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Subject: Re: bug#76925: [PATCH] admin/notes/elpa: Add note on contributing
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Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> If I may propose a idea I have been playing around with for a while in
>>> my head: I think it would be nice to have a wizard-like interface that
>>> prepares a submission request. It should both be able to set up a
>>> project if the user is just starting out and provide some basic checks
>>> for a user who has some ready code they wish to add to ELPA. In the
>>> process, the package should go through and explain the most common
>>> questions ("how to release a package?", "when is it updated?", "what is
>>> the difference between GNU and NonGNU ELPA?", etc.).
>>>
>>> If you are interested in contributing to ELPA, I think that working on
>>> this kind of a user-facing package would be more useful than commenting
>>> on a admin/notes file that most people don't even know about. I would
>>> be more than glad to shepherd you through the process 1:1, as I have had
>>> a good experience with the approach in the past. How does that sound
>>> like?
>>>
>>> (Package name suggestion: "elpa-helper".)
>>
>> Thank you, Philip. This is an interesting and valuable initiative.
>
> If you are interested in it, we can close this bug report and continue
> the discussion in private. Are you OK with that?
>
Yes.
>> While I lack experience with wizard interfaces, I'd be happy to
>> contribute where most useful. What first steps would you suggest?
>
> I have a sketch I can share with you, but this is really an open-ended
> idea.
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david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> writes:
> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>>> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>>>
>>>>> What do you think about the patch update? I'm open to any suggestions
>>>>> from you. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, I don't see any need to add anything of that kind to `admin/note=
s/elpa`.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stefan
>>>
>>> Thanks, Stefan. Could you share what you propose instead? This thread
>>> stems from an issue about missing information that we could address.
>>> Several developers have discussed the patch, and I believe that when
>>> joining a thread to express disagreement, it's helpful to offer an
>>> alternative or explanation=E2=80=94especially when others see value in =
the
>>> change. If the patch had been dismissed from the start as unnecessary
>>> or irrelevant, there would be no issue. But when multiple developers
>>> are actively discussing it, simply stating it's unnecessary without
>>> elaboration can come across as lacking tact. I say this because I feel
>>> a sense of responsibility for a thread I started.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to your thoughts.
>>
>> If I may propose a idea I have been playing around with for a while in
>> my head: I think it would be nice to have a wizard-like interface that
>> prepares a submission request. It should both be able to set up a
>> project if the user is just starting out and provide some basic checks
>> for a user who has some ready code they wish to add to ELPA. In the
>> process, the package should go through and explain the most common
>> questions ("how to release a package?", "when is it updated?", "what is
>> the difference between GNU and NonGNU ELPA?", etc.).
>>
>> If you are interested in contributing to ELPA, I think that working on
>> this kind of a user-facing package would be more useful than commenting
>> on a admin/notes file that most people don't even know about. I would
>> be more than glad to shepherd you through the process 1:1, as I have had
>> a good experience with the approach in the past. How does that sound
>> like?
>>
>> (Package name suggestion: "elpa-helper".)
>
> Thank you, Philip. This is an interesting and valuable initiative.=20
If you are interested in it, we can close this bug report and continue
the discussion in private. Are you OK with that?
> While
> I lack experience with wizard interfaces, I'd be happy to contribute
> where most useful. What first steps would you suggest?
I have a sketch I can share with you, but this is really an open-ended
idea.
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Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes:
> david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>>>> What do you think about the patch update? I'm open to any suggestions
>>>> from you. Thanks.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I don't see any need to add anything of that kind to `admin/notes=
/elpa`.
>>>
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>
>> Thanks, Stefan. Could you share what you propose instead? This thread
>> stems from an issue about missing information that we could address.
>> Several developers have discussed the patch, and I believe that when
>> joining a thread to express disagreement, it's helpful to offer an
>> alternative or explanation=E2=80=94especially when others see value in t=
he
>> change. If the patch had been dismissed from the start as unnecessary
>> or irrelevant, there would be no issue. But when multiple developers
>> are actively discussing it, simply stating it's unnecessary without
>> elaboration can come across as lacking tact. I say this because I feel
>> a sense of responsibility for a thread I started.
>>
>> Looking forward to your thoughts.
>
> If I may propose a idea I have been playing around with for a while in
> my head: I think it would be nice to have a wizard-like interface that
> prepares a submission request. It should both be able to set up a
> project if the user is just starting out and provide some basic checks
> for a user who has some ready code they wish to add to ELPA. In the
> process, the package should go through and explain the most common
> questions ("how to release a package?", "when is it updated?", "what is
> the difference between GNU and NonGNU ELPA?", etc.).
>
> If you are interested in contributing to ELPA, I think that working on
> this kind of a user-facing package would be more useful than commenting
> on a admin/notes file that most people don't even know about. I would
> be more than glad to shepherd you through the process 1:1, as I have had
> a good experience with the approach in the past. How does that sound
> like?
>
> (Package name suggestion: "elpa-helper".)
Thank you, Philip. This is an interesting and valuable initiative. While
I lack experience with wizard interfaces, I'd be happy to contribute
where most useful. What first steps would you suggest?
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david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> writes:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>>> What do you think about the patch update? I'm open to any suggestions
>>> from you. Thanks.
>>
>> FWIW, I don't see any need to add anything of that kind to `admin/notes/=
elpa`.
>>
>>
>> Stefan
>
> Thanks, Stefan. Could you share what you propose instead? This thread
> stems from an issue about missing information that we could address.
> Several developers have discussed the patch, and I believe that when
> joining a thread to express disagreement, it's helpful to offer an
> alternative or explanation=E2=80=94especially when others see value in the
> change. If the patch had been dismissed from the start as unnecessary
> or irrelevant, there would be no issue. But when multiple developers
> are actively discussing it, simply stating it's unnecessary without
> elaboration can come across as lacking tact. I say this because I feel
> a sense of responsibility for a thread I started.
>
> Looking forward to your thoughts.
If I may propose a idea I have been playing around with for a while in
my head: I think it would be nice to have a wizard-like interface that
prepares a submission request. It should both be able to set up a
project if the user is just starting out and provide some basic checks
for a user who has some ready code they wish to add to ELPA. In the
process, the package should go through and explain the most common
questions ("how to release a package?", "when is it updated?", "what is
the difference between GNU and NonGNU ELPA?", etc.).
If you are interested in contributing to ELPA, I think that working on
this kind of a user-facing package would be more useful than commenting
on a admin/notes file that most people don't even know about. I would
be more than glad to shepherd you through the process 1:1, as I have had
a good experience with the approach in the past. How does that sound
like?
(Package name suggestion: "elpa-helper".)
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> What do you think about the patch update? I'm open to any suggestions
> from you. Thanks.
FWIW, I don't see any need to add anything of that kind to `admin/notes/elpa`.
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david [2025-03-23 09:53:43] wrote:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>> david [2025-03-22 21:20:38] wrote:
>>> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:
>>>> BTW, which Emacs mode are you editing this in to automatically insert
>>>> 0x2019?
>>> I manually used the =E2=80=99 character in the text.
>>
>> How?
>>
> Hi Stefan, to manually insert that character, you can run `C-x 8 RET
> 2019 RET`. Alternatively, you could copy the character from the scratch
> buffer header and use it wherever needed. You could also create an
> abbrev or a keyboard macro to insert it. Emacs offers many ways to
> manually insert a symbol.
[ That doesn't answer my question. ]
Stefan
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Sun, 23 Mar 2025 06:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#76925: [PATCH] admin/notes/elpa: Add note on contributing to external packages In-Reply-To: <jwvy0wwv5bk.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> References: <87cyeprqdp.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=aNPWDbCy_78hmKvY=v0f+apqwJVQeVvgoub8iEbk3gA@HIDDEN> <86ikofdb3o.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnfeMK7LGBPDmqjCobs-Dn1qyZm=kZntWR=jYs5UOTEuw@HIDDEN> <86senjbsje.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bju78sz8.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c4v46ye.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a59qihc0.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnL0yT6-0cFsR4y6OAge1eUVRy17gGDiKyP3Ggd6gXVUw@HIDDEN> <87y0wwk0ex.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvy0wwv5bk.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 09:53:43 -0400 Message-ID: <87a59bkg48.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76925 Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, 76925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes: > david [2025-03-22 21:20:38] wrote: >> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: >>> BTW, which Emacs mode are you editing this in to automatically insert >>> 0x2019? >> I manually used the =E2=80=99 character in the text. > > How? > Hi Stefan, to manually insert that character, you can run `C-x 8 RET 2019 RET`. Alternatively, you could copy the character from the scratch buffer header and use it wherever needed. You could also create an abbrev or a keyboard macro to insert it. Emacs offers many ways to manually insert a symbol. What do you think about the patch update? I'm open to any suggestions from you. Thanks.
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Sun, 23 Mar 2025 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) From: david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#76925: [PATCH] admin/notes/elpa: Add note on contributing to external packages In-Reply-To: <86y0wwez07.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <CADwFkm=aNPWDbCy_78hmKvY=v0f+apqwJVQeVvgoub8iEbk3gA@HIDDEN> <87tt7mbhgj.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsen4v58p.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87ecyo2cnq.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y0wwez07.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 09:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: <87frj3khbp.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76925 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, philipk@HIDDEN, 76925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> >> Cc: 76925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN>, Philip Kaluderc= ic >> <philipk@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas >> <stefankangas@HIDDEN> >> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 07:45:45 -0400 >>=20 >> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes: >>=20 >> > I don't understand this. Who is this for? What problem does it aim t= o solve? >> > Why hide it in that location? >> > >> > >> > Stefan "who hasn't looked at the presumably preceding discussi= on >> > in emacs-devel" >>=20 >> This discussion started on emacs-devel but was moved here to >> bug-gnu-emacs for further review and tracking. If you think this >> information should also go elsewhere, I'm happy to do that. However, I >> don't believe admin/notes/elpa is a hidden location for Emacs >> developers. > > Why do you think admin/notes/elpa is not a hidden location for Emacs > developers? Who do you think the admin/notes/ directory is for? > Eli, are you suggesting this section should be added to a more visible location than admin/notes/elpa? If so, I'm happy to propose adding it elsewhere. I chose admin/notes/elpa because it was one of the places I looked for this information and noticed it was missing. I also checked the elpa README and found it lacking there as well. Of course, it's up to the Emacs maintainers to decide the best location for this section. >> Related questions that may arise: > > Who may raise this questions, and in what contexts? > The proposed section helps Emacs and GNU ELPA developers ensure their code is up-to-date and compliant with Emacs policies. It addresses questions arising during contributions, updates, or policy reviews. >> - Are these cases considered policy violations for packages in GNU ELPA? > > Which cases, and why do you think they might be policy violations? > The cases I'm referring to are when a built-in package or a GNU ELPA package continues development outside GNU ELPA without adhering to its policies. >> The proposed section in the Emacs developer notes aims to address these >> questions in a general sense > > How can a question be addressed "in a general sense"? Shouldn't every > question be addressed specifically and in a targeted manner, answering > exactly the question and nothing else? > The focus is on helping developers navigate GNU ELPA package maintenance in external repositories. Specific details can be added if needed. >> When GNU ELPA policies are violated=E2=80=94or could be violated, >> such as by accepting a pull request or incorporating code that is not >> under FSF copyright=E2=80=94Emacs maintainers and developers will have t= he >> clarity and guidelines needed to take appropriate action and defend GNU >> Emacs' interests. > > If code that violates the policies is accepted, how can the Emacs > maintainers do anything post-factum to defend GNU interests? Code > that is accepted into the Git repository is carved in stone, and > cannot be removed from Git, ever. That's precisely the point. Maintainers of GNU ELPA packages hosted externally need clear guidelines for proper maintenance. The GNU ELPA team must review updates before merging them to ensure compliance with Emacs policies. This includes verifying that contributors with significant changes (e.g., over 15 lines of code) complete the FSF copyright assignment process, notifying maintainers of policy violations, etc. While I'm unfamiliar with the current process, I propose adding a section to guide external maintainers on GNU ELPA best practices.
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It covers contrib= ution >>> guidelines, copyright assignment, and synchronization with elpa.git, wh= ile >>> emphasizing a collaborative and relaxed approach to package maintenance. > > I don't understand this. Who is this for? What problem does it aim to s= olve? > Why hide it in that location? > > > Stefan "who hasn't looked at the presumably preceding discussion > in emacs-devel" This discussion started on emacs-devel but was moved here to bug-gnu-emacs for further review and tracking. If you think this information should also go elsewhere, I'm happy to do that. However, I don't believe admin/notes/elpa is a hidden location for Emacs developers. This addition to admin/notes/elpa targets developers maintaining externally hosted GNU ELPA packages, especially newcomers. It provides guidance on contributions, copyright assignment, and synchronization with elpa.git, ensuring compliance with GNU ELPA policies. 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When GNU ELPA policies are violated=E2=80=94or could be viol= ated, such as by accepting a pull request or incorporating code that is not under FSF copyright=E2=80=94Emacs maintainers and developers will have the clarity and guidelines needed to take appropriate action and defend GNU Emacs' interests.
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>> This commit adds a section to admin/notes/elpa documenting best practices
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>> guidelines, copyright assignment, and synchronization with elpa.git, while
>> emphasizing a collaborative and relaxed approach to package maintenance.
I don't understand this. Who is this for? What problem does it aim to solve?
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david [2025-03-22 21:20:38] wrote:
> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:
>> BTW, which Emacs mode are you editing this in to automatically insert
>> 0x2019?
> I manually used the =E2=80=99 character in the text.
How?
Stefan
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Sat, 22 Mar 2025 18:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#76925: [PATCH] admin/notes/elpa: Add note on contributing to external packages In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnL0yT6-0cFsR4y6OAge1eUVRy17gGDiKyP3Ggd6gXVUw@HIDDEN> References: <87cyeprqdp.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=aNPWDbCy_78hmKvY=v0f+apqwJVQeVvgoub8iEbk3gA@HIDDEN> <86ikofdb3o.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnfeMK7LGBPDmqjCobs-Dn1qyZm=kZntWR=jYs5UOTEuw@HIDDEN> <86senjbsje.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bju78sz8.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c4v46ye.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a59qihc0.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnL0yT6-0cFsR4y6OAge1eUVRy17gGDiKyP3Ggd6gXVUw@HIDDEN> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2025 21:20:38 -0400 Message-ID: <87y0wwk0ex.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76925 Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, 76925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: > BTW, which Emacs mode are you editing this in to automatically insert > 0x2019? > I manually used the =E2=80=99 character in the text. >> +1. Include clear contribution guidelines in your repository >> + If you include a README or CONTRIBUTING file in your external >> + repository, consider adding the following: >> + - A notice that the package is distributed through GNU ELPA. >> + - A statement that contributors must assign copyright for their >> + contributions to the FSF if the contribution is significant >> + (e.g., more than a few lines of code, following the fifteen-line >> + thumb-rule). > > Clarify what is the "fifteen-line thumb-rule" here. > >> + - For complete information, see the CONTRIBUTE file in the Emacs >> + repository. >> + >> +2. Handling contributions requiring copyright assignment >> + When a contributor submits a pull request or patch that requires >> + copyright assignment: >> + - Acknowledge the contribution: Thank the contributor and let them >> + know that their contribution will need to go through the FSF=E2=80= =99s >> + copyright assignment process before it can be merged. >> + - Explain the process: Provide the contributor with clear >> + instructions on how to complete the copyright assignment process. >> + This typically involves: >> + - Filling out the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright assignment form. >> + - Sending the signed form to the FSF. >> + - Waiting for confirmation from the FSF that the assignment has >> + been processed. > > Instead of "typically", say "always". > >> + - Point to resources: Direct the contributor to the FSF=E2=80=99s co= pyright >> + assignment page for more information: >> + https://www.fsf.org/licensing/assigning.html > > The bullet point headings "Acknowledge the contribution", "Explain the > process", "Point to resources" can be taken out. > >> +3. Consult with GNU ELPA administrators >> + If you=E2=80=99re unsure whether a contribution requires copyright >> + assignment or how to handle a specific case: >> + - Reach out to the GNU ELPA administrators by emailing >> + emacs-devel@HIDDEN >> + - Provide details about the contribution (e.g., the size of the >> + patch, the contributor=E2=80=99s contact information, and any rele= vant >> + context). > > Change "contact information" to "email address". We don't need or want > more specific information than that. > >> +4. Merging contributions >> + Once the contributor has completed the copyright assignment process >> + and you=E2=80=99ve received confirmation from the FSF: >> + - Merge the contribution into your external repository. Note that >> + repositories under `elpa.git` should not be modified directly by >> + Emacs developers, as their upstreams are not expected to merge >> + changes made there. Instead, contributions should be made to the >> + external repository and then synchronized with `elpa.git`. > > Yes. > >> + However, if the upstream development appears to have stagnated and >> + the maintainers are unreachable, the GNU ELPA administrators may >> + commit changes directly to `elpa.git` to ensure the package remains >> + functional and up-to-date. > > This is not our process in that case. We would reach out to upstream, > look for a new maintainer, etc. IOW, many other steps become relevant > before we take that drastic step. > > In particular, we would always set `:url nil` first. > >> + - In exceptional cases, minor local changes may be made directly in >> + `elpa.git` (e.g., to adapt the package to the ELPA environment). >> + However, these changes will not be reflected in the upstream >> + repository and should be kept to a minimum. > > I wouldn't mention this here. "Be kept to a minimum" is a bit > misleading, since AFAIK this has never happened. If we should say > anything, we should say that. > >> + - Make sure to credit the contributor in the commit history. >> + - If applicable, update the AUTHORS or THANKS file in your >> + repository to acknowledge their contribution. > > Fair enough, but do we really need to repeat that? > >> +5. Maintaining compliance >> + - It=E2=80=99s a good idea to periodically review your repository=E2= =80=99s >> + contribution guidelines to keep them up-to-date and aligned with >> + GNU ELPA policies. > > What would this look like? I'm not aware that any maintainer is doing > specific review work besides what happens when new contributors show up. > >> + - Stay in touch with the GNU ELPA administrators to address any >> + questions or concerns about contributions and copyright assignment. > > I'm even less sure what this might concretely look like. > >> +By following these steps, you can help ensure that contributions to your >> +externally hosted package are handled in a way that complies with GNU >> +ELPA policies and respects the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright requirements. > > I'm not sure what this paragraph specifically adds. > > In general, I'm not sure about the intended target audience for this > documentation. The documentation in admin/notes is usually directed at > people maintaining Emacs, while documentation directed at package > maintainers usually go to elpa.git/README (and related files). > The addition of this section aims to provide guidance for new GNU ELPA package developers. It serves as a reminder in admin/notes about the process for accepting contributions and maintaining packages, ensuring ongoing compliance with GNU ELPA licensing policies. > Maybe we should keep only the small note that boils down to: > > Don't commit changes directly to packages in GNU ELPA without > checking first that they have :url nil. > > And related explanations. I've attached the updated patch incorporating your feedback, emphasizing the need to check `:url nil` before direct commits to GNU ELPA. I'll wait for further instructions to proceed. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Add-note-about-externally-hosted-packages-to-admin-n.patch Content-Description: Add note on contributing to external packages From 01506749659fcb4415e5b4ee97619add857a39e2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: dimagid <dimagidve@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:39:40 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] Add note about externally hosted packages to admin/notes/elpa This commit adds a section on handling externally hosted GNU ELPA packages, covering contribution guidelines, copyright assignment, and synchronization with elpa.git. * admin/notes/elpa: Add section on externally hosted packages. --- admin/notes/elpa | 61 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 61 insertions(+) diff --git a/admin/notes/elpa b/admin/notes/elpa index afcda71d1dd..9425efd31af 100644 --- a/admin/notes/elpa +++ b/admin/notes/elpa @@ -33,3 +33,64 @@ the package. It is easy to use the elpa branch to deploy a "local" copy of the package archive. For details, see the README file in the elpa branch. + +* Contributing to externally hosted packages + +Some GNU ELPA packages are primarily developed in external repositories +(e.g., on GitHub, GitLab, or similar platforms). If you maintain such +a package, it's important to help contributors understand the +requirements for contributing, especially when it comes to copyright +assignment to the Free Software Foundation (FSF). Here's what you can +do: + +1. Include clear contribution guidelines in your repository + If you include a README or CONTRIBUTING file in your external + repository, consider adding the following: + - A notice that the package is distributed through GNU ELPA. + - A statement that contributors must assign copyright for their + contributions to the FSF if the contribution is significant + (e.g., more than a few lines of code, following the fifteen-line + rule). The fifteen-line rule is a guideline used by the FSF to + determine whether a contribution is significant enough to require + copyright assignment. Contributions exceeding fifteen lines of + code always fall under this rule. + - For complete information, see the CONTRIBUTE file in the Emacs + repository. + +2. Handling contributions requiring copyright assignment + When a contributor submits a pull request or patch that requires + copyright assignment: + - Thank the contributor and let them know that their contribution + will need to go through the FSF's copyright assignment process + before it can be merged. + - Provide the contributor with clear instructions on how to complete + the copyright assignment process. This always involves: + - Filling out the FSF's copyright assignment form. + - Sending the signed form to the FSF. + - Waiting for confirmation from the FSF that the assignment has + been processed. + - Direct the contributor to the FSF's copyright assignment page for + more information: https://www.fsf.org/licensing/assigning.html + +3. Consult with GNU ELPA administrators + If you're unsure whether a contribution requires copyright + assignment or how to handle a specific case: + - Reach out to the GNU ELPA administrators by emailing + emacs-devel@HIDDEN + - Provide details about the contribution (e.g., the size of the + patch, the contributor's email address, and any relevant context). + +4. Merging contributions + Once the contributor has completed the copyright assignment process + and you've received confirmation from the FSF: + - Merge the contribution into your external repository. + - Credit the contributor in the commit history and, if applicable, + in the AUTHORS or THANKS file. + +5. Handling stagnant upstream development + If upstream development has stagnated and maintainers are + unreachable: + - The GNU ELPA administrators will first attempt to contact upstream + or find a new maintainer. + - As a last resort, after setting `:url nil`, changes may be + committed directly to `elpa.git` to keep the package functional. -- 2.49.0 --=-=-=--
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david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> writes:
> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> (A general comment on the tone makes this sound more micro-managey than
>> I think is necessary. IMO it is better to have a relaxed atmosphere
>> than having it sound too "corporate" for lack of a better word.)
>
> Updated patch incorporating feedback:
>
> - Adjusted tone to be more collaborative.
Thanks.
> - Clarified GNU ELPA admins' role in upstream stagnation.
What does this mean?
>>From 09842ebfbf8b123351bdec9c05e4aedff7ab640d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: dimagid <dimagidve@HIDDEN>
> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:39:40 -0400
> Subject: [PATCH Bug#76925] Add note about externally hosted packages to
> admin/notes/elpa
>
> This commit adds a section to admin/notes/elpa documenting best practices
> for maintaining externally hosted GNU ELPA packages. It covers contribut=
ion
> guidelines, copyright assignment, and synchronization with elpa.git, whil=
e
> emphasizing a collaborative and relaxed approach to package maintenance.
> ---
> admin/notes/elpa | 77 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 1 file changed, 77 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/admin/notes/elpa b/admin/notes/elpa
> index afcda71d1dd..6a5f2a5c360 100644
> --- a/admin/notes/elpa
> +++ b/admin/notes/elpa
> @@ -33,3 +33,80 @@ the package.
>
> It is easy to use the elpa branch to deploy a "local" copy of the
> package archive. For details, see the README file in the elpa branch.
> +
> +* Contributing to externally hosted packages
> +
> +Some GNU ELPA packages are primarily developed in external repositories
> +(e.g., on GitHub, GitLab, or similar platforms). If you maintain such
> +a package, it=E2=80=99s important to help contributors understand the
> +requirements for contributing, especially when it comes to copyright
> +assignment to the Free Software Foundation (FSF). Here=E2=80=99s what y=
ou can
> +do:
Please don't use the =E2=80=99 code point (0x2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MA=
RK);
use the ' code point (0x27 APOSTROPHE) instead. This is for
consistency.
BTW, which Emacs mode are you editing this in to automatically insert
0x2019? Here, I usually only get that character in Emacs when I have copie=
d
from other software, such as an LLM, or when I copy from *Help* buffers
or *Messages* (where it's inserted automatically).
> +1. Include clear contribution guidelines in your repository
> + If you include a README or CONTRIBUTING file in your external
> + repository, consider adding the following:
> + - A notice that the package is distributed through GNU ELPA.
> + - A statement that contributors must assign copyright for their
> + contributions to the FSF if the contribution is significant
> + (e.g., more than a few lines of code, following the fifteen-line
> + thumb-rule).
Clarify what is the "fifteen-line thumb-rule" here.
> + - For complete information, see the CONTRIBUTE file in the Emacs
> + repository.
> +
> +2. Handling contributions requiring copyright assignment
> + When a contributor submits a pull request or patch that requires
> + copyright assignment:
> + - Acknowledge the contribution: Thank the contributor and let them
> + know that their contribution will need to go through the FSF=E2=80=
=99s
> + copyright assignment process before it can be merged.
> + - Explain the process: Provide the contributor with clear
> + instructions on how to complete the copyright assignment process.
> + This typically involves:
> + - Filling out the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright assignment form.
> + - Sending the signed form to the FSF.
> + - Waiting for confirmation from the FSF that the assignment has
> + been processed.
Instead of "typically", say "always".
> + - Point to resources: Direct the contributor to the FSF=E2=80=99s cop=
yright
> + assignment page for more information:
> + https://www.fsf.org/licensing/assigning.html
The bullet point headings "Acknowledge the contribution", "Explain the
process", "Point to resources" can be taken out.
> +3. Consult with GNU ELPA administrators
> + If you=E2=80=99re unsure whether a contribution requires copyright
> + assignment or how to handle a specific case:
> + - Reach out to the GNU ELPA administrators by emailing
> + emacs-devel@HIDDEN
> + - Provide details about the contribution (e.g., the size of the
> + patch, the contributor=E2=80=99s contact information, and any relev=
ant
> + context).
Change "contact information" to "email address". We don't need or want
more specific information than that.
> +4. Merging contributions
> + Once the contributor has completed the copyright assignment process
> + and you=E2=80=99ve received confirmation from the FSF:
> + - Merge the contribution into your external repository. Note that
> + repositories under `elpa.git` should not be modified directly by
> + Emacs developers, as their upstreams are not expected to merge
> + changes made there. Instead, contributions should be made to the
> + external repository and then synchronized with `elpa.git`.
Yes.
> + However, if the upstream development appears to have stagnated and
> + the maintainers are unreachable, the GNU ELPA administrators may
> + commit changes directly to `elpa.git` to ensure the package remains
> + functional and up-to-date.
This is not our process in that case. We would reach out to upstream,
look for a new maintainer, etc. IOW, many other steps become relevant
before we take that drastic step.
In particular, we would always set `:url nil` first.
> + - In exceptional cases, minor local changes may be made directly in
> + `elpa.git` (e.g., to adapt the package to the ELPA environment).
> + However, these changes will not be reflected in the upstream
> + repository and should be kept to a minimum.
I wouldn't mention this here. "Be kept to a minimum" is a bit
misleading, since AFAIK this has never happened. If we should say
anything, we should say that.
> + - Make sure to credit the contributor in the commit history.
> + - If applicable, update the AUTHORS or THANKS file in your
> + repository to acknowledge their contribution.
Fair enough, but do we really need to repeat that?
> +5. Maintaining compliance
> + - It=E2=80=99s a good idea to periodically review your repository=E2=
=80=99s
> + contribution guidelines to keep them up-to-date and aligned with
> + GNU ELPA policies.
What would this look like? I'm not aware that any maintainer is doing
specific review work besides what happens when new contributors show up.
> + - Stay in touch with the GNU ELPA administrators to address any
> + questions or concerns about contributions and copyright assignment.
I'm even less sure what this might concretely look like.
> +By following these steps, you can help ensure that contributions to your
> +externally hosted package are handled in a way that complies with GNU
> +ELPA policies and respects the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright requirements.
I'm not sure what this paragraph specifically adds.
In general, I'm not sure about the intended target audience for this
documentation. The documentation in admin/notes is usually directed at
people maintaining Emacs, while documentation directed at package
maintainers usually go to elpa.git/README (and related files).
Maybe we should keep only the small note that boils down to:
Don't commit changes directly to packages in GNU ELPA without
checking first that they have :url nil.
And related explanations.
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Fri, 21 Mar 2025 07:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fedora ([190.6.17.138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 71dfb90a1353d-525a766e5f2sm401740e0c.40.2025.03.21.07.12.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 21 Mar 2025 07:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> To: 76925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#76925: [PATCH] admin/notes/elpa: Add note on contributing to external packages User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 10:12:44 -0400 Message-ID: <87tt7mbhgj.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76925 Cc: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN>, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> writes: > Updated patch incorporating feedback: > > - Adjusted tone to be more collaborative. > - Clarified GNU ELPA admins' role in upstream stagnation. > - Ensured consistent sentence case in headings. > > Please review and suggest further improvements. > > Thanks, > David D. > > From 09842ebfbf8b123351bdec9c05e4aedff7ab640d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: dimagid <dimagidve@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:39:40 -0400 > Subject: [PATCH Bug#76925] Add note about externally hosted packages to > admin/notes/elpa > > This commit adds a section to admin/notes/elpa documenting best practices > for maintaining externally hosted GNU ELPA packages. It covers contribut= ion > guidelines, copyright assignment, and synchronization with elpa.git, while > emphasizing a collaborative and relaxed approach to package maintenance. > --- > admin/notes/elpa | 77 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > 1 file changed, 77 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/admin/notes/elpa b/admin/notes/elpa > index afcda71d1dd..6a5f2a5c360 100644 > --- a/admin/notes/elpa > +++ b/admin/notes/elpa > @@ -33,3 +33,80 @@ the package. >=20=20 > It is easy to use the elpa branch to deploy a "local" copy of the > package archive. For details, see the README file in the elpa branch. > + > +* Contributing to externally hosted packages > + > +Some GNU ELPA packages are primarily developed in external repositories > +(e.g., on GitHub, GitLab, or similar platforms). If you maintain such > +a package, it=E2=80=99s important to help contributors understand the > +requirements for contributing, especially when it comes to copyright > +assignment to the Free Software Foundation (FSF). Here=E2=80=99s what y= ou can > +do: > + > +1. Include clear contribution guidelines in your repository > + If you include a README or CONTRIBUTING file in your external > + repository, consider adding the following: > + - A notice that the package is distributed through GNU ELPA. > + - A statement that contributors must assign copyright for their > + contributions to the FSF if the contribution is significant > + (e.g., more than a few lines of code, following the fifteen-line > + thumb-rule). > + - For complete information, see the CONTRIBUTE file in the Emacs > + repository. > + > +2. Handling contributions requiring copyright assignment > + When a contributor submits a pull request or patch that requires > + copyright assignment: > + - Acknowledge the contribution: Thank the contributor and let them > + know that their contribution will need to go through the FSF=E2=80= =99s > + copyright assignment process before it can be merged. > + - Explain the process: Provide the contributor with clear > + instructions on how to complete the copyright assignment process. > + This typically involves: > + - Filling out the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright assignment form. > + - Sending the signed form to the FSF. > + - Waiting for confirmation from the FSF that the assignment has > + been processed. > + - Point to resources: Direct the contributor to the FSF=E2=80=99s cop= yright > + assignment page for more information: > + https://www.fsf.org/licensing/assigning.html > + > +3. Consult with GNU ELPA administrators > + If you=E2=80=99re unsure whether a contribution requires copyright > + assignment or how to handle a specific case: > + - Reach out to the GNU ELPA administrators by emailing > + emacs-devel@HIDDEN > + - Provide details about the contribution (e.g., the size of the > + patch, the contributor=E2=80=99s contact information, and any relev= ant > + context). > + > +4. Merging contributions > + Once the contributor has completed the copyright assignment process > + and you=E2=80=99ve received confirmation from the FSF: > + - Merge the contribution into your external repository. Note that > + repositories under `elpa.git` should not be modified directly by > + Emacs developers, as their upstreams are not expected to merge > + changes made there. Instead, contributions should be made to the > + external repository and then synchronized with `elpa.git`. > + However, if the upstream development appears to have stagnated and > + the maintainers are unreachable, the GNU ELPA administrators may > + commit changes directly to `elpa.git` to ensure the package remains > + functional and up-to-date. > + - In exceptional cases, minor local changes may be made directly in > + `elpa.git` (e.g., to adapt the package to the ELPA environment). > + However, these changes will not be reflected in the upstream > + repository and should be kept to a minimum. > + - Make sure to credit the contributor in the commit history. > + - If applicable, update the AUTHORS or THANKS file in your > + repository to acknowledge their contribution. > + > +5. Maintaining compliance > + - It=E2=80=99s a good idea to periodically review your repository=E2= =80=99s > + contribution guidelines to keep them up-to-date and aligned with > + GNU ELPA policies. > + - Stay in touch with the GNU ELPA administrators to address any > + questions or concerns about contributions and copyright assignment. > + > +By following these steps, you can help ensure that contributions to your > +externally hosted package are handled in a way that complies with GNU > +ELPA policies and respects the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright requirements. Hello everyone, I wanted to check if there=E2=80=99s any feedback on this PATCH. It was upd= ated on the 12th of this month, incorporating previous recommendations and suggestions, but I haven=E2=80=99t received any further comments since then. Could you let me know what steps are needed to move forward with incorporating this change? Thank you in advance!
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Wed, 12 Mar 2025 05:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#76925: [PATCH] admin/notes/elpa: Add note on contributing to external packages In-Reply-To: <877c4v46ye.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87cyeprqdp.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=aNPWDbCy_78hmKvY=v0f+apqwJVQeVvgoub8iEbk3gA@HIDDEN> <86ikofdb3o.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnfeMK7LGBPDmqjCobs-Dn1qyZm=kZntWR=jYs5UOTEuw@HIDDEN> <86senjbsje.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bju78sz8.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c4v46ye.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 08:06:23 -0400 Message-ID: <87a59qihc0.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76925 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 76925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes: > > (A general comment on the tone makes this sound more micro-managey than > I think is necessary. IMO it is better to have a relaxed atmosphere > than having it sound too "corporate" for lack of a better word.) Updated patch incorporating feedback: - Adjusted tone to be more collaborative. - Clarified GNU ELPA admins' role in upstream stagnation. - Ensured consistent sentence case in headings. Please review and suggest further improvements. Thanks, David D. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-Add-note-about-externally-hosted-packages-to-admin-n.patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: V2. Add note on contributing to external packages From 09842ebfbf8b123351bdec9c05e4aedff7ab640d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: dimagid <dimagidve@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:39:40 -0400 Subject: [PATCH Bug#76925] Add note about externally hosted packages to admin/notes/elpa This commit adds a section to admin/notes/elpa documenting best practices for maintaining externally hosted GNU ELPA packages. It covers contribution guidelines, copyright assignment, and synchronization with elpa.git, while emphasizing a collaborative and relaxed approach to package maintenance. --- admin/notes/elpa | 77 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 77 insertions(+) diff --git a/admin/notes/elpa b/admin/notes/elpa index afcda71d1dd..6a5f2a5c360 100644 --- a/admin/notes/elpa +++ b/admin/notes/elpa @@ -33,3 +33,80 @@ the package. =20 It is easy to use the elpa branch to deploy a "local" copy of the package archive. For details, see the README file in the elpa branch. + +* Contributing to externally hosted packages + +Some GNU ELPA packages are primarily developed in external repositories +(e.g., on GitHub, GitLab, or similar platforms). If you maintain such +a package, it=E2=80=99s important to help contributors understand the +requirements for contributing, especially when it comes to copyright +assignment to the Free Software Foundation (FSF). Here=E2=80=99s what you= can +do: + +1. Include clear contribution guidelines in your repository + If you include a README or CONTRIBUTING file in your external + repository, consider adding the following: + - A notice that the package is distributed through GNU ELPA. + - A statement that contributors must assign copyright for their + contributions to the FSF if the contribution is significant + (e.g., more than a few lines of code, following the fifteen-line + thumb-rule). + - For complete information, see the CONTRIBUTE file in the Emacs + repository. + +2. Handling contributions requiring copyright assignment + When a contributor submits a pull request or patch that requires + copyright assignment: + - Acknowledge the contribution: Thank the contributor and let them + know that their contribution will need to go through the FSF=E2=80=99s + copyright assignment process before it can be merged. + - Explain the process: Provide the contributor with clear + instructions on how to complete the copyright assignment process. + This typically involves: + - Filling out the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright assignment form. + - Sending the signed form to the FSF. + - Waiting for confirmation from the FSF that the assignment has + been processed. + - Point to resources: Direct the contributor to the FSF=E2=80=99s copyr= ight + assignment page for more information: + https://www.fsf.org/licensing/assigning.html + +3. Consult with GNU ELPA administrators + If you=E2=80=99re unsure whether a contribution requires copyright + assignment or how to handle a specific case: + - Reach out to the GNU ELPA administrators by emailing + emacs-devel@HIDDEN + - Provide details about the contribution (e.g., the size of the + patch, the contributor=E2=80=99s contact information, and any relevant + context). + +4. Merging contributions + Once the contributor has completed the copyright assignment process + and you=E2=80=99ve received confirmation from the FSF: + - Merge the contribution into your external repository. Note that + repositories under `elpa.git` should not be modified directly by + Emacs developers, as their upstreams are not expected to merge + changes made there. Instead, contributions should be made to the + external repository and then synchronized with `elpa.git`. + However, if the upstream development appears to have stagnated and + the maintainers are unreachable, the GNU ELPA administrators may + commit changes directly to `elpa.git` to ensure the package remains + functional and up-to-date. + - In exceptional cases, minor local changes may be made directly in + `elpa.git` (e.g., to adapt the package to the ELPA environment). + However, these changes will not be reflected in the upstream + repository and should be kept to a minimum. + - Make sure to credit the contributor in the commit history. + - If applicable, update the AUTHORS or THANKS file in your + repository to acknowledge their contribution. + +5. Maintaining compliance + - It=E2=80=99s a good idea to periodically review your repository=E2=80= =99s + contribution guidelines to keep them up-to-date and aligned with + GNU ELPA policies. + - Stay in touch with the GNU ELPA administrators to address any + questions or concerns about contributions and copyright assignment. + +By following these steps, you can help ensure that contributions to your +externally hosted package are handled in a way that complies with GNU +ELPA policies and respects the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright requirements. --=20 2.48.1 --=-=-=--
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Tue, 11 Mar 2025 14:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#76925: [PATCH] admin/notes/elpa: Add note on contributing to external packages In-Reply-To: <877c4v46ye.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87cyeprqdp.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=aNPWDbCy_78hmKvY=v0f+apqwJVQeVvgoub8iEbk3gA@HIDDEN> <86ikofdb3o.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnfeMK7LGBPDmqjCobs-Dn1qyZm=kZntWR=jYs5UOTEuw@HIDDEN> <86senjbsje.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bju78sz8.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c4v46ye.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 17:50:23 -0400 Message-ID: <87r033w82o.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76925 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 20:41:33 -0400 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 76925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes: > david <davidimagid@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >>>> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> >>>> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 08:40:46 -0400 >>>> Cc: 76925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, davidimagid@HIDDEN, philipk@HIDDEN,= =20 >>>> monnier@HIDDEN >>>>=20 >>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >>>>=20 >>>> >> Cc: david <davidimagid@HIDDEN>, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@poste= o.net>, >>>> >> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> >>>> >> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> >>>> >> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 12:15:48 -0700 >>>> >> >>>> >> I'm forwarding this from emacs-devel so that we don't lose track of= it. >>>> > >>>> > Is ELPA documentation exempt from our convention to use US English? >>>>=20 >>>> AFAIK, no. >>> >>> Then there a few nits to be fixed in that text. Like two spaces >>> between sentences. >> >> Hi, >> >> This patch fixes the issue described in Bug#76925 by clarifying the >> guidelines for contributing to externally hosted packages in GNU ELPA.= =20=20 >> The changes include: >> >> 1. Added two spaces after periods for better readability. >> 2. Clarified the process for making local changes in `elpa.git`. >> >> Please review and let me know if any further changes are needed. >> >> Thanks, >> David D. >> >> From 4970c30be128f9806edd8d14dff82103edf49264 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 >> From: dimagid <dimagidve@HIDDEN> >> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:39:40 -0400 >> Subject: [PATCH Bug#76925] Add note about externally hosted packages to >> admin/notes/elpa >> >> --- >> admin/notes/elpa | 71 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> 1 file changed, 71 insertions(+) >> >> diff --git a/admin/notes/elpa b/admin/notes/elpa >> index afcda71d1dd..c6debf4bfce 100644 >> --- a/admin/notes/elpa >> +++ b/admin/notes/elpa >> @@ -33,3 +33,74 @@ the package. >>=20=20 >> It is easy to use the elpa branch to deploy a "local" copy of the >> package archive. For details, see the README file in the elpa branch. >> + >> +* Contributing to Externally Hosted Packages >> + >> +Some GNU ELPA packages are primarily developed in external repositories >> +(e.g., on GitHub, GitLab, or similar platforms). If you maintain such >> +a package, it is important to ensure that contributors understand the >> +requirements for contributing, especially when it comes to copyright >> +assignment to the Free Software Foundation (FSF). Here=E2=80=99s what = you need >> +to do: >> + >> +1. Include Clear Contribution Guidelines in Your Repository >> + Ensure your external repository's README or CONTRIBUTING file > > Why is this partially title-cased? > >> + includes the following: >> + - A notice that the package is distributed through GNU ELPA. >> + - A statement that contributors must assign copyright for their >> + contributions to the FSF, if the contribution is significant >> + (e.g., more than a few lines of code). >> + - For complete information, see the CONTRIBUTE file in the Emacs >> + repository. > > Also, this is not a requirement. There is no need for any README file > at all, and I don't think we should force people to have them. > Ok I can fix that. >> + >> +2. Handling Contributions Requiring Copyright Assignment >> + When a contributor submits a pull request or patch that requires >> + copyright assignment: >> + - Acknowledge the Contribution: Thank the contributor and let them >> + know that their contribution will need to go through the FSF=E2=80= =99s >> + copyright assignment process before it can be merged. >> + - Explain the Process: Provide the contributor with clear >> + instructions on how to complete the copyright assignment process. >> + This typically involves: >> + - Filling out the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright assignment form. >> + - Sending the signed form to the FSF. >> + - Waiting for confirmation from the FSF that the assignment has >> + been processed. >> + - Point to Resources: Direct the contributor to the FSF=E2=80=99s co= pyright >> + assignment page for more information: >> + https://www.fsf.org/licensing/assigning.html > > I would mention the fifteen-line thumb-rule for "significance of a > contribution" somewhere here. > I can also include this. >> + >> +3. Consult with GNU ELPA Administrators >> + If you are unsure whether a contribution requires copyright >> + assignment or how to handle a specific case: >> + - Consult with the GNU ELPA administrators by emailing >> + emacs-devel@HIDDEN >> + - Provide details about the contribution (e.g., the size of the >> + patch, the contributor=E2=80=99s contact information, and any rele= vant >> + context). >> + >> +4. Merging Contributions >> + Once the contributor has completed the copyright assignment process >> + and you have received confirmation from the FSF: >> + - Merge the contribution into your external repository. Note that >> + repositories under `elpa.git` should not be modified directly by >> + Emacs developers, as their upstreams are not expected to merge >> + changes made there. Instead, contributions should be made to the >> + external repository and then synchronized with `elpa.git`. > > Should we clarify that the ELPA administrators might commit to the > repository if the upstream development appears to have stagnated and is > not reachable? > The original PATCH didn't address this. The ELPA README mentions it briefly, but on emacs-devel, I was advised to include a reference to it here. >> + - In exceptional cases, minor local changes may be made directly in >> + `elpa.git` (e.g., to adapt the package to the ELPA environment). >> + However, these changes will not be reflected in the upstream >> + repository and should be kept to a minimum. >> + - Ensure the contributor is properly credited in the commit history. >> + - If applicable, update the AUTHORS or THANKS file in your >> + repository to acknowledge their contribution. >> + >> +5. Maintaining Compliance >> + - Periodically review your repository=E2=80=99s contribution guideli= nes to >> + ensure they are up-to-date and align with GNU ELPA policies. >> + - Stay in touch with the GNU ELPA administrators to address any >> + questions or concerns about contributions and copyright assignment. >> + >> +By following these steps, you can ensure that contributions to your >> +externally hosted package are handled in a way that complies with >> +GNU ELPA policies and respects the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright requirements. > > (A general comment on the tone makes this sound more micro-managey than > I think is necessary. IMO it is better to have a relaxed atmosphere > than having it sound too "corporate" for lack of a better word.) Hi Philip, I proposed this patch after receiving a pull request for my recently published ELPA package=E2=80=94a minor typo fix. This made me wonder: what = if a significant contribution comes from an unknown developer? I checked the ELPA README and the document I'm patching but found no explicit guidance. While I know that ELPA contributors must sign the FSF copyright assignment for substantial code changes, I believe we should provide clearer instructions for handling external contributions, especially for authors and maintainers looking to publish new packages on GNU ELPA. However, ELPA code can transition to the core with minimal friction. This is why I propose clarifying these details in the patch wording, and why I included this in the Emacs developer notes.
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Like two spaces >> between sentences. > > Hi, > > This patch fixes the issue described in Bug#76925 by clarifying the > guidelines for contributing to externally hosted packages in GNU ELPA.=20= =20 > The changes include: > > 1. Added two spaces after periods for better readability. > 2. Clarified the process for making local changes in `elpa.git`. > > Please review and let me know if any further changes are needed. > > Thanks, > David D. > > From 4970c30be128f9806edd8d14dff82103edf49264 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: dimagid <dimagidve@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:39:40 -0400 > Subject: [PATCH Bug#76925] Add note about externally hosted packages to > admin/notes/elpa > > --- > admin/notes/elpa | 71 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > 1 file changed, 71 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/admin/notes/elpa b/admin/notes/elpa > index afcda71d1dd..c6debf4bfce 100644 > --- a/admin/notes/elpa > +++ b/admin/notes/elpa > @@ -33,3 +33,74 @@ the package. >=20=20 > It is easy to use the elpa branch to deploy a "local" copy of the > package archive. For details, see the README file in the elpa branch. > + > +* Contributing to Externally Hosted Packages > + > +Some GNU ELPA packages are primarily developed in external repositories > +(e.g., on GitHub, GitLab, or similar platforms). If you maintain such > +a package, it is important to ensure that contributors understand the > +requirements for contributing, especially when it comes to copyright > +assignment to the Free Software Foundation (FSF). Here=E2=80=99s what y= ou need > +to do: > + > +1. Include Clear Contribution Guidelines in Your Repository > + Ensure your external repository's README or CONTRIBUTING file Why is this partially title-cased? > + includes the following: > + - A notice that the package is distributed through GNU ELPA. > + - A statement that contributors must assign copyright for their > + contributions to the FSF, if the contribution is significant > + (e.g., more than a few lines of code). > + - For complete information, see the CONTRIBUTE file in the Emacs > + repository. Also, this is not a requirement. There is no need for any README file at all, and I don't think we should force people to have them. > + > +2. Handling Contributions Requiring Copyright Assignment > + When a contributor submits a pull request or patch that requires > + copyright assignment: > + - Acknowledge the Contribution: Thank the contributor and let them > + know that their contribution will need to go through the FSF=E2=80= =99s > + copyright assignment process before it can be merged. > + - Explain the Process: Provide the contributor with clear > + instructions on how to complete the copyright assignment process. > + This typically involves: > + - Filling out the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright assignment form. > + - Sending the signed form to the FSF. > + - Waiting for confirmation from the FSF that the assignment has > + been processed. > + - Point to Resources: Direct the contributor to the FSF=E2=80=99s cop= yright > + assignment page for more information: > + https://www.fsf.org/licensing/assigning.html I would mention the fifteen-line thumb-rule for "significance of a contribution" somewhere here. > + > +3. Consult with GNU ELPA Administrators > + If you are unsure whether a contribution requires copyright > + assignment or how to handle a specific case: > + - Consult with the GNU ELPA administrators by emailing > + emacs-devel@HIDDEN > + - Provide details about the contribution (e.g., the size of the > + patch, the contributor=E2=80=99s contact information, and any relev= ant > + context). > + > +4. Merging Contributions > + Once the contributor has completed the copyright assignment process > + and you have received confirmation from the FSF: > + - Merge the contribution into your external repository. Note that > + repositories under `elpa.git` should not be modified directly by > + Emacs developers, as their upstreams are not expected to merge > + changes made there. Instead, contributions should be made to the > + external repository and then synchronized with `elpa.git`. Should we clarify that the ELPA administrators might commit to the repository if the upstream development appears to have stagnated and is not reachable? > + - In exceptional cases, minor local changes may be made directly in > + `elpa.git` (e.g., to adapt the package to the ELPA environment). > + However, these changes will not be reflected in the upstream > + repository and should be kept to a minimum. > + - Ensure the contributor is properly credited in the commit history. > + - If applicable, update the AUTHORS or THANKS file in your > + repository to acknowledge their contribution. > + > +5. Maintaining Compliance > + - Periodically review your repository=E2=80=99s contribution guidelin= es to > + ensure they are up-to-date and align with GNU ELPA policies. > + - Stay in touch with the GNU ELPA administrators to address any > + questions or concerns about contributions and copyright assignment. > + > +By following these steps, you can ensure that contributions to your > +externally hosted package are handled in a way that complies with > +GNU ELPA policies and respects the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright requirements. (A general comment on the tone makes this sound more micro-managey than I think is necessary. IMO it is better to have a relaxed atmosphere than having it sound too "corporate" for lack of a better word.)
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 08:40:46 -0400
>> Cc: 76925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, davidimagid@HIDDEN, philipk@HIDDEN,
>> monnier@HIDDEN
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> >> Cc: david <davidimagid@HIDDEN>, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>,
>> >> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
>> >> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
>> >> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 12:15:48 -0700
>> >>
>> >> I'm forwarding this from emacs-devel so that we don't lose track of it.
>> >
>> > Is ELPA documentation exempt from our convention to use US English?
>>
>> AFAIK, no.
>
> Then there a few nits to be fixed in that text. Like two spaces
> between sentences.
Hi,
This patch fixes the issue described in Bug#76925 by clarifying the
guidelines for contributing to externally hosted packages in GNU ELPA.
The changes include:
1. Added two spaces after periods for better readability.
2. Clarified the process for making local changes in `elpa.git`.
Please review and let me know if any further changes are needed.
Thanks,
David D.
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From 4970c30be128f9806edd8d14dff82103edf49264 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: dimagid <dimagidve@HIDDEN>
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:39:40 -0400
Subject: [PATCH Bug#76925] Add note about externally hosted packages to
admin/notes/elpa
---
admin/notes/elpa | 71 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 file changed, 71 insertions(+)
diff --git a/admin/notes/elpa b/admin/notes/elpa
index afcda71d1dd..c6debf4bfce 100644
--- a/admin/notes/elpa
+++ b/admin/notes/elpa
@@ -33,3 +33,74 @@ the package.
=20
It is easy to use the elpa branch to deploy a "local" copy of the
package archive. For details, see the README file in the elpa branch.
+
+* Contributing to Externally Hosted Packages
+
+Some GNU ELPA packages are primarily developed in external repositories
+(e.g., on GitHub, GitLab, or similar platforms). If you maintain such
+a package, it is important to ensure that contributors understand the
+requirements for contributing, especially when it comes to copyright
+assignment to the Free Software Foundation (FSF). Here=E2=80=99s what you=
need
+to do:
+
+1. Include Clear Contribution Guidelines in Your Repository
+ Ensure your external repository's README or CONTRIBUTING file
+ includes the following:
+ - A notice that the package is distributed through GNU ELPA.
+ - A statement that contributors must assign copyright for their
+ contributions to the FSF, if the contribution is significant
+ (e.g., more than a few lines of code).
+ - For complete information, see the CONTRIBUTE file in the Emacs
+ repository.
+
+2. Handling Contributions Requiring Copyright Assignment
+ When a contributor submits a pull request or patch that requires
+ copyright assignment:
+ - Acknowledge the Contribution: Thank the contributor and let them
+ know that their contribution will need to go through the FSF=E2=80=99s
+ copyright assignment process before it can be merged.
+ - Explain the Process: Provide the contributor with clear
+ instructions on how to complete the copyright assignment process.
+ This typically involves:
+ - Filling out the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright assignment form.
+ - Sending the signed form to the FSF.
+ - Waiting for confirmation from the FSF that the assignment has
+ been processed.
+ - Point to Resources: Direct the contributor to the FSF=E2=80=99s copyr=
ight
+ assignment page for more information:
+ https://www.fsf.org/licensing/assigning.html
+
+3. Consult with GNU ELPA Administrators
+ If you are unsure whether a contribution requires copyright
+ assignment or how to handle a specific case:
+ - Consult with the GNU ELPA administrators by emailing
+ emacs-devel@HIDDEN
+ - Provide details about the contribution (e.g., the size of the
+ patch, the contributor=E2=80=99s contact information, and any relevant
+ context).
+
+4. Merging Contributions
+ Once the contributor has completed the copyright assignment process
+ and you have received confirmation from the FSF:
+ - Merge the contribution into your external repository. Note that
+ repositories under `elpa.git` should not be modified directly by
+ Emacs developers, as their upstreams are not expected to merge
+ changes made there. Instead, contributions should be made to the
+ external repository and then synchronized with `elpa.git`.
+ - In exceptional cases, minor local changes may be made directly in
+ `elpa.git` (e.g., to adapt the package to the ELPA environment).
+ However, these changes will not be reflected in the upstream
+ repository and should be kept to a minimum.
+ - Ensure the contributor is properly credited in the commit history.
+ - If applicable, update the AUTHORS or THANKS file in your
+ repository to acknowledge their contribution.
+
+5. Maintaining Compliance
+ - Periodically review your repository=E2=80=99s contribution guidelines=
to
+ ensure they are up-to-date and align with GNU ELPA policies.
+ - Stay in touch with the GNU ELPA administrators to address any
+ questions or concerns about contributions and copyright assignment.
+
+By following these steps, you can ensure that contributions to your
+externally hosted package are handled in a way that complies with
+GNU ELPA policies and respects the FSF=E2=80=99s copyright requirements.
--=20
2.48.1
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Hi,
This patch fixes the issue described in Bug#76925 by clarifying the
guidelines for contributing to externally hosted packages in GNU ELPA.
The changes include:
1. Added two spaces after periods for better readability.
2. Clarified the process for making local changes in `elpa.git`.
Please review and let me know if any further changes are needed.
Thanks,
David D.
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