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To: =?UTF-8?Q?Elijah_Gabe_P=C3=A9rez?= <eg642616@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006df1ce0633fea3d5" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77715 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000006df1ce0633fea3d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 8:07=E2=80=AFPM Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@gm= ail.com> wrote: > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> From: Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN> > >> Cc: 77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN, drew.adams@HIDDEN= m > >> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 13:04:53 -0600 > >> > >> >> --- a/lisp/simple.el > >> >> +++ b/lisp/simple.el > >> >> @@ -9389,6 +9389,50 @@ auto-save-mode > >> >> (and (< buffer-saved-size 0) > >> >> (setq buffer-saved-size 0))) > >> > > >> > I don't think we need this in simple.el. This is a minor convenienc= e > >> > feature, so it doesn't have to be preloaded. It can be on a separat= e > >> > file with the 2 functions it exports autoloaded. > >> > >> Sure, but wouldn't be redundant making yet another file for just these= 2 > >> functions? > > > > Nothing wrong with having a separate file for this feature. We could > > call it ring-bell-fns.el or something, and with time other ring-bell > > functions might be added to it. > > It makes sense, I've renamed the file to `ring-bell-fns.el'. > > >> >> + (unwind-protect > >> >> + (sit-for flash-face-duration) > >> >> + (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies)))) > >> > > >> > Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait. Other > >> > ring-bell-functions don't behave like that. Are you sure sleep-for = is > >> > not better for this purpose? > >> > >> Emacs would freeze if I use sleep-for instead, I've tested using it > >> but it seems that emacs is going to crash, very uncomfortable when I'm > >> editing quickly. > > > > But that's how the built-in ring-bell functions work: they wait > > unconditionally. As I explained earlier, using sit-for might cause > > the entire feature to seem not to work. > > > > As a compromise, perhaps use sleep-for if the time is short enough, > > and sit-for otherwise? > > Fine, i've updated it to only use sleep-for if flash duration time is > long and fallback to sit-for otherwise. > > >> >> + (let ((with-temp-message > >> >> + (propertize " " 'display `(space :align-to right) > 'face > >> >> + 'flash-face)) > >> > > >> > Why do you use propertize here instead of face-remap-add-relative? > >> > >> That is for the echo-area/minibuffer, which AFAIK doesn't have a face > >> that i can use for this. So instead it displays an empty message with > >> a face that extends to the end of minibuffer. > > > > The face used by default in the echo-area is the default face. (There > > could be cases when echo-area messages use other, non-default faces.) > > Thanks for the clarification, I've rewrote the function to remap the > default face only in the minibuffer. > > >> +(defcustom flash-face-duration 0.05 > >> + "Time (in seconds) used for flash face duration." > >> + :type 'number > >> + :group 'faces > > > > Are you sure this is the best group for this option? Why not > > something related to flash-bell or bell-ring? Same question regarding > > the faces defined for this feature: placing them in the faces group > > could drown them in the large sea of faces we have, and make them less > > discoverable. > > I've create its proper defgroup, but I'm not sure about the name and > docstring I've given it. > Face flashing isn't a feature of bell ringing, it's the opposite. I'd consider putting the face flashing code with face-related code so it's clear faces can be flashed anywhere for any reason the users want. --0000000000006df1ce0633fea3d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 8:07=E2=80=AFPM Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <<a href= =3D"mailto:eg642616@HIDDEN">eg642616@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></di= v></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg= b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@g= nu.org" target=3D"_blank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> <br> >> From: Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <<a href=3D"mailto:eg642616@gmail.= com" target=3D"_blank">eg642616@HIDDEN</a>><br> >> Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">777= 15 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a>,=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target= =3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>,=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:drew.adams@ora= cle.com" target=3D"_blank">drew.adams@HIDDEN</a><br> >> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 13:04:53 -0600<br> >> <br> >> >> --- a/lisp/simple.el<br> >> >> +++ b/lisp/simple.el<br> >> >> @@ -9389,6 +9389,50 @@ auto-save-mode<br> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (and (< buffer-saved-size 0)<br> >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(setq buffer-saved-size = 0)))<br> >> ><br> >> > I don't think we need this in simple.el.=C2=A0 This is a = minor convenience<br> >> > feature, so it doesn't have to be preloaded.=C2=A0 It can= be on a separate<br> >> > file with the 2 functions it exports autoloaded.<br> >> <br> >> Sure, but wouldn't be redundant making yet another file for ju= st these 2<br> >> functions?<br> ><br> > Nothing wrong with having a separate file for this feature.=C2=A0 We c= ould<br> > call it ring-bell-fns.el or something, and with time other ring-bell<b= r> > functions might be added to it.<br> <br> It makes sense, I've renamed the file to `ring-bell-fns.el'.<br> <br> >> >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (unwind-protect<br> >> >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (sit-for flash-face-duration= )<br> >> >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relat= ive cookies))))<br> >> ><br> >> > Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait.= =C2=A0 Other<br> >> > ring-bell-functions don't behave like that.=C2=A0 Are you= sure sleep-for is<br> >> > not better for this purpose?<br> >> <br> >> Emacs would freeze if I use sleep-for instead, I've tested usi= ng it<br> >> but it seems that emacs is going to crash, very uncomfortable when= I'm<br> >> editing quickly.<br> ><br> > But that's how the built-in ring-bell functions work: they wait<br= > > unconditionally.=C2=A0 As I explained earlier, using sit-for might cau= se<br> > the entire feature to seem not to work.<br> ><br> > As a compromise, perhaps use sleep-for if the time is short enough,<br= > > and sit-for otherwise?<br> <br> Fine, i've updated it to only use sleep-for if flash duration time is<b= r> long and fallback to sit-for otherwise.<br> <br> >> >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (let ((with-temp-message<br> >> >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (proper= tize " " 'display `(space :align-to right) 'face<br> >> >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 'flash-face))<br> >> ><br> >> > Why do you use propertize here instead of face-remap-add-rela= tive?<br> >> <br> >> That is for the echo-area/minibuffer, which AFAIK doesn't have= a face<br> >> that i can use for this.=C2=A0 So instead it displays an empty mes= sage with<br> >> a face that extends to the end of minibuffer.<br> ><br> > The face used by default in the echo-area is the default face.=C2=A0 (= There<br> > could be cases when echo-area messages use other, non-default faces.)<= br> <br> Thanks for the clarification, I've rewrote the function to remap the<br= > default face only in the minibuffer.<br> <br> >> +(defcustom flash-face-duration 0.05<br> >> +=C2=A0 "Time (in seconds) used for flash face duration."= ;<br> >> +=C2=A0 :type 'number<br> >> +=C2=A0 :group 'faces<br> ><br> > Are you sure this is the best group for this option?=C2=A0 Why not<br> > something related to flash-bell or bell-ring?=C2=A0 Same question rega= rding<br> > the faces defined for this feature: placing them in the faces group<br= > > could drown them in the large sea of faces we have, and make them less= <br> > discoverable.<br> <br> I've create its proper defgroup, but I'm not sure about the name an= d<br> docstring I've given it.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"g= mail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">Face flashing isn't a fea= ture of bell ringing, it's the opposite.=C2=A0 I'd consider putting= the face flashing code with face-related code so it's clear faces can = be flashed anywhere 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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: 77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN, drew.adams@HIDDEN
>> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 13:04:53 -0600
>>=20
>> >> --- a/lisp/simple.el
>> >> +++ b/lisp/simple.el
>> >> @@ -9389,6 +9389,50 @@ auto-save-mode
>> >> (and (< buffer-saved-size 0)
>> >> (setq buffer-saved-size 0)))
>> >
>> > I don't think we need this in simple.el. This is a minor convenience
>> > feature, so it doesn't have to be preloaded. It can be on a separate
>> > file with the 2 functions it exports autoloaded.
>>=20
>> Sure, but wouldn't be redundant making yet another file for just these 2
>> functions?
>
> Nothing wrong with having a separate file for this feature. We could
> call it ring-bell-fns.el or something, and with time other ring-bell
> functions might be added to it.
It makes sense, I've renamed the file to `ring-bell-fns.el'.
>> >> + (unwind-protect
>> >> + (sit-for flash-face-duration)
>> >> + (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies))))
>> >
>> > Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait. Other
>> > ring-bell-functions don't behave like that. Are you sure sleep-for is
>> > not better for this purpose?
>>=20
>> Emacs would freeze if I use sleep-for instead, I've tested using it
>> but it seems that emacs is going to crash, very uncomfortable when I'm
>> editing quickly.
>
> But that's how the built-in ring-bell functions work: they wait
> unconditionally. As I explained earlier, using sit-for might cause
> the entire feature to seem not to work.
>
> As a compromise, perhaps use sleep-for if the time is short enough,
> and sit-for otherwise?
Fine, i've updated it to only use sleep-for if flash duration time is
long and fallback to sit-for otherwise.
>> >> + (let ((with-temp-message
>> >> + (propertize " " 'display `(space :align-to right) 'face
>> >> + 'flash-face))
>> >
>> > Why do you use propertize here instead of face-remap-add-relative?
>>=20
>> That is for the echo-area/minibuffer, which AFAIK doesn't have a face
>> that i can use for this. So instead it displays an empty message with
>> a face that extends to the end of minibuffer.
>
> The face used by default in the echo-area is the default face. (There
> could be cases when echo-area messages use other, non-default faces.)
Thanks for the clarification, I've rewrote the function to remap the
default face only in the minibuffer.
>> +(defcustom flash-face-duration 0.05
>> + "Time (in seconds) used for flash face duration."
>> + :type 'number
>> + :group 'faces
>
> Are you sure this is the best group for this option? Why not
> something related to flash-bell or bell-ring? Same question regarding
> the faces defined for this feature: placing them in the faces group
> could drown them in the large sea of faces we have, and make them less
> discoverable.
I've create its proper defgroup, but I'm not sure about the name and
docstring I've given it.
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Subject: [PATCH] New ring-bell functions for flash faces. (bug#77715)
New functions for flash any face or echo area once whether
`ring-bell-function' is called.
* lisp/ring-bell-fns.el: New file.
* etc/NEWS: Announce changes.
---
etc/NEWS | 25 ++++++++++++
lisp/ring-bell-fns.el | 95 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2 files changed, 120 insertions(+)
create mode 100644 lisp/ring-bell-fns.el
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index a5936b1c6cf..6eee690e09b 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -1935,6 +1935,31 @@ change their face if the current line exceeds the 'f=
ill-column'. The
new face 'display-fill-column-indicator-warning-face' is used to
highlight the fill-column indicators. By default, this is disabled.
=20
+---
+*** New function 'flash-face-bell-function'.
+This function flash a face briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New function 'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
+This function flash current echo area briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-face-duration'.
+This option controls flash duration for 'flash-face-bell-function' and
+'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-face-faces'.
+This option tells 'flash-face-bell-function' which faces should flash.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-face-attributes'
+This option tells 'flash-face-bell-function' and
+'flash-echo-area-bell-function' which face attributes should use
+for flash.
+
---
** Flymake
=20
diff --git a/lisp/ring-bell-fns.el b/lisp/ring-bell-fns.el
new file mode 100644
index 00000000000..e9ab59ef34f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/lisp/ring-bell-fns.el
@@ -0,0 +1,95 @@
+;;; ring-bell-fns.el --- Collection of functions for ring-bell -*- lexica=
l-binding: t; -*-
+
+;; Copyright (C) 2025 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+
+;; Author: Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN>
+;; Keywords: faces
+
+;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.
+
+;; GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
+;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
+;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
+;; (at your option) any later version.
+
+;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
+;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
+;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
+;; GNU General Public License for more details.
+
+;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
+;; along with GNU Emacs. If not, see <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
+
+;;; Commentary:
+
+;; Collection of functions intended to be used with `ring-bell-function'.
+;; as alternatives to `visible-bell'
+
+;;; Code:
+(require 'face-remap)
+
+(defgroup ring-bell nil
+ "Customization options for ring bell."
+ :version "31.1"
+ :group 'emacs)
+
+(defcustom flash-face-attributes
+ '(:background "red" :foreground "white")
+ "Face attributes to use in any function from `ring-bell-fns'.
+This is intended to be used in any function from `ring-bell-fns' such as
+`flash-face-bell-function' and `flash-echo-area-bell-function' for make
+the flash face more noticeable."
+ :type 'plist
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defcustom flash-face-duration 0.05
+ "Time (in seconds) used for flash face duration."
+ :type 'number
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defcustom flash-face-faces
+ '(mode-line-active)
+ "A list of faces to be flashed by `flash-face-bell-function'."
+ :type '(repeat face)
+ :version "31.1")
+
+;;;###autoload
+(defun flash-face-bell-function ()
+ "Ring-bell function that flashes faces.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (when-let* (((numberp flash-face-duration)) ; Ensure time is a number
+ (cookies (mapcar (lambda (f) (apply #'face-remap-add-relativ=
e f flash-face-attributes))
+ flash-face-faces)))
+ (unwind-protect
+ ;; Use sit-for if the duration is very long for not blocking
+ ;; emacs, otherwise fallback to sleep-for.
+ (if (> flash-face-duration 0.1)
+ (sit-for flash-face-duration)
+ ;; And redisplay for apply the face remap
+ (redisplay)
+ (sleep-for flash-face-duration))
+ (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies))))
+
+;;;###autoload
+(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function ()
+ "Flash echo area as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (with-current-buffer (window-buffer (minibuffer-window)) ; Get in minibu=
ffer buffer
+ (let ((cookie (apply #'face-remap-add-relative 'default flash-face-att=
ributes)))
+ ;; When minibuffer is not displaying anything (empty) the face
+ ;; remap will not work, insert an temporal space in the
+ ;; minibuffer ONLY if it's empty for fix this.
+ (if (=3D (buffer-size) 0)
+ (insert ?\s))
+ (unwind-protect
+ ;; Use sit-for if the duration is very long for not blocking
+ ;; emacs, otherwise fallback to sleep-for.
+ (if (> flash-face-duration 0.1)
+ (sit-for flash-face-duration)
+ ;; And redisplay for apply the face remap
+ (redisplay)
+ (sleep-for flash-face-duration))
+ (face-remap-remove-relative cookie)))))
+
+(provide 'ring-bell-fns)
+;;; ring-bell-fns.el ends here
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This is a minor convenience > > feature, so it doesn't have to be preloaded. It can be on a separate > > file with the 2 functions it exports autoloaded. > > Sure, but wouldn't be redundant making yet another file for just these 2 > functions? Nothing wrong with having a separate file for this feature. We could call it ring-bell-fns.el or something, and with time other ring-bell functions might be added to it. Alternatively, we could add these two functions and the related variables to subr-x.el. > >> + (unwind-protect > >> + (sit-for flash-face-duration) > >> + (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies)))) > > > > Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait. Other > > ring-bell-functions don't behave like that. Are you sure sleep-for is > > not better for this purpose? > > Emacs would freeze if I use sleep-for instead, I've tested using it > but it seems that emacs is going to crash, very uncomfortable when I'm > editing quickly. But that's how the built-in ring-bell functions work: they wait unconditionally. As I explained earlier, using sit-for might cause the entire feature to seem not to work. As a compromise, perhaps use sleep-for if the time is short enough, and sit-for otherwise? > >> +(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function () > >> + "Flash echo area as ring a bell. > >> +Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'." > >> + ;; like `with-temp-message' but suppress message log for not flood > >> + ;; messages buffer > >> + (unless (minibufferp) ; Avoid conflicts if cursor is in minibuffer > > > > What conflict is that? > > > > It seems like the above means the feature will not work (i.e., no > > flash) if the minibuffer is active? If so, is that a good idea? > > When the cursor is the minibuffer (eval-expression, M-x and like) and the > ring-bell function is called the message is displayed as: > "[ ]" > ^ The bell face. > > I found that it's caused by `minibuffer-message', but I'm not sure why > and how to remove the "[" "]". That's a feature: the "[...]" is intended to tell the user that the message is from some background processing, unrelated to the minibuffer prompt. Why did you want to remove the brackets? > I honestly think that while in the minibuffer this function is not > necessary since it already displays a message (since you are supposed to > be focused on the minibuffer) Again, that's not how other ring-bell alternatives work. > For example: > Typing `M-x' inside minibuffer displays message: > [Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer] > > If this function (flash-echo-area-bell-function) is enabled there > it would display: > [ > ] > > and later: > > [Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer] This probably means there's some subtle bug in the current implementation, and avoiding to flash when in the minibuffer just sweeps the bug under the carpet. I suggest to debug the reasons and fix them, or at least understand them well enough so that we could reason whether fixing them is a good idea. > >> + (let ((with-temp-message > >> + (propertize " " 'display `(space :align-to right) 'face > >> + 'flash-face)) > > > > Why do you use propertize here instead of face-remap-add-relative? > > That is for the echo-area/minibuffer, which AFAIK doesn't have a face > that i can use for this. So instead it displays an empty message with > a face that extends to the end of minibuffer. The face used by default in the echo-area is the default face. (There could be cases when echo-area messages use other, non-default faces.) > +(defcustom flash-face-duration 0.05 > + "Time (in seconds) used for flash face duration." > + :type 'number > + :group 'faces Are you sure this is the best group for this option? Why not something related to flash-bell or bell-ring? Same question regarding the faces defined for this feature: placing them in the faces group could drown them in the large sea of faces we have, and make them less discoverable.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> --- a/lisp/faces.el
>> +++ b/lisp/faces.el
>> @@ -2825,6 +2825,17 @@ header-line-inactive
>> :group 'mode-line-faces
>> :group 'basic-faces)
>>
>> +(defface flash-face
>> + '((((class color) (min-colors 88))
>> + :background "red3" :foreground "white")
>> + (((class color grayscale) (min-colors 88))
>> + :background "grey10" :foreground "white")
>> + (t
>> + :inherit error :inverse-video t))
>> + "Basic face used for flash a face briefly."
>> + :version "31.1"
>> + :group 'basic-faces)
>
> Can you tell why this face is defined in faces.el? We don't need to
> have it preloaded in Emacs. Moreover, AFAIU this is not really a
> face, to be used like other faces. Instead, this is just a collection
> of face attributes to add to other faces for producing the "flash"
> effect. So I'd rather we would not even use defface for it. Or if
> the alternatives are too awkward and inconvenient, at least let's make
> the name of this face be an internal name (with two dashes), and
> explain in the doc string how is this used.
I made it a defface specially for any custom theme that wants to set it.
So it can be "updated" to fit the current theme.
Anyway, I've changed it to a defcustom.
>> --- a/lisp/simple.el
>> +++ b/lisp/simple.el
>> @@ -9389,6 +9389,50 @@ auto-save-mode
>> (and (< buffer-saved-size 0)
>> (setq buffer-saved-size 0)))
>
> I don't think we need this in simple.el. This is a minor convenience
> feature, so it doesn't have to be preloaded. It can be on a separate
> file with the 2 functions it exports autoloaded.
Sure, but wouldn't be redundant making yet another file for just these 2
functions? I added to simple.el because i didn't know where to put the code.
In that case I have moved it to a separate file.
>> +(defcustom flash-face-duration 0.05
>> + "Time (in seconds) used for flash face duration."
>> + :type 'float
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Why not 'number instead? Do you really want to support only floats?
Ops, i forgot it.
>> +Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
>> + (when-let* (flash-face-duration ; Ensure time is non-nil
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Why non-nil and not numberp?
Fixed.
>> + (cookies (mapcar (lambda (f) (face-remap-add-relative f 'flash-face))
>> + flash-face-faces)))
>
> Are you sure using face-remap-add-relative will work as expected with
> any face in flash-face-faces? Support for face remapping is not
> magic, it must be explicitly coded in several places. It might work
> quite well for basic faces, but I'm not sure what happens with faces
> defined by various packages. For that reason, I'm not sure asking
> users to specify a list of faces is the best idea. How many different
> faces did you test this with? Did you try the default face, or
> diff-mode faces, for example?
I've tested it with built-in faces and with some third-party packages;
it works fine:
(setopt flash-face-faces
'(mode-line-active
mode-line
default
hl-line
trailing-whitespace
whitespace-trailing
header-line-active
header-line
diff-added
diff-removed
diff-refine-added
diff-indicator-added
tab-bar
tab-bar-tab
centaur-tabs-selected
centaur-tabs-close-selected
solaire-mode-line-inactive-face
solaire-mode-line-active-face))
And it should work for every face defined.
Asking to user to specify others faces is necessary from my POV,
there are packages that overrides some faces with their own one.
>> + (unwind-protect
>> + (sit-for flash-face-duration)
>> + (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies))))
>
> Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait. Other
> ring-bell-functions don't behave like that. Are you sure sleep-for is
> not better for this purpose?
Emacs would freeze if I use sleep-for instead, I've tested using it
but it seems that emacs is going to crash, very uncomfortable when I'm
editing quickly. Using sit-for at least makes it noticeable and without
interrupting you while editing. I had planned to use `run-with-timer'
but as Ship pointed, it is not recommended.
>> +(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function ()
>> + "Flash echo area as ring a bell.
>> +Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
>> + ;; like `with-temp-message' but suppress message log for not flood
>> + ;; messages buffer
>> + (unless (minibufferp) ; Avoid conflicts if cursor is in minibuffer
>
> What conflict is that?
>
> It seems like the above means the feature will not work (i.e., no
> flash) if the minibuffer is active? If so, is that a good idea?
When the cursor is the minibuffer (eval-expression, M-x and like) and the
ring-bell function is called the message is displayed as:
"[ ]"
^ The bell face.
I found that it's caused by `minibuffer-message', but I'm not sure why
and how to remove the "[" "]".
I honestly think that while in the minibuffer this function is not
necessary since it already displays a message (since you are supposed to
be focused on the minibuffer)
For example:
Typing `M-x' inside minibuffer displays message:
[Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer]
If this function (flash-echo-area-bell-function) is enabled there
it would display:
[
]
and later:
[Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer]
>> + (let ((with-temp-message
>> + (propertize " " 'display `(space :align-to right) 'face
>> + 'flash-face))
>
> Why do you use propertize here instead of face-remap-add-relative?
That is for the echo-area/minibuffer, which AFAIK doesn't have a face
that i can use for this. So instead it displays an empty message with
a face that extends to the end of minibuffer.
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 11:38:21 -0600
Subject: [PATCH] New ring-bell functions for flash faces. (bug#77715)
New functions for flash any face or echo area once whether
`ring-bell-function' is called.
* lisp/flash-bell.el: New file.
* etc/NEWS: Announce changes.
---
etc/NEWS | 25 +++++++++++++
lisp/flash-bell.el | 90 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2 files changed, 115 insertions(+)
create mode 100644 lisp/flash-bell.el
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index a5936b1c6cf..6eee690e09b 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -1935,6 +1935,31 @@ change their face if the current line exceeds the 'f=
ill-column'. The
new face 'display-fill-column-indicator-warning-face' is used to
highlight the fill-column indicators. By default, this is disabled.
=20
+---
+*** New function 'flash-face-bell-function'.
+This function flash a face briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New function 'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
+This function flash current echo area briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-face-duration'.
+This option controls flash duration for 'flash-face-bell-function' and
+'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-face-faces'.
+This option tells 'flash-face-bell-function' which faces should flash.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-face-attributes'
+This option tells 'flash-face-bell-function' and
+'flash-echo-area-bell-function' which face attributes should use
+for flash.
+
---
** Flymake
=20
diff --git a/lisp/flash-bell.el b/lisp/flash-bell.el
new file mode 100644
index 00000000000..a50c23ae3ea
--- /dev/null
+++ b/lisp/flash-bell.el
@@ -0,0 +1,90 @@
+;;; flash-bell.el --- Functions intended to be used in ring-bell-function =
-*- lexical-binding: t; -*-
+
+;; Copyright (C) 2025 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+
+;; Author: Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN>
+;; Keywords: faces
+
+;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.
+
+;; GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
+;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
+;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
+;; (at your option) any later version.
+
+;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
+;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
+;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
+;; GNU General Public License for more details.
+
+;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
+;; along with GNU Emacs. If not, see <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
+
+;;; Commentary:
+
+;; Functions for flash something whether `ring-bell-function' is called.
+
+;;; Code:
+(require 'face-remap)
+
+(defcustom flash-face-attributes
+ '(:background "red" :foreground "white")
+ "Face attributes to use in any function from flash-bell.el.
+This is intended to be used in any function from flash-bell.el such as
+`flash-face-bell-function' and `flash-echo-area-bell-function' for make
+the flash face more noticeable."
+ :type 'plist
+ :group 'faces
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defcustom flash-face-duration 0.05
+ "Time (in seconds) used for flash face duration."
+ :type 'number
+ :group 'faces
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defcustom flash-face-faces
+ '(mode-line-active)
+ "A list of faces to be flashed by `flash-face-bell-function'."
+ :type '(repeat face)
+ :group 'faces
+ :version "31.1")
+
+;;;###autoload
+(defun flash-face-bell-function ()
+ "Ring-bell function that flashes faces.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (when-let* (((numberp flash-face-duration)) ; Ensure time is a number
+ (cookies (mapcar (lambda (f) (apply #'face-remap-add-relativ=
e f flash-face-attributes))
+ flash-face-faces)))
+ (unwind-protect
+ (sit-for flash-face-duration)
+ (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies))))
+
+;;;###autoload
+(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function ()
+ "Flash echo area as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ ;; like `with-temp-message' but suppress message log for not flood
+ ;; messages buffer.
+ ;; If we are inside minibuffer, it already displays a noticeable message
+ ;; that can make our bell does not display properly, so disable it
+ ;; only if we are there.
+ (unless (minibufferp)
+ (let ((with-temp-message
+ (propertize " " 'display `(space :align-to right) 'face
+ flash-face-attributes))
+ (current-message))
+ (unwind-protect
+ (progn
+ (when with-temp-message
+ (setq current-message (current-message))
+ (let (message-log-max)
+ (message "%s" with-temp-message)))
+ (sit-for flash-face-duration))
+ (and with-temp-message
+ (if current-message (message "%s" current-message)
+ (message nil)))))))
+
+(provide 'flash-bell)
+;;; flash-bell.el ends here
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To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002b0e3d0633d698c0" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77715 Cc: eg642616@HIDDEN, 77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000002b0e3d0633d698c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 9:19=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 09:06:42 -0400 > > Cc: Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN>, > > 77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@HIDDEN > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 7:35=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wr= ote: > > > > > + (cookies (mapcar (lambda (f) (face-remap-add-relative > f 'flash-face)) > > > + flash-face-faces))) > > > > Are you sure using face-remap-add-relative will work as expected with > > any face in flash-face-faces? Support for face remapping is not > > magic, it must be explicitly coded in several places. It might work > > quite well for basic faces, but I'm not sure what happens with faces > > defined by various packages. For that reason, I'm not sure asking > > users to specify a list of faces is the best idea. How many different > > faces did you test this with? Did you try the default face, or > > diff-mode faces, for example? > > > > I use my version of this implementation with the following list of > faces: '(internal-border tab-bar > > mode-line-active mode-line-inactive) > > These are all basic faces (see xfaces.c), for which the C code applies > face-remapping. I asked about other faces. > I haven't tried others is what I was saying. Elijah should test more faces as part of the due diligence to get this into Emacs core. > > + (unwind-protect > > > + (sit-for flash-face-duration) > > > + (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies)))) > > > > Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait. Other > > ring-bell-functions don't behave like that. Are you sure sleep-for is > > not better for this purpose? > > > > My implementation uses sit-for and the duration is short enough (mine i= s > set to 0.05 seconds) that this is > > fine. And if it were any longer, I'd want C-g to interrupt it and > remove the remappings. > > What if the user want 0.1 sec, and there's an input event after just > 10 msec? The difference is perceptible by humans. > Same. The ring bell use case is sufficiently visually intrusive that if the sit-for is interrupted by an input event, I'm good with that. --0000000000002b0e3d0633d698c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 9:19=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto= :eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class=3D"= gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding= -left:1ex">> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN"= target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 09:06:42 -0400<br> > Cc: Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <<a href=3D"mailto:eg642616@HIDDEN" t= arget=3D"_blank">eg642616@HIDDEN</a>>, <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" tar= get=3D"_blank">77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:drew.adams@orac= le.com" target=3D"_blank">drew.adams@HIDDEN</a><br> > <br> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 7:35=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"m= ailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> >=C2=A0 > +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (cookies = (mapcar (lambda (f) (face-remap-add-relative f 'flash-face))<br> >=C2=A0 > +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0flash-face-faces)))<= br> > <br> >=C2=A0 Are you sure using face-remap-add-relative will work as expected= with<br> >=C2=A0 any face in flash-face-faces?=C2=A0 Support for face remapping i= s not<br> >=C2=A0 magic, it must be explicitly coded in several places.=C2=A0 It m= ight work<br> >=C2=A0 quite well for basic faces, but I'm not sure what happens wi= th faces<br> >=C2=A0 defined by various packages.=C2=A0 For that reason, I'm not = sure asking<br> >=C2=A0 users to specify a list of faces is the best idea.=C2=A0 How man= y different<br> >=C2=A0 faces did you test this with?=C2=A0 Did you try the default face= , or<br> >=C2=A0 diff-mode faces, for example?<br> > <br> > I use my version of this implementation with the following list of fac= es: '(internal-border tab-bar<br> > mode-line-active mode-line-inactive)<br> <br> These are all basic faces (see xfaces.c), for which the C code applies<br> face-remapping.=C2=A0 I asked about other faces.<br></blockquote><div><br><= /div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I haven&#= 39;t tried others is what I was saying.=C2=A0 Elijah should test more faces= as part of the due diligence to get this into Emacs core.</div><div class= =3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><blockquote cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid= rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> >=C2=A0 > +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (unwind-protect<br> >=C2=A0 > +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (sit-for flash-face-duration)<= br> >=C2=A0 > +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relativ= e cookies))))<br> > <br> >=C2=A0 Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait.=C2= =A0 Other<br> >=C2=A0 ring-bell-functions don't behave like that.=C2=A0 Are you su= re sleep-for is<br> >=C2=A0 not better for this purpose?<br> > <br> > My implementation uses sit-for and the duration is short enough (mine = is set to 0.05 seconds) that this is<br> > fine.=C2=A0 And if it were any longer, I'd want C-g to interrupt i= t and remove the remappings.<br> <br> What if the user want 0.1 sec, and there's an input event after just<br= > 10 msec?=C2=A0 The difference is perceptible by humans.<br></blockquote><di= v><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">Sa= me. The ring bell use case is sufficiently visually intrusive that if the s= it-for is interrupted by an input event, I'm good with that.</div></div= ></div> --0000000000002b0e3d0633d698c0--
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77715; Package emacs.
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References: <87r01zlx4n.fsf@HIDDEN> <DS7PR10MB5232FF7F825F7B8D71EF9609F3B72@HIDDEN> <874iyvetl1.fsf@HIDDEN> <DS7PR10MB523264B60A4FBADC1E5185E7F3B72@HIDDEN> <DS7PR10MB52322142B2862E67A184FFF7F3B72@HIDDEN> <874iyvv1te.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr5JVeML4NkxFEfsdNRg+De9D1S+TVShKqObDgT+F4SAw@HIDDEN> <87plhitvdl.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbrq72q=RkedojaPKWL6pA=DSmEURdO8z0BMrak7z9qaKA@HIDDEN> <87wmbqpmb7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bjsh79sl.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldrkr01n.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbp6oZvkNq3xhYprYS3X8H=39ajyDHGL3KsGpBZ0ZDnFYg@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77715 Cc: eg642616@HIDDEN, 77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 09:06:42 -0400 > Cc: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616@HIDDEN>, > 77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@HIDDEN > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 7:35 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > > + (cookies (mapcar (lambda (f) (face-remap-add-relative f 'flash-face)) > > + flash-face-faces))) > > Are you sure using face-remap-add-relative will work as expected with > any face in flash-face-faces? Support for face remapping is not > magic, it must be explicitly coded in several places. It might work > quite well for basic faces, but I'm not sure what happens with faces > defined by various packages. For that reason, I'm not sure asking > users to specify a list of faces is the best idea. How many different > faces did you test this with? Did you try the default face, or > diff-mode faces, for example? > > I use my version of this implementation with the following list of faces: '(internal-border tab-bar > mode-line-active mode-line-inactive) These are all basic faces (see xfaces.c), for which the C code applies face-remapping. I asked about other faces. > > + (unwind-protect > > + (sit-for flash-face-duration) > > + (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies)))) > > Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait. Other > ring-bell-functions don't behave like that. Are you sure sleep-for is > not better for this purpose? > > My implementation uses sit-for and the duration is short enough (mine is set to 0.05 seconds) that this is > fine. And if it were any longer, I'd want C-g to interrupt it and remove the remappings. What if the user want 0.1 sec, and there's an input event after just 10 msec? The difference is perceptible by humans.
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Support for face remapping is not > magic, it must be explicitly coded in several places. It might work > quite well for basic faces, but I'm not sure what happens with faces > defined by various packages. For that reason, I'm not sure asking > users to specify a list of faces is the best idea. How many different > faces did you test this with? Did you try the default face, or > diff-mode faces, for example? > I use my version of this implementation with the following list of faces: '(internal-border tab-bar mode-line-active mode-line-inactive) > + (unwind-protect > > + (sit-for flash-face-duration) > > + (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies)))) > > Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait. Other > ring-bell-functions don't behave like that. Are you sure sleep-for is > not better for this purpose? > My implementation uses sit-for and the duration is short enough (mine is set to 0.05 seconds) that this is fine. And if it were any longer, I'd want C-g to interrupt it and remove the remappings. > > > +(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function () > > + "Flash echo area as ring a bell. > > +Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'." > > + ;; like `with-temp-message' but suppress message log for not flood > > + ;; messages buffer > > + (unless (minibufferp) ; Avoid conflicts if cursor is in minibuffer > > What conflict is that? > > It seems like the above means the feature will not work (i.e., no > flash) if the minibuffer is active? If so, is that a good idea? > My implementation doesn't have this condition so I'm not sure what it tries to do or avoid. -Stephane --000000000000a6451c0633d65bc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 7:35=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto= :eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class=3D"= gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding= -left:1ex">> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (cookies = (mapcar (lambda (f) (face-remap-add-relative f 'flash-face))<br> > +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0flash-face-faces)))<br> <br> Are you sure using face-remap-add-relative will work as expected with<br> any face in flash-face-faces?=C2=A0 Support for face remapping is not<br> magic, it must be explicitly coded in several places.=C2=A0 It might work<b= r> quite well for basic faces, but I'm not sure what happens with faces<br= > defined by various packages.=C2=A0 For that reason, I'm not sure asking= <br> users to specify a list of faces is the best idea.=C2=A0 How many different= <br> faces did you test this with?=C2=A0 Did you try the default face, or<br> diff-mode faces, for example?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"= gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I use my version of this imp= lementation with the following list of faces: '(internal-border tab-bar= mode-line-active mode-line-inactive)</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty= le=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st= yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd= ing-left:1ex"> > +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (unwind-protect<br> > +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (sit-for flash-face-duration)<br> > +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies))= ))<br> <br> Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait.=C2=A0 Other<br= > ring-bell-functions don't behave like that.=C2=A0 Are you sure sleep-fo= r is<br> not better for this purpose?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"g= mail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">My implementation uses sit-fo= r and the duration is short enough (mine is set to 0.05 seconds) that this = is fine.=C2=A0 And if it were any longer, I'd want C-g to interrupt it = and remove the remappings.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"= margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef= t:1ex"><br> > +(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function ()<br> > +=C2=A0 "Flash echo area as ring a bell.<br> > +Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."<br> > +=C2=A0 ;; like `with-temp-message' but suppress message log for n= ot flood<br> > +=C2=A0 ;; messages buffer<br> > +=C2=A0 (unless (minibufferp) ; Avoid conflicts if cursor is in minibu= ffer<br> <br> What conflict is that?<br> <br> It seems like the above means the feature will not work (i.e., no<br> flash) if the minibuffer is active?=C2=A0 If so, is that a good idea?<br></= blockquote><div><font face=3D"monospace"><br></font></div><div><div class= =3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font face=3D"monospace">My implementation do= esn't have this condition so I'm not sure what it tries to do or av= oid.</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font face=3D"mono= space">=C2=A0</font></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><fo= nt face=3D"monospace">-Stephane</font></div></div></div> --000000000000a6451c0633d65bc6--
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Subject: Re: bug#77715: [PATCH] Add ring-bell functions for mode line and
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> From: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN>, drew.adams@HIDDEN, eliz@HIDDEN
> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 12:12:58 -0600
>
> I don't know if there still interest on this,
> I'm sending here a fixed and updated version of this patch.
>
> This is ready to merge into master (unless there is something else).
Thanks, but there are a few aspects of this that I think "need work".
> +** New face 'flash-face'.
> +This face is used for flash a face briefly.
> +Mainly used for 'flash-echo-area-bell-function' and
> +'flash-face-bell-function'.
I see no reason to announce this face in NEWS for the reasons I
explain below.
> +---
> +*** New function 'flash-face-bell-function'.
> +This function when called will flash a face briefly.
> +Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
> +
> +---
> +*** New function 'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
> +This function when called will flash current echo area briefly.
> +Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
The "when called" part is redundant: it should be clear that a
function can do its job only if called.
> --- a/lisp/faces.el
> +++ b/lisp/faces.el
> @@ -2825,6 +2825,17 @@ header-line-inactive
> :group 'mode-line-faces
> :group 'basic-faces)
>
> +(defface flash-face
> + '((((class color) (min-colors 88))
> + :background "red3" :foreground "white")
> + (((class color grayscale) (min-colors 88))
> + :background "grey10" :foreground "white")
> + (t
> + :inherit error :inverse-video t))
> + "Basic face used for flash a face briefly."
> + :version "31.1"
> + :group 'basic-faces)
Can you tell why this face is defined in faces.el? We don't need to
have it preloaded in Emacs. Moreover, AFAIU this is not really a
face, to be used like other faces. Instead, this is just a collection
of face attributes to add to other faces for producing the "flash"
effect. So I'd rather we would not even use defface for it. Or if
the alternatives are too awkward and inconvenient, at least let's make
the name of this face be an internal name (with two dashes), and
explain in the doc string how is this used.
> --- a/lisp/simple.el
> +++ b/lisp/simple.el
> @@ -9389,6 +9389,50 @@ auto-save-mode
> (and (< buffer-saved-size 0)
> (setq buffer-saved-size 0)))
I don't think we need this in simple.el. This is a minor convenience
feature, so it doesn't have to be preloaded. It can be on a separate
file with the 2 functions it exports autoloaded.
> +(defcustom flash-face-duration 0.05
> + "Time (in seconds) used for flash face duration."
> + :type 'float
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why not 'number instead? Do you really want to support only floats?
> +(defcustom flash-face-faces
> + '(mode-line-active)
> + "A list of faces which `flash-face-bell-function' will flash them."
The doc string reads awkwardly. I suggest
Faces to be flashed by `flash-face-bell-function'.
> +(defun flash-face-bell-function ()
> + "Flash a face or faces as ring a bell.
I'd say "Ring-bell function that flashes faces instead."
> +Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
> + (when-let* (flash-face-duration ; Ensure time is non-nil
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why non-nil and not numberp?
> + (cookies (mapcar (lambda (f) (face-remap-add-relative f 'flash-face))
> + flash-face-faces)))
Are you sure using face-remap-add-relative will work as expected with
any face in flash-face-faces? Support for face remapping is not
magic, it must be explicitly coded in several places. It might work
quite well for basic faces, but I'm not sure what happens with faces
defined by various packages. For that reason, I'm not sure asking
users to specify a list of faces is the best idea. How many different
faces did you test this with? Did you try the default face, or
diff-mode faces, for example?
> + (unwind-protect
> + (sit-for flash-face-duration)
> + (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies))))
Using sit-for means any input event will interrupt the wait. Other
ring-bell-functions don't behave like that. Are you sure sleep-for is
not better for this purpose?
> +(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function ()
> + "Flash echo area as ring a bell.
> +Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
> + ;; like `with-temp-message' but suppress message log for not flood
> + ;; messages buffer
> + (unless (minibufferp) ; Avoid conflicts if cursor is in minibuffer
What conflict is that?
It seems like the above means the feature will not work (i.e., no
flash) if the minibuffer is active? If so, is that a good idea?
> + (let ((with-temp-message
> + (propertize " " 'display `(space :align-to right) 'face
> + 'flash-face))
Why do you use propertize here instead of face-remap-add-relative?
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Subject: Re: bug#77715: [PATCH] Add ring-bell functions for mode line and
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I don't know if there still interest on this,
I'm sending here a fixed and updated version of this patch.
This is ready to merge into master (unless there is something else).
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 11:38:21 -0600
Subject: [PATCH] New ring-bell functions for flash faces. (bug#77715)
New functions for flash any face or echo area once whether
`ring-bell-function' is called.
* lisp/faces.el (flash-face): New face.
* lisp/simple.el (flash-line-duration, flash-face-faces): New
user options.
(flash-face-bell-function, flash-echo-area-bell-function): New
functions.
---
etc/NEWS | 24 ++++++++++++++++++++++++
lisp/faces.el | 11 +++++++++++
lisp/simple.el | 44 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
3 files changed, 79 insertions(+)
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index ade5abc43fc..8fb56c341f5 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -429,6 +429,11 @@ on the header lines are now these two: the selected window uses
** In 'customize-face', the "Font family" attribute now supports completion.
+** New face 'flash-face'.
+This face is used for flash a face briefly.
+Mainly used for 'flash-echo-area-bell-function' and
+'flash-face-bell-function'.
+
** 'process-adaptive-read-buffering' is now nil by default.
Setting this variable to a non-nil value reduces performance and leads
to wrong results in some cases. We believe that it is no longer useful;
@@ -1919,6 +1924,25 @@ change their face if the current line exceeds the 'fill-column'. The
new face 'display-fill-column-indicator-warning-face' is used to
highlight the fill-column indicators. By default this is disabled.
+---
+*** New function 'flash-face-bell-function'.
+This function when called will flash a face briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New function 'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
+This function when called will flash current echo area briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-face-duration'.
+This option controls flash duration for 'flash-face-bell-function' and
+'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-face-faces'.
+This option tells 'flash-face-bell-function' which faces should flash.
+
---
** Flymake
diff --git a/lisp/faces.el b/lisp/faces.el
index dbc0a2e04f6..b749627254c 100644
--- a/lisp/faces.el
+++ b/lisp/faces.el
@@ -2825,6 +2825,17 @@ header-line-inactive
:group 'mode-line-faces
:group 'basic-faces)
+(defface flash-face
+ '((((class color) (min-colors 88))
+ :background "red3" :foreground "white")
+ (((class color grayscale) (min-colors 88))
+ :background "grey10" :foreground "white")
+ (t
+ :inherit error :inverse-video t))
+ "Basic face used for flash a face briefly."
+ :version "31.1"
+ :group 'basic-faces)
+
(defface vertical-border
'((((type tty)) :inherit mode-line-inactive))
"Face used for vertical window dividers on ttys."
diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index ee09a6f1b19..5aa3027ada2 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -9389,6 +9389,50 @@ auto-save-mode
(and (< buffer-saved-size 0)
(setq buffer-saved-size 0)))
+(declare-function face-remap-remove-relative "face-remap" (cookie))
+
+(defcustom flash-face-duration 0.05
+ "Time (in seconds) used for flash face duration."
+ :type 'float
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defcustom flash-face-faces
+ '(mode-line-active)
+ "A list of faces which `flash-face-bell-function' will flash them."
+ :type '(repeat face)
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defun flash-face-bell-function ()
+ "Flash a face or faces as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (when-let* (flash-face-duration ; Ensure time is non-nil
+ (cookies (mapcar (lambda (f) (face-remap-add-relative f 'flash-face))
+ flash-face-faces)))
+ (unwind-protect
+ (sit-for flash-face-duration)
+ (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies))))
+
+(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function ()
+ "Flash echo area as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ ;; like `with-temp-message' but suppress message log for not flood
+ ;; messages buffer
+ (unless (minibufferp) ; Avoid conflicts if cursor is in minibuffer
+ (let ((with-temp-message
+ (propertize " " 'display `(space :align-to right) 'face
+ 'flash-face))
+ (current-message))
+ (unwind-protect
+ (progn
+ (when with-temp-message
+ (setq current-message (current-message))
+ (let (message-log-max)
+ (message "%s" with-temp-message)))
+ (sit-for flash-face-duration))
+ (and with-temp-message
+ (if current-message (message "%s" current-message)
+ (message nil)))))))
+
(defgroup paren-blinking nil
"Blinking matching of parens and expressions."
:prefix "blink-matching-"
--
2.49.0
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Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes:
> Anyway, it changed it for use sit-for instead.
>
> Cool. You wrapped it with unwind-protect, yes?
Yes.
>>> Is a new face really necessary just to implement a flash? The implementation I proposed
>>> allows the user to specify any face attributes to define what they want for a flash. I wouldn't use this
>>> feature without it being more reliable and flexible.
>> I think that adding a new face for this would be better, it makes custom
>> themes set it and change it dynamically; of course, the user can change
>> face attributes freely.
> As long as the implementation accepts a list of faces to flash as mine does, that sounds good. I'd just
> ignore the new face in my use.
Yeah it does:
+(defcustom flash-face-faces
+ '(mode-line-active)
By default it is set to `mode-line-active'.
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To: =?UTF-8?Q?Elijah_Gabe_P=C3=A9rez?= <eg642616@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000078de3f063284ca09" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77715 Cc: 77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000078de3f063284ca09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 2:18=E2=80=AFPM Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@gm= ail.com> wrote: > Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes: > > I think the term duration is better than length when describing time > intervals. > > I agree. > > > I still prefer the unwind-protected sit-for method that guarantees the > remaps are removed to the one with > > the timer where I've experienced errors intervening with a race > condition creating new cookies that are > > not removed. Try mashing C-g with your timer implementation and you'll > see it. > > The problem with using sit-for is that it delays the message displayed > (usually "Quit") until timer stops (or if there is an input), it look > like Emacs froze. > At 0.05 seconds, that's not likely. Anyway, it changed it for use sit-for instead. > Cool. You wrapped it with unwind-protect, yes? > Is a new face really necessary just to implement a flash? The > implementation I proposed > > allows the user to specify any face attributes to define what they want > for a flash. I wouldn't use this > > feature without it being more reliable and flexible. > > I think that adding a new face for this would be better, it makes custom > themes set it and change it dynamically; of course, the user can change > face attributes freely. > As long as the implementation accepts a list of faces to flash as mine does, that sounds good. I'd just ignore the new face in my use. --00000000000078de3f063284ca09 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 2:18=E2=80=AFPM Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <<a href= =3D"mailto:eg642616@HIDDEN">eg642616@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></di= v></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg= b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints= @gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> > I think the term duration is better than length when describing time i= ntervals.<br> <br> I agree.<br> <br> > I still prefer the unwind-protected sit-for method that guarantees the= remaps are removed to the one with<br> > the timer where I've experienced errors intervening with a race co= ndition creating new cookies that are<br> > not removed.=C2=A0 Try mashing C-g with your timer implementation and = you'll see it.<br> <br> The problem with using sit-for is that it delays the message displayed<br> (usually "Quit") until timer stops (or if there is an input), it = look<br> like Emacs froze.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_d= efault" style=3D"font-family:monospace">At 0.05 seconds, that's not lik= ely.</div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m= argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left= :1ex"> Anyway, it changed it for use sit-for instead.<br></blockquote><div><br></d= iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">Cool.=C2=A0= You wrapped it with unwind-protect, yes?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"= style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote= " style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);= padding-left:1ex"> > Is a new face really necessary just to implement a flash?=C2=A0 The im= plementation I proposed<br> > allows the user to specify any face attributes to define what they wan= t for a flash.=C2=A0 I wouldn't use this<br> > feature without it being more reliable and flexible.<br> <br> I think that adding a new face for this would be better, it makes custom<br= > themes set it and change it dynamically; of course, the user can change<br> face attributes freely.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_= default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">As long as the implementation acce= pts a list of faces to flash as mine does, that sounds good.=C2=A0 I'd = just ignore the new face in my use.</div></div></div> --00000000000078de3f063284ca09--
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Subject: Re: bug#77715: [PATCH] Add ring-bell functions for mode line and
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Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes:
> I think the term duration is better than length when describing time intervals.
I agree.
> I still prefer the unwind-protected sit-for method that guarantees the remaps are removed to the one with
> the timer where I've experienced errors intervening with a race condition creating new cookies that are
> not removed. Try mashing C-g with your timer implementation and you'll see it.
The problem with using sit-for is that it delays the message displayed
(usually "Quit") until timer stops (or if there is an input), it look
like Emacs froze.
Anyway, it changed it for use sit-for instead.
> Is a new face really necessary just to implement a flash? The implementation I proposed
> allows the user to specify any face attributes to define what they want for a flash. I wouldn't use this
> feature without it being more reliable and flexible.
I think that adding a new face for this would be better, it makes custom
themes set it and change it dynamically; of course, the user can change
face attributes freely.
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 11:38:21 -0600
Subject: [PATCH] Add ring-bell function for flash faces. (bug#77715)
New functions for flash any face or echo area once whether
`ring-bell-function' is called.
* lisp/faces.el (flash-face): New face.
* lisp/simple.el (flash-line-duration, flash-face-faces): New
user option.
(flash-face-bell-function, flash-echo-area-bell-function): New
functions.
---
etc/NEWS | 24 ++++++++++++++++++++++++
lisp/faces.el | 11 +++++++++++
lisp/simple.el | 31 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
3 files changed, 66 insertions(+)
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index c08b0052639..dcf3608fcf5 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -1716,6 +1716,25 @@ change their face if the current line exceeds the 'fill-column'. The
new face 'display-fill-column-indicator-warning-face' is used to
highlight the fill-column indicators. By default this is disabled.
+---
+*** New function 'flash-face-bell-function'.
+This function when called will flash a face briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New function 'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
+This function when called will flash current echo area briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-face-duration'.
+This option controls duration for 'flash-face-bell-function' and
+'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-face-faces'.
+This option tells 'flash-face-bell-function' which faces should flash.
+
* New Modes and Packages in Emacs 31.1
@@ -1753,6 +1772,11 @@ modes that support it, such as: c-mode, c++-mode, java-mode, js-mode,
css-mode, and derived: html-mode, mhtml-mode, xml-mode and nxml-mode,
pascal-mode, lua-ts-mode, lisp-mode and common-lisp-mode
+** New face 'flash-face'.
+This face is used for flash a face briefly.
+Mainly used for 'flash-echo-area-bell-function' and
+'flash-face-bell-function'.
+
* Incompatible Lisp Changes in Emacs 31.1
diff --git a/lisp/faces.el b/lisp/faces.el
index dbc0a2e04f6..b749627254c 100644
--- a/lisp/faces.el
+++ b/lisp/faces.el
@@ -2825,6 +2825,17 @@ header-line-inactive
:group 'mode-line-faces
:group 'basic-faces)
+(defface flash-face
+ '((((class color) (min-colors 88))
+ :background "red3" :foreground "white")
+ (((class color grayscale) (min-colors 88))
+ :background "grey10" :foreground "white")
+ (t
+ :inherit error :inverse-video t))
+ "Basic face used for flash a face briefly."
+ :version "31.1"
+ :group 'basic-faces)
+
(defface vertical-border
'((((type tty)) :inherit mode-line-inactive))
"Face used for vertical window dividers on ttys."
diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index 7037158df8d..f2b94160cbd 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -9383,6 +9383,37 @@ auto-save-mode
(and (< buffer-saved-size 0)
(setq buffer-saved-size 0)))
+(defcustom flash-face-duration 0.05
+ "Time (in seconds) used for flash face duration."
+ :type 'float
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defcustom flash-face-faces
+ '(mode-line-active)
+ "A list of faces which `flash-face-bell-function' will flash them."
+ :type 'float
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defun flash-face-bell-function ()
+ "Flash a face or faces as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (when-let* (flash-face-duration ; Ensure time is non-nil
+ (cookies (mapcar (lambda (f) (face-remap-add-relative f 'flash-face))
+ flash-face-faces)))
+ (unwind-protect
+ (sit-for flash-face-duration)
+ (mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies))))
+
+(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function ()
+ "Flash echo area as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (message
+ (propertize "ring!"
+ 'display `(space . (:align-to right))
+ 'face 'flash-face))
+ (sit-for flash-face-duration)
+ (message ""))
+
(defgroup paren-blinking nil
"Blinking matching of parens and expressions."
:prefix "blink-matching-"
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To: =?UTF-8?Q?Elijah_Gabe_P=C3=A9rez?= <eg642616@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005acde306327f742b" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77715 Cc: "Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>, "77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <77715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000005acde306327f742b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 11:01=E2=80=AFPM Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@g= mail.com> wrote: > Drew Adams via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text > editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > > > I wrote: > > > >> When Emacs dings it's typically due to a user error. > >> > >> Where do you see the error message? In the echo area. > >> > >> Putting the attention-grabbing "flash" or whatever > >> in the echo area draws your attention to it, where > >> you see the msg telling you what happened. > >> > >> Why draw or keep the user's attention _away_ from > >> that message? The user error might have little or > >> nothing to do with the text at the cursor of the > >> selected window. > >> > >> Draw the user's attention _from_ there to the helpful > >> message. > > > > `visible-bell' has been around forever. Flashing > > the entire frame (or as the Emacs manual says, "the > > whole screen") is overkill, and it doesn't direct > > your attention to the error message. Similar problem > > with the alternatives I think you're considering, > > even if they're less overkill than `visible-bell' > > behavior. > > > > A modest attention-grabber, out of the way in the > > echo area is better, IMO. > > I think these features could coexist together, it wouldn't hurt. > > Flash the mode (or header) line for bell it is something that people > have wanted to have, see packages such as mode-line-bell, doom-themes > (both in MELPA), and nano-bell. > > I made my own implementation of echo-bell: I think the term duration is better than length when describing time intervals. I still prefer the unwind-protected sit-for method that guarantees the remaps are removed to the one with the timer where I've experienced errors intervening with a race condition creating new cookies that are not removed. Try mashing C-g with your timer implementation and you'll see it. I also prefer the implementation that I proposed that takes a list of faces to flash rather than hard-code an assumption about what users want to flash. Then this isn't tied to the mode line if that's not what people want. Is a new face really necessary just to implement a flash? The implementation I proposed allows the user to specify any face attributes to define what they want for a flash. I wouldn't use this feature without it being more reliable and flexible. --0000000000005acde306327f742b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 11:01=E2=80=AFPM Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <<a href= =3D"mailto:eg642616@HIDDEN">eg642616@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></di= v></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg= b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Drew Adams via "Bug reports for GNU E= macs, the Swiss army knife of text<br> editors" <<a href=3D"mailto:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank= ">bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> <br> > I wrote:<br> ><br> >> When Emacs dings it's typically due to a user error.<br> >> <br> >> Where do you see the error message? In the echo area.<br> >> <br> >> Putting the attention-grabbing "flash" or whatever<br> >> in the echo area draws your attention to it, where<br> >> you see the msg telling you what happened.<br> >> <br> >> Why draw or keep the user's attention _away_ from<br> >> that message? The user error might have little or<br> >> nothing to do with the text at the cursor of the<br> >> selected window.<br> >> <br> >> Draw the user's attention _from_ there to the helpful<br> >> message.<br> ><br> > `visible-bell' has been around forever. Flashing<br> > the entire frame (or as the Emacs manual says, "the<br> > whole screen") is overkill, and it doesn't direct<br> > your attention to the error message. Similar problem<br> > with the alternatives I think you're considering,<br> > even if they're less overkill than `visible-bell'<br> > behavior.<br> ><br> > A modest attention-grabber, out of the way in the <br> > echo area is better, IMO.<br> <br> I think these features could coexist together, it wouldn't hurt.<br> <br> Flash the mode (or header) line for bell it is something that people<br> have wanted to have, see packages such as mode-line-bell, doom-themes<br> (both in MELPA), and nano-bell.<br> <br> I made my own implementation of echo-bell:</blockquote><div><br></div><div = class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I think the term du= ration is better than length when describing time intervals.</div><div clas= s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D= "gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I still prefer the unwind-p= rotected sit-for method that guarantees the remaps are removed to the one w= ith the timer where I've experienced errors intervening with a race con= dition creating new cookies that are not removed.=C2=A0 Try mashing C-g wit= h your timer implementation and you'll see it.</div><div class=3D"gmail= _default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def= ault" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I also prefer the implementation that= I proposed that takes a list of faces to flash rather than hard-code an as= sumption about what users want to flash.=C2=A0 Then this isn't tied to = the mode line if that's not what people want.=C2=A0 Is a new face reall= y necessary=C2=A0just to implement a flash?=C2=A0 The implementation I prop= osed allows the user to specify any face attributes to define what they wan= t for a flash.=C2=A0 I wouldn't use this feature without it being more = reliable and flexible.</div></div></div> --0000000000005acde306327f742b--
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In the echo area. > >> > >> Putting the attention-grabbing "flash" or whatever > >> in the echo area draws your attention to it, where > >> you see the msg telling you what happened. > >> > >> Why draw or keep the user's attention _away_ from > >> that message? The user error might have little or > >> nothing to do with the text at the cursor of the > >> selected window. > >> > >> Draw the user's attention _from_ there to the helpful > >> message. > > > > `visible-bell' has been around forever. Flashing > > the entire frame (or as the Emacs manual says, "the > > whole screen") is overkill, and it doesn't direct > > your attention to the error message. Similar problem > > with the alternatives I think you're considering, > > even if they're less overkill than `visible-bell' > > behavior. > > > > A modest attention-grabber, out of the way in the > > echo area is better, IMO. > > I think these features could coexist together, it wouldn't hurt. > > Flash the mode (or header) line for bell it is something that people > have wanted to have, see packages such as mode-line-bell, doom-themes > (both in MELPA), and nano-bell. > > I made my own implementation of echo-bell: I think the term duration is better than length when describing time intervals. I still prefer the unwind-protected sit-for method that guarantees the remaps are removed to the one with the timer where I've experienced errors intervening with a race condition creating new cookies that are not removed. Try mashing C-g with your timer implementation and you'll see it. I also prefer the implementation that I proposed that takes a list of faces to flash rather than hard-code an assumption about what users want to flash. Then this isn't tied to the mode line if that's not what people want. Is a new face really necessary just to implement a flash? The implementation I proposed allows the user to specify any face attributes to define what they want for a flash. I wouldn't use this feature without it being more reliable and flexible. --0000000000005acde306327f742b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 11:01=E2=80=AFPM Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <<a href= =3D"mailto:eg642616@HIDDEN">eg642616@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></di= v></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg= b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Drew Adams via "Bug reports for GNU E= macs, the Swiss army knife of text<br> editors" <<a href=3D"mailto:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank= ">bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> <br> > I wrote:<br> ><br> >> When Emacs dings it's typically due to a user error.<br> >> <br> >> Where do you see the error message? In the echo area.<br> >> <br> >> Putting the attention-grabbing "flash" or whatever<br> >> in the echo area draws your attention to it, where<br> >> you see the msg telling you what happened.<br> >> <br> >> Why draw or keep the user's attention _away_ from<br> >> that message? The user error might have little or<br> >> nothing to do with the text at the cursor of the<br> >> selected window.<br> >> <br> >> Draw the user's attention _from_ there to the helpful<br> >> message.<br> ><br> > `visible-bell' has been around forever. Flashing<br> > the entire frame (or as the Emacs manual says, "the<br> > whole screen") is overkill, and it doesn't direct<br> > your attention to the error message. Similar problem<br> > with the alternatives I think you're considering,<br> > even if they're less overkill than `visible-bell'<br> > behavior.<br> ><br> > A modest attention-grabber, out of the way in the <br> > echo area is better, IMO.<br> <br> I think these features could coexist together, it wouldn't hurt.<br> <br> Flash the mode (or header) line for bell it is something that people<br> have wanted to have, see packages such as mode-line-bell, doom-themes<br> (both in MELPA), and nano-bell.<br> <br> I made my own implementation of echo-bell:</blockquote><div><br></div><div = class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I think the term du= ration is better than length when describing time intervals.</div><div clas= s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D= "gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I still prefer the unwind-p= rotected sit-for method that guarantees the remaps are removed to the one w= ith the timer where I've experienced errors intervening with a race con= dition creating new cookies that are not removed.=C2=A0 Try mashing C-g wit= h your timer implementation and you'll see it.</div><div class=3D"gmail= _default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def= ault" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I also prefer the implementation that= I proposed that takes a list of faces to flash rather than hard-code an as= sumption about what users want to flash.=C2=A0 Then this isn't tied to = the mode line if that's not what people want.=C2=A0 Is a new face reall= y necessary=C2=A0just to implement a flash?=C2=A0 The implementation I prop= osed allows the user to specify any face attributes to define what they wan= t for a flash.=C2=A0 I wouldn't use this feature without it being more = reliable and flexible.</div></div></div> --0000000000005acde306327f742b--
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Drew Adams via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
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> I wrote:
>
>> When Emacs dings it's typically due to a user error.
>>
>> Where do you see the error message? In the echo area.
>>
>> Putting the attention-grabbing "flash" or whatever
>> in the echo area draws your attention to it, where
>> you see the msg telling you what happened.
>>
>> Why draw or keep the user's attention _away_ from
>> that message? The user error might have little or
>> nothing to do with the text at the cursor of the
>> selected window.
>>
>> Draw the user's attention _from_ there to the helpful
>> message.
>
> `visible-bell' has been around forever. Flashing
> the entire frame (or as the Emacs manual says, "the
> whole screen") is overkill, and it doesn't direct
> your attention to the error message. Similar problem
> with the alternatives I think you're considering,
> even if they're less overkill than `visible-bell'
> behavior.
>
> A modest attention-grabber, out of the way in the
> echo area is better, IMO.
I think these features could coexist together, it wouldn't hurt.
Flash the mode (or header) line for bell it is something that people
have wanted to have, see packages such as mode-line-bell, doom-themes
(both in MELPA), and nano-bell.
I made my own implementation of echo-bell:
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From: =?UTF-8?q?El=C3=ADas=20Gabriel=20P=C3=A9rez?= <eg642616@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 11:38:21 -0600
Subject: [PATCH] Add ring-bell function for flash faces. (bug#77715)
New function for flash mode line, header line or echo area once
whether `ring-bell-function' is called.
* lisp/faces.el (flash-line): New faces.
* lisp/simple.el (flash-line-length): New user option.
(flash-header-line-bell-function, flash-header-line-bell-function)
(flash-echo-area-bell-function): New functions.
---
etc/NEWS | 20 ++++++++++++++++++++
lisp/faces.el | 14 ++++++++++++++
lisp/simple.el | 35 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
3 files changed, 69 insertions(+)
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index c08b0052639..4affd9c9d40 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -1716,6 +1716,26 @@ change their face if the current line exceeds the 'fill-column'. The
new face 'display-fill-column-indicator-warning-face' is used to
highlight the fill-column indicators. By default this is disabled.
+---
+*** New function 'flash-mode-line-bell-function'.
+This function when called will flash current mode line briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New function 'flash-header-line-bell-function'.
+This function when called will flash current header line briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New function 'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
+This function when called will flash current echo area briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-line-length'.
+This option controls length for flash the mode line, header line or
+echo area.
+
* New Modes and Packages in Emacs 31.1
diff --git a/lisp/faces.el b/lisp/faces.el
index dbc0a2e04f6..cc1767fa41d 100644
--- a/lisp/faces.el
+++ b/lisp/faces.el
@@ -2745,6 +2745,20 @@ mode-line-inactive
:group 'mode-line-faces
:group 'basic-faces)
+(defface flash-line
+ '((((class color) (min-colors 88))
+ :box (:line-width -1 :color "brown" :style nil)
+ :background "red3" :foreground "white")
+ (((class color grayscale) (min-colors 88))
+ :box (:line-width -1 :style nil)
+ :background "grey10" :foreground "white")
+ (t
+ :inherit error :inverse-video t))
+ "Basic face for flash mode line or header line."
+ :version "31.1"
+ :group 'mode-line-faces
+ :group 'basic-faces)
+
(defface mode-line-highlight
'((((supports :box t) (class color grayscale) (min-colors 88))
:box (:line-width 2 :color "grey40" :style released-button))
diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index 7037158df8d..6a8ea94cf14 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -9383,6 +9383,41 @@ auto-save-mode
(and (< buffer-saved-size 0)
(setq buffer-saved-size 0)))
+(defcustom flash-line-length 0.05
+ "Length (in seconds) used for control mode line and header line flash time.
+This length is used by `flash-header-line-bell-function',
+`flash-mode-line-bell-function' and `flash-echo-area-bell-function'."
+ :type 'float
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defun flash-mode-line-bell-function ()
+ "Flash current mode line as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (when-let* (flash-line-length ; Ensure time is non-nil
+ (cookie (face-remap-add-relative 'mode-line-active 'flash-line)))
+ (run-with-timer flash-line-length nil
+ #'face-remap-remove-relative
+ cookie)))
+
+(defun flash-header-line-bell-function ()
+ "Flash current header line as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (when-let* (flash-line-length ; Ensure time is non-nil
+ (cookie (face-remap-add-relative 'header-line-active 'flash-line)))
+ (run-with-timer flash-line-length nil
+ #'face-remap-remove-relative
+ cookie)))
+
+(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function ()
+ "Flash echo area as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (message
+ (propertize "ring!"
+ 'display `(space . (:align-to right))
+ 'face 'flash-line))
+ (sit-for flash-line-length)
+ (message ""))
+
(defgroup paren-blinking nil
"Blinking matching of parens and expressions."
:prefix "blink-matching-"
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Drew Adams via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
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> I wrote:
>
>> When Emacs dings it's typically due to a user error.
>>
>> Where do you see the error message? In the echo area.
>>
>> Putting the attention-grabbing "flash" or whatever
>> in the echo area draws your attention to it, where
>> you see the msg telling you what happened.
>>
>> Why draw or keep the user's attention _away_ from
>> that message? The user error might have little or
>> nothing to do with the text at the cursor of the
>> selected window.
>>
>> Draw the user's attention _from_ there to the helpful
>> message.
>
> `visible-bell' has been around forever. Flashing
> the entire frame (or as the Emacs manual says, "the
> whole screen") is overkill, and it doesn't direct
> your attention to the error message. Similar problem
> with the alternatives I think you're considering,
> even if they're less overkill than `visible-bell'
> behavior.
>
> A modest attention-grabber, out of the way in the
> echo area is better, IMO.
I think these features could coexist together, it wouldn't hurt.
Flash the mode (or header) line for bell it is something that people
have wanted to have, see packages such as mode-line-bell, doom-themes
(both in MELPA), and nano-bell.
I made my own implementation of echo-bell:
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From af63c6ba42160de07c75cf3e2c483551798678b8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: =?UTF-8?q?El=C3=ADas=20Gabriel=20P=C3=A9rez?= <eg642616@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 11:38:21 -0600
Subject: [PATCH] Add ring-bell function for flash faces. (bug#77715)
New function for flash mode line, header line or echo area once
whether `ring-bell-function' is called.
* lisp/faces.el (flash-line): New faces.
* lisp/simple.el (flash-line-length): New user option.
(flash-header-line-bell-function, flash-header-line-bell-function)
(flash-echo-area-bell-function): New functions.
---
etc/NEWS | 20 ++++++++++++++++++++
lisp/faces.el | 14 ++++++++++++++
lisp/simple.el | 35 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
3 files changed, 69 insertions(+)
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index c08b0052639..4affd9c9d40 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -1716,6 +1716,26 @@ change their face if the current line exceeds the 'fill-column'. The
new face 'display-fill-column-indicator-warning-face' is used to
highlight the fill-column indicators. By default this is disabled.
+---
+*** New function 'flash-mode-line-bell-function'.
+This function when called will flash current mode line briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New function 'flash-header-line-bell-function'.
+This function when called will flash current header line briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New function 'flash-echo-area-bell-function'.
+This function when called will flash current echo area briefly.
+Intended to be used in 'ring-bell-function'.
+
+---
+*** New user option 'flash-line-length'.
+This option controls length for flash the mode line, header line or
+echo area.
+
* New Modes and Packages in Emacs 31.1
diff --git a/lisp/faces.el b/lisp/faces.el
index dbc0a2e04f6..cc1767fa41d 100644
--- a/lisp/faces.el
+++ b/lisp/faces.el
@@ -2745,6 +2745,20 @@ mode-line-inactive
:group 'mode-line-faces
:group 'basic-faces)
+(defface flash-line
+ '((((class color) (min-colors 88))
+ :box (:line-width -1 :color "brown" :style nil)
+ :background "red3" :foreground "white")
+ (((class color grayscale) (min-colors 88))
+ :box (:line-width -1 :style nil)
+ :background "grey10" :foreground "white")
+ (t
+ :inherit error :inverse-video t))
+ "Basic face for flash mode line or header line."
+ :version "31.1"
+ :group 'mode-line-faces
+ :group 'basic-faces)
+
(defface mode-line-highlight
'((((supports :box t) (class color grayscale) (min-colors 88))
:box (:line-width 2 :color "grey40" :style released-button))
diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index 7037158df8d..6a8ea94cf14 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -9383,6 +9383,41 @@ auto-save-mode
(and (< buffer-saved-size 0)
(setq buffer-saved-size 0)))
+(defcustom flash-line-length 0.05
+ "Length (in seconds) used for control mode line and header line flash time.
+This length is used by `flash-header-line-bell-function',
+`flash-mode-line-bell-function' and `flash-echo-area-bell-function'."
+ :type 'float
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defun flash-mode-line-bell-function ()
+ "Flash current mode line as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (when-let* (flash-line-length ; Ensure time is non-nil
+ (cookie (face-remap-add-relative 'mode-line-active 'flash-line)))
+ (run-with-timer flash-line-length nil
+ #'face-remap-remove-relative
+ cookie)))
+
+(defun flash-header-line-bell-function ()
+ "Flash current header line as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (when-let* (flash-line-length ; Ensure time is non-nil
+ (cookie (face-remap-add-relative 'header-line-active 'flash-line)))
+ (run-with-timer flash-line-length nil
+ #'face-remap-remove-relative
+ cookie)))
+
+(defun flash-echo-area-bell-function ()
+ "Flash echo area as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (message
+ (propertize "ring!"
+ 'display `(space . (:align-to right))
+ 'face 'flash-line))
+ (sit-for flash-line-length)
+ (message ""))
+
(defgroup paren-blinking nil
"Blinking matching of parens and expressions."
:prefix "blink-matching-"
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Drew Adams via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
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>> There have been third-party packages that make this, however many of
>> them diverge either in features or in faces.
>>=20
>> I think Emacs should have had this built-in.
>
> One alternative (it could be built-in):
>
> https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/echo-bell.el
>
> It uses a defcustom instead of a defface, to define the background color =
for the string shown. The string is also a defcustom: "=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=
=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA" by default=
. A third option is the number of seconds to show the string.
I'm not sure about using the echo area, when working with multiple
windows (and on large screens), the eyes tend to be more focused on
where the cursor or window is.
Another alternative would be flash other faces too, such as Ship config
does. I have it almost ready.
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>> There have been third-party packages that make this, however many of
>> them diverge either in features or in faces.
>>=20
>> I think Emacs should have had this built-in.
>
> One alternative (it could be built-in):
>
> https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/echo-bell.el
>
> It uses a defcustom instead of a defface, to define the background color =
for the string shown. The string is also a defcustom: "=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=
=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA=E2=99=AA" by default=
. A third option is the number of seconds to show the string.
I'm not sure about using the echo area, when working with multiple
windows (and on large screens), the eyes tend to be more focused on
where the cursor or window is.
Another alternative would be flash other faces too, such as Ship config
does. I have it almost ready.
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On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 1:56=E2=80=AFPM Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@gm=
ail.com>
wrote:
> Tags: patch
>
> This feature flashes the current mode-line face (mode-line-active) once,
> this is intended to be used in `ring-bell-function', but it can be used
> for other purposes.
>
> There have been third-party packages that make this, however many of
> them diverge either in features or in faces.
>
> I think Emacs should have had this built-in.
>
An implementation like the one below protects from erroneously leaving
behind remapped faces:
(defun my/flash-faces (interval faces &rest specs)
(let ((cookies (mapcar
(lambda (face) (face-remap-add-relative face specs))
faces)))
(unwind-protect
(sit-for interval)
(mapc #'face-remap-remove-relative cookies))))
(defun my/ring-bell-function ()
(my/flash-faces my:mode-line-ring-bell-interval ; I use 0.05
my:mode-line-ring-bell-faces ; I use '(internal-border
tab-bar mode-line-active mode-line-inactive)
:background my:mode-line-ring-bell-backround)) ; I use
"Firebrick" (I could have used the foreground from 'error)
(setq ring-bell-function (if my:mode-line-ring-bell-interval ; I allow my
users to disable this
#'my/ring-bell-function
nil))
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quo=
te_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at=
1:56=E2=80=AFPM Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <<a href=3D"mailto:eg642616@gmai=
l.com">eg642616@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex">Tags: patch<br>
<br>
This feature flashes the current mode-line face (mode-line-active) once,<br=
>
this is intended to be used in `ring-bell-function', but it can be used=
<br>
for other purposes.<br>
<br>
There have been third-party packages that make this, however many of<br>
them diverge either in features or in faces.<br>
<br>
I think Emacs should have had this built-in.<br></blockquote><div><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">An implementa=
tion like the one below protects from erroneously leaving behind remapped f=
aces:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">=C2=A0 =
(defun my/flash-faces (interval faces &rest specs)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (le=
t ((cookies (mapcar<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (lambda (face) (face-remap-add-relative face specs))<br>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 faces=
)))<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (unwind-protect<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 (sit-for interval)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (mapc #'face-r=
emap-remove-relative cookies))))<br><br>=C2=A0 (defun my/ring-bell-function=
()<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (my/flash-faces my:mode-line-ring-bell-interval ; I us=
e 0.05<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 my:mode-line-ring-bell-faces ; I use '(internal-border tab-bar m=
ode-line-active mode-line-inactive)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :background my:mode-line-ring-bell-backr=
ound)) ; I use "Firebrick" (I could have used the foreground from=
'error)<br><br>=C2=A0 (setq ring-bell-function (if my:mode-line-ring-b=
ell-interval ; I allow my users to disable this<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0#'my/ring-bell-function<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ni=
l))<br></div></div></div>
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Tags: patch
This feature flashes the current mode-line face (mode-line-active) once,
this is intended to be used in `ring-bell-function', but it can be used
for other purposes.
There have been third-party packages that make this, however many of
them diverge either in features or in faces.
I think Emacs should have had this built-in.
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From: =?UTF-8?q?El=C3=ADas=20Gabriel=20P=C3=A9rez?= <eg642616@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 11:38:21 -0600
Subject: [PATCH] Add ring-bell functions for flash mode line or header line.
New functions for flash the mode line or header line once
whether `ring-bell-function' is called. (bug#)
* lisp/faces.el (mode-line-flash, header-line-flash): New faces.
* lisp/simple.el (mode-line-ring-bell-delay)
(header-line-ring-bell-delay): New user options.
(mode-line-ring-bell--reset-face, mode-line-ring-bell)
(header-line-ring-bell--reset-face, header-line-ring-bell): New
functions.
---
lisp/faces.el | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
lisp/simple.el | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2 files changed, 51 insertions(+)
diff --git a/lisp/faces.el b/lisp/faces.el
index dbc0a2e04f6..b1d84c3dac0 100644
--- a/lisp/faces.el
+++ b/lisp/faces.el
@@ -2745,6 +2745,27 @@ mode-line-inactive
:group 'mode-line-faces
:group 'basic-faces)
+(defface mode-line-flash
+ '((((class color) (min-colors 88))
+ :box (:line-width -1 :color "brown" :style nil)
+ :background "red3" :foreground "white")
+ (((class color grayscale) (min-colors 88))
+ :box (:line-width -1 :style nil)
+ :background "grey10" :foreground "white")
+ (t
+ :inherit error :inverse-video t))
+ "Basic mode line face for flash it."
+ :version "31.1"
+ :group 'mode-line-faces
+ :group 'basic-faces)
+
+(defface header-line-flash
+ '((t :inherit mode-line-flash))
+ "Basic header line face for flash it."
+ :version "31.1"
+ :group 'mode-line-faces
+ :group 'basic-faces)
+
(defface mode-line-highlight
'((((supports :box t) (class color grayscale) (min-colors 88))
:box (:line-width 2 :color "grey40" :style released-button))
diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index 7037158df8d..ee995c35699 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -9383,6 +9383,36 @@ auto-save-mode
(and (< buffer-saved-size 0)
(setq buffer-saved-size 0)))
+(defcustom mode-line-ring-bell-delay 0.05
+ "Delay used by `mode-line-ring-bell'."
+ :type 'float
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defun mode-line-ring-bell--reset-face ()
+ (face-remap-reset-base 'mode-line-active))
+
+(defun mode-line-ring-bell ()
+ "Flash the mode line as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (face-remap-set-base 'mode-line-active 'mode-line-flash)
+ (run-with-timer mode-line-ring-bell-delay nil
+ #'mode-line-ring-bell--reset-face))
+
+(defcustom header-line-ring-bell-delay 0.05
+ "Delay used by `header-line-ring-bell'."
+ :type 'float
+ :version "31.1")
+
+(defun header-line-ring-bell--reset-face ()
+ (face-remap-reset-base 'header-line-active))
+
+(defun header-line-ring-bell ()
+ "Flash the header line as ring a bell.
+Intended to be used in `ring-bell-function'."
+ (face-remap-set-base 'header-line-active 'header-line-flash)
+ (run-with-timer header-line-ring-bell-delay nil
+ #'header-line-ring-bell--reset-face))
+
(defgroup paren-blinking nil
"Blinking matching of parens and expressions."
:prefix "blink-matching-"
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