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Full text available.Received: (at 76527) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2025 21:09:53 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 24 16:09:53 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42981 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tmfi5-0002dz-FE for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Feb 2025 16:09:53 -0500 Received: from frenzy.freefriends.org ([198.99.81.75]:36316 helo=freefriends.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <karl@HIDDEN>) id 1tmfi2-0002di-LI for 76527 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Feb 2025 16:09:51 -0500 X-Envelope-From: karl@HIDDEN Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 51OL9Hp21115899 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:09:18 -0700 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.16.1/8.14.7/Submit) id 51OL9HLt1115898; Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:09:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:09:17 -0700 Message-Id: <202502242109.51OL9HLt1115898@HIDDEN> From: Karl Berry <karl@HIDDEN> To: rrt@HIDDEN Subject: Re: bug#76527: "make distcheck" broken in non-recursive build systems using Vala support In-Reply-To: <CAOnWdoh9NHxFYNUOp_YFoRNWxr-1wwayM9YvSoaX23STeUxxqQ@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76527 Cc: 76527 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Thanks for the report, Reuben. I'll mark it as confirmed+needs help, so it can stay open and people looking for something stray to work on might find it. Like you, I'm content for it to stay open until there is further demand. --best, karl.
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charset="UTF-8" See commit 73f5ca3a of Zile: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/zile.git/commit/ Also see https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?66843 "make dist" works, but "make distcheck" fails as Vala-generated C files remain in the out-of-tree build directory. I have not worked out why, but it seems that the rule that should copy the file from the top directory into the sub-directory does not fire. (The Vala compiler is not terribly sympathetic to non-recursive build systems either, so we generate complicated Makefile rules to work around it.) I don't think this is a serious problem, as a) not many people use Vala, and b) not many people use non-recursive build systems; also, c) Vala itself recommends the use of Meson these days. Hence, consider this a placeholder bug for now. If there is demand to fix it, I might be able to find time to look into it further. My own plan, should I need to make another release of Zile (the last release was nearly 4 years ago, and there's little chance of a significant change requiring an update), is to just run "make dist" if it's a minor fix, or to switch back to a recursive build system. (Incidentally, I am using Vala with automake on various other projects, all using single-directory or recursive build systems, and it works fine, including, I discovered last week, using the TAP support in Automake to run Vala's GLib-based test suites. Using Vala & GLib obviates the use of bootstrap+gnulib, which makes builds quite fast enough for my purposes, while still benefitting from the familiarity, power and flexibility of the autotools.) -- https://rrt.sc3d.org --000000000000a69cdc062ee71228 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;= font-size:small" class=3D"gmail_default">See commit 73f5ca3a of Zile: <a hr= ef=3D"https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/zile.git/commit/">https://git.savan= nah.gnu.org/cgit/zile.git/commit/</a></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,= helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><di= v style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=3D= "gmail_default">Also see <a href=3D"https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php= ?66843">https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?66843</a></div><div style= =3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=3D"gmail_= default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;fon= t-size:small" class=3D"gmail_default">"make dist" works, but &quo= t;make distcheck" fails as Vala-generated C files remain in the out-of= -tree build directory.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-= serif;font-size:small" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font= -family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=3D"gmail_default"= >I have not worked out why, but it seems that the rule that should copy the= file from the top directory into the sub-directory does not fire. (The Val= a compiler is not terribly sympathetic to non-recursive build systems eithe= r, so we generate complicated Makefile rules to work around it.)<br></div><= div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class= =3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans= -serif;font-size:small" class=3D"gmail_default">I don't think this is a= serious problem, as a) not many people use Vala, and b) not many people us= e non-recursive build systems; also, c) Vala itself recommends the use of M= eson these days.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;= font-size:small" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-famil= y:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=3D"gmail_default">Hence= , consider this a placeholder bug for now. If there is demand to fix it, I = might be able to find time to look into it further.</div><div style=3D"font= -family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=3D"gmail_default"= ><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:s= mall" class=3D"gmail_default">My own plan, should I need to make another re= lease of Zile (the last release was nearly 4 years ago, and there's lit= tle chance of a significant change requiring an update), is to just run &qu= ot;make dist" if it's a minor fix, or to switch back to a recursiv= e build system.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-famil= y:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=3D"gmail_default">(Inci= dentally, I am using Vala with automake on various other projects, all usin= g single-directory or recursive build systems, and it works fine, including= , I discovered last week, using the TAP support in Automake to run Vala'= ;s GLib-based test suites. Using Vala & GLib obviates the use of bootst= rap+gnulib, which makes builds quite fast enough for my purposes, while sti= ll benefitting from the familiarity, power and flexibility of the autotools= .)<br></div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br>= <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signatur= e"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://rrt.sc3d.org" = target=3D"_blank">https://rrt.sc3d.org</a></div></div></div></div></div> --000000000000a69cdc062ee71228--
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