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I'm trying to use eww with:

(setq eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title
       eww-readable-urls '((".*" . t)))

I'm expecting that this will result in buffer names reflecting
the titles of the HTML pages. However, what I actually see is
that all buffers get named "Untitled # EWW", made unique by
uniquify.

This seems like a bug to me.

I believe it arises because the title element of eww-data is set
to the empty string by eww--before-browse and then set to the
actual title when shr-insert-document csiteslalls the eww-tag-title
function via the shr-external-rendering-functions set in
eww-display-document.

I think that in the readable case, the content passed to
shr-insert-document does not include the title element so
it isn't available from rendering that content.

It appears to me that eww-readable preserves the title
in the eww-data plist by resetting it after calling
eww-before-browse. And in fact, if I set eww-readable-urls to
nil and go to a site, the buffer is properly named based on
the title. If I then call eww-readable, it remains named
based on the title.

The default readability based-on eww-readable-urls appears
to happen in eww-display-html, which itself calls
eww-display-document. The full document hasn't been rendered
at this point so there is no existing title to preserve.

I don't think there is a simple fix for this. The fundamental
problem is that eww only gets the title by rendering the
original document and in the case of default readable URLs
it never renders the original document. I thought it might be
possible to hack eww-score-readability to include the title
in the readable version but it appears that it is omitting the
entire head section currently, so it would need fairly
extensive changes to selectively pass through the title
without any other head elements.

Help with this would be appreciated.  Thanks!  --- Keith

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> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 11:04:49 -0700
> From: Keith Amidon <camalot@HIDDEN>
> 
> I'm trying to use eww with:
> 
> (setq eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title
>        eww-readable-urls '((".*" . t)))
> 
> I'm expecting that this will result in buffer names reflecting
> the titles of the HTML pages. However, what I actually see is
> that all buffers get named "Untitled # EWW", made unique by
> uniquify.
> 
> This seems like a bug to me.
> 
> I believe it arises because the title element of eww-data is set
> to the empty string by eww--before-browse and then set to the
> actual title when shr-insert-document csiteslalls the eww-tag-title
> function via the shr-external-rendering-functions set in
> eww-display-document.
> 
> I think that in the readable case, the content passed to
> shr-insert-document does not include the title element so
> it isn't available from rendering that content.
> 
> It appears to me that eww-readable preserves the title
> in the eww-data plist by resetting it after calling
> eww-before-browse. And in fact, if I set eww-readable-urls to
> nil and go to a site, the buffer is properly named based on
> the title. If I then call eww-readable, it remains named
> based on the title.
> 
> The default readability based-on eww-readable-urls appears
> to happen in eww-display-html, which itself calls
> eww-display-document. The full document hasn't been rendered
> at this point so there is no existing title to preserve.
> 
> I don't think there is a simple fix for this. The fundamental
> problem is that eww only gets the title by rendering the
> original document and in the case of default readable URLs
> it never renders the original document. I thought it might be
> possible to hack eww-score-readability to include the title
> in the readable version but it appears that it is omitting the
> entire head section currently, so it would need fairly
> extensive changes to selectively pass through the title
> without any other head elements.

I agree with your analysis: it's a design problem, which prevents
shr-insert-document from calling eww-tag-title, and thus the title
remains the empty string.  IOW, eww-readable-urls is currently
incompatible with eww-auto-rename-buffer, and moreover, it causes the
URL to be shown as "untitled", even if eww-auto-rename-buffer is not
used.

Hopefully, someone who knows this code and how shr.el works will be
able to come up with a solution.  One possible way is to find the
title before calling shr-insert-document, and then manually setting
the :title property of eww-data when shr-insert-document returns.

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On 3/27/25 01:22, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 11:04:49 -0700
>> From: Keith Amidon<camalot@HIDDEN>
>>
>> I'm trying to use eww with:
>>
>> (setq eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title
>>         eww-readable-urls '((".*" . t)))
>>
>> I'm expecting that this will result in buffer names reflecting
>> the titles of the HTML pages. However, what I actually see is
>> that all buffers get named "Untitled # EWW", made unique by
>> uniquify.
>>
>> This seems like a bug to me.
>>
>> I believe it arises because the title element of eww-data is set
>> to the empty string by eww--before-browse and then set to the
>> actual title when shr-insert-document csiteslalls the eww-tag-title
>> function via the shr-external-rendering-functions set in
>> eww-display-document.
>>
>> I think that in the readable case, the content passed to
>> shr-insert-document does not include the title element so
>> it isn't available from rendering that content.
>>
>> It appears to me that eww-readable preserves the title
>> in the eww-data plist by resetting it after calling
>> eww-before-browse. And in fact, if I set eww-readable-urls to
>> nil and go to a site, the buffer is properly named based on
>> the title. If I then call eww-readable, it remains named
>> based on the title.
>>
>> The default readability based-on eww-readable-urls appears
>> to happen in eww-display-html, which itself calls
>> eww-display-document. The full document hasn't been rendered
>> at this point so there is no existing title to preserve.
>>
>> I don't think there is a simple fix for this. The fundamental
>> problem is that eww only gets the title by rendering the
>> original document and in the case of default readable URLs
>> it never renders the original document. I thought it might be
>> possible to hack eww-score-readability to include the title
>> in the readable version but it appears that it is omitting the
>> entire head section currently, so it would need fairly
>> extensive changes to selectively pass through the title
>> without any other head elements.
> I agree with your analysis: it's a design problem, which prevents
> shr-insert-document from calling eww-tag-title, and thus the title
> remains the empty string.  IOW, eww-readable-urls is currently
> incompatible with eww-auto-rename-buffer, and moreover, it causes the
> URL to be shown as "untitled", even if eww-auto-rename-buffer is not
> used.
>
> Hopefully, someone who knows this code and how shr.el works will be
> able to come up with a solution.  One possible way is to find the
> title before calling shr-insert-document, and then manually setting
> the :title property of eww-data when shr-insert-document returns.
>
Sorry it took so long for me to get back to looking into this more
and thus for the long quote above to re-establish context. I have
found that I seem to be able to get eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title,
history titles, and org link capture to work with default readable
URLs in eww-readable-urls by redefining eww-display-html to:

(defun eww-display-html (charset url &optional document point buffer)
   (let ((source (buffer-substring (point) (point-max))))
     (with-current-buffer buffer
       (plist-put eww-data :source source)))
   (eww-display-document
    (or document
        (eww-document-base url (eww--parse-html-region (point) (point-max) charset)))
    point buffer)
   (and (null document)
        (eww-default-readable-p url)
        (with-current-buffer buffer
          (eww-readable 1))))

This is somewhat less efficient than the prior implementation in that
the document gets displayed twice for default readable URLs, but it is
no worse than not having default readability and manually toggling
readability after the page is rendered.

I haven't noticed any downsides to this redefinition yet, but I've
only been playing around with it for a morning so far. Given it
reduces the conflict between eww-readable-urls and multiple other
features, it seems worth considering.

--- Keith

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/27/25 01:22, Eli Zaretskii wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:86iknudgsv.fsf@HIDDEN">
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 11:04:49 -0700
From: Keith Amidon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:camalot@HIDDEN">&lt;camalot@HIDDEN&gt;</a>

I'm trying to use eww with:

(setq eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title
       eww-readable-urls '((".*" . t)))

I'm expecting that this will result in buffer names reflecting
the titles of the HTML pages. However, what I actually see is
that all buffers get named "Untitled # EWW", made unique by
uniquify.

This seems like a bug to me.

I believe it arises because the title element of eww-data is set
to the empty string by eww--before-browse and then set to the
actual title when shr-insert-document csiteslalls the eww-tag-title
function via the shr-external-rendering-functions set in
eww-display-document.

I think that in the readable case, the content passed to
shr-insert-document does not include the title element so
it isn't available from rendering that content.

It appears to me that eww-readable preserves the title
in the eww-data plist by resetting it after calling
eww-before-browse. And in fact, if I set eww-readable-urls to
nil and go to a site, the buffer is properly named based on
the title. If I then call eww-readable, it remains named
based on the title.

The default readability based-on eww-readable-urls appears
to happen in eww-display-html, which itself calls
eww-display-document. The full document hasn't been rendered
at this point so there is no existing title to preserve.

I don't think there is a simple fix for this. The fundamental
problem is that eww only gets the title by rendering the
original document and in the case of default readable URLs
it never renders the original document. I thought it might be
possible to hack eww-score-readability to include the title
in the readable version but it appears that it is omitting the
entire head section currently, so it would need fairly
extensive changes to selectively pass through the title
without any other head elements.
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">
I agree with your analysis: it's a design problem, which prevents
shr-insert-document from calling eww-tag-title, and thus the title
remains the empty string.  IOW, eww-readable-urls is currently
incompatible with eww-auto-rename-buffer, and moreover, it causes the
URL to be shown as "untitled", even if eww-auto-rename-buffer is not
used.

Hopefully, someone who knows this code and how shr.el works will be
able to come up with a solution.  One possible way is to find the
title before calling shr-insert-document, and then manually setting
the :title property of eww-data when shr-insert-document returns.

</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre>Sorry it took so long for me to get back to looking into this more 
and thus for the long quote above to re-establish context. I have
found that I seem to be able to get eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title,
history titles, and org link capture to work with default readable 
URLs in eww-readable-urls by redefining eww-display-html to:</pre>
    <pre>(defun eww-display-html (charset url &amp;optional document point buffer)
  (let ((source (buffer-substring (point) (point-max))))
    (with-current-buffer buffer
      (plist-put eww-data :source source)))
  (eww-display-document
   (or document
       (eww-document-base url (eww--parse-html-region (point) (point-max) charset)))
   point buffer)
  (and (null document)
       (eww-default-readable-p url)
       (with-current-buffer buffer
         (eww-readable 1))))
</pre>
    <pre>This is somewhat less efficient than the prior implementation in that
the document gets displayed twice for default readable URLs, but it is
no worse than not having default readability and manually toggling 
readability after the page is rendered.

I haven't noticed any downsides to this redefinition yet, but I've 
only been playing around with it for a morning so far. Given it 
reduces the conflict between eww-readable-urls and multiple other
features, it seems worth considering.

--- Keith

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A quick update on this: I've been using the version of eww-display-html 
quoted below regularly since I last commented on the bug about a month 
ago and think it is working fine. If the approach seems acceptable, I'd 
be happy to prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith

On 5/13/25 07:27, Keith Amidon wrote:
> Sorry it took so long for me to get back to looking into this more
> and thus for the long quote above to re-establish context. I have
> found that I seem to be able to get eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title,
> history titles, and org link capture to work with default readable
> URLs in eww-readable-urls by redefining eww-display-html to:
> (defun eww-display-html (charset url &optional document point buffer)
>    (let ((source (buffer-substring (point) (point-max))))
>      (with-current-buffer buffer
>        (plist-put eww-data :source source)))
>    (eww-display-document
>     (or document
>         (eww-document-base url (eww--parse-html-region (point) (point-max) charset)))
>     point buffer)
>    (and (null document)
>         (eww-default-readable-p url)
>         (with-current-buffer buffer
>           (eww-readable 1))))
> This is somewhat less efficient than the prior implementation in that
> the document gets displayed twice for default readable URLs, but it is
> no worse than not having default readability and manually toggling
> readability after the page is rendered.
>
> I haven't noticed any downsides to this redefinition yet, but I've
> only been playing around with it for a morning so far. Given it
> reduces the conflict between eww-readable-urls and multiple other
> features, it seems worth considering.
>
> --- Keith
>

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">A quick update on this: I've been using
      the version of eww-display-html quoted below regularly since I
      last commented on the bug about a month ago and think it is
      working fine. If the approach seems acceptable, I'd be happy to
      prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/13/25 07:27, Keith Amidon wrote:</div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:7ecf1a2b-decb-49f3-b869-9bb4f26f2981@HIDDEN">
      <pre>Sorry it took so long for me to get back to looking into this more 
and thus for the long quote above to re-establish context. I have
found that I seem to be able to get eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title,
history titles, and org link capture to work with default readable 
URLs in eww-readable-urls by redefining eww-display-html to:</pre>
      <pre>(defun eww-display-html (charset url &amp;optional document point buffer)
  (let ((source (buffer-substring (point) (point-max))))
    (with-current-buffer buffer
      (plist-put eww-data :source source)))
  (eww-display-document
   (or document
       (eww-document-base url (eww--parse-html-region (point) (point-max) charset)))
   point buffer)
  (and (null document)
       (eww-default-readable-p url)
       (with-current-buffer buffer
         (eww-readable 1))))
</pre>
      <pre>This is somewhat less efficient than the prior implementation in that
the document gets displayed twice for default readable URLs, but it is
no worse than not having default readability and manually toggling 
readability after the page is rendered.

I haven't noticed any downsides to this redefinition yet, but I've 
only been playing around with it for a morning so far. Given it 
reduces the conflict between eww-readable-urls and multiple other
features, it seems worth considering.

--- Keith

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> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2025 06:38:53 -0700
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On 6/9/2025 6:38 AM, Keith Amidon wrote:
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> quoted below regularly since I last commented on the bug about a month 
> ago and think it is working fine. If the approach seems acceptable, I'd 
> be happy to prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith

I think I'd prefer a solution that doesn't require a workaround like 
this. If we could get a fix that resolves this issue without the 
workaround, I think that would be best. The code would be more 
maintainable, and we'd likely have fewer problems in this area in the 
future.

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On 6/11/2025 10:11 AM, Jim Porter wrote:
> I think I'd prefer a solution that doesn't require a workaround like 
> this. If we could get a fix that resolves this issue without the 
> workaround, I think that would be best.

That was a bit redundant. Serves me right to try and reply while I'm 
distracted. But you get the idea...

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> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 10:11:03 -0700
> Cc: 77299 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>
> 
> On 6/9/2025 6:38 AM, Keith Amidon wrote:
> > A quick update on this: I've been using the version of eww-display-html 
> > quoted below regularly since I last commented on the bug about a month 
> > ago and think it is working fine. If the approach seems acceptable, I'd 
> > be happy to prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith
> 
> I think I'd prefer a solution that doesn't require a workaround like 
> this.

What workaround are you alluding to?

> If we could get a fix that resolves this issue without the 
> workaround, I think that would be best.

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looked at the code and concluded that it would be impossible without
completely rewriting this functionality.  See
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On 6/11/2025 12:30 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 10:11:03 -0700
>> Cc: 77299 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>
>>
>> On 6/9/2025 6:38 AM, Keith Amidon wrote:
>>> A quick update on this: I've been using the version of eww-display-html
>>> quoted below regularly since I last commented on the bug about a month
>>> ago and think it is working fine. If the approach seems acceptable, I'd
>>> be happy to prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith
>>
>> I think I'd prefer a solution that doesn't require a workaround like
>> this.
> 
> What workaround are you alluding to?

Rendering the original document and immediately re-rendering the 
"readable" form of the document.

>> If we could get a fix that resolves this issue without the
>> workaround, I think that would be best.
> 
> Feel free to suggest a way if you see it.  Both Keith and myself
> looked at the code and concluded that it would be impossible without
> completely rewriting this functionality.  See
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=77299#8

I think we could change how we return the readable form of the document. 
Currently, it returns the DOM node of the section we want to render, but 
we could instead return a new document with the <title> node plus the 
DOM node we want to render (ditto for <link> nodes, since we use those 
for things like 'eww-next-url').

Since scoring the readability of the document requires iterating over 
every DOM node, we could just collect the extra nodes we care about 
(like <title>) while iterating. Then it'll be easy to include those 
nodes in the readable form.

Doing it this way should have the benefit that we don't start network 
requests for images that won't be shown in the readable form of the page.

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> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 15:17:21 -0700
> Cc: 77299 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, camalot@HIDDEN
> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>
> 
> On 6/11/2025 12:30 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 10:11:03 -0700
> >> Cc: 77299 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>
> >>
> >> On 6/9/2025 6:38 AM, Keith Amidon wrote:
> >>> A quick update on this: I've been using the version of eww-display-html
> >>> quoted below regularly since I last commented on the bug about a month
> >>> ago and think it is working fine. If the approach seems acceptable, I'd
> >>> be happy to prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith
> >>
> >> I think I'd prefer a solution that doesn't require a workaround like
> >> this.
> > 
> > What workaround are you alluding to?
> 
> Rendering the original document and immediately re-rendering the 
> "readable" form of the document.
> 
> >> If we could get a fix that resolves this issue without the
> >> workaround, I think that would be best.
> > 
> > Feel free to suggest a way if you see it.  Both Keith and myself
> > looked at the code and concluded that it would be impossible without
> > completely rewriting this functionality.  See
> > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=77299#8
> 
> I think we could change how we return the readable form of the document. 
> Currently, it returns the DOM node of the section we want to render, but 
> we could instead return a new document with the <title> node plus the 
> DOM node we want to render (ditto for <link> nodes, since we use those 
> for things like 'eww-next-url').
> 
> Since scoring the readability of the document requires iterating over 
> every DOM node, we could just collect the extra nodes we care about 
> (like <title>) while iterating. Then it'll be easy to include those 
> nodes in the readable form.
> 
> Doing it this way should have the benefit that we don't start network 
> requests for images that won't be shown in the readable form of the page.

Thanks.  That'd be okay, but unless we have such a reimplementation
soon, I intend to install the simpler patch proposed by Keith (when he
posts it).

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On 6/11/25 15:17, Jim Porter wrote:
> I think we could change how we return the readable form of the 
> document. Currently, it returns the DOM node of the section we want to 
> render, but we could instead return a new document with the <title> 
> node plus the DOM node we want to render (ditto for <link> nodes, 
> since we use those for things like 'eww-next-url').
>
> Since scoring the readability of the document requires iterating over 
> every DOM node, we could just collect the extra nodes we care about 
> (like <title>) while iterating. Then it'll be easy to include those 
> nodes in the readable form.
>
> Doing it this way should have the benefit that we don't start network 
> requests for images that won't be shown in the readable form of the page.

I had originally thought of trying to do it more-or-less likes this but 
it seemed like it would be a quite large change to code I wasn't that 
familiar with so I went with something more contained to get things 
working. It might take me a while, but I can give this approach a second 
more sustained try and see how it looks. The points about image loading 
and <link> elements are good ones. Solving those within the existing 
approach where we save even more information from the original 
"non-readable" rending of the page and possibly conditionally modify the 
renderer to avoid loading images if we're just going to switch to the 
"readable" rending automatically makes a somewhat messy situation even 
messier.

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