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[PATCH 0/2] gnu: font-fira-sans: Update to 4.301

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Reported by: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>

Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2025 09:04:02 UTC

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From: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
To: guix-patches <at> gnu.org
Cc: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [PATCH 0/2] gnu: font-fira-sans: Update to 4.301
Date: Mon,  7 Apr 2025 17:54:50 +0900
The comment mentioned that this is the final version including the source
code.  However, many fonts included in Guix do not come with source code, so I
believe this is acceptable.  Additionally, other package distributors also
appear to be packaging the latest version (see below).  Therefore, I updated
it. Please let me know if there is anything wrong.

* https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/fira-sans/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads
* https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/nixos-unstable/pkgs/by-name/fi/fira-sans/package.nix

Other changes:
* The license file had been moved, so I made the necessary change.
* It was a VCS snapshot, so I changed it to the corresponding format.
* Changed to use gexp for arguments

Kurome (2):
  gnu: font-fira-sans: Update to (git-version 4.301 revision commit).
  gnu: font-fira-mono: Update to (git-version 3.206 revision commit).

 gnu/packages/fonts.scm | 112 ++++++++++++++++++++---------------------
 1 file changed, 56 insertions(+), 56 deletions(-)

-- 
2.49.0





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From: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
To: 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [PATCH 1/2] gnu: font-fira-sans: Update to (git-version 4.301
 revision commit).
Date: Mon,  7 Apr 2025 18:04:54 +0900
* gnu/packages/fonts.scm (font-fira-sans): Update to (git-version 4.301 revision commit).

Change-Id: Ib8e2a4fc194cf1886e0679c0824684700f4e728e
---
 gnu/packages/fonts.scm | 92 +++++++++++++++++++++---------------------
 1 file changed, 45 insertions(+), 47 deletions(-)

diff --git a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
index 75b1bee6e2..33456697cd 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
@@ -1664,11 +1664,6 @@ (define-public font-microsoft-cascadia
     (license license:silofl1.1)))
 
 (define-public font-fira-sans
-  ;; Fira Sans v4.203 (which corresponds to Fira Mono v3.206) is the final
-  ;; version to include UFO sources. It is the same version packaged by other
-  ;; notable distributors, including Google Fonts. Note that the "reserved
-  ;; font name" was removed by the copyright holders.
-  ;;
   ;; The upstream release includes a "Fira Code" which "is Fira Mono 3.206
   ;; with less Line Space (1.0) – does not include programming ligatures". We
   ;; do not package that: our 'font-fira-code' package (like e.g. Debian's
@@ -1683,48 +1678,51 @@ (define-public font-fira-sans
   ;; See also:
   ;;   - https://github.com/mozilla/Fira/pull/219
   ;;   - https://github.com/bBoxType/FiraSans/issues/4#issuecomment-695833327
-  (package
-    (name "font-fira-sans")
-    (version "4.203")
-    (source (origin
-              (method git-fetch)
-              (uri (git-reference
-                     (url "https://github.com/bBoxType/FiraSans")
-                     (commit "a606927401bcc3951587339fee53aa882856b51b")))
-              (file-name (git-file-name name version))
-              (sha256
-               (base32
-                "1r9kb7v9jg83nnxwkl6gx9ix1rng3ksr7v33qrm46qb4fhwsyc2n"))))
-    (build-system font-build-system)
-    (arguments
-     `(#:modules
-       ((ice-9 match)
-        (ice-9 regex)
-        (guix build utils)
-        (guix build font-build-system))
-       #:phases
-       (modify-phases %standard-phases
-         (add-after 'unpack 'chdir
-           (lambda* (#:key outputs #:allow-other-keys)
-             (define-values (pkg-name _version)
-               (package-name->name+version
-                (strip-store-file-name (assoc-ref outputs "out"))))
-             (define variant
-               (string-capitalize
-                (match:substring (string-match "fira-([a-z]+)" pkg-name) 1)))
-             (match (find-files "." (format #f "^Fira_~a_[0-9]" variant)
-                                #:directories? #t)
-               ((dir)
-                (chdir dir)))))
-         (add-before 'install-license-files 'enter-license-directory
-           (lambda _
-             (chdir "../OFL_Licence"))))))
-    ;; While the repository has moved,
-    ;; this specimen still works well as the home-page:
-    (home-page "https://mozilla.github.io/Fira/")
-    (synopsis
-     "Humanist sans-serif with numerous weights emphasizing legibility")
-    (description "Fira Sans is a humanist sans-serif typeface with an emphasis
+  (let ((commit "f54eeb3124c63fe9b5bcd36d09d1cd46788cd15e")
+        (revision "1"))
+    (package
+      (name "font-fira-sans")
+      (version (git-version "4.301" revision commit))
+      (source
+       (origin
+         (method git-fetch)
+         (uri (git-reference
+               (url "https://github.com/bBoxType/FiraSans")
+               (commit commit)))
+         (file-name (git-file-name name version))
+         (sha256
+          (base32 "1081x67dbmm2x4ckq67a8d6ia209x6jp70swl4w9v9nl1ci03jn3"))))
+      (build-system font-build-system)
+      (arguments
+       (list
+        #:modules
+        '((ice-9 match)
+          (ice-9 regex)
+          (guix build utils)
+          (guix build font-build-system))
+        #:phases
+        #~(modify-phases %standard-phases
+            (add-after 'unpack 'chdir
+              (lambda* (#:key outputs #:allow-other-keys)
+                (define-values (pkg-name _version)
+                  (package-name->name+version
+                   (strip-store-file-name (assoc-ref outputs "out"))))
+                (define variant
+                  (string-capitalize
+                   (match:substring (string-match "fira-([a-z]+)" pkg-name) 1)))
+                (match (find-files "." (format #f "^Fira_~a_[0-9]" variant)
+                                   #:directories? #t)
+                  ((dir)
+                   (chdir dir)))))
+            (add-before 'install-license-files 'enter-license-directory
+              (lambda _
+                (chdir ".."))))))
+      ;; While the repository has moved,
+      ;; this specimen still works well as the home-page:
+      (home-page "https://mozilla.github.io/Fira/")
+      (synopsis
+       "Humanist sans-serif with numerous weights emphasizing legibility")
+      (description "Fira Sans is a humanist sans-serif typeface with an emphasis
 on legibility, commissioned by Mozilla from Erik Spiekermann and Ralph du
 Carrois.  The large family includes 2,709 glyphs in normal, condensed, and
 compressed cuts at 11 weights (plus 6 experimental weights), each with
-- 
2.49.0





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Message #11 received at 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
To: 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [PATCH 2/2] gnu: font-fira-mono: Update to (git-version 3.206
 revision commit).
Date: Mon,  7 Apr 2025 18:04:55 +0900
* gnu/packages/fonts.scm (font-fira-mono): Update to (git-version 3.206 revision commit).

Change-Id: I125749cfac3c3f0a27c6c9326c66830ae36553f4
---
 gnu/packages/fonts.scm | 20 +++++++++++---------
 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)

diff --git a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
index 33456697cd..d602f73581 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
@@ -1729,18 +1729,20 @@ (define variant
 corresponding italics.
 
 The package @code{font-fira-mono} provides a corresponding monospace cut.")
-    (license license:silofl1.1)))
+      (license license:silofl1.1))))
 
 (define-public font-fira-mono
-  (package
-    (inherit font-fira-sans)
-    (name "font-fira-mono")
-    (version "3.206")
-    (synopsis "Monospace cut of Fira Sans")
-    (description
-     "Fira Mono is a monospace cut of Fira Sans (see @code{font-fira-sans}).
+  (let ((commit "f54eeb3124c63fe9b5bcd36d09d1cd46788cd15e")
+        (revision "1"))
+    (package
+      (inherit font-fira-sans)
+      (name "font-fira-mono")
+      (version (git-version "3.206" revision commit))
+      (synopsis "Monospace cut of Fira Sans")
+      (description
+       "Fira Mono is a monospace cut of Fira Sans (see @code{font-fira-sans}).
 It includes regular, medium, and bold weights.")
-    (license license:silofl1.1)))
+      (license license:silofl1.1))))
 
 (define-public font-fira-go
   (package
-- 
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From: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
To: 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [PATCH v2 0/2] gnu: Update font-fira-sans
Date: Mon,  7 Apr 2025 23:52:56 +0900
Fixed commit message.

Kurome (2):
  gnu: font-fira-sans: Update to 4.301-1.f54eeb3
  gnu: font-fira-mono: Add revision number.

 gnu/packages/fonts.scm | 112 ++++++++++++++++++++---------------------
 1 file changed, 56 insertions(+), 56 deletions(-)

-- 
2.49.0





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From: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
To: 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [PATCH v2 1/2] gnu: font-fira-sans: Update to 4.301-1.f54eeb3
Date: Mon,  7 Apr 2025 23:55:56 +0900
The former comment mentioned that this is the final version including the
source code.  However, many fonts included in Guix do not come with source
code, so I believe this is acceptable.

* gnu/packages/fonts.scm (font-fira-sans): Update to 4.301-1.f54eeb3.  Add
revision number.
[version]: Use git-version.
[arguments]: Use G-Expression.
<#:phases>: Modify 'enter-license-directory because the license
directory has changed.

Change-Id: Ib8e2a4fc194cf1886e0679c0824684700f4e728e
---
 gnu/packages/fonts.scm | 92 +++++++++++++++++++++---------------------
 1 file changed, 45 insertions(+), 47 deletions(-)

diff --git a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
index 75b1bee6e2..33456697cd 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
@@ -1664,11 +1664,6 @@ (define-public font-microsoft-cascadia
     (license license:silofl1.1)))
 
 (define-public font-fira-sans
-  ;; Fira Sans v4.203 (which corresponds to Fira Mono v3.206) is the final
-  ;; version to include UFO sources. It is the same version packaged by other
-  ;; notable distributors, including Google Fonts. Note that the "reserved
-  ;; font name" was removed by the copyright holders.
-  ;;
   ;; The upstream release includes a "Fira Code" which "is Fira Mono 3.206
   ;; with less Line Space (1.0) – does not include programming ligatures". We
   ;; do not package that: our 'font-fira-code' package (like e.g. Debian's
@@ -1683,48 +1678,51 @@ (define-public font-fira-sans
   ;; See also:
   ;;   - https://github.com/mozilla/Fira/pull/219
   ;;   - https://github.com/bBoxType/FiraSans/issues/4#issuecomment-695833327
-  (package
-    (name "font-fira-sans")
-    (version "4.203")
-    (source (origin
-              (method git-fetch)
-              (uri (git-reference
-                     (url "https://github.com/bBoxType/FiraSans")
-                     (commit "a606927401bcc3951587339fee53aa882856b51b")))
-              (file-name (git-file-name name version))
-              (sha256
-               (base32
-                "1r9kb7v9jg83nnxwkl6gx9ix1rng3ksr7v33qrm46qb4fhwsyc2n"))))
-    (build-system font-build-system)
-    (arguments
-     `(#:modules
-       ((ice-9 match)
-        (ice-9 regex)
-        (guix build utils)
-        (guix build font-build-system))
-       #:phases
-       (modify-phases %standard-phases
-         (add-after 'unpack 'chdir
-           (lambda* (#:key outputs #:allow-other-keys)
-             (define-values (pkg-name _version)
-               (package-name->name+version
-                (strip-store-file-name (assoc-ref outputs "out"))))
-             (define variant
-               (string-capitalize
-                (match:substring (string-match "fira-([a-z]+)" pkg-name) 1)))
-             (match (find-files "." (format #f "^Fira_~a_[0-9]" variant)
-                                #:directories? #t)
-               ((dir)
-                (chdir dir)))))
-         (add-before 'install-license-files 'enter-license-directory
-           (lambda _
-             (chdir "../OFL_Licence"))))))
-    ;; While the repository has moved,
-    ;; this specimen still works well as the home-page:
-    (home-page "https://mozilla.github.io/Fira/")
-    (synopsis
-     "Humanist sans-serif with numerous weights emphasizing legibility")
-    (description "Fira Sans is a humanist sans-serif typeface with an emphasis
+  (let ((commit "f54eeb3124c63fe9b5bcd36d09d1cd46788cd15e")
+        (revision "1"))
+    (package
+      (name "font-fira-sans")
+      (version (git-version "4.301" revision commit))
+      (source
+       (origin
+         (method git-fetch)
+         (uri (git-reference
+               (url "https://github.com/bBoxType/FiraSans")
+               (commit commit)))
+         (file-name (git-file-name name version))
+         (sha256
+          (base32 "1081x67dbmm2x4ckq67a8d6ia209x6jp70swl4w9v9nl1ci03jn3"))))
+      (build-system font-build-system)
+      (arguments
+       (list
+        #:modules
+        '((ice-9 match)
+          (ice-9 regex)
+          (guix build utils)
+          (guix build font-build-system))
+        #:phases
+        #~(modify-phases %standard-phases
+            (add-after 'unpack 'chdir
+              (lambda* (#:key outputs #:allow-other-keys)
+                (define-values (pkg-name _version)
+                  (package-name->name+version
+                   (strip-store-file-name (assoc-ref outputs "out"))))
+                (define variant
+                  (string-capitalize
+                   (match:substring (string-match "fira-([a-z]+)" pkg-name) 1)))
+                (match (find-files "." (format #f "^Fira_~a_[0-9]" variant)
+                                   #:directories? #t)
+                  ((dir)
+                   (chdir dir)))))
+            (add-before 'install-license-files 'enter-license-directory
+              (lambda _
+                (chdir ".."))))))
+      ;; While the repository has moved,
+      ;; this specimen still works well as the home-page:
+      (home-page "https://mozilla.github.io/Fira/")
+      (synopsis
+       "Humanist sans-serif with numerous weights emphasizing legibility")
+      (description "Fira Sans is a humanist sans-serif typeface with an emphasis
 on legibility, commissioned by Mozilla from Erik Spiekermann and Ralph du
 Carrois.  The large family includes 2,709 glyphs in normal, condensed, and
 compressed cuts at 11 weights (plus 6 experimental weights), each with
-- 
2.49.0





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From: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
To: 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [PATCH v2 2/2] gnu: font-fira-mono: Add revision number.
Date: Mon,  7 Apr 2025 23:55:57 +0900
* gnu/packages/fonts.scm (font-fira-mono): Add revision number.
[version]: Use git-version.

Change-Id: I125749cfac3c3f0a27c6c9326c66830ae36553f4
---
 gnu/packages/fonts.scm | 20 +++++++++++---------
 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)

diff --git a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
index 33456697cd..d602f73581 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
@@ -1729,18 +1729,20 @@ (define variant
 corresponding italics.
 
 The package @code{font-fira-mono} provides a corresponding monospace cut.")
-    (license license:silofl1.1)))
+      (license license:silofl1.1))))
 
 (define-public font-fira-mono
-  (package
-    (inherit font-fira-sans)
-    (name "font-fira-mono")
-    (version "3.206")
-    (synopsis "Monospace cut of Fira Sans")
-    (description
-     "Fira Mono is a monospace cut of Fira Sans (see @code{font-fira-sans}).
+  (let ((commit "f54eeb3124c63fe9b5bcd36d09d1cd46788cd15e")
+        (revision "1"))
+    (package
+      (inherit font-fira-sans)
+      (name "font-fira-mono")
+      (version (git-version "3.206" revision commit))
+      (synopsis "Monospace cut of Fira Sans")
+      (description
+       "Fira Mono is a monospace cut of Fira Sans (see @code{font-fira-sans}).
 It includes regular, medium, and bold weights.")
-    (license license:silofl1.1)))
+      (license license:silofl1.1))))
 
 (define-public font-fira-go
   (package
-- 
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From: krm sry <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
To: 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: GNU FSDG
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 16:39:50 +0900
[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]
Probably this is not acceptable by GNU FSDG criteria. If so, please abort
this patch.
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From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune <at> gmail.com>,
 Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe <at> gnu.org>, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jgart <jgart <at> dismail.de>,
 Christopher Baines <guix <at> cbaines.net>
Subject: Re: [bug#77601] [PATCH v2 1/2] gnu: font-fira-sans: Update to
 4.301-1.f54eeb3
Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 12:16:03 +0200
Hi,

Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> The former comment mentioned that this is the final version including the
> source code.  However, many fonts included in Guix do not come with source
> code, so I believe this is acceptable.

Yeah, that’s right, although it’s still a bummer to lower our standards.

I think we have no clear guideline to follow.  The package is still free
(under SIL OFL), and the FSDG is very lax on “non-functional data”
anyway.

Thoughts?

Ludo’.




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From: Hilton Chain <hako <at> ultrarare.space>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>, Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune <at> gmail.com>,
 Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe <at> gnu.org>, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jgart <jgart <at> dismail.de>,
 Christopher Baines <guix <at> cbaines.net>
Subject: Re: [bug#77601] [PATCH v2 1/2] gnu: font-fira-sans: Update to
 4.301-1.f54eeb3
Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 21:24:10 +0800
Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Hi,
>
> Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> The former comment mentioned that this is the final version including the
>> source code.  However, many fonts included in Guix do not come with source
>> code, so I believe this is acceptable.
>
> Yeah, that’s right, although it’s still a bummer to lower our standards.
>
> I think we have no clear guideline to follow.  The package is still free
> (under SIL OFL), and the FSDG is very lax on “non-functional data”
> anyway.

Quoting FSDG, fonts are clearly defined as functional:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
“Information for practical use” includes software, documentation, fonts,
and other data that has direct functional applications.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

I posted the issue on guix-devel [1].  I think we can remove fonts that
are not possible to be built from source first, and change remaining
ones to build from source gradually.

---
[1]: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2025-04/msg00085.html




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From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: Hilton Chain <hako <at> ultrarare.space>
Cc: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>, Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune <at> gmail.com>,
 Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe <at> gnu.org>, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jgart <jgart <at> dismail.de>,
 Christopher Baines <guix <at> cbaines.net>
Subject: Re: [bug#77601] [PATCH v2 1/2] gnu: font-fira-sans: Update to
 4.301-1.f54eeb3
Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 18:25:35 +0200
Hi,

Hilton Chain <hako <at> ultrarare.space> writes:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> The former comment mentioned that this is the final version including the
>>> source code.  However, many fonts included in Guix do not come with source
>>> code, so I believe this is acceptable.
>>
>> Yeah, that’s right, although it’s still a bummer to lower our standards.
>>
>> I think we have no clear guideline to follow.  The package is still free
>> (under SIL OFL), and the FSDG is very lax on “non-functional data”
>> anyway.
>
> Quoting FSDG, fonts are clearly defined as functional:
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> “Information for practical use” includes software, documentation, fonts,
> and other data that has direct functional applications.
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> I posted the issue on guix-devel [1].  I think we can remove fonts that
> are not possible to be built from source first, and change remaining
> ones to build from source gradually.
>
> ---
> [1]: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2025-04/msg00085.html

Interesting.  I think FSDG is (again) ambiguous because non-functional
data is described as:

  Data that isn't functional, that doesn't do a practical job, is more
  of an adornment to the system's software than a part of it.

The Fira font is more of an adornment; one doesn’t have to use it, it’s
just something that one may find pretty.

It’s also unclear to me what the “preferred form for modification” is
for fonts.  As discussed in the thread above, in some cases it might
well be OTF, while in other cases there’s a known source form that is
not OTF.

So perhaps this needs to be addressed on a case-by-case basis?

Thanks,
Ludo’.




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Message #35 received at 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Hilton Chain <hako <at> ultrarare.space>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com>, Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune <at> gmail.com>,
 Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe <at> gnu.org>, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 77601 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jgart <jgart <at> dismail.de>,
 Christopher Baines <guix <at> cbaines.net>
Subject: Re: [bug#77601] [PATCH v2 1/2] gnu: font-fira-sans: Update to
 4.301-1.f54eeb3
Date: Sat, 10 May 2025 15:05:44 +0800
Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Hi,
>
> Hilton Chain <hako <at> ultrarare.space> writes:
>
>> Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Kurome <hunt31999 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> The former comment mentioned that this is the final version including the
>>>> source code.  However, many fonts included in Guix do not come with source
>>>> code, so I believe this is acceptable.
>>>
>>> Yeah, that’s right, although it’s still a bummer to lower our standards.
>>>
>>> I think we have no clear guideline to follow.  The package is still free
>>> (under SIL OFL), and the FSDG is very lax on “non-functional data”
>>> anyway.
>>
>> Quoting FSDG, fonts are clearly defined as functional:
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> “Information for practical use” includes software, documentation, fonts,
>> and other data that has direct functional applications.
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>>
>> I posted the issue on guix-devel [1].  I think we can remove fonts that
>> are not possible to be built from source first, and change remaining
>> ones to build from source gradually.
>>
>> ---
>> [1]: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2025-04/msg00085.html
>
> Interesting.  I think FSDG is (again) ambiguous because non-functional
> data is described as:
>
>   Data that isn't functional, that doesn't do a practical job, is more
>   of an adornment to the system's software than a part of it.
>
> The Fira font is more of an adornment; one doesn’t have to use it, it’s
> just something that one may find pretty.
>
> It’s also unclear to me what the “preferred form for modification” is
> for fonts.  As discussed in the thread above, in some cases it might
> well be OTF, while in other cases there’s a known source form that is
> not OTF.
>
> So perhaps this needs to be addressed on a case-by-case basis?

Hmmmmm, if upstream only distributes SIL OFL licensed artifacts, without
mentioning the build process, how would we decide if it's the preferred
form for modification?

Anyway, we can identify fonts that can be built from source first.




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