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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 43553200cf9c1b357e2307d5d8e52821; Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:09:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: "Johannes C. Mayer" <j.c.mayer240@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77099: 30.1; Feature Request: Handle Android Keyboard input with Ctrl and Meta Keys correctly In-Reply-To: <CAJWac-vOsQV3QafBYZ9ZZVa5AVY+Yuz-T5jp_D1=cKS_Z7B_sQ@HIDDEN> References: <CAJWac-vOsQV3QafBYZ9ZZVa5AVY+Yuz-T5jp_D1=cKS_Z7B_sQ@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:09:32 +0800 Message-ID: <87cyedygfn.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.23435 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1517 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77099 Cc: 77099 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 77099 notabug close 77099 thanks "Johannes C. Mayer" <j.c.mayer240@HIDDEN> writes: > Motivation: Having Meta and Ctrl available on the virtual keyboard > seems much superior than showing control keys in the tab bar. > > There are Android keyboards that support Alt and Ctrl keys. The > problem is that typing M-! on such a keyboard (I only tested > Unexpected Keyboard) does not actually work as expected. However > e.g. M-@ works as expected. > > Please see this github issue for more: https://github.com/Julow/Unexpected-Keyboard/issues/921 > > Summary of the Issue so far: > According to the author of Unexpected Keyboard this is due to a > limitation in Android (and therefore likely any virtual keyboard with > control keys would run into this issue). Iit seems to be the kind of > limitation where you can work around the issue by adding a small bit > of code to the input handling logic in Emacs. The "bit of code" suggested by the author will interfere with the reporting of keyboard meta state in keypresses generated from physical keyboards, when a modifier key is depressed but only released after the input focus is removed from Emacs--or the converse. Please inform the authors of this virtual keyboard that his program should generate keycodes for keys that produce characters such as '!' (rather than futilely searching for keycodes that produce these characters alone) and any modifier bits necessary to produce them. (E.g., M-! should produce M-S-1.) This isn't a bug in Emacs, sorry.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77099; Package emacs.
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Mayer wrote: > Note that it is possible to work around, at least for the Meta key, by > pressing the escape key instead of the meta key (which is also a key on > Unexpected Keyboard). You can also add any modifier to a key with the `C-x @' bindings. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@HIDDEN GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different."
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There are Android keyboards that support Alt and Ctrl keys. The problem is that typing M-! on such a keyboard (I only tested Unexpected Keyboard) does not actually work as expected. However e.g. M-@ works as expected. Please see this github issue for more: https://github.com/Julow/Unexpected-Keyboard/issues/921 Summary of the Issue so far: According to the author of Unexpected Keyboard this is due to a limitation in Android (and therefore likely any virtual keyboard with control keys would run into this issue). Iit seems to be the kind of limitation where you can work around the issue by adding a small bit of code to the input handling logic in Emacs. Note that it is possible to work around, at least for the Meta key, by pressing the escape key instead of the meta key (which is also a key on Unexpected Keyboard). --00000000000016e2b306309be1e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Motivation: Having Meta and Ctrl available on th= e virtual keyboard=20 seems much superior than showing control keys in the tab bar.</div></div><d= iv><br></div><div>There are Android keyboards that support Alt and Ctrl key= s. The problem is that typing M-! on such a keyboard (I only tested Unexpec= ted Keyboard) does not actually work as expected. However e.g. M-@ works as= expected.</div><div><br></div><div>Please see this github issue for more: = <a href=3D"https://github.com/Julow/Unexpected-Keyboard/issues/921">https:/= /github.com/Julow/Unexpected-Keyboard/issues/921</a></div><div><br></div><d= iv>Summary of the Issue so far:</div><div>According to the author of Unexpe= cted Keyboard this is due to a limitation in Android (and therefore likely = any virtual keyboard with control keys would run into this issue). Iit seem= s to be the kind of limitation where you can work around the issue by addin= g a small bit of code to the input handling logic in Emacs.</div><div><br><= /div><div>Note that it is possible to work around, at least for the Meta ke= y, by pressing the escape key instead of the meta key (which is also a key = on Unexpected Keyboard).</div></div> --00000000000016e2b306309be1e8--
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