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filename=0001-New-configure-option-with-systemduserunitdir.patch
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 12:16:37 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] New configure option --with-systemduserunitdir
* configure.ac (systemduserunitdir): New variable and option.
* Makefile.in (systemduserunitdir): New, set by configure.
(install-etc, uninstall): Don't install emacs.service when
systemduserunitdir is unspecified.
* etc/NEWS: Announce the new configure option. (Bug#76924)
---
Makefile.in | 22 +++++++++-------------
configure.ac | 16 ++++++++++++++++
etc/NEWS | 5 +++++
3 files changed, 30 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
diff --git a/Makefile.in b/Makefile.in
index ca6d991bce6..0ba11c9aa5b 100644
--- a/Makefile.in
+++ b/Makefile.in
@@ -160,7 +160,7 @@ sharedstatedir=
# a subdirectory of this.
libexecdir=@libexecdir@
-# Currently only used for the systemd service file.
+# Where to install object code libraries. Used for ELN_DESTDIR.
libdir=@libdir@
# Where to install emacs-module.h.
@@ -207,15 +207,7 @@ desktopdir=
metainfodir=$(datarootdir)/metainfo
# Where the etc/emacs.service file is to be installed.
-# The system value (typically /usr/lib/systemd/user) can be
-# obtained with: pkg-config --variable=systemduserunitdir systemd
-# but that does not respect configure's prefix.
-# It is not clear where we should install this file when
-# prefix != /usr (or /usr/local?) (eg for non-root installs).
-# Other options include ~/.config/systemd/user/,
-# $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/systemd/user/
-# It seems the user may end up having to make a manual link...
-systemdunitdir=$(libdir)/systemd/user
+systemduserunitdir=@systemduserunitdir@
# Where the etc/images/icons/hicolor directory is to be installed.
icondir=$(datarootdir)/icons
@@ -886,14 +878,16 @@ install-etc:
${srcdir}/etc/emacs.metainfo.xml > $${tmp}; \
${INSTALL_DATA} $${tmp} "$(DESTDIR)${metainfodir}/${EMACS_NAME}.metainfo.xml"; \
rm -f $${tmp}
- umask 022; $(MKDIR_P) "$(DESTDIR)$(systemdunitdir)"
+ ifneq ($(systemduserunitdir),)
+ umask 022; $(MKDIR_P) "$(DESTDIR)$(systemduserunitdir)"
tmp=etc/emacs.tmpservice; rm -f $${tmp}; \
sed -e '/^##/d' \
-e "/^Documentation/ s/emacs(1)/${EMACS_NAME}(1)/" \
-e "/^ExecStart/ s|emacs|${bindir}/${EMACS}|" \
${srcdir}/etc/emacs.service > $${tmp}; \
- $(INSTALL_DATA) $${tmp} "$(DESTDIR)$(systemdunitdir)/${EMACS_NAME}.service"; \
+ $(INSTALL_DATA) $${tmp} "$(DESTDIR)$(systemduserunitdir)/${EMACS_NAME}.service"; \
rm -f $${tmp}
+ endif
thisdir=`pwd -P`; \
cd ${iconsrcdir} || exit 1; umask 022 ; \
for dir in */*/apps */*/mimetypes; do \
@@ -977,7 +971,9 @@ uninstall:
fi)
-rm -f "$(DESTDIR)${desktopdir}/${EMACS_NAME}.desktop"
-rm -f "$(DESTDIR)${metainfodir}/${EMACS_NAME}.metainfo.xml"
- -rm -f "$(DESTDIR)$(systemdunitdir)/${EMACS_NAME}.service"
+ ifneq ($(systemduserunitdir),)
+ -rm -f "$(DESTDIR)$(systemduserunitdir)/${EMACS_NAME}.service"
+ endif
ifneq (,$(use_gamedir))
for file in snake-scores tetris-scores; do \
file="$(DESTDIR)${gamedir}/$${file}"; \
diff --git a/configure.ac b/configure.ac
index 4a7f326ab2b..033f1dc09ef 100644
--- a/configure.ac
+++ b/configure.ac
@@ -481,6 +481,22 @@ AC_DEFUN
DUMPING=$with_dumping
AC_SUBST([DUMPING])
+dnl Where the etc/emacs.service file is to be installed.
+dnl We use $(prefix)/lib/systemd/user as default, but this may not be
+dnl in systemd's search path when prefix is neither /usr nor /usr/local.
+dnl In that case (e.g. for non-root installs) the location can be
+dnl specified with the configure option. (Bug#76924)
+AC_ARG_WITH([systemduserunitdir],
+ [AS_HELP_STRING([--with-systemduserunitdir=DIR],
+ [directory for systemd user unit file;
+ default 'PREFIX/usr/lib/systemd/user'])],
+ [systemduserunitdir=${withval}],
+ [systemduserunitdir='${prefix}/lib/systemd/user'])
+if test "${systemduserunitdir}" = "no"; then
+ systemduserunitdir=''
+fi
+AC_SUBST([systemduserunitdir])
+
dnl FIXME currently it is not the last.
dnl This should be the last --with option, because --with-x is
dnl added later on when we find the file name of X, and it's best to
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index d79080c94e8..e7f13bbc567 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -37,6 +37,11 @@ host system supports SSE2) or '-fno-tree-sra' (if not). These GCC
options work around GCC bug 58416, which can cause Emacs to behave
incorrectly in rare cases.
+---
+** New configure option '--with-systemduserunitdir'.
+This allows to specify the directory where the user unit file for
+systemd is installed; default is '${prefix}/usr/lib/systemd/user'.
+
* Startup Changes in Emacs 31.1
--
2.48.1
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> From: Ulrich Müller <ulm@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Ulrich Müller <ulm@HIDDEN>, schwab@HIDDEN,
> 76924 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:36:46 +0100
>
> >>>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2025, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> So I did some reasearch (not at all comprehensive, but should be enough
> to get an idea how things are typically done):
>
> blueman:
> configure option --with-systemduserunitdir
>
> GNOME:
> Meson option:
> option('systemduserunitdir', type: 'string', value: '', description: 'custom directory for systemd user units, or \'no\' to disable')
>
> KDE:
> CMake installs into ${KDE_INSTALL_SYSTEMDUSERUNITDIR} which is defined
> by KDE Frameworks' extra-cmake-modules package
>
> XFCE:
> configure.ac defines location based on $(prefix):
> systemd_userdir = $(prefix)/lib/systemd/user
>
> libvirt:
> Meson option (for system unit file):
> option('unitdir', type: 'string', value: '', description: 'directory for systemd unit files')
>
> PAM:
> Meson option (for system unit file):
> option('systemdunitdir', type: 'string', description: 'systemd service directory')
>
>
> >From this, I would conclude:
>
> - Most packages have the location configurable. The only exception in
> above list is XFCE which uses $(prefix)/lib/systemd/user.
>
> - The name of the option isn't standardised, but variations of
> "--with-systemduserunitdir" or "systemduserunitdir" are what I see
> most often.
Thanks. So I guess we will add a configure time option with
$(prefix)/lib/systemd/user as fallback?
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>>>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2025, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Presumably the most common use cases will be:
>>
>> - Distros building an Emacs package. These should make sure that
>> prefix is the same for all their packages. So, installing in
>> $(prefix)/lib will be The Right Thing and no option is needed.
>>
>> - Users compiling Emacs from the release tarball or from Git. For
>> these we don't really know what the prefix is, it could be
>> /usr/local or some location under their home dir. I believe an
>> option would be useful here.
>>
>> Not entirely sure about the default, but I'd go with $(prefix)/lib
>> also for this case, because: a) /usr/local/lib is in systemd's
>> search path, which covers one of the more common cases, and
>> b) hardcoded /usr/lib (systemd's prefix) may not be writable for
>> the user.
> OK, thanks. Before we decide what to do, would it be possibly to see
> what other projects do with systemd files? (Assuming there are other
> projects which install files for systemd's use.) I'd like to be sure
> we are not reinventing the wheel here, if some accepted solution
> already exists.
So I did some reasearch (not at all comprehensive, but should be enough
to get an idea how things are typically done):
blueman:
configure option --with-systemduserunitdir
GNOME:
Meson option:
option('systemduserunitdir', type: 'string', value: '', description: 'custom directory for systemd user units, or \'no\' to disable')
KDE:
CMake installs into ${KDE_INSTALL_SYSTEMDUSERUNITDIR} which is defined
by KDE Frameworks' extra-cmake-modules package
XFCE:
configure.ac defines location based on $(prefix):
systemd_userdir = $(prefix)/lib/systemd/user
libvirt:
Meson option (for system unit file):
option('unitdir', type: 'string', value: '', description: 'directory for systemd unit files')
PAM:
Meson option (for system unit file):
option('systemdunitdir', type: 'string', description: 'systemd service directory')
From this, I would conclude:
- Most packages have the location configurable. The only exception in
above list is XFCE which uses $(prefix)/lib/systemd/user.
- The name of the option isn't standardised, but variations of
"--with-systemduserunitdir" or "systemduserunitdir" are what I see
most often.
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On Mär 11 2025, Ulrich Müller wrote:
> Sorry, I had a thinko there. Asking pkg-config isn't such a good idea.
> Imagine someone installing with prefix=/usr/local, we would then install
> the unit file in a stray location outside prefix. It is even worse for
> non-root installs where the dir may not even be writable.
But the unit file needs to be installed in a location searched by
systemd, so it needs to follow systemd's idea of prefix.
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> From: Ulrich Müller <ulm@HIDDEN>
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> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 14:34:20 +0100
>
> > Or maybe we should use pkg-config, at least if no --prefix was
> > specified at configure time?
>
> systemd.pc has this
> (https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/cd20d48c69f9e586de914e1facf33b11122477ae/src/core/systemd.pc.in#L34):
>
> systemd_user_unit_dir=${prefix}/lib/systemd/user
> systemduserunitdir=${systemd_user_unit_dir}
>
> So depending on the prefix, that would be /lib or /usr/lib (which are
> equivalent, see above).
>
> Maybe the cleanest solution would be to ask pkg-config (after all,
> systemd must find these files), with $(prefix)/lib/systemd/user as
> fallback location.
SGTM, thanks.
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>>>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> The comment there says:
> # Where the etc/emacs.service file is to be installed.
> # The system value (typically /usr/lib/systemd/user) can be
> # obtained with: pkg-config --variable=systemduserunitdir systemd
> # but that does not respect configure's prefix.
> # It is not clear where we should install this file when
> # prefix != /usr (or /usr/local?) (eg for non-root installs).
> # Other options include ~/.config/systemd/user/,
> # $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/systemd/user/
> # It seems the user may end up having to make a manual link...
> systemdunitdir=$(libdir)/systemd/user
> So this isn't a simple mistake, but a deliberate decision. We should
> do more research before we override this. For example: what do
> distros do with this? do they really all use what you suggest?
Gentoo removes the emacs.service file from Emacs' install image and
installs it in /usr/lib/systemd/user instead.
IIUC Debian installs system unit files in the /lib/systemd/system
directory, see https://wiki.debian.org/systemd. The article doesn't
mention user files, but the corresponding location would be
/lib/systemd/user (i.e. _not_ /lib64).
(Note that systemd no longer supports the concept of separate /lib and
/usr/lib, i.e. /lib is a symlink to /usr/lib and it doesn't matter if
the prefix is / or /usr.)
> Or maybe we should use pkg-config, at least if no --prefix was
> specified at configure time?
systemd.pc has this
(https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/cd20d48c69f9e586de914e1facf33b11122477ae/src/core/systemd.pc.in#L34):
systemd_user_unit_dir=${prefix}/lib/systemd/user
systemduserunitdir=${systemd_user_unit_dir}
So depending on the prefix, that would be /lib or /usr/lib (which are
equivalent, see above).
Maybe the cleanest solution would be to ask pkg-config (after all,
systemd must find these files), with $(prefix)/lib/systemd/user as
fallback location.
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Full text available.Received: (at 76924) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2025 12:06:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 11 08:06:31 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tryNP-0003ge-F0 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 08:06:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tryNJ-0003gJ-5W for 76924 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 08:06:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tryN6-0005IP-Du; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 08:06:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=dtMkcufBYgMcJ/tQU74elJHbeO9v76y1EkzCHv+nth4=; b=X/WqyOylPKL1+tavjmTs dEfBmAEPm+DZnXJvWu5jM4Xj2RFWbcrSpaY8fWpbgTYUAdsZvQAOS1i38BFlCj+1GkNNKo1yTEnJU 0wc1u19yZKIcoOv8mccx/zT0Ff5JEhy1BvvippyUt7XzamTYyXgLLPT0IWdc90/crKzMgCGsxru64 YAiPgWKd2dVSm6B5uT8zskvWpn2izEGrRtO/RvJh08kywaRqrotAqonOmdmMzdJIj6EsN+3Ad0/De URieTzUpG8xHckMcpklI3cVnKUj+LLYI5tJTJ0zznCr4Nu2XNQBxVXMIW5Lzem/VI+4glBrmiGvFS Z+z+P5BU1uavNQ==; Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 14:06:05 +0200 Message-Id: <86jz8vdb6a.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?= <ulm@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <uecz4d8ai@HIDDEN> (message from Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?Q?M?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=FCller?= on Mon, 10 Mar 2025 19:56:05 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#76924: 31.0.50; Wrong install location for systemd user unit file References: <uecz4d8ai@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76924 Cc: 76924 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ulrich Müller <ulm@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 19:56:05 +0100 > > The top-level Makefile.in defines systemdunitdir=$(libdir)/systemd/user > where libdir is taken from the --libdir configure option, so typically > it will be /usr/local/lib64 or /usr/lib64 on a 64-bit system. > > This appears to be wrong, the file should be installed in a fixed "lib" > location, not $(libdir). > > Reference: > https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.unit.html#id-1.8.5 > > Table 2 lists these locations: > /usr/local/lib/systemd/user User units installed by the administrator > /usr/lib/systemd/user User units installed by the distribution package manager > > > Possible solutions: > - Install in systemdunitdir=$(prefix)/lib/systemd/user > - Add a --with-systemduserunitdir option (this was already suggested > in bug #16507 message #28) The comment there says: # Where the etc/emacs.service file is to be installed. # The system value (typically /usr/lib/systemd/user) can be # obtained with: pkg-config --variable=systemduserunitdir systemd # but that does not respect configure's prefix. # It is not clear where we should install this file when # prefix != /usr (or /usr/local?) (eg for non-root installs). # Other options include ~/.config/systemd/user/, # $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/systemd/user/ # It seems the user may end up having to make a manual link... systemdunitdir=$(libdir)/systemd/user So this isn't a simple mistake, but a deliberate decision. We should do more research before we override this. For example: what do distros do with this? do they really all use what you suggest? Or maybe we should use pkg-config, at least if no --prefix was specified at configure time?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#76924; Package emacs.
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