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[android] 30.1; provide option to restrict mobile data or wifi on demand only

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From: జిందం వాఐి
 <jindam.vani <at> disroot.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: [android] 30.1; provide option to restrict mobile data or wifi on demand only
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 10:18:55 +0000

* i acted stupidly
* i wanted to use matrix
* so i did little search
* found m-x package-install
will show if package is installed
* obviously i never bother to
read rest of it
* when i executed it started to
download from elpa


* why?
* there is no guarantee all
users have access to fast
network or unlimited data

* please consider to integrate
access or deny to mobile data
or wifi within app itself!

* afterall, the extensible 
self-documenting text editor
* keyword: "text editor"


Configured using:
 'configure --with-png=yes --with-webp=yes --with-gif=yes
 --with-jpeg=yes --with-xml2=yes --with-sqlite3=yes --with-gnutls=yes
 --with-tiff=yes --with-selinux=yes --with-modules=yes
 --with-tree-sitter=yes --with-imagemagick=no --with-lcms2=yes
 --with-mailutils= --with-pop=no-by-default --with-harfbuzz=yes
 --with-threads=yes --with-rsvg=yes --enable-check-lisp-object-type=
 'CFLAGS=-O2 -Werror=implicit-function-declaration''

Configured features:
GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY
INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TREE_SITTER WEBP
ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_US.utf8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Lisp Interaction

Minor modes in effect:
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  display-line-numbers-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  eldoc-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  modifier-bar-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
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emacs)

Memory information:
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 (string-bytes 1 642646) (vectors 8 15158)
 (vector-slots 4 160272 15512) (floats 8 58 3) (intervals 28 408 0)
 (buffers 576 10))


regards,
జిందం వాఐి [ jindam, vani ]

web_ jivani.neocities.org
[matrix]_ @jindam:catgirl.cloud

Message #10 received at 77734-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: జిందం వాఐి
 <jindam.vani <at> disroot.org>
Cc: 77734-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#77734: [android] 30.1; provide option to restrict mobile
 data or wifi on demand only
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 10:24:07 +0800

జిందం వాఐి <jindam.vani <at> disroot.org> writes:

> * i acted stupidly
> * i wanted to use matrix
> * so i did little search
> * found m-x package-install
> will show if package is installed
> * obviously i never bother to
> read rest of it
> * when i executed it started to
> download from elpa
>
>
> * why?
> * there is no guarantee all
> users have access to fast
> network or unlimited data
>
> * please consider to integrate
> access or deny to mobile data
> or wifi within app itself!
>
> * afterall, the extensible 
> self-documenting text editor
> * keyword: "text editor"

Emacs invokes the operating system's sockets library to access the
Internet and accordingly any traffic metering or throttling
functionality is decidedly outside its purview (not to mention
impossible to implement portably) and within the operating system's.
Closing, sorry.

Message #13 received at 77734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: జిందం వాఐి
 <jindam.vani <at> disroot.org>
To: 77734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#77734: [android] 30.1; provide option to restrict mobile data or wifi on demand only
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 03:05:23 +0000

On 18 April 2025 02:24:07 UTC, Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
>జిందం వాఐి <jindam.vani <at> disroot.org> writes:
>
>> * i acted stupidly
>> * i wanted to use matrix
>> * so i did little search
>> * found m-x package-install
>> will show if package is installed
>> * obviously i never bother to
>> read rest of it
>> * when i executed it started to
>> download from elpa
>>
>>
>> * why?
>> * there is no guarantee all
>> users have access to fast
>> network or unlimited data
>>
>> * please consider to integrate
>> access or deny to mobile data
>> or wifi within app itself!
>>
>> * afterall, the extensible 
>> self-documenting text editor
>> * keyword: "text editor"
>
>Emacs invokes the operating system's sockets library to access the
>Internet and accordingly any traffic metering or throttling
>functionality is decidedly outside its purview (not to mention
>impossible to implement portably) and within the operating system's.
>Closing, sorry.

* i did some research also, it seems
declaration in manifest pretty
much restricts anything
* please excuse. cant we make
behaviour of emacs when trying to
use internet identical to linux
package managers
* ordinary folks must provide
input "yes" before downloading
and installation of packages
* ex.: apt install foo


regards,
జిందం వాఐి [ jindam, vani ]

web_ jivani.neocities.org
[matrix]_ @jindam:catgirl.cloud

Message #16 received at 77734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: జిందం వాఐి
 <jindam.vani <at> disroot.org>
To: 77734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#77734: [android] 30.1; provide option to restrict mobile data or wifi on demand only
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 09:03:23 +0000

On 18 April 2025 02:24:07 UTC, Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
>జిందం వాఐి <jindam.vani <at> disroot.org> writes:
>
>> * i acted stupidly
>> * i wanted to use matrix
>> * so i did little search
>> * found m-x package-install
>> will show if package is installed
>> * obviously i never bother to
>> read rest of it
>> * when i executed it started to
>> download from elpa
>>
>>
>> * why?
>> * there is no guarantee all
>> users have access to fast
>> network or unlimited data
>>
>> * please consider to integrate
>> access or deny to mobile data
>> or wifi within app itself!
>>
>> * afterall, the extensible 
>> self-documenting text editor
>> * keyword: "text editor"
>
>Emacs invokes the operating system's sockets library to access the
>Internet and accordingly any traffic metering or throttling
>functionality is decidedly outside its purview (not to mention
>impossible to implement portably) and within the operating system's.
>Closing, sorry.

> * i did some research also, it seems
> declaration in manifest pretty
>much restricts anything
> * please excuse. cant we make
> behaviour of emacs when trying
> to use internet identical to linux package managers
> * ordinary folks must provide
> input "yes" before downloading
> and installation of packages
> * ex.: apt install foo 

* please excuse again
* i am happy if you consider any one
or none
* restrict to use Wi-Fi only
* use android data
saver mode
* out of curiosity, i tried to gather
info from help mailing list also [ q ]
* i rest my case here ;)

[ q ] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2025-04/msg00219.html

thank you


regards,
జిందం వాఐి [ jindam, vani ]

web_ jivani.neocities.org
[matrix]_ @jindam:catgirl.cloud

Message #19 received at 77734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: జిందం వాఐి <jindam.vani <at> disroot.org>
Cc: 77734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#77734: [android] 30.1;
 provide option to restrict mobile data or wifi on demand only
Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 03:38:24 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
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Could someone plesse explain the issue that is at stake here?

-- 
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Message #22 received at 77734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: 77734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jindam.vani <at> disroot.org
Subject: Re: bug#77734: [android] 30.1;
 provide option to restrict mobile data or wifi on demand only
Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 11:53:25 +0300

> Cc: 77734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 03:38:24 -0400
> 
> Could someone plesse explain the issue that is at stake here?

"M-x list-packages" by default downloads up-to-date data about
available packages from ELPA and other archives.  The OP says that on
a smartphone this should optionally done only when the connection is
via WiFi, as opposed to via the cellular network.

The Android developer replied that this is a setting of the OS, not of
Emacs.

Btw, list-packages can be invoked with a prefix argument, in which
case it will not download the data to refresh the packages' menu.

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