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Thanks for thoroughly checking.
>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 16:05:03 +0530, Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN> s=
aid:
> Visuwesh> -deletes the button."
> Visuwesh> +deletes the button.
> Visuwesh> +
> Visuwesh> +If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we=
recommend to
> Visuwesh> +use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides tab-=
specific
> Visuwesh> +window configuration history, and is better behaved when `=
tab-bar-mode'
> Visuwesh> +is turned on."
>
> "we recommend using"
>
> Visuwesh> :global t
> Visuwesh> ;; It's defined in C/cus-start, this stops the d-m-m mac=
ro defining it again.
> Visuwesh> :variable tab-bar-mode
> Visuwesh> diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el
> Visuwesh> index e56ddf92965..e56e7268727 100644
> Visuwesh> --- a/lisp/winner.el
> Visuwesh> +++ b/lisp/winner.el
> Visuwesh> @@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode
> Visuwesh> into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using =
the
> Visuwesh> command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to th=
e key
> Visuwesh> sequence \\`C-c <left>'. If you change your mind (while u=
ndoing),
> Visuwesh> -you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo')."
> Visuwesh> +you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo').
> Visuwesh> +
> Visuwesh> +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history=
-mode' as
>
> and here we could put a comma before "as"
I've left this part out since I feel the sentence has a different
meaning with this comma.
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From 9e545b047aabeac04b48ca9d3fe6bc592abe418e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530
Subject: [PATCH] Recommend 'tab-bar-history-mode' over 'winner-mode'
* lisp/winner.el (winner-mode):
* lisp/tab-bar.el (tab-bar-mode): Update the docstring to
suggest 'tab-bar-history-mode' instead of 'winner-mode' when
using 'tab-bar-mode' instead. (Bug#76439)
---
lisp/tab-bar.el | 7 ++++++-
lisp/winner.el | 8 +++++++-
2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/tab-bar.el b/lisp/tab-bar.el
index 2a6137f527f..9d804c4ed28 100644
--- a/lisp/tab-bar.el
+++ b/lisp/tab-bar.el
@@ -291,7 +291,12 @@ tab-bar-mode
See `current-window-configuration' for more about window configurations.
To add a button (which can then record one more window configuration),
click on the \"+\" button. Clicking on the \"x\" icon of a button
-deletes the button."
+deletes the button.
+
+If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend
+using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific
+window configuration history, and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode'
+is turned on."
:global t
;; It's defined in C/cus-start, this stops the d-m-m macro defining it again.
:variable tab-bar-mode
diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el
index e56ddf92965..67d8b2d6049 100644
--- a/lisp/winner.el
+++ b/lisp/winner.el
@@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode
into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the
command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key
sequence \\`C-c <left>'. If you change your mind (while undoing),
-you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo')."
+you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo').
+
+If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as
+`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and might turn the window
+configuration of the current tab to another's (old) window
+configuration. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides tab-specific window
+configuration history avoiding this problem."
:global t
(if winner-mode
(progn
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Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in
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>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 16:05:03 +0530, Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN> said:
Visuwesh> -deletes the button."
Visuwesh> +deletes the button.
Visuwesh> +
Visuwesh> +If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend to
Visuwesh> +use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific
Visuwesh> +window configuration history, and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode'
Visuwesh> +is turned on."
"we recommend using"
Visuwesh> :global t
Visuwesh> ;; It's defined in C/cus-start, this stops the d-m-m macro defining it again.
Visuwesh> :variable tab-bar-mode
Visuwesh> diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el
Visuwesh> index e56ddf92965..e56e7268727 100644
Visuwesh> --- a/lisp/winner.el
Visuwesh> +++ b/lisp/winner.el
Visuwesh> @@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode
Visuwesh> into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the
Visuwesh> command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key
Visuwesh> sequence \\`C-c <left>'. If you change your mind (while undoing),
Visuwesh> -you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo')."
Visuwesh> +you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo').
Visuwesh> +
Visuwesh> +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as
and here we could put a comma before "as"
Visuwesh> +`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching and might turn the window
and before "and"
Visuwesh> +configuration of the current tab to another's (old) window
Visuwesh> +configuration. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides tab-specific window
Visuwesh> +configuration history avoiding this problem."
Visuwesh> :global t
Visuwesh> (if winner-mode
Visuwesh> (progn
Robert
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That's a concept for dramatic reading, and has nothing to do with proper grammar. On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 5:36=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN> wrot= e: > [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE= =BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Robert = Pluim wrote: > > >>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:46:47 +0530, Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN> > said: > > > > Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justificatio= n > of the > > Stephen> recommendation. > > > > Visuwesh> Are you supposed to have a comma before since? In any > case, is the > > Visuwesh> grammar of > > > > Contrast: > > > > It=CA=BCs not mandatory but since the sentence is long it=CA=BCs ni= ce to > > provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally. > > > > with putting commas between the clauses: > > > > It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs = nice to > > provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally. > > > > The following would be excessive (also known as "Shatner-mode"): > > > > It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but, since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs= nice to > > provide the comma, in order to allow the reader to pause, mentally. > > > > In short: the comma before "since" works well. > > Right, thanks for the hint. I was using commas excessively at one point > in time, but that got me some comments which ended me here... > [ One of these days, I should finish reading The Elements of Style. ] > > > Visuwesh> If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with > `winner-mode', we recommend > > Visuwesh> using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it > provides tab-specific > > Visuwesh> window configuration history, and is better behaved > when > > Visuwesh> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. > > > > Visuwesh> correct? > > > > >> That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out = of > favour, > > >> since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it. > > > > Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put the semicolon. It > falling out of > > Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty of examples unless you'r= e > reading > > Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose. > > > > Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99= =82 > > Wasn't there a distinction between a "short" and a "long" pause? > Something about short clauses? > > In any case, how about the attached? > > --0000000000005c300d062ea49ca1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">In prose, there are no such things as short and long pauses.=C2=A0 That&= #39;s a concept for dramatic reading, and has nothing to do with proper gra= mmar.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 5:36=E2=80=AFAM Vi= suwesh <<a href=3D"mailto:visuweshm@HIDDEN">visuweshm@HIDDEN</a>&g= t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p= x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">[=E0= =AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF=E0= =AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Robert Pluim = wrote:<br> <br> >>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:46:47 +0530, Visuwesh <<= a href=3D"mailto:visuweshm@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">visuweshm@HIDDEN= </a>> said:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides&quo= t;, since it's a justification of the<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephen> recommendation.<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> Are you supposed to have a comma befor= e since?=C2=A0 In any case, is the<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> grammar of<br> ><br> > Contrast:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It=CA=BCs not mandatory but since the sentence is l= ong it=CA=BCs nice to<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provide the comma in order to allow the reader to p= ause mentally.<br> ><br> > with putting commas between the clauses:<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but since the sentence is = long, it=CA=BCs nice to<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provide the comma in order to allow the reader to p= ause mentally.<br> ><br> > The following would be excessive (also known as "Shatner-mode&quo= t;):<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but, since the sentence is= long, it=CA=BCs nice to<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provide the comma, in order to allow the reader to = pause, mentally.<br> ><br> > In short: the comma before "since" works well.<br> <br> Right, thanks for the hint.=C2=A0 I was using commas excessively at one poi= nt<br> in time, but that got me some comments which ended me here...<br> [ One of these days, I should finish reading The Elements of Style.=C2=A0 ]= <br> <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you intend to us= e `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0using `tab-bar-hist= ory-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0window configuratio= n history, and is better behaved when<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0`tab-bar-mode' = is turned on.<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> correct?<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that usi= ng ';' is falling out of favour,<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> since allegedly the youth of today don=CA= =BCt understand it.<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put = the semicolon.=C2=A0 It falling out of<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty o= f examples unless you're reading<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose.<br> ><br> > Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99= =82<br> <br> Wasn't there a distinction between a "short" and a "long= " pause?<br> Something about short clauses?<br> <br> In any case, how about the attached?<br> <br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000005c300d062ea49ca1--
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It > falling out of > Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty of examples unless you're > reading > Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose. > > Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99=82 > Native English writer here. This is not quite the case. Proper semicolon use is to glue together _independent_ clauses; [correct use] comma use is to glue together _dependent_ clauses. An independent clause would be one that could itself be a sentence. Comma use is also handy to avoid ambiguity among items, [correct use] and to provide clarity. A semicolon can also be used to separate multiple comma-separated lists. --000000000000b19b1f062ea4969c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 5:30=E2=80=AFAM Robert Pluim <<a href=3D"mailto:= rpluim@HIDDEN">rpluim@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"= style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p= adding-left:1ex">>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:46:47 +0530, V= isuwesh <<a href=3D"mailto:visuweshm@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">visuwe= shm@HIDDEN</a>> said:<br> <br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put the se= micolon.=C2=A0 It falling out of<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty of examples= unless you're reading<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose.<br> <br> Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99=82<b= r></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa= mily:monospace">Native English writer here.=C2=A0 This is not quite the cas= e.=C2=A0 Proper semicolon use is to glue together _independent_ clauses; [c= orrect use] comma use is to glue together _dependent_ clauses.=C2=A0 An ind= ependent=C2=A0clause=C2=A0would be one that could itself be a sentence.=C2= =A0 Comma use is also handy to avoid ambiguity among items, [correct use] a= nd to provide clarity.=C2=A0 A semicolon can also be used to separate multi= ple comma-separated lists.</div></div></div> --000000000000b19b1f062ea4969c--
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Pluim wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:46:47 +0530, Visuwesh said: >
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> Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justification =
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> Stephen> recommendation.
>
> Visuwesh> Are you supposed to have a comma before since? In any case=
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> Visuwesh> grammar of
>
> Contrast:
>
> It=CA=BCs not mandatory but since the sentence is long it=CA=BCs nice=
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> provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally.
>
> with putting commas between the clauses:
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> It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs ni=
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> provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally.
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> provide the comma, in order to allow the reader to pause, mentally.
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> In short: the comma before "since" works well.
Right, thanks for the hint. I was using commas excessively at one point
in time, but that got me some comments which ended me here...
[ One of these days, I should finish reading The Elements of Style. ]
> Visuwesh> If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode',=
we recommend
> Visuwesh> using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides=
tab-specific
> Visuwesh> window configuration history, and is better behaved when
> Visuwesh> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on.
>
> Visuwesh> correct?
>
> >> That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out of=
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> >> since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it.
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> Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put the semicolon. It fa=
lling out of
> Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty of examples unless you're =
reading
> Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose.
>
> Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99=82
Wasn't there a distinction between a "short" and a "long" pause?
Something about short clauses?
In any case, how about the attached?
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From 110d36dad07e3205e3591f98b584127d2d253042 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530
Subject: [PATCH] Recommend 'tab-bar-history-mode' over 'winner-mode'
* lisp/winner.el (winner-mode):
* lisp/tab-bar.el (tab-bar-mode): Update the docstring to
suggest 'tab-bar-history-mode' instead of 'winner-mode' when
using 'tab-bar-mode' instead. (Bug#76439)
---
lisp/tab-bar.el | 7 ++++++-
lisp/winner.el | 8 +++++++-
2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/tab-bar.el b/lisp/tab-bar.el
index 2a6137f527f..d428350c9b1 100644
--- a/lisp/tab-bar.el
+++ b/lisp/tab-bar.el
@@ -291,7 +291,12 @@ tab-bar-mode
See `current-window-configuration' for more about window configurations.
To add a button (which can then record one more window configuration),
click on the \"+\" button. Clicking on the \"x\" icon of a button
-deletes the button."
+deletes the button.
+
+If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend to
+use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific
+window configuration history, and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode'
+is turned on."
:global t
;; It's defined in C/cus-start, this stops the d-m-m macro defining it again.
:variable tab-bar-mode
diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el
index e56ddf92965..e56e7268727 100644
--- a/lisp/winner.el
+++ b/lisp/winner.el
@@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode
into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the
command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key
sequence \\`C-c <left>'. If you change your mind (while undoing),
-you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo')."
+you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo').
+
+If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as
+`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching and might turn the window
+configuration of the current tab to another's (old) window
+configuration. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides tab-specific window
+configuration history avoiding this problem."
:global t
(if winner-mode
(progn
--
2.47.2
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Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justification of=
the
Stephen> recommendation.
Visuwesh> Are you supposed to have a comma before since? In any case, =
is the
Visuwesh> grammar of
Contrast:
It=CA=BCs not mandatory but since the sentence is long it=CA=BCs nice to
provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally.
with putting commas between the clauses:
It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs nice=
to
provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally.
The following would be excessive (also known as "Shatner-mode"):
It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but, since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs nic=
e to
provide the comma, in order to allow the reader to pause, mentally.
In short: the comma before "since" works well.
Visuwesh> If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', w=
e recommend
Visuwesh> using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides t=
ab-specific
Visuwesh> window configuration history, and is better behaved when
Visuwesh> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on.
Visuwesh> correct?
>> That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out of f=
avour,
>> since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it.
Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put the semicolon. It fall=
ing out of
Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty of examples unless you're re=
ading
Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose.
Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99=82
Robert
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rg> said:
> >> >>=20
> >> >> If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we reco=
mmend
> >> >> to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead which provides tab-specif=
ic
> >> >> window configuration history and is better behaved when
> >> >> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on.
> >> >>=20
> >> >> ?
> >>=20
> Eli> SGTM, thanks.
> >>=20
> >> Grammar/gerund alert:
I never understood what a gerund is because I missed that English class
because I was sick that day. C:
[ The text book definition was too opaque and I couldn't solve the
exercises to save myself, and I never bothered to ask my teacher what
the hell it meant. ]
> >> If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recomme=
nd
>
> Stephen> s/indent/intend/
>
> The golden rule of grammar discussion is that there will be spelling
> mistakes (and vice-versa) =F0=9F=98=89
Thankfully I fixed in the next iteration of the patch. ;-)
> >> using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which provides tab-specific
> >> window configuration history, and is better behaved when
> >> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on.
> >>=20
> >> (I=CA=BCd even be tempted to use ';' instead of the second ',', an=
d replace
> >> 'which' with 'it')
>
> Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justification =
of the
> Stephen> recommendation.
Are you supposed to have a comma before since? In any case, is the
grammar of
If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend
using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific
window configuration history, and is better behaved when
`tab-bar-mode' is turned on.
correct?
> That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out of favour,
> since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it.
It is hard to figure out where to put the semicolon. It falling out of
favour means there aren't plenty of examples unless you're reading
Victorian novels I suppose.
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>> >> to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead which provides tab-specific
>> >> window configuration history and is better behaved when
>> >> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on.
>> >>=20
>> >> ?
>>=20
Eli> SGTM, thanks.
>>=20
>> Grammar/gerund alert:
>>=20
>> If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend
Stephen> s/indent/intend/
The golden rule of grammar discussion is that there will be spelling
mistakes (and vice-versa) =F0=9F=98=89
>> using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which provides tab-specific
>> window configuration history, and is better behaved when
>> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on.
>>=20
>> (I=CA=BCd even be tempted to use ';' instead of the second ',', and =
replace
>> 'which' with 'it')
Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justification of=
the
Stephen> recommendation.
That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out of favour,
since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it.
Robert
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Eli> SGTM, thanks.
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To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in
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kii wrote:
>> The "can replace both" is a bit confusing as I am not sure what the
>> second item in "both" refers to. What about
>>=20
>> If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend
>> to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead which provides tab-specific
>> window configuration history and is better behaved when
>> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on.
>>=20
>> ?
>
> SGTM, thanks.
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From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530
Subject: [PATCH] Recommend 'tab-bar-history-mode' over 'winner-mode'
* lisp/winner.el (winner-mode):
* lisp/tab-bar.el (tab-bar-mode): Update the docstring to
suggest 'tab-bar-history-mode' instead of 'winner-mode' when
using 'tab-bar-mode' instead. (Bug#76439)
---
lisp/tab-bar.el | 7 ++++++-
lisp/winner.el | 8 +++++++-
2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/tab-bar.el b/lisp/tab-bar.el
index 2a6137f527f..042291e4e59 100644
--- a/lisp/tab-bar.el
+++ b/lisp/tab-bar.el
@@ -291,7 +291,12 @@ tab-bar-mode
See `current-window-configuration' for more about window configurations.
To add a button (which can then record one more window configuration),
click on the \"+\" button. Clicking on the \"x\" icon of a button
-deletes the button."
+deletes the button.
+
+If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend to
+use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead which provides tab-specific window
+configuration history and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode' is
+turned on."
:global t
;; It's defined in C/cus-start, this stops the d-m-m macro defining it again.
:variable tab-bar-mode
diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el
index e56ddf92965..e56e7268727 100644
--- a/lisp/winner.el
+++ b/lisp/winner.el
@@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode
into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the
command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key
sequence \\`C-c <left>'. If you change your mind (while undoing),
-you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo')."
+you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo').
+
+If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as
+`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching and might turn the window
+configuration of the current tab to another's (old) window
+configuration. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides tab-specific window
+configuration history avoiding this problem."
:global t
(if winner-mode
(progn
--
2.47.2
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>> Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, 76439 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 23:11:21 +0530
>>=20
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>>=20
>> >> > In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited to winner, th=
en
>> >> > the reference you want to add should at least hint on why it is bet=
ter
>> >> > suited.
>> >>=20
>> >> How about the attached?
>> >
>> > Much better, thanks.
>> >
>> > Perhaps also make some similar change in the doc string of
>> > tab-bar-mode?
>>=20
>> Would
>>=20
>> Use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead of `winner-mode' to obtain
>> tab-specific window configuration history.
>>=20
>> be fine?
>
> I thought of something like
>
> If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend
> to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which can replace both.
>
> (assuming I understood what you wanted to say).
The "can replace both" is a bit confusing as I am not sure what the
second item in "both" refers to. What about
If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend
to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead which provides tab-specific
window configuration history and is better behaved when
`tab-bar-mode' is turned on.
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Full text available.Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2025 19:32:27 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 20 14:32:26 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41475 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tlCHZ-0004B0-Lx for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 14:32:26 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tlCHW-00049x-QU for 76439 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 14:32:23 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tlCHR-00042G-17; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 14:32:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=n8YGVbwXLeMF8QFHXParVj+cYJh4Og7kELZr+RxQtdA=; b=hFbfDD4cNKRDkhrpx2GP RXh03FCi7QHhGH9vZJuO3/XEx2wQf71zAD84/fYKc0IDrrAPke2+tViVc7GhsbQEznTCFCkX/67fq ZeNZANDvoP+nZBec7A7WeSLhIqUf2qRYSOBS2DofhrTl+9NzbyHJbdwuZEIP4A+IgTIZj0yqtpFhe fb/3mQ4lO7rocHRR0jiGGh6Hs+Olmzs0/SoqDiplduhCABlQxPgx/cS9pX7s0CZIvFfRe74D1Gxpl /qoFglTFCqHOSVOYI/sPgS8ujqxFGTAmG/l60YyzZZEeipicpMMbPpdnc6/hO+AhkR8byuf5EJGQW OHJ2AGZJlE2lOw==; Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 21:32:11 +0200 Message-Id: <86ldu02z0k.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87tt8owm2m.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Visuwesh on Thu, 20 Feb 2025 23:11:21 +0530) Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wmdk35p6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y0y0wn4d.fsf@HIDDEN> <86mseg34nb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt8owm2m.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: 76439 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN> > Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, 76439 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 23:11:21 +0530 > > [வியாழன் பிப்ரவரி 20, 2025] Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> > In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited to winner, then > >> > the reference you want to add should at least hint on why it is better > >> > suited. > >> > >> How about the attached? > > > > Much better, thanks. > > > > Perhaps also make some similar change in the doc string of > > tab-bar-mode? > > Would > > Use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead of `winner-mode' to obtain > tab-specific window configuration history. > > be fine? I thought of something like If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which can replace both. (assuming I understood what you wanted to say).
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Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited
to winner, then >> > the reference you want to add should at least hint on
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li Zaretskii wrote:
>> > In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited to winner, then
>> > the reference you want to add should at least hint on why it is better
>> > suited.
>>=20
>> How about the attached?
>
> Much better, thanks.
>
> Perhaps also make some similar change in the doc string of
> tab-bar-mode?
Would
Use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead of `winner-mode' to obtain
tab-specific window configuration history.
be fine?
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Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in
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>> From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:21:28 +0530
>>=20
>> Attached patch suggests to use tab-bar-history-mode when using
>> tab-bar-mode instead. winner-mode interacts quite badly with
>> tab-bar-mode and it took me sometime to discover tab-bar-history-mode
>> when I started using winner-mode initially. Mentioning it in
>> winner-mode's would help its discoverability I hope.
>
> Should we instead try to fix winner (and maybe also tab-bar-mode) to
> avoid these problems?
It would essentially involve writing tab-bar-history-mode anew to
certain extent AFAIU. I wanted to head down this path until I realised
tab-bar-history-mode does everything winner while taking into account
tab-bar-mode.
> In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited to winner, then
> the reference you want to add should at least hint on why it is better
> suited.
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From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530
Subject: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring
* lisp/winner.el (winner-mode): Update the docstring to suggest
'tab-bar-history-mode' when using 'tab-bar-mode' instead. (Bug#76439)
---
lisp/winner.el | 8 +++++++-
1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el
index e56ddf92965..e56e7268727 100644
--- a/lisp/winner.el
+++ b/lisp/winner.el
@@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode
into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the
command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key
sequence \\`C-c <left>'. If you change your mind (while undoing),
-you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo')."
+you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo').
+
+If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as
+`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching and might turn the window
+configuration of the current tab to another's (old) window
+configuration. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides tab-specific window
+configuration history avoiding this problem."
:global t
(if winner-mode
(progn
--
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Attached patch suggests to use tab-bar-history-mode when using
tab-bar-mode instead. winner-mode interacts quite badly with
tab-bar-mode and it took me sometime to discover tab-bar-history-mode
when I started using winner-mode initially. Mentioning it in
winner-mode's would help its discoverability I hope.
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From 0007e61ff7a4b1cff0837f6bb5138a236511a81f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530
Subject: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring
* lisp/winner.el (winner-mode): Update the docstring to suggest
'tab-bar-history-mode' when using 'tab-bar-mode' instead.
---
lisp/winner.el | 5 ++++-
1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el
index e56ddf92965..eacb9c16031 100644
--- a/lisp/winner.el
+++ b/lisp/winner.el
@@ -345,7 +345,10 @@ winner-mode
into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the
command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key
sequence \\`C-c <left>'. If you change your mind (while undoing),
-you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo')."
+you can press \\`C-c <right>' (calling `winner-redo').
+
+If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider turning on `tab-bar-history-mode'
+instead which provides tab-specific window configuration history."
:global t
(if winner-mode
(progn
--
2.47.2
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