GNU bug report logs - #76685
30.1; custom--inhibit-theme-enable

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Package: emacs; Reported by: João Guerra <joca.bt@HIDDEN>; Keywords: patch; Done: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
bug marked as fixed in version 31.1, send any further explanations to 76685 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and João Guerra <joca.bt@HIDDEN> Request was from Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.

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close 76685 31.1
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On 9/3/25 07:24, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
 >> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:47:20 -0300
 >> Cc: joca.bt@HIDDEN, 76685 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
 >> From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>
 >>
 >>  > Since this has user-facing aspects, I think the effects of this 
change
 >>  > should be called out in NEWS.
 >>
 >> Makes sense.  Here's an updated patch.
 >
 > Thanks, LGTM.

Thanks.  I installed the patch, and with that I'm closing this bug
report.





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> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:47:20 -0300
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>  > Since this has user-facing aspects, I think the effects of this change
>  > should be called out in NEWS.
> 
> Makes sense.  Here's an updated patch.

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On 7/3/25 08:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
 >> Cc: 76685 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
 >> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 06:26:14 -0300
 >> From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>
 >>
 >> The attached patch adds support for this, but without exposing
 >> custom--inhibit-theme-enable, because it doesn't sound to me like a good
 >> idea.
 >>
 >> Opinions?
 >
 > Since this has user-facing aspects, I think the effects of this change
 > should be called out in NEWS.

Makes sense.  Here's an updated patch.
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> Cc: 76685 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 06:26:14 -0300
> From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>
> 
> The attached patch adds support for this, but without exposing
> custom--inhibit-theme-enable, because it doesn't sound to me like a good
> idea.
> 
> Opinions?

Since this has user-facing aspects, I think the effects of this change
should be called out in NEWS.




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Thanks for the patch! It looks like a good conservative approach.


On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 at 10:26, Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> wrote:
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> Jo=C3=A3o Guerra <joca.bt@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>  >> So the use case would be:
>  >> The user already loaded and enabled a theme (via load-theme and
>  >> enable-theme) and then, while the theme is enabled, he/she wants to
>  >> reevaluate a custom-theme-set-faces and see its effect immediately?
>  >
>  > That's the main use case indeed. Currently, the user needs to
>  > re-enable the theme after evaluating their custom-theme-set-faces. If
>  > they are experimenting with themes this becomes a bit cumbersome after
>  > a while. What I have been doing and seen in other configurations is
>  > `(setq custom--inhibit-theme-enable nil)`, so I was wondering if it
>  > would be desirable to expose this functionality somehow to the user.
>  >
>
> The attached patch adds support for this, but without exposing
> custom--inhibit-theme-enable, because it doesn't sound to me like a good
> idea.
>
> Opinions?




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João Guerra <joca.bt@HIDDEN> writes:

 >> So the use case would be:
 >> The user already loaded and enabled a theme (via load-theme and
 >> enable-theme) and then, while the theme is enabled, he/she wants to
 >> reevaluate a custom-theme-set-faces and see its effect immediately?
 >
 > That's the main use case indeed. Currently, the user needs to
 > re-enable the theme after evaluating their custom-theme-set-faces. If
 > they are experimenting with themes this becomes a bit cumbersome after
 > a while. What I have been doing and seen in other configurations is
 > `(setq custom--inhibit-theme-enable nil)`, so I was wondering if it
 > would be desirable to expose this functionality somehow to the user.
 >

The attached patch adds support for this, but without exposing
custom--inhibit-theme-enable, because it doesn't sound to me like a good
idea.

Opinions?

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> So the use case would be:
> The user already loaded and enabled a theme (via load-theme and
> enable-theme) and then, while the theme is enabled, he/she wants to
> reevaluate a custom-theme-set-faces and see its effect immediately?

That's the main use case indeed. Currently, the user needs to
re-enable the theme after evaluating their custom-theme-set-faces. If
they are experimenting with themes this becomes a bit cumbersome after
a while. What I have been doing and seen in other configurations is
`(setq custom--inhibit-theme-enable nil)`, so I was wondering if it
would be desirable to expose this functionality somehow to the user.

On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 at 20:41, Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
> Jo=C3=A3o Guerra <joca.bt@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>  > Hello, would it be possible to expose the functionality of
>  > custom--inhibit-theme-enable as a user option, in some form?
>
> Something like this has been discussed before:
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2018-06/msg00374.html
>
> We don't act upon a call to custom-theme-set-faces immediately, to avoid
> applying the theme's settings when loading it.  And it looks to me
> that we don't want to make that customizable, since it's bad practice
> for a package (theme or not) to have effects just because of loading it.
>
>  > The default behavior, where modifying a loaded and enabled theme
>  > requires re-enabling it to see the changes, may feel counterintuitive
>  > to some users.
>  >
>  > Allowing immediate visual feedback when evaluating
>  > custom-theme-set-faces would make theme customization easier.
>
> So the use case would be:
> The user already loaded and enabled a theme (via load-theme and
> enable-theme) and then, while the theme is enabled, he/she wants to
> reevaluate a custom-theme-set-faces and see its effect immediately?
>
> Perhaps we can handle that use case by specializing
> custom--should-apply-setting a bit more, without a need to expose
> custom--inhibit-theme-enable.
>




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João Guerra <joca.bt@HIDDEN> writes:

 > Hello, would it be possible to expose the functionality of
 > custom--inhibit-theme-enable as a user option, in some form?

Something like this has been discussed before:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2018-06/msg00374.html

We don't act upon a call to custom-theme-set-faces immediately, to avoid
applying the theme's settings when loading it.  And it looks to me
that we don't want to make that customizable, since it's bad practice
for a package (theme or not) to have effects just because of loading it.

 > The default behavior, where modifying a loaded and enabled theme
 > requires re-enabling it to see the changes, may feel counterintuitive
 > to some users.
 >
 > Allowing immediate visual feedback when evaluating
 > custom-theme-set-faces would make theme customization easier.

So the use case would be:
The user already loaded and enabled a theme (via load-theme and
enable-theme) and then, while the theme is enabled, he/she wants to
reevaluate a custom-theme-set-faces and see its effect immediately?

Perhaps we can handle that use case by specializing
custom--should-apply-setting a bit more, without a need to expose
custom--inhibit-theme-enable.





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Hello, would it be possible to expose the functionality of
custom--inhibit-theme-enable as a user option, in some form?

The default behavior, where modifying a loaded and enabled theme
requires re-enabling it to see the changes, may feel counterintuitive
to some users.

Allowing immediate visual feedback when evaluating
custom-theme-set-faces would make theme customization easier.




Acknowledgement sent to João Guerra <joca.bt@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#76685; Package emacs. Full text available.
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