their Usenet archive service in February 2024, according to Wikipedia.[1] I also get 404 and 400 for the provided URLs in `nnweb-type-definition`. I suggest that we either find and implement support for a replacement for Google Groups, or otherwise that we mark it as obsolete. Having clearly broken functionality around does not serve users. Footnotes: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups
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