Received: (at 76926) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2025 21:13:17 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 10 17:13:16 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40160 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1trkR2-0004A9-F1 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:13:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48408) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <matsl@HIDDEN>) id 1trkQz-00049s-Da for 76926 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:13:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <matsl@HIDDEN>) id 1trkQr-0006b8-On; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:13:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=pPDJ6t7SAmP5YDJHkgUGgc5wDpuVVnijIlW2cfbP8bI=; b=MdHDGPPhomqRaeigWiRJ 3ZBGKGOTgKGXjelbfyeRT9m5WI7dmGLfOTwj4p3a2U4roizT+0bxZOaW0yKZSuT5+ENBWeDCr/pUa Krgg3Tj1GnNNxMEeUJZ7evjtYJSZJOQoVv59pT5dg+k2ijs/ayvqPLLq2l0fIx5wiPIPhxRTqTD5I M4ZLFmGNCB0gLBIOrt2Vhq0IkahavHQ7n5IqO+uNcVdpIi3fXt41e0IquFJGRYuBWHhDfTCOj5J3A CL8M9RdFmzpuvuFhC3NwdSFXpzt+T0vGBkwJnq+Hx+t4yc+Y10dRMvecyH2fJRKIoCmSg5SlNKJyI vml2bx7mLt/3vQ==; From: Mats Lidell <matsl@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#76926: 31.0.50; Hyperbole tarball bloat In-Reply-To: <jwvsenkadw5.fsf-monnier+@gnu.org> References: <jwvsenkadw5.fsf-monnier+@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 22:12:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87bju8wpwr.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76926 Cc: Robert Weiner <rsw@HIDDEN>, 76926 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi Stefan, > Stefan Monnier writes: > Package: Emacs > Version: 31.0.50 > > > The current Hyperbole code is a bit less than 3MB of ELisp code, but the > resulting tarball in GNU ELPA is more than 20MB. > > Skipping the worst offenders > > *.eps > *.pdf > *.html > HY-TALK/improve-performance.png > man/im/wgrid4x3.png > > would bring it down to about a third of the current size, but I suggest > you think about which of the files in the Git could be skipped in the > tarball (e.g. because they're only useful for the website) or even > completely removed from Git (like `man/im/wgrid[34]*.png` files which > don't seem to be used for anything, or the non-source files like > `hyperbole.pdf` or the `.eps` files which could be replaced by > appropriate Makefile rules). Point taken. We'll see how we can clean git from big files. The tarball is built with the idea that users would get everything needed without having any extra tools nor to be required to run any make targets. That might be an old fashioned goal these days and users are bettered served by fetching things from the net. Especially if we already provide those through different channels. > There's no point skipping small files, so usually I encourage package > maintainers to include pretty much everything, but here I think we went > a bit overboard. > On a related note, have you tried to use `x-export-frames` to generate > screenshots in PDF or SVG format? It might (should?) lead to images > that are more compact than `wgrid4x3.png` while giving a higher quality > rendering. No, we have not tried that. I did not know that was available. Thanks for the suggestion. (So many things in Emacs I learn new stuff every day ;-) I will take a look what can be done about the images. They might need regeneration anyway with next release due to things have changed since we produced them. We can try to make them more compact when we update them. > Also, I see there's a `man/hyperbole.texi` but the current package's > spec doesn't specify any manual. I guess we should add > > :doc "man/hyperbole.texi" > > right? [ That would auto-generate `hyperbole.info` and `dir` files so > users who install your packages get it in `M-x info`, as well as add an > HTML rendering of that same manual over at > https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/hyperbole.html. You don't need to > include `hyperbole.html` and `dir` and `hyperbole.info` in the Git for that. ] I think our current solution also works in making Hyperbole available in info. But if we can get the necessary files generated, using the standard machinery, there would be less to ship. Thanks for the suggestion. Yours -- %% Mats
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Package: Emacs
Version: 31.0.50
The current Hyperbole code is a bit less than 3MB of ELisp code, but the
resulting tarball in GNU ELPA is more than 20MB.
Skipping the worst offenders
*.eps
*.pdf
*.html
HY-TALK/improve-performance.png
man/im/wgrid4x3.png
would bring it down to about a third of the current size, but I suggest
you think about which of the files in the Git could be skipped in the
tarball (e.g. because they're only useful for the website) or even
completely removed from Git (like `man/im/wgrid[34]*.png` files which
don't seem to be used for anything, or the non-source files like
`hyperbole.pdf` or the `.eps` files which could be replaced by
appropriate Makefile rules).
There's no point skipping small files, so usually I encourage package
maintainers to include pretty much everything, but here I think we went
a bit overboard.
On a related note, have you tried to use `x-export-frames` to generate
screenshots in PDF or SVG format? It might (should?) lead to images
that are more compact than `wgrid4x3.png` while giving a higher quality
rendering.
Also, I see there's a `man/hyperbole.texi` but the current package's
spec doesn't specify any manual. I guess we should add
:doc "man/hyperbole.texi"
right? [ That would auto-generate `hyperbole.info` and `dir` files so
users who install your packages get it in `M-x info`, as well as add an
HTML rendering of that same manual over at
https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/hyperbole.html. You don't need to
include `hyperbole.html` and `dir` and `hyperbole.info` in the Git for that. ]
Stefan
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