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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2025 11:31:19 -0500 Message-Id: <0A374830-A612-479C-BC2A-1FD1D59DA21E@HIDDEN> References: <jwvr026wt0m.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwvr026wt0m.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (22E240) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77502 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Andrea Corallo <acorallo@HIDDEN>, 77502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi folks, > On Apr 5, 2025, at 10:07=E2=80=AFAM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN= .ca> wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >>=20 >> Not sure if this is a bug or a feature. We record the *.elc names in >> load-history, and those are the names passed to after-load-functions. >> I've added Stefan and Andrea to this discussion, in case they have >> comments. >=20 > It was done on purpose, at least for backward compatibility reasons, but > also because it's easier to find the `.eln` from the `.elc` than > the reverse. I see, thanks. In my case, I don=E2=80=99t necessarily even care about getting the .eln pat= hs in the after-load-functions hook. I just got confused by the results and t= hought maybe my native loader was not working correctly due to some misconfi= guration on my end. In other words, I have no problem with the current behav= ior, but I do think maybe we should update the documentation somewhere to de= scribe how the hook behaves when the native loader is enabled. Cheers. >=20 >=20 > Stefan >=20
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> Not sure if this is a bug or a feature. We record the *.elc names in
> load-history, and those are the names passed to after-load-functions.
> I've added Stefan and Andrea to this discussion, in case they have
> comments.
It was done on purpose, at least for backward compatibility reasons, but
also because it's easier to find the `.eln` from the `.elc` than
the reverse.
Stefan
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Full text available.Received: (at 77502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Apr 2025 10:14:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 05 06:14:36 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41621 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1u10Xs-0001AP-2n for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Apr 2025 06:14:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1u10Xp-0001AA-FX for 77502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Apr 2025 06:14:34 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1u10Xi-0006jx-MX; Sat, 05 Apr 2025 06:14:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=KqxrgjuuniV+Fzr74Tg9Xx+bKn79MqXYgmdrxFSVDWA=; b=i/cJjc7qn9Gy VCw9p3s+4WgDl2EpuSxcEr5FlNHQl376qlQEnw40Hvy0k10mohAAGdT0/E+FHoAEfHzp0sI5ZYg7j ljhc5yzKoxUS901ZmGxfFSGTbcXMaeWCHm0dVPFc+VHNDTyYdml9O7bSg5tM/P+tPwRHc55oR9JG1 IFghMPYY526KxFn8IKWBHqyrCQUnIlBe8895djqA4XGVJgyDWvLqAtq6/uVKdmT3Y+4IABAepi4Zm VHQZzF0+RlvU2XIHk3xupRFMW2U7NPMj1hQgvEjkLcpssHPiF8NnYv86BFixwUNTkRkajegjC9Vx2 0ZW6qeJ6BVdLEzTE03mnLA==; Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2025 13:14:22 +0300 Message-Id: <86plhqx6dd.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, Andrea Corallo <acorallo@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <44DAF769-09E9-4A50-BD15-C36B59DC5333@HIDDEN> (message from Sean Devlin on Thu, 3 Apr 2025 13:35:19 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#77502: 31.0.50; Should after-load-functions hook report .eln file names? References: <44DAF769-09E9-4A50-BD15-C36B59DC5333@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77502 Cc: 77502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN> > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 13:35:19 -0500 > > Hi folks, > > I am not sure if this is a bug or not, but the behavior was confusing to > me. > > Recipe: > > 0. If necessary, rebuild Emacs with native compilation support. > 1. Emacs -Q > 2. In scratch, evaluate: > > (setq force-load-messages t) > (add-hook 'after-load-functions > (lambda (file) > (message "after load: %s" file))) > > 3. M-x load-library RET org RET > 4. C-h e > > The messages buffer will show a lot of messages like this: > > Loading find-func (native compiled elisp)... > after load: /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/emacs-lisp/find-func.elc > Loading find-func (native compiled elisp)...done > > The load messages show that a native library was loaded, but the > after-load hook reports loading a byte-compiled file. > > The documentation for after-load-functions says: > > "Each function there is called with a single argument, the absolute name > of the file just loaded." > > I do not understand the intricacies of the native compiler and loader, > so maybe this behavior is expected. But the result seemed misleading to > me, and I could not find documentation of the disparity between what > after-load-functions reports and what is actually loaded. > > Is this a bug? Not sure if this is a bug or a feature. We record the *.elc names in load-history, and those are the names passed to after-load-functions. I've added Stefan and Andrea to this discussion, in case they have comments. If this is a feature, I guess we should update the documentation. Thanks.
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Message-Id: <44DAF769-09E9-4A50-BD15-C36B59DC5333@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 13:35:19 -0500 To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.500.181.1.5) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a; envelope-from=spd@HIDDEN; helo=mail-io1-xd2a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Hi folks, I am not sure if this is a bug or not, but the behavior was confusing to me. Recipe: 0. If necessary, rebuild Emacs with native compilation support. 1. Emacs -Q 2. In scratch, evaluate: (setq force-load-messages t) (add-hook 'after-load-functions (lambda (file) (message "after load: %s" file))) 3. M-x load-library RET org RET 4. C-h e The messages buffer will show a lot of messages like this: Loading find-func (native compiled elisp)... after load: = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/emacs-lisp/find-func.elc Loading find-func (native compiled elisp)...done The load messages show that a native library was loaded, but the after-load hook reports loading a byte-compiled file. The documentation for after-load-functions says: "Each function there is called with a single argument, the absolute name of the file just loaded." I do not understand the intricacies of the native compiler and loader, so maybe this behavior is expected. But the result seemed misleading to me, and I could not find documentation of the disparity between what after-load-functions reports and what is actually loaded. Is this a bug? Cheers, and thanks for your help! In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, aarch64-apple-darwin24.4.0, NS appkit-2575.50 Version 15.4 (Build 24E5238a)) of 2025-03-24 built on beatrix.local Repository revision: 068fa2ebf9351711ef15c6fdc3d83f2487bec8e2 Repository branch: spd-igc Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2575 System Description: macOS 15.4 Configured using: 'configure --with-ns --with-modules --with-native-compilation --with-libgmp --with-tree-sitter --with-sqlite3 --with-mps=3Dyes --without-imagemagick --without-dbus CPPFLAGS=3D-I/opt/homebrew/include LDFLAGS=3D-L/opt/homebrew/lib PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/opt/homebrew/lib/pkgconfig' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS JPEG LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES MPS NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY KQUEUE NS PDUMPER PNG SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t minibuffer-regexp-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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