Received: (at 76769) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Mar 2025 03:39:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 15 23:39:35 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44657 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tteqb-00086z-KL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Mar 2025 23:39:35 -0400 Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]:41838) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <spwhitton@HIDDEN>) id 1tteqY-00085x-9j for 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Mar 2025 23:39:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=NJuTczwoAOBTmfNnwHLWm4FR0stqFHXopgWVxsoN3QF+EcpNheFAgYeLbof6n4MPfZdB1gGPu7I3ydUg4lB0hLysKL7MxmgIZWClKam4wXj+Nnl78yC0KnNkQxdi2n5wybgDgWwncGee/ozposmmHiuyeP6d2fhAWtO5E8ezglvZd6T/N8VYU/N25VX4Or+X0ZoM4CfqKITqxqUGY27k9YS7wPD7GMiDhZm53tzjoCTMczWt87klYH/+UMhocG2aQ5fGAAfLqLNHOGhcFcDgv+Ewqur3rUR30tveo/Nv81/VjhJ1zBxgpBglVeVxYKnzG83t2VUw6+YJD/eX5AXAmQ==; s=purelymail1; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=bVLsasTaj5JPtMz6r5TR9FK5Rrcxr7iEyiYmPyQj8Jk=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=FXfSJF8NaaMcEfv91VrDexP8wUonNqOi++Kb1uZtJpJpnw8z0IsRb4plSerSIFeA4Hl4sFU9qipcFAhQdKRn4m2p8dL30np/UsPLNItROMMtcFRacTRqxp9D6ulkIuQuS/zv+NLxy39WYa38I5uFcZM/X0Zf8oVhRLrjt8vDz3YOtdXBgbsQZxZdJ8/EP9T7FZnfEXOWzMdIYTChIelfuACjeO5j97SoeOXi2oLjee0Xoh8s2WQ3abSB48+cGDQzAsQgowTmnStuP93gmqRzYfNEKTdCr0KQK+Dl9vbaE5lebI+mfdbzGazQ1aquW9vSm2vpS//xtayLAMxbxsnvvg==; s=purelymail1; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=bVLsasTaj5JPtMz6r5TR9FK5Rrcxr7iEyiYmPyQj8Jk=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id -1331088465; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Sun, 16 Mar 2025 03:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 78FE97ED0CF; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 11:39:19 +0800 (CST) From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#76769: 31.0.50; marking inconsistency between VC-Dir and dired-vc-next-action In-Reply-To: <e8fa7795-4827-4a14-bb7b-acefb273c907@HIDDEN> References: <875xkmvmk4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ldtgnsme.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jz8zkdby.fsf@HIDDEN> <87senlo4w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <86frjkevl0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmcwiazv.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qpbd9dk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt7y90mx.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldta5nlb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h63w2s9d.fsf@HIDDEN> <d247ce66-7f45-4af6-b851-1222f6a0d6fd@HIDDEN> <871puyrbse.fsf@HIDDEN> <e8fa7795-4827-4a14-bb7b-acefb273c907@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2025 11:39:19 +0800 Message-ID: <87wmcplk48.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76769 Cc: sbaugh@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, On Sat 15 Mar 2025 at 10:08pm +02, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > The rest of the scenarios you described seem to make sense unconditionally, > without extra prompt. Or might anyway. > [...] > Yeah, IME it might be an error because I would just be going through the items > in VC-Dir, pressing 'm' to mark one after another - right now it ends at the > first element after a dir, and it would start to work differently. These are good points. I now think perhaps only the more surprising ones ought to be behind the defcustom, possibly only just this one. > Anyway, I just wanted to voice a concern. Probably not a big deal, and > it might help to test the changes in practice for a while. Yes, there's a good chance we'll want to change which ones are behind the defcustom after trying to use it for a while. -- Sean Whitton
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Sat, 15 Mar 2025 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <e8fa7795-4827-4a14-bb7b-acefb273c907@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 22:08:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#76769: 31.0.50; marking inconsistency between VC-Dir and dired-vc-next-action To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> References: <875xkmvmk4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ldtgnsme.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jz8zkdby.fsf@HIDDEN> <87senlo4w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <86frjkevl0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmcwiazv.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qpbd9dk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt7y90mx.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldta5nlb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h63w2s9d.fsf@HIDDEN> <d247ce66-7f45-4af6-b851-1222f6a0d6fd@HIDDEN> <871puyrbse.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <871puyrbse.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76769 Cc: sbaugh@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 15/03/2025 09:30, Sean Whitton wrote: >> That one sounds a little odd, doesn't it? Marking something would be expected >> to extend the set of files acted upon, and here it the opposite. > > I see what you mean, but I'd argue it's still the most useful behaviour, > especially after a confirmation prompt -- I'll make it clear what's > going to happen in the prompt, e.g. "Unmark this directory in order to > mark this single file?" I've based my response expecting to set the new defcustom to t if the behavior makes sense. Perhaps you have a point that with an extra prompt there's not much downside. And the upside, I suppose, is in saving time not having to go to the directory node (to "unmark"), or unmarking all the other entries under that directory. If the user intent is indeed to keep only some of the entries marked, not the whole dir. The rest of the scenarios you described seem to make sense unconditionally, without extra prompt. Or might anyway. > To put it another way, why would you want to mark that file if the > directory is already marked? Either it's an error, and you can just say > 'n' to the prompt, or it's deliberate and it's because you want to mark > that file for your next operation, whether or not you've noticed that > you need to unmark the directory first. Yeah, IME it might be an error because I would just be going through the items in VC-Dir, pressing 'm' to mark one after another - right now it ends at the first element after a dir, and it would start to work differently. Anyway, I just wanted to voice a concern. Probably not a big deal, and it might help to test the changes in practice for a while.
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Fri, 14 Mar 2025 21:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <d247ce66-7f45-4af6-b851-1222f6a0d6fd@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 03:18:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#76769: 31.0.50; marking inconsistency between VC-Dir and dired-vc-next-action To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN, sbaugh@HIDDEN References: <875xkmvmk4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ldtgnsme.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jz8zkdby.fsf@HIDDEN> <87senlo4w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <86frjkevl0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmcwiazv.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qpbd9dk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt7y90mx.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldta5nlb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h63w2s9d.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87h63w2s9d.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76769 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 14/03/2025 05:41, Sean Whitton wrote: > - When you try to mark a file but you can't because the directory is > already marked, unmark the directory first. That one sounds a little odd, doesn't it? Marking something would be expected to extend the set of files acted upon, and here it the opposite. > - When you use unmark on a file that is not explicitly marked but its > directory is marked, unmark the directory and mark all files under it > except the current one. > > - When you try to mark a directory but you can't because a file under it > is already marked, unmark all files under it and mark the directory, > instead. > > - When you use unmark on a directory that is not marked but has some > files under it marked, unmark all of those. All these sound great.
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Full text available.Received: (at 76769) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2025 08:24:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 14 04:24:26 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60026 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tt0LC-0004Y8-7q for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 04:24:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47408) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tt0L8-0004Xl-S7 for 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 04:24:23 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tt0L0-0004lu-9t; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 04:24:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=EJcJKG6C3n/gUGpm3RQIWEme6zI/eo+5huppTPGAdR4=; b=DN/G5XUSrgek VZ1Znt1MvlDy8f49tzJK0KRT/aPpdGlSEg4rycqRJEu2tw9kijgptQfGba5YlHw1qrVNMrlItlbYz 1TAP9VIEwBBaN7//gYP6rVedLfpvgBJ3Qy0AFQaX2UWAAG7XmBFgz+7ppTQSLnn04XvvQfMeVTq+/ uP885W7loxEkoCVDUMEp1foNhMSWl5X9xowDyOnyED4S9zDFGZOZfTTOtEIvivaQWv7E8XhrXeBpE Jca2eA/f++N38k93Bi44KGTcNLDV+ukz06stqjEq++4WVsgZVqjwBi8x3PTPWsF2UVMc46MoaVltR 5uBajAE7OWF5WG2GrtHF8A==; Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 10:24:11 +0200 Message-Id: <86tt7wyq8k.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87h63w2s9d.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Sean Whitton on Fri, 14 Mar 2025 11:41:34 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#76769: 31.0.50; marking inconsistency between VC-Dir and dired-vc-next-action References: <875xkmvmk4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ldtgnsme.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jz8zkdby.fsf@HIDDEN> <87senlo4w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <86frjkevl0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmcwiazv.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qpbd9dk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt7y90mx.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldta5nlb.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h63w2s9d.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76769 Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, sbaugh@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 11:41:34 +0800 > > Ah, these are good questions. Here is a revised proposal: > > A defcustom with values nil, 'ask, t. nil is the current behaviour. > 'ask means to do the follow things after a y/n prompt, t means to do > them unconditionally: > > - When you try to mark a file but you can't because the directory is > already marked, unmark the directory first. > > - When you use unmark on a file that is not explicitly marked but its > directory is marked, unmark the directory and mark all files under it > except the current one. > > - When you try to mark a directory but you can't because a file under it > is already marked, unmark all files under it and mark the directory, > instead. > > - When you use unmark on a directory that is not marked but has some > files under it marked, unmark all of those. > > Plus fixing dired-vc-next-action. SGTM, thanks.
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Hello,
On Tue 11 Mar 2025 at 02:44pm +02, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> The toggle part is usually very handy.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean these two features:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
U - if the cursor is on a file: unmark all the files with the same state
as the current file
- if the cursor is on a directory: unmark all child files
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
--
Sean Whitton
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Full text available.Received: (at 76769) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2025 12:45:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 11 08:45:14 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42116 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tryyt-0005Wv-54 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 08:45:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tryyp-0005RK-AH for 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 08:45:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tryyg-0005aM-6P; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 08:44:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=7jBGBRMtFRz9kC7OMW4ezFNPNYUedub47F0HMS1heqM=; b=kb1N8LGmajEc Pp7wxmwD7nxUm20wlXh/NNeG85ycHTXZzxIGEgLhH5REgLJH5k2Uipp+/TcCxRLR/gL7u4Zv4KA/F ThhRTFqlrDPWxc8wq1vpQkkogXteFpLbaRzSSlTR7UAdhCpeSL+lC7mtBb5URQKPwCO5+k2kE4deH AKBWcOgtmwxZrqqktkLUuP+yKMF0auD9wv+TxfaCWPBapSkI2rrGmAyEl3EvrFKy21dDbHYhK+wcM 9T5SkwdCRYi1FtLXRg9Wbp/zbvN6Q2RUjKCTszuc+u9iEEhGlZkhPXyV5Ujp9ny71WxNLWAzDrYoP tDhcTbQAODNIRvPcfQHPqA==; Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 14:44:55 +0200 Message-Id: <868qpbd9dk.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87wmcwiazv.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Sean Whitton on Tue, 11 Mar 2025 09:58:44 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#76769: 31.0.50; marking inconsistency between VC-Dir and dired-vc-next-action References: <875xkmvmk4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ldtgnsme.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jz8zkdby.fsf@HIDDEN> <87senlo4w5.fsf@HIDDEN> <86frjkevl0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmcwiazv.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76769 Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, sbaugh@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> > Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN, > sbaugh@HIDDEN > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 09:58:44 +0800 > > Hello, > > On Mon 10 Mar 2025 at 05:47pm +02, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > So one will be able to mark files easily and conveniently, using these > > new features, but will be unable to unmark files with the same > > convenience? > > No, unmarking is already perfectly convenient, I think? > > Could you perhaps describe the ways in which you find unmarking > inconvenient, or you think our users do? The toggle part is usually very handy.
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Full text available.Received: (at 76769) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2025 15:48:10 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 10 11:48:10 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39373 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1trfMQ-0007kz-8z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 11:48:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60768) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1trfMN-0007kF-BS for 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 11:48:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1trfMD-0004cQ-Ly; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 11:47:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=PGwptmyvPqyGDnhkXpJbuAiIu9HRFmw7fpz50brjqiI=; b=keSe0T8BNe+a /xFolMzkLWEAgGekdU+ek+ahQHH5XOqTnlJH4PZLbNz611NY+i14hVrNZ8sXJKnlRzpI/8BePLbsL UCKColhGRxa42MUoQh9zf1HZeuDsv58+f1PWR1iSnUf82zKMb1hmIlOuGwLNZ0O59+VUQVRVh9zSI XCn3lFpYuRN8ATeLhLPcPermijauQDx+fRqljWZm9mUtFguamR8n8BQR7orxjtd2YLPCyCcJr2Ybn Fz/CbE2TE3RDK5xMiowXHZwwyNSx2D6vEWdzqRKcUTqhzbXQ6MVkmIfKaGoaxWwbw9umkYhsu0BDT zWsagXVdRQrlgN6qHNTzFQ==; Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:47:39 +0200 Message-Id: <86frjkevl0.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87senlo4w5.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Sean Whitton on Mon, 10 Mar 2025 13:01:46 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#76769: 31.0.50; marking inconsistency between VC-Dir and dired-vc-next-action References: <875xkmvmk4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ldtgnsme.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jz8zkdby.fsf@HIDDEN> <87senlo4w5.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76769 Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN, sbaugh@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> > Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, sbaugh@HIDDEN, > juri@HIDDEN > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 13:01:46 +0800 > > On Sat 08 Mar 2025 at 12:48pm +02, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> > >> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 10:50:01 +0800 > >> > >> Here's an alternative proposal that sits only at the UI level. > >> > >> A defcustom with values nil, 'ask, t. nil is the current behaviour. > >> 'ask means to do the follow things after a y/n prompt, t means to do > >> them unconditionally: > >> > >> - When you try to mark a file but you can't because the directory is > >> already marked, unmark the directory first. > >> > >> - When you try to mark a directory but you can't because a file under it > >> is already marked, unmark all files under it and mark the directory, > >> instead. > > > > What about unmarking -- how will that work in your proposal? > > Just the same as it does now, I think. So one will be able to mark files easily and conveniently, using these new features, but will be unable to unmark files with the same convenience?
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Full text available.Received: (at 76769) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2025 05:01:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 10 01:01:59 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35869 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1trVH5-0000gr-7S for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 01:01:59 -0400 Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]:53474) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <spwhitton@HIDDEN>) id 1trVH2-0000ge-RW for 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 01:01:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=RXWqRm/ANTIZLqclFQsaY2fTLGYMHhCqn7FrNpW2BSLlTNTKwskNGgnotkuBlqTRMcC9CpvBj7/Sl00pRUVQ5tV11k30B8sRgXYnSNT/FLajMy2WOm0Nja2/YTBVvelJnlMDsQdyvruiZ+GY1SzAc7XnwNSZJwIIsxPT/C+dABoGTwjmpFRHgv8Eo/NjdTvH93pQSbb9MG7v/pG6YRVhYxCzuovfg1uEaAWA9QUKyiJxSB8yv/EVzq5j2y7/r32uphFrWw+bqRn9j21oysRTb5XcpJh+Gmg5ElmhlvEWCxKMSyGckhcz52WRpgGIuCQuGiL1lJK7Ses7D9z8aDA9Zw==; s=purelymail3; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=iU+6siyeRFfMF2WCaZLZQgG7FrpMvMRPRQ8VVPembEE=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=uTSa2f7YTroY/RkMLNVUjmpqC4HumYN2WFEQhJL11KCw7ZTdvT2eaXSeEHqmXdduiJX9kHcg6FDmOovgvmDIHIPoiTosc24rKS7f1vcWMalMAgTn29BKgNDZu7fA5nX7akTRzxjT9PbWxmSA8Mt5Z5faPWRDDzApTX1YBcz66uPZhSNTCW1wti5MY4A8eoFZiscWc2FJEXjK6KTqxMlGpLlxrJad8dFoAI6dZ6MGw9KJLsC86Ch57RYfyk5TjzDzphsQVi0EkkTSDyp1aYvrZXLu2QkRqToRhet0VRdVA7fU5j2sEh90gCjdl8gg+fSWaAQmsikf+iCXPaTs9VEYfQ==; s=purelymail3; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=iU+6siyeRFfMF2WCaZLZQgG7FrpMvMRPRQ8VVPembEE=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id -1619676641; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Mon, 10 Mar 2025 05:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 83A227E10FB; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 13:01:46 +0800 (CST) From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#76769: 31.0.50; marking inconsistency between VC-Dir and dired-vc-next-action In-Reply-To: <86jz8zkdby.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <875xkmvmk4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ldtgnsme.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jz8zkdby.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 13:01:46 +0800 Message-ID: <87senlo4w5.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76769 Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN, sbaugh@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, On Sat 08 Mar 2025 at 12:48pm +02, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> >> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 10:50:01 +0800 >> >> Here's an alternative proposal that sits only at the UI level. >> >> A defcustom with values nil, 'ask, t. nil is the current behaviour. >> 'ask means to do the follow things after a y/n prompt, t means to do >> them unconditionally: >> >> - When you try to mark a file but you can't because the directory is >> already marked, unmark the directory first. >> >> - When you try to mark a directory but you can't because a file under it >> is already marked, unmark all files under it and mark the directory, >> instead. > > What about unmarking -- how will that work in your proposal? Just the same as it does now, I think. -- Sean Whitton
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Full text available.Received: (at 76769) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Mar 2025 10:48:44 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 08 05:48:44 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53040 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tqrjY-0002jg-Gm for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2025 05:48:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59132) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tqrjW-0002jT-NP for 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2025 05:48:43 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tqrjR-00044i-3n; Sat, 08 Mar 2025 05:48:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=AZVYMtofFdqsw/p7/OvxuGUEvqWWyuaWU6jsvIvrJHI=; b=cNTuVQYN0Nzu Popn40/0soqeqSrb9uvGKSXV7ZI4F7lGlHDg/owQ264EKOpoq8SwUogyzlccPhU6xkFY4jl6KWPdO bCfXKXo8dlssl5aUbulL3zLrSxdPN6CEmcfRF1ttN6Fw8ciesMCm6qV21RDKra9YCWc1LZx7nd8zE WnIj/yCzJup73D9sUvcgkIScMcQ9183Y5RMgY2Ngav/33mtc2zxmmSDZJUwSXpux1eltgceqcj/ia I9uecS0wfawxo9klYZz+Dvf9jV9Z+2rl1HH1CL+qVnkEEScznbREue3Rf5xBU2tTkE17Err8veG9u 7q9sxt6yV+9jPGQSF962Ag==; Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 12:48:33 +0200 Message-Id: <86jz8zkdby.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87ldtgnsme.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Sean Whitton on Sat, 08 Mar 2025 10:50:01 +0800) Subject: Re: 31.0.50; marking inconsistency between VC-Dir and dired-vc-next-action References: <875xkmvmk4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ldtgnsme.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76769 Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, 76769 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, sbaugh@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> > Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 10:50:01 +0800 > > Here's an alternative proposal that sits only at the UI level. > > A defcustom with values nil, 'ask, t. nil is the current behaviour. > 'ask means to do the follow things after a y/n prompt, t means to do > them unconditionally: > > - When you try to mark a file but you can't because the directory is > already marked, unmark the directory first. > > - When you try to mark a directory but you can't because a file under it > is already marked, unmark all files under it and mark the directory, > instead. What about unmarking -- how will that work in your proposal?
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Hello,
On Fri 07 Mar 2025 at 05:13am +02, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On 06/03/2025 05:56, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> ./
>> * src/
>> * edited src/emacs.c
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>> Currently vc-dir-deduce-fileset returns ("src/" "src/emacs.c"),
>> it should return just ("src/").
>
> Could you give an example of when this is a problem in practice? If you just
> pass this list to 'git diff' or 'git log', either command would behave as if
> the fileset contained only a directory.
>
> I suppose the list of files in log-edit would be more awkward. Is that all?
No, my thought here is that the VC-Dir abstraction is leaking through.
Modulo possible cases which I'm hoping to hear more about from Eli, if
the user has marked a directory, then the operation is on that directory
and everything in it, and passing through the information that the user
happened to have src/emacs.c marked as well is strange.
> Speaking of interface changes, I wonder if marking (or unmarking) a directory
> should select/unselect all of its files instead (those displayed in the
> buffer). But that's a more drastic change.
I hope that we can figure out something more subtle, but having the
ability to opt into that would be an improvement over what we have now,
I think.
--
Sean Whitton
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Any chance someone could describe the scenario which behaves better with SVN because of that?
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Hi!
On 06/03/2025 05:56, Sean Whitton wrote:
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> ./
> * src/
> * edited src/emacs.c
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> Currently vc-dir-deduce-fileset returns ("src/" "src/emacs.c"),
> it should return just ("src/").
Could you give an example of when this is a problem in practice? If you
just pass this list to 'git diff' or 'git log', either command would
behave as if the fileset contained only a directory.
I suppose the list of files in log-edit would be more awkward. Is that all?
Speaking of interface changes, I wonder if marking (or unmarking) a
directory should select/unselect all of its files instead (those
displayed in the buffer). But that's a more drastic change.
People mentioned some VCS handling directories special - does there
exist a specific tracking of directories in commit history in some?
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> So my proposal to make things more consistent would be:
>
> - a new defcustom, which when non-nil, allows freely marking both files
> in directories, and those directories themselves, in VC-Dir
>
> (I think we should default it to non-nil)
So this defcustom will permit an inconsistent state in VC-Dir?
> - fix dired-vc-next-action to respect that defcustom, i.e., when it is
> nil, dired-vc-next-action shouldn't generate a VC-Dir buffer with
> both src/ and src/emacs.c marked, in the example above
I think that dired-vc-next-action should be fixed to handle the current
default behavior in any case, even without adding the above defcustom.
Maybe it should raise an error for an inconsistent state instead of
trying to guess the user's intention.
> - change vc-dir-deduce-fileset to filter out individual files when the
> directory containing them is marked. E.g.
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> ./
> * src/
> * edited src/emacs.c
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> Currently vc-dir-deduce-fileset returns ("src/" "src/emacs.c"),
> it should return just ("src/").
Not sure how this would affect various VCSes. It would be better
to leave the decision to the user what should be selected
unless such a selected state causes ambiguity to a VCS.
> I think that for all the operations VC supports, passing a whole
> directory along with some of the files in it is semantically equivalent
> to just passing the whole directory. If would have to be an esoteric,
> highly VCS-specific operation to do anything other than that, I think?
>
> For a case like this:
>
> ./
> * src/
> * edited src/cm.c
> edited src/emacs.c
>
>
> the UI is a little confusing, because any operation will also act on
> emacs.c, but it is not marked. I would propose that we add another
> symbol next to src/emacs.c, say '-', in a less prominently coloured
> face, indicating that despite not having been explictly marked, it is
> still effectively part of the fileset:
>
> ./
> * src/
> * edited src/cm.c
> - edited src/emacs.c
>
> (imagine the '-' is in a different colour).
It seems this UI still doesn't resolve the ambiguity for a VCS.
> How does this design look?
This looks like handling a group of checkbox selections in some UI
where the group checkbox has the third state [-]:
./
- src/
* edited src/cm.c
edited src/emacs.c
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Try this:
1. make a random edit to src/emacs.c
2. open Dired in the root of emacs.git
3. use 'm' to mark src
4. go back up one line, use 'i' to insert src
5. move down to emacs.c, use 'm' to mark that as well
6. C-x v v
This gets you a VC-Dir in which both src/ and src/emacs.c are marked.
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
./
* src/
* edited src/emacs.c
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
But usually, you cannot get into this state. If you try to mark src/
when src/emacs.c is already marked, you can't, and vice-versa.
This is not just a display inconsistency, because it changes the list of
files that vc-dir-deduce-fileset returns.
I think that dired-vc-next-action has the more useful behaviour.
Freely marking and unmarking individual entries in VC-Dir would make it
easier to use. So I would like to make that possible. We can guard it
behind a defcustom so people can retain the old marking behaviour if
they prefer it.
So my proposal to make things more consistent would be:
- a new defcustom, which when non-nil, allows freely marking both files
in directories, and those directories themselves, in VC-Dir
(I think we should default it to non-nil)
- fix dired-vc-next-action to respect that defcustom, i.e., when it is
nil, dired-vc-next-action shouldn't generate a VC-Dir buffer with
both src/ and src/emacs.c marked, in the example above
- change vc-dir-deduce-fileset to filter out individual files when the
directory containing them is marked. E.g.
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
./
* src/
* edited src/emacs.c
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Currently vc-dir-deduce-fileset returns ("src/" "src/emacs.c"),
it should return just ("src/").
I think that for all the operations VC supports, passing a whole
directory along with some of the files in it is semantically equivalent
to just passing the whole directory. If would have to be an esoteric,
highly VCS-specific operation to do anything other than that, I think?
For a case like this:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
./
* src/
* edited src/cm.c
edited src/emacs.c
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
the UI is a little confusing, because any operation will also act on
emacs.c, but it is not marked. I would propose that we add another
symbol next to src/emacs.c, say '-', in a less prominently coloured
face, indicating that despite not having been explictly marked, it is
still effectively part of the fileset:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
./
* src/
* edited src/cm.c
- edited src/emacs.c
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
(imagine the '-' is in a different colour).
How does this design look?
--
Sean Whitton
Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN>:juri@HIDDEN, dmitry@HIDDEN, sbaugh@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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