Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2025 06:30:07 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 09 02:30:07 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34728 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uDHFG-000435-BM for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 02:30:07 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:dc4:8::228]:54227) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1uDHF7-00041A-1H for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 02:29:57 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CAD4D43B4F; Fri, 9 May 2025 06:29:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <86seledid8.fsf@HIDDEN> Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734dmhtbw.fsf@localhost> <865xiij640.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djutf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt357vf.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djrot6.fsf@localhost> <86h61zge95.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frhi3n4k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt5ytcfn.fsf@HIDDEN> <86bjs6geox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h61xucgy.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634dhhhq3.fsf@HIDDEN> <878qn8ubl9.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ldr7djdu.fsf@HIDDEN> <86seledid8.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 09:25:50 +0300 Message-ID: <87selejp35.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/31.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -100 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgddvleduleduucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuifetpfffkfdpucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvfevufgjohhffffkfgggtgfgsehtkeertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepleefjeehgedutdegheeuudfgueettdelkeeilefhudejgeeljefgheeklefhfeeunecuffhomhgrihhnpehsshhtrghtihgtrdhnvghtnecukfhppeeluddruddvledruddthedruddujeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddthedruddujedphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrghgrnhguihdrnhgvthdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopeeipdhrtghpthhtohepphhrohhtsehprhhothgvshhilhgrohhsrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepjeejledujeesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghdprhgtphhtthhopeihrghnthgrrhelvdesphhoshhtvghordhnvghtpdhrtghpthhtoheprhhplhhuihhmsehgmhgrihhlrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepkhgvvhhinhdrlhgvghhouhhguhgvtgesghhmrghilhdrtghomhdprhgtp hhtthhopegvlhhiiiesghhnuhdrohhrgh X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: rpluim@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, yantar92@HIDDEN, prot@HIDDEN, =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E9vin?= Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> * stop using the "warnings-suppress" icon; keep it for >> backward-compatibility in case there are out-of-tree users, >> * insert a new plain "warning" icon (with SVG representation that can >> use the 'warning face), >> * add a text button for suppression. > > How about doing that, but without the icon? The icon helps to draw the user's attention to the warning. Other IDEs do this, e.g. https://i.sstatic.net/gppvo.jpg > The icon is problematic on TTY frames, and why do we need it, when the > text already says "Warning: SOMETHING"? This is not problematic since 'define-icon' supports many layers. From (info "(elisp) Icons"): If ‘icon-preference’ is ‘(image emoji symbol text)’ (i.e., allowing all of these forms of icons), in this case, ‘icon-string’ will first check that Emacs is able to display images at all, and then whether it has support for each of those different image formats. If that fails, Emacs will check whether Emacs can display emojis (in the current frame). If that fails, it'll check whether it can display the symbol in question. If that fails, it'll use the plain text version.
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Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2025 06:29:54 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 09 02:29:54 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34723 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uDHF3-00041O-VD for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 02:29:54 -0400 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:45571) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1uDHF2-000416-4S for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 02:29:52 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BB6B439C0; Fri, 9 May 2025 06:29:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Yuan Fu <casouri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <E13CE169-C54A-42A1-B689-7EA2B7FBDEA0@HIDDEN> Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <865xiij640.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djutf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt357vf.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djrot6.fsf@localhost> <86h61zge95.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frhi3n4k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt5ytcfn.fsf@HIDDEN> <875xicaoa8.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ixwub3i.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ixw8kgh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zffos6gf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h61w72un.fsf@HIDDEN> <719CF7DD-D64F-444B-AC84-34558A5DD90A@HIDDEN> <34B3E9EA-7801-410B-8256-53357B3B8295@HIDDEN> <87y0v761ul.fsf@HIDDEN> <86tt5vef3q.fsf@HIDDEN> <875xib3tq6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y0v72eps.fsf@HIDDEN> <86tt5udikq.fsf@HIDDEN> <E13CE169-C54A-42A1-B689-7EA2B7FBDEA0@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 09:23:45 +0300 Message-ID: <87cycil47q.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/31.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -100 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgddvleduledtucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuifetpfffkfdpucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvfevufgjohhffffkfgggtgfgsehtkeertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepieffteejgeehffejuedtiefhudekgeejteekiefgveeuheetvdefgeekkeevkedunecukfhppeeluddruddvledruddthedruddujeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddthedruddujedphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrghgrnhguihdrnhgvthdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopeeipdhrtghpthhtohephigrnhhtrghrledvsehpohhsthgvohdrnhgvthdprhgtphhtthhopehprhhothesphhrohhtvghsihhlrghoshdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopehrphhluhhimhesghhmrghilhdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopeejjeeludejseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtoheptggrshhouhhrihesghhmrghilhdrtghomh X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: yantar92@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@HIDDEN, prot@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >>>>> Also, are you sure that show U+26A0 ⚠ is a good idea for the 'symbol' >>>>> preference? At least on TTY frames, that character has problems >>>>> because its glyph is wide, and many terminal emulators have trouble >>>>> showing it in an Emacs window. >>>> >>>> I tried ⚠ on a tty, and it looks very poor, barely recognizable. >>>> So need to find a new symbol. >>> >>> ▲ looks more solid on a tty. >> >> But will it be perceived as a warning sign? It looks just a triangle. > > My two cents, and feel free to ignore: maybe just use the exclamation > mark. We don’t have to use a “unicode” symbol for the symbol > category. “!” conveys the idea and is well supported. “!” is fine, like in flymake-margin-indicators-string.
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So we've just made another full circle back to the beginning? >> Eli> Where someone said, and I agree, that showing ⚠️ explains itself worse >> Eli> than the existing symbol, because it could be easily interpreted as >> Eli> meaning just "Warning". >> >> >> >> But ⛔ means "you have done something wrong", at least to some. >> >> Eli> Which is why someone suggested to use ✖ or ❌. >> >> OK >> >> >> How about we just drop the icon completely? >> >> Eli> And go for another circle? It was you who suggested to go back to am >> Eli> icon, based on an example of a similar feature posted by Juri. >> >> OK, in that case we need the right icon, and a text button at the end >> of the warning message. > > In case that can help, I think this is more or less what this patch on > bug#61413 does: (with screenshot) > > <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=61413#108> > > Direct link to the patch: > <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?filename=0001-Use-plain-text-for-warning-supression-button.patch;bug=61413;msg=108;att=1> > > Screenshot: > <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?att=2;msg=108;bug=61413;filename=Screenshot_20250223_163540.png> > > Similar to Juri's latest patch; in short, > > * stop using the "warnings-suppress" icon; keep it for > backward-compatibility in case there are out-of-tree users, > * insert a new plain "warning" icon (with SVG representation that can > use the 'warning face), > * add a text button for suppression. > > (The main feedback on that patch, IIRC, was that the 'button face looks > too much like a link instead of something like 'custom-button. Wasn't > sure where to go from there so dropped the ball after that; thank y'all > for picking it back up here) > > (There was also a FIXME for a problem that Juri solved in the other > subthread by just inserting "\n" instead of calling 'newline, AFAIU) I'm not sure I'm following all of this, but FWIW, I like ⚠️ as an icon merely to indicate a warning; and while I'm fine with the text "suppress" as a button, maybe 🤫 would work as an icon button to mean silence this (aka suppress). -- Howard
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Thu, 08 May 2025 19:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.500.181.1.5\)) Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels From: Yuan Fu <casouri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <86tt5udikq.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 19:29:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <E13CE169-C54A-42A1-B689-7EA2B7FBDEA0@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734dmhtbw.fsf@localhost> <865xiij640.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djutf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt357vf.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djrot6.fsf@localhost> <86h61zge95.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frhi3n4k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt5ytcfn.fsf@HIDDEN> <875xicaoa8.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ixwub3i.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ixw8kgh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zffos6gf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h61w72un.fsf@HIDDEN> <719CF7DD-D64F-444B-AC84-34558A5DD90A@HIDDEN> <34B3E9EA-7801-410B-8256-53357B3B8295@HIDDEN> <87y0v761ul.fsf@HIDDEN> <86tt5vef3q.fsf@HIDDEN> <875xib3tq6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y0v72eps.fsf@HIDDEN> <86tt5udikq.fsf@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.500.181.1.5) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: yantar92@HIDDEN, rpluim@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > On May 8, 2025, at 12:10=E2=80=AFPM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> = wrote: >=20 >> From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> >> Cc: casouri@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@HIDDEN, >> prot@HIDDEN, yantar92@HIDDEN >> Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 20:29:35 +0300 >>=20 >>>> Also, are you sure that show U+26A0 =E2=9A=A0 is a good idea for = the 'symbol' >>>> preference? At least on TTY frames, that character has problems >>>> because its glyph is wide, and many terminal emulators have trouble >>>> showing it in an Emacs window. >>>=20 >>> I tried =E2=9A=A0 on a tty, and it looks very poor, barely = recognizable. >>> So need to find a new symbol. >>=20 >> =E2=96=B2 looks more solid on a tty. >=20 > But will it be perceived as a warning sign? It looks just a triangle. My two cents, and feel free to ignore: maybe just use the exclamation = mark. We don=E2=80=99t have to use a =E2=80=9Cunicode=E2=80=9D symbol = for the symbol category. =E2=80=9C!=E2=80=9D conveys the idea and is = well supported. Yuan=
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Thu, 08 May 2025 11:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <878qn8ubl9.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734dmhtbw.fsf@localhost> <865xiij640.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djutf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt357vf.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djrot6.fsf@localhost> <86h61zge95.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frhi3n4k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt5ytcfn.fsf@HIDDEN> <86bjs6geox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h61xucgy.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634dhhhq3.fsf@HIDDEN> <878qn8ubl9.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 20:53:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87ldr7djdu.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, juri@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, yantar92@HIDDEN, prot@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> writes: >>>>>> On Tue, 06 May 2025 18:38:44 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> sai= d: > > >> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> > >> Cc: juri@HIDDEN, yantar92@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > >> prot@HIDDEN > >> Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 14:53:49 +0200 > >>=20 > >> >>>>> On Tue, 06 May 2025 14:29:34 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.= org> said: > >>=20 > Eli> Really? So we've just made another full circle back to the begi= nning? > Eli> Where someone said, and I agree, that showing =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F= explains itself worse > Eli> than the existing symbol, because it could be easily interpreted= as > Eli> meaning just "Warning". > >>=20 > >> But =E2=9B=94 means "you have done something wrong", at least to s= ome. > > Eli> Which is why someone suggested to use =E2=9C=96 or =E2=9D=8C. > > OK > > >> How about we just drop the icon completely? > > Eli> And go for another circle? It was you who suggested to go back = to am > Eli> icon, based on an example of a similar feature posted by Juri. > > OK, in that case we need the right icon, and a text button at the end > of the warning message. In case that can help, I think this is more or less what this patch on bug#61413 does: (with screenshot) <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D61413#108> Direct link to the patch: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?filename=3D0001-Use-plain-text-f= or-warning-supression-button.patch;bug=3D61413;msg=3D108;att=3D1> Screenshot: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?att=3D2;msg=3D108;bug=3D61413;fi= lename=3DScreenshot_20250223_163540.png> Similar to Juri's latest patch; in short, * stop using the "warnings-suppress" icon; keep it for backward-compatibility in case there are out-of-tree users, * insert a new plain "warning" icon (with SVG representation that can use the 'warning face), * add a text button for suppression. (The main feedback on that patch, IIRC, was that the 'button face looks too much like a link instead of something like 'custom-button. Wasn't sure where to go from there so dropped the ball after that; thank y'all for picking it back up here) (There was also a FIXME for a problem that Juri solved in the other subthread by just inserting "\n" instead of calling 'newline, AFAIU)
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
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At least on TTY frames, that character has problems > because its glyph is wide, and many terminal emulators have trouble > showing it in an Emacs window. I tried ⚠ on a tty, and it looks very poor, barely recognizable. So need to find a new symbol. > Btw, since this icon is called "warning-suppress", did anyone think > about showing a cross or a strike-through over the icon/symbol? > Because using ⚠ as "warning-suppress" is at least strange, IMO. Since the general preference is to have the [Suppress] link at the end, we need to use a new name "warning" for the icon. Therefore I retract my patch in favor of Kévin's patch from https://debbugs.gnu.org/61413#108 that added the new icon "warning" with a nice svg image. When installed, it should be tweaked for further improvements (including FIXME).
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>>> (define-icon warnings-suppress button
>>> - `((emoji "⛔")
>>> + `((emoji "⚠️")
> [...]
> Re-reading your patch, I realized your patch does exactly what
> I described. Maybe we should rename the icon so it doesn’t say
> suppress.
Unfortunately, renaming an icon is not so simple.
First we need to mark an old name as obsolete
because very likely many users already customized it
with 'M-x customize-icon RET warnings-suppress RET'
that adds to the custom file a setting like this:
(custom-set-icons
'(warnings-suppress ((emoji "⚠️") (symbol " ■ ") (text " stop "))))
And I even don't know how to make it obsolete.
For example, there is 'define-obsolete-face-alias',
but no something like 'define-obsolete-icon-alias'.
> And for the symbol we could use ⚠.
Thanks. I tried to find a suitable character for the symbol,
but didn't realize this could be used for it.
Here is the patch that also updates the docstring:
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diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
index 6c77d57a6ba..54a35fee3a9 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
@@ -216,15 +216,15 @@ warning-suppress-p
some-match))
(define-icon warnings-suppress button
- `((emoji "⛔")
- ;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for U+25A0.
+ `((emoji "⚠️")
+ ;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for symbols.
(symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt)
(null window-system))
" » "
- " ■ "))
- (text " stop "))
- "Suppress warnings."
- :version "29.1"
+ " ⚠ "))
+ (text " warning "))
+ "Indicate and optionally suppress warnings."
+ :version "31.1"
:help-echo "Click to suppress this warning type")
(defun warnings-suppress (type)
@@ -333,7 +333,16 @@ display-warning
(insert (format (nth 1 level-info)
(format warning-type-format typename))
message)
- (funcall newline)
+ ;; Don't output the buttons when doing batch compilation
+ ;; and similar.
+ (unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp))
+ (insert " " (buttonize (propertize
+ "[Suppress]" 'face
+ '(variable-pitch (:height 0.9)))
+ #'warnings-suppress type)
+ "\n"))
+ (unless (bolp)
+ (funcall newline))
(when (and warning-fill-prefix
(not (string-search "\n" message))
(not noninteractive))
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Wed, 07 May 2025 22:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.500.181.1.5\)) Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels From: Yuan Fu <casouri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <719CF7DD-D64F-444B-AC84-34558A5DD90A@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 22:14:57 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <34B3E9EA-7801-410B-8256-53357B3B8295@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734dmhtbw.fsf@localhost> <865xiij640.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djutf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt357vf.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djrot6.fsf@localhost> <86h61zge95.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frhi3n4k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt5ytcfn.fsf@HIDDEN> <875xicaoa8.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ixwub3i.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ixw8kgh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zffos6gf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h61w72un.fsf@HIDDEN> <719CF7DD-D64F-444B-AC84-34558A5DD90A@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.500.181.1.5) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, prot@HIDDEN, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > On May 7, 2025, at 10:10=E2=80=AFPM, Yuan Fu <casouri@HIDDEN> = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On May 7, 2025, at 10:22=E2=80=AFAM, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> = wrote: >>=20 >>>>> I don=CA=BCt think we need the trailing space, but the rest looks = good to >>>>> me. >>>=20 >>> Juri> I tried without the trailing space, but then an underline is = added >>> Juri> at the end. Very strange effect. Maybe a bug? >>>=20 >>> Some interaction between the `button' or `link' face from the >>> `buttonize' with the :height spec? >>=20 >> Very interesting: 'display-warning' uses the function 'newline' >> that basically does such a trick: >>=20 >> (let ((last-command-event ?\n)) >> (self-insert-command 1)) >>=20 >> But the problem is that 'self-insert-command' inherits >> the button text properties to the newline. And with >> these text properties the newline is displayed as >> an underlined space character. >>=20 >> I don't know the reason why 'display-warning' uses 'newline', >> but after replacing 'newline' with a plain "\n" >> it is displayed correctly: >>=20 >> diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el = b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el >> index 6c77d57a6ba..9714abea213 100644 >> --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el >> +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el >> @@ -216,7 +216,7 @@ warning-suppress-p >> some-match)) >>=20 >> (define-icon warnings-suppress button >> - `((emoji "=E2=9B=94") >> + `((emoji "=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F") >> ;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for = U+25A0. >> (symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt) >> (null window-system)) >> @@ -333,7 +333,14 @@ display-warning >> (insert (format (nth 1 level-info) >> (format warning-type-format typename)) >> message) >> - (funcall newline) >> + ;; Don't output the buttons when doing batch = compilation >> + ;; and similar. >> + (unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp)) >> + (insert " " (buttonize (propertize >> + "[Suppress]" 'face >> + '(variable-pitch (:height = 0.9))) >> + #'warnings-suppress type) >> + "\n")) >> (when (and warning-fill-prefix >> (not (string-search "\n" message)) >> (not noninteractive)) >=20 > Using =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F to mean =E2=80=9Csuppress=E2=80=9D feels = wrong. Maybe just display the =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F or =E2=9B=94 in front = of the warning, and append the suppress button at the end of the = message? (But doesn=E2=80=99t the warning buffer only display warning?) Re-reading your patch, I realized your patch does exactly what I = described. Maybe we should rename the icon so it doesn=E2=80=99t say = suppress. And for the symbol we could use =E2=9A=A0. Yuan=
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Very strange effect. Maybe a bug? >>=20 >> Some interaction between the `button' or `link' face from the >> `buttonize' with the :height spec? >=20 > Very interesting: 'display-warning' uses the function 'newline' > that basically does such a trick: >=20 > (let ((last-command-event ?\n)) > (self-insert-command 1)) >=20 > But the problem is that 'self-insert-command' inherits > the button text properties to the newline. And with > these text properties the newline is displayed as > an underlined space character. >=20 > I don't know the reason why 'display-warning' uses 'newline', > but after replacing 'newline' with a plain "\n" > it is displayed correctly: >=20 > diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el > index 6c77d57a6ba..9714abea213 100644 > --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el > +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el > @@ -216,7 +216,7 @@ warning-suppress-p > some-match)) >=20 > (define-icon warnings-suppress button > - `((emoji "=E2=9B=94") > + `((emoji "=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F") > ;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for = U+25A0. > (symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt) > (null window-system)) > @@ -333,7 +333,14 @@ display-warning > (insert (format (nth 1 level-info) > (format warning-type-format typename)) > message) > - (funcall newline) > + ;; Don't output the buttons when doing batch = compilation > + ;; and similar. > + (unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp)) > + (insert " " (buttonize (propertize > + "[Suppress]" 'face > + '(variable-pitch (:height = 0.9))) > + #'warnings-suppress type) > + "\n")) > (when (and warning-fill-prefix > (not (string-search "\n" message)) > (not noninteractive)) Using =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F to mean =E2=80=9Csuppress=E2=80=9D feels wrong. = Maybe just display the =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F or =E2=9B=94 in front of the = warning, and append the suppress button at the end of the message? (But = doesn=E2=80=99t the warning buffer only display warning?) Also can we replace the =E2=96=A0 symbol with =E2=8A=96 or =E2=9B=92? = The =E2=96=A0 symbol is very confusing. Yuan=
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> >> I donʼt think we need the trailing space, but the rest looks good to
> >> me.
>
> Juri> I tried without the trailing space, but then an underline is added
> Juri> at the end. Very strange effect. Maybe a bug?
>
> Some interaction between the `button' or `link' face from the
> `buttonize' with the :height spec?
Very interesting: 'display-warning' uses the function 'newline'
that basically does such a trick:
(let ((last-command-event ?\n))
(self-insert-command 1))
But the problem is that 'self-insert-command' inherits
the button text properties to the newline. And with
these text properties the newline is displayed as
an underlined space character.
I don't know the reason why 'display-warning' uses 'newline',
but after replacing 'newline' with a plain "\n"
it is displayed correctly:
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
index 6c77d57a6ba..9714abea213 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
@@ -216,7 +216,7 @@ warning-suppress-p
some-match))
(define-icon warnings-suppress button
- `((emoji "⛔")
+ `((emoji "⚠️")
;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for U+25A0.
(symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt)
(null window-system))
@@ -333,7 +333,14 @@ display-warning
(insert (format (nth 1 level-info)
(format warning-type-format typename))
message)
- (funcall newline)
+ ;; Don't output the buttons when doing batch compilation
+ ;; and similar.
+ (unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp))
+ (insert " " (buttonize (propertize
+ "[Suppress]" 'face
+ '(variable-pitch (:height 0.9)))
+ #'warnings-suppress type)
+ "\n"))
(when (and warning-fill-prefix
(not (string-search "\n" message))
(not noninteractive))
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>> I don=CA=BCt think we need the trailing space, but the rest looks go=
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>> me.
Juri> I tried without the trailing space, but then an underline is added
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Some interaction between the `button' or `link' face from the
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>> I don=CA=BCt mind if we end up preferring =E2=9D=8C, but =E2=9B=94 i=
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Juri> Everyone uses =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F for warnings.
OK by me.
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>>>>> On Wed, 07 May 2025 09:57:11 +0300, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> sai=
d:
>> I conclude from that that we should use U+26A0 U+FE0F =E2=9A=A0=EF=
=B8=8F as the symbol
>> to insert. Right clicking does not necessarily come easy to Emacs
>> users, so I still think a text button is needed.
Juri> Ok, based on the feedback from everyone here is the patch
Juri> that should satisfy all requirements:
Juri> diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnin=
gs.el
Juri> index 6c77d57a6ba..f3baa019ad2 100644
Juri> --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
Juri> +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
Juri> @@ -216,7 +216,7 @@ warning-suppress-p
Juri> some-match))
Juri>
Juri> (define-icon warnings-suppress button
Juri> - `((emoji "=E2=9B=94")
Juri> + `((emoji "=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F")
Juri> ;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for =
U+25A0.
Juri> (symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt)
Juri> (null window-system))
Juri> @@ -333,6 +333,14 @@ display-warning
Juri> (insert (format (nth 1 level-info)
Juri> (format warning-type-format typename))
Juri> message)
Juri> + ;; Don't output the buttons when doing batch compi=
lation
Juri> + ;; and similar.
Juri> + (unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp))
Juri> + (insert " " (buttonize (propertize
Juri> + "[Suppress]" 'face
Juri> + '(variable-pitch (:heigh=
t 0.9)))
Juri> + #'warnings-suppress type)
Juri> + " "))
Juri> (funcall newline)
Juri> (when (and warning-fill-prefix
Juri> (not (string-search "\n" message))
I don=CA=BCt think we need the trailing space, but the rest looks good to
me. I don=CA=BCt mind if we end up preferring =E2=9D=8C, but =E2=9B=94 is r=
ight out.
Robert
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>>>>> On Tue, 06 May 2025 18:38:44 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
>> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: juri@HIDDEN, yantar92@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
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>> Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 14:53:49 +0200
>>=20
>> >>>>> On Tue, 06 May 2025 14:29:34 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN=
g> said:
>>=20
Eli> Really? So we've just made another full circle back to the beginn=
ing?
Eli> Where someone said, and I agree, that showing =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F e=
xplains itself worse
Eli> than the existing symbol, because it could be easily interpreted as
Eli> meaning just "Warning".
>>=20
>> But =E2=9B=94 means "you have done something wrong", at least to som=
e.
Eli> Which is why someone suggested to use =E2=9C=96 or =E2=9D=8C.
OK
>> How about we just drop the icon completely?
Eli> And go for another circle? It was you who suggested to go back to=
am
Eli> icon, based on an example of a similar feature posted by Juri.
OK, in that case we need the right icon, and a text button at the end
of the warning message.
Robert
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> I conclude from that that we should use U+26A0 U+FE0F ⚠️ as the symbol
> to insert. Right clicking does not necessarily come easy to Emacs
> users, so I still think a text button is needed.
Ok, based on the feedback from everyone here is the patch
that should satisfy all requirements:
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
index 6c77d57a6ba..f3baa019ad2 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
@@ -216,7 +216,7 @@ warning-suppress-p
some-match))
(define-icon warnings-suppress button
- `((emoji "⛔")
+ `((emoji "⚠️")
;; Many MS-Windows console fonts don't have good glyphs for U+25A0.
(symbol ,(if (and (eq system-type 'windows-nt)
(null window-system))
@@ -333,6 +333,14 @@ display-warning
(insert (format (nth 1 level-info)
(format warning-type-format typename))
message)
+ ;; Don't output the buttons when doing batch compilation
+ ;; and similar.
+ (unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp))
+ (insert " " (buttonize (propertize
+ "[Suppress]" 'face
+ '(variable-pitch (:height 0.9)))
+ #'warnings-suppress type)
+ " "))
(funcall newline)
(when (and warning-fill-prefix
(not (string-search "\n" message))
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On Tue, 06 May 2025 18:33:48 +0300 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>, yantar92@HIDDEN,
>> 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN
>> Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 14:04:07 +0200
>>=20
>> On Tue, 06 May 2025 14:29:34 +0300 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
>>=20
>> >> I conclude from that that we should use U+26A0 U+FE0F =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=
=8F as the symbol
>> >> to insert.
>> >
>> > Really? So we've just made another full circle back to the beginning?
>> > Where someone said, and I agree, that showing =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F expla=
ins itself worse
>> > than the existing symbol, because it could be easily interpreted as
>> > meaning just "Warning".
>>=20
>> What about the character "=E2=84=B9" (#x2139 INFORMATION SOURCE), perhap=
s with a
>> box face attribute, or alternatively as emoji "=E2=84=B9=EF=B8=8F"? Thi=
s sign is widely
>> recognized and I think even invites clicking to see what the information
>> is (though having an explicit button as well would avoid any
>> misunderstanding).
>
> If this is recognized widely enough, sure. But can you point to some
> examples of using this for that purpose?
If you mean an editor using "=E2=84=B9" or "=E2=84=B9=EF=B8=8F" as button t=
o display otherwise
hidden information, then no, I don't know of any such editors (but I
have little acquaintance of editors besides Emacs :). I have seen "=E2=84=
=B9"
used simply to mark (but not reveal) an informative message; here is an
example of output in the R console:
https://r4ds.hadley.nz/intro.html#the-tidyverse
Steve Berman
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
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>>>>> On Tue, 06 May 2025 14:29:34 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
Eli> Really? So we've just made another full circle back to the beginn=
ing?
Eli> Where someone said, and I agree, that showing =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F e=
xplains itself worse
Eli> than the existing symbol, because it could be easily interpreted as
Eli> meaning just "Warning".
But =E2=9B=94 means "you have done something wrong", at least to some.
How about we just drop the icon completely?
Robert
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Maybe that way we will find >> >> implementation ideas that are both familiar to users and look nic= er? >>=20 >> Juri> Here is an interesting solution of using the context menu >> Juri> to suppress warnings: >>=20 >> Juri> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32085708/suppress-warnings= -in-visual-studio-2015-for-custom-code-analyzers >>=20 >> I conclude from that that we should use U+26A0 U+FE0F =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F= as the symbol >> to insert. > > Really? So we've just made another full circle back to the beginning? > Where someone said, and I agree, that showing =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F explains= itself worse > than the existing symbol, because it could be easily interpreted as > meaning just "Warning". What about the character "=E2=84=B9" (#x2139 INFORMATION SOURCE), perhaps w= ith a box face attribute, or alternatively as emoji "=E2=84=B9=EF=B8=8F"? This s= ign is widely recognized and I think even invites clicking to see what the information is (though having an explicit button as well would avoid any misunderstanding). Steve Berman
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>>>>> On Mon, 05 May 2025 21:53:31 +0300, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> sai=
d:
>>> Then, what about
>>>=20
>>> + (insert (buttonize (concat (icon-string 'warnings-=
suppress) " [Suppress?]")
>>> + #'warnings-suppress
>>> + type
>>> + "Click to suppress this warning=
type")
>>=20
>> May I suggest to look at how other applications handle such
>> situations, i.e. when a message is shown and the user is given a
>> capability of disabling it? Maybe that way we will find
>> implementation ideas that are both familiar to users and look nicer?
Juri> Here is an interesting solution of using the context menu
Juri> to suppress warnings:
Juri> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32085708/suppress-warnings-in=
-visual-studio-2015-for-custom-code-analyzers
I conclude from that that we should use U+26A0 U+FE0F =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F as=
the symbol
to insert. Right clicking does not necessarily come easy to Emacs
users, so I still think a text button is needed.
Robert
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Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2025 17:27:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 05 13:27:02 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42506 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uBzan-0006bU-Ea for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2025 13:27:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45326) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uBzaj-0006b2-RQ for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2025 13:26:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uBzad-0006Ou-EI; Mon, 05 May 2025 13:26:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=a1BU73xEK9qBPBoVphnEXwwnN/J3OpKulIs+7SrXp3M=; b=qKVjulBl5bDP eV0A0Hw3O9Z40TOXIFf7GYBAvmBmVlXYXNmR61qw2O9YfwbTNMaJg2lNlMDFr6xsbEguFSOT3Ir3z wj4lG0uHXFpSuDnOzKDuMUznPF5FxbdCWAZj9XJrH2zuUrhQbxb0DjzP67yRclRKWsfGBR4dNxSKg 1Lw4RH08xiTZnEWJ39tub5SXBpaH0uul5WJTGXEi2+1ytxQE3eBIzQz1v/+EtAsjStxciOMmTnB7x azCmzbuqtsLOCgpzcRLJh4lWhdQ66Oj41718995ifQEYzzHR2bRjRYLlBbdOdQZY+QjiJ2PnajE4Y WJnXVJh78F03Fpl+ADiVDQ==; Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 20:26:46 +0300 Message-Id: <86h61zge95.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <8734djrot6.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Mon, 05 May 2025 16:43:17 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734dmhtbw.fsf@localhost> <865xiij640.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djutf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt357vf.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djrot6.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: rpluim@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> > Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, > 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN > Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 16:43:17 +0000 > > Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> - (insert (buttonize (icon-string 'warnings-suppress) > >> - #'warnings-suppress type) > >> + (insert (buttonize "[Suppress?]" > >> + #'warnings-suppress > >> + type > >> + "Click to suppress this warning type") > > > > The current icon at the beginning of the line helps > > to direct user's attention to the warning. > > Then, what about > > + (insert (buttonize (concat (icon-string 'warnings-suppress) " [Suppress?]") > + #'warnings-suppress > + type > + "Click to suppress this warning type") May I suggest to look at how other applications handle such situations, i.e. when a message is shown and the user is given a capability of disabling it? Maybe that way we will find implementation ideas that are both familiar to users and look nicer?
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Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2025 17:19:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 05 13:19:09 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42457 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uBzTA-00069H-Mp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2025 13:19:09 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:48409) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1uBzT7-00068j-16 for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2025 13:19:05 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85840240101 for <77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 5 May 2025 19:18:58 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1746465538; bh=iis/GPWRMMeFglzXwu/bo0/XLmeM+2b21puieVKAB6o=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: From; b=beYn6Ax+5hXsmGaGOdVhNSEn1/uKAOzLXjj6r2uPofPmBopF4YcKwbZ21YMXRWRr8 T5Zz1+3SWAJ2NI7IALtqYPbziserPmq4C2sKkRanNlF7/ECp4sI4abgv+ceHMJF7oC 9FBqUGB7012XzjY1eEeMc9qngWcSKSDUNuJbd7ttwOYeWE2yJ6ffpsVxVUwyv0c7IC uCK7rzthhfyqE1d3SlXepJAspRB/PNgV5jOXO8WRCY9NUAsmRPW0bPcqnRqvamxrBP I11rcgtB4tkAerGKJik+pEgTFilRrwlN9KTfHmTDXZlI5mOHXZhfFdBCx1EaVcY+g5 kduiiwVx7t3yQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4ZrpCj0s8lz6tvm; Mon, 5 May 2025 19:18:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <87o6w73s3g.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734dmhtbw.fsf@localhost> <865xiij640.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djutf9.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt357vf.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734djrot6.fsf@localhost> <87o6w73s3g.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 17:17:57 +0000 Message-ID: <87zffrq8my.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, prot@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: >> Then, what about >> >> + (insert (buttonize (concat (icon-string 'warnings-suppress) " [Suppress?]") >> + #'warnings-suppress >> + type >> + "Click to suppress this warning type") > > This adds too much visual clutter to users who don't need to click this button. > A better place for this button would be at the end. Then, maybe partially revert 0db604a9149, resurrecting - ;; Don't output the buttons when doing batch compilation - ;; and similar. - (unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp)) - (insert " ") - (insert-button "Disable showing" - 'type 'warning-suppress-warning - 'warning-type type) - (insert " ") - (insert-button "Disable logging" - 'type 'warning-suppress-log-warning -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode maintainer, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
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>>>>> On Sat, 03 May 2025 14:17:35 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
>> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: prot@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 10:38:59 +0000
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> >> But there have been alternative suggestions.
>> >> Are they all discarded?
>> >
>> > ... If there's a suggestion for a change that is
>> > agreed-upon, let's see it.
>>
>> I thought that we converged to using a button, didn't we?
>> At least, that suggestion was not objected by anyone.
Eli> I don't see any code changes posted to that effect. Without a patch,
Eli> this leads nowhere.
Since I feel guilty about ever suggesting this feature in the first
place, how about (moving it to the end of the line is possible, if desired):
diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
index 6c77d57a6ba..3e6128f2511 100644
--- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
+++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/warnings.el
@@ -324,8 +324,10 @@ display-warning
;; Don't output the button when doing batch compilation
;; and similar.
(unless (or noninteractive (eq type 'bytecomp))
- (insert (buttonize (icon-string 'warnings-suppress)
- #'warnings-suppress type)
+ (insert (buttonize "[Suppress?]"
+ #'warnings-suppress
+ type
+ "Click to suppress this warning type")
" "))
(if warning-prefix-function
(setq level-info (funcall warning-prefix-function
Robert
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2025 11:31:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 03 07:31:50 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38884 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uBB5y-0000d4-83 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:31:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38264) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uBB5u-0000cf-Tl for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:31:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uBB5o-0008VY-Ia; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:31:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=craxgjpsLBAx3nKtqdm8xbJtI1gLKqkYGTDa0WOEEQs=; b=QPjyO53TMCsr wlLUcbXn814iB0I/Tnmd+CUH9ULSOo3tNreF24YbbEW+SLXb8YFyGA+zazloakzo3Rq5w95Wi6W0z ob//bceF+19+BSNbXRP2hJAPBAbhS52mRUnXUNrbaxTbG+0b/DswTFasts6qkb+CjvHkEaoWCLvUz PvT5lAN+9omOOFQaL/DrzGGx9MKzeafrUuoroz6vFqWrSpbWnGo1SCnJyNKAnBLGWoiTU3L173UFO 2UTDDPzfqkxm68Jo+Xtvb6QbXW98m+tYj7hy/9pV/p1NAl5dESnMg0YW9EPr58wMg5VNfxnITTIvF N0JKyF0am2ynhPwNlyfqaw==; Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 14:31:38 +0300 Message-Id: <864iy2j5gl.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87frhmgcxq.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sat, 03 May 2025 11:18:25 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <875xiihtvm.fsf@localhost> <86a57uj6at.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frhmgcxq.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> > Cc: prot@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 11:18:25 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> I am probably going a bit off-topic, but I cannot help but wonder how > >> people looking to contribute to Emacs can find things to work on if > >> unsolved bugs are closed if they are not immediately worked on. > > > > Closing a bug doesn't make it invisible. And reopening a bug is easy. > > > > So I don't really understand these comments. > > I vaguely recall that SystemCrafters once claimed that you suggested to > use debbugs tracker to hunt for things that can be fixed. > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs > > Won't closing a bug eliminate it from that listing? Using package=emacs is a bad idea anyway, IME, as it hides some bugs (for reasons I have never understood). The Debbugs search at https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi certainly doesn't eliminate such bugs.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2025 11:19:34 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 03 07:19:34 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38786 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uBAu5-0005Kw-OR for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:19:34 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:39363) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1uBAu2-0005Kd-Br for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:19:31 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B397240101 for <77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 3 May 2025 13:19:23 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1746271164; bh=v4K//UaayoANBnIzUYm/8kZ2Hz8p1Uqa353Gb9yi4Dw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: From; b=gjBdQcJXFpdfbzW+YcVNFVKzxeSjEpVzBOGp9bASrjlsK+5Q6D6INiFNoLsAtlKus uG/L8vHsqEpQPLxgRb+YRHnIpioOWqJB69fOJ7I3jQ0JXn/1UCEpCru3q7QUqL1/i/ dT/IQ/zN2CJ5v2ctf01+wapi4ePEmqZ2BXRCo+keudpv/OQMcvnXs5ziPe+Zwbj1tH +41nYemfIIir1gGfI5YhRXH4g3IMGF31SB4A9X5UwqMZEwUwa0UMyzk4Twt2hzF6ng +5oQ0VJj2DT+TGRqeilGjLcVIMGoQY8U/KPkRpM/nLNqWUp/W21CnGVwM9EIgS1IHl R8txnNDBsD7XQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4ZqQKl46LDz6tvy; Sat, 3 May 2025 13:19:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <86a57uj6at.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <875xiihtvm.fsf@localhost> <86a57uj6at.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 11:18:25 +0000 Message-ID: <87frhmgcxq.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> I am probably going a bit off-topic, but I cannot help but wonder how >> people looking to contribute to Emacs can find things to work on if >> unsolved bugs are closed if they are not immediately worked on. > > Closing a bug doesn't make it invisible. And reopening a bug is easy. > > So I don't really understand these comments. I vaguely recall that SystemCrafters once claimed that you suggested to use debbugs tracker to hunt for things that can be fixed. https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs Won't closing a bug eliminate it from that listing? -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode maintainer, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2025 11:17:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 03 07:17:47 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38779 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uBAsN-0005HE-HY for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:17:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uBAsJ-0005Gw-PJ for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:17:44 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uBAsD-0005oW-GO; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:17:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=EPZsntAjtbrRB6stmXxWP4OzW1abbMNv6Y17l6oaSE4=; b=puf5jliMqeVY 7A+tGngRLoSsBXpWAWccm4zpM5AaikEUiOF5ZfzlymNBMNvx7OPzwjxZjA+Yi1l3S+hrvIeZjqSPn 8gsehmQxMcl/wqT71drOXN1aJrFibj3vaM1w/7eqdOsKDNPPRHK6EQtbppfjxfB7w4fAFtCfRM9Vu b8Q7WJGPHTGMvFUyED+d85qFYyhftuyC5Ky13tBhrNPSzlMWEad80TvjvZMhRqrkQiC6UtXFyZGAb QsnEqH+yAo9CkFhXVXsQGExQU6Ild19XzIb9NmmuPQL/N2kupurX+9wOVXtwSd3x6Iw2FfKFfTbp3 Ytx+UXScM1SibsgzK0GKPw==; Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 14:17:35 +0300 Message-Id: <865xiij640.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <8734dmhtbw.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sat, 03 May 2025 10:38:59 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734dmhtbw.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> > Cc: prot@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 10:38:59 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> But there have been alternative suggestions. > >> Are they all discarded? > > > > ... If there's a suggestion for a change that is > > agreed-upon, let's see it. > > I thought that we converged to using a button, didn't we? > At least, that suggestion was not objected by anyone. I don't see any code changes posted to that effect. Without a patch, this leads nowhere.
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Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2025 11:13:42 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 03 07:13:42 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38738 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uBAoP-00051P-Qw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:13:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38122) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uBAoN-00050x-Cr for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:13:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uBAoG-0004KJ-Sl; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:13:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=+jte6gUQKPBXIGYslh/8h1X8TcAMuhkQ2Pz0TimOpK4=; b=caJUN0pzs8hV 87iZLmYtDyWMF0QytGtsqvqyRzJp5v8mCT5frxceUQY8KIxRhqdHjfWprKsqQHU1KC5hBHil4OAbr z3YmwISg4skGuXVQxaz7rOAqb5a/10pLl+/cWFMGYKzwQFT2+POMO+lF15h9GreAqZ+T+2c5SQidp 9HPqOoOZrW47SC+68CUhx3s1Mfvk3+aDCsGGyST8BcSSeTeG7UtaZGZAVr2G8st47yDWEF0pNlIVG vjiFO131Ef8ZcygUjPnOvsLVJ/5QxQKP5Ij4+i1837jZBCJc4h9ZehU8jhKntUEjdQOKlZbGNipW+ vhP/TkP+IJGYZ/WErJ2dJQ==; Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 14:13:30 +0300 Message-Id: <86a57uj6at.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <875xiihtvm.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sat, 03 May 2025 10:27:09 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <875xiihtvm.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> > Cc: prot@HIDDEN, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 10:27:09 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> But there have been alternative suggestions. > >> Are they all discarded? > > > > I don't see any need to keep a bug open if no one is working on doing > > anything with it. If there's a suggestion for a change that is > > agreed-upon, let's see it. > > I am probably going a bit off-topic, but I cannot help but wonder how > people looking to contribute to Emacs can find things to work on if > unsolved bugs are closed if they are not immediately worked on. Closing a bug doesn't make it invisible. And reopening a bug is easy. So I don't really understand these comments.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2025 10:40:08 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 03 06:40:08 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38576 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uBAHw-0003Lv-32 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 06:40:08 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:46951) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1uBAHs-0003Hn-Ge for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 06:40:05 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DF34240101 for <77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 3 May 2025 12:39:58 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1746268798; bh=9iMWraqPgWpM91CL/brJkpI+x9g0S3+OdfCeHx9EPhA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: From; b=q8y/+D6YFdNyjVA1rzI/lVoJAsHA+jxwi+eGZuFV6rvScgJ8tEG4aXl/3frzrSwpa dqlWtpCpmzbdN19LNDlwS+Y0wDqKuR8EKHtihTOSQYXxSchsacV5p4I/YsIIboro4u HYtSRhfAaCUxNxoHlq36iTIDlXPnuqNUMU7Nct4iQVBnqyprxDtIX/4wgrVPglEHg7 7aLmMq7A5vxr3z/nWqrTXvJhCd52z4svKbd/SAqV6YGOvM4wyFTfbfnjT/PoQdk4BG p+G+Xo2yC5/OGOsnUZcxaO/zAiyLLQuodTzYt2t469mD4KI5FswEHlcE/tyCUeauSt m0zaGI+9BNqSQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4ZqPSF37Zhz6tsb; Sat, 3 May 2025 12:39:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 10:38:59 +0000 Message-ID: <8734dmhtbw.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> But there have been alternative suggestions. >> Are they all discarded? > > ... If there's a suggestion for a change that is > agreed-upon, let's see it. I thought that we converged to using a button, didn't we? At least, that suggestion was not objected by anyone. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode maintainer, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2025 10:28:17 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 03 06:28:17 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38542 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uBA6S-0002lP-M2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 06:28:17 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:46231) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1uBA6P-0002l9-J7 for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 06:28:14 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87CBC240027 for <77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 3 May 2025 12:28:07 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1746268087; bh=MBAw9HqThMUj7956wRPJbLEFBhxLg6S1TFuIl4zBxUQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: From; b=M7W5YjYe4rVpukTPCGDV1grU7OSc3VS2yCq1OKXTQQICnFrhb7e0/XrbJxWieD53F OKczCHmlvKx7m/j5Lply0qBzuUUAe/j3p2BReaF2P66/KJqM7RvoeVKu7/ayFs+h5V RI8OPiQTH0gcYmhx+EtoduC/0kYY2vbPPf1v4qvKcEdZLDrZ8NlG+zPYZRe2bG6PTG wDn4WeUZcZMHDLkVRdwjsk/oK3bKldLMtAS3p4FmHG3F5EUpHaFDZqHRGF8Slb8gr4 CgK0B5Uf2YH8QyL1QzHCp0y3Z2ZZIX+F7bXgfLdV8cKpQ2/qCgST2WfS2XXJ1sgd1S rGe1j8x4dcg2w== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4ZqPBZ5n5rz9rxD; Sat, 3 May 2025 12:28:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> <86ecx6j8vi.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 10:27:09 +0000 Message-ID: <875xiihtvm.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> But there have been alternative suggestions. >> Are they all discarded? > > I don't see any need to keep a bug open if no one is working on doing > anything with it. If there's a suggestion for a change that is > agreed-upon, let's see it. I am probably going a bit off-topic, but I cannot help but wonder how people looking to contribute to Emacs can find things to work on if unsolved bugs are closed if they are not immediately worked on. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode maintainer, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
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Full text available.Received: (at 77917-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2025 09:09:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 03 05:09:30 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38205 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uB8sD-0007Jo-Qd for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 05:09:30 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:47485) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1uB8sB-0007JX-2Y for 77917-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 05:09:28 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 892D1240101 for <77917-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 3 May 2025 11:09:20 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1746263360; bh=3XX1yIyB4l59iYTaJ05Ysj5F9+s3JMydUxQyim7wfak=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: From; b=Y/jMmwUwel6z9ap+MRYcLTEjSq61St5YOr4T3Rwzw7BWf9QbaOgqBS279dCiqmuGA UB+TIe7CKoaHUF6gdeMiOJ8iaW1Zb05hVC/7aDluMriBcmJZfc9ZLBW5hc9ETNVXE+ QSmrQ7iFaruMC1lcd1y7U4JCog7HBMzcTBI4Hevah9j1soUEsvXXgX9LT+Awl6r9AM +oqZIYYsYQkzce06UEBBgxy/Fnpn6zJud2hH97DXVP//LdXEBcd+exwx1zmir0lmLp qyMsu8Y7SC5cmp+qjD8tT6K860s94ADhKlmbFRJwBq8bqiVTYDAaTZXl3g92ZsV31V Zb60ZsU9PEcMw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4ZqMRg50Vfz6tvs; Sat, 3 May 2025 11:09:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <b136129ff46beb3042c2c0f905c76798@HIDDEN> <864iy2kt0k.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 09:08:22 +0000 Message-ID: <87ecx6hxix.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917-done Cc: 77917-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Protesilaos Stavrou <prot@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >> I attach a patch that uses a different icon for "warning" than for >> >> "error" or "emergency". >> > >> > That's wrong, IMO, see above. >> >> I see, thank you! > > No further comments, so I'm now closing this bug. But there have been alternative suggestions. Are they all discarded? -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode maintainer, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
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Mon, 21 Apr 2025 22:30:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= <rudolf@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <87h62keyt9.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h62keyt9.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2025 04:30:25 +0200 Message-ID: <m28qntexmm.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Protesilaos Stavrou <prot@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > The icon at the beginning of a warning/error is very useful > to help separating one warning/error from another, especially > for many very long multi-line messages. But the button for > disabling them like [Disable] could be added at the end of messages. +1 [Disable], [Suppress], [Hide], or the like. And as Ihor says, the button should be fontified as such. Then, nobody will wonder what do to. Rudy --=20 "Simplicity is complexity resolved." --- Constantin Br=C3=A2ncu=C8=99i, 1876-1957 Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D <rudolf@HIDDEN> [he/him] http://adamkovic.org
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
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That's why it's the same sign. >> >> The icon at the beginning of a warning/error is very useful >> to help separating one warning/error from another, especially >> for many very long multi-line messages. But the button for >> disabling them like [Disable] could be added at the end of messages. > > +1 > I'd also like to add that it is important that [Disable] (or any other > text) is highlighted as a link. This really helps to figure out that one > can interact with that text. The existing "stop" sign lack such indication. FWIW, I think changing the icon to something not meaning "stop" would be better, and I'd prefer that the button looks like a regular text button. I think this improvement is worth making now, and possibly even backporting to emacs-30. I consider this a usability bug. I think if we want our users to get used to something like this, let's at least make it not actively confusing. My two cents.
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Sun, 20 Apr 2025 01:58:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <87h62keyt9.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h62keyt9.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 14:28:44 +0530 Message-ID: <87wmbfdxa3.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Protesilaos Stavrou <prot@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) [=E0=AE=9E=E0=AE=BE=E0=AE=AF=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=B1=E0=AF=81 =E0=AE=8F=E0=AE=AA= =E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B2=E0=AF=8D 20, 2025] Juri Linkov wrote: >>> The *Warnings* buffer uses the same "stop" sign for "warning" and >>> "error" level warnings. This makes it hard to quickly scan the buffer >>> for actual errors. >> >> The sign is not for Warning or Error, it's for _disabling_ the >> message. That's why it's the same sign. > > The icon at the beginning of a warning/error is very useful > to help separating one warning/error from another, especially > for many very long multi-line messages. But the button for > disabling them like [Disable] could be added at the end of messages. Is my memory failing me, or was there such a button before the entire emoji thing was added? I remember using said button to suppress warnings that would show up in the early days of native compilation. (This is how I learnt that the emoji could also be used to suppress warning BTW).
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Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2025 08:33:56 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 20 04:33:56 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44916 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1u6Q7g-0006YV-1T for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2025 04:33:56 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:43869) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1u6Q7d-0006Y9-6T for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2025 04:33:53 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1655A240028 for <77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 20 Apr 2025 10:33:46 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1745138027; bh=jBVIX8qCWbxuT8EXFAaN0S/UkBHPqTFLUggfWnDe/+A=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From; b=LJUpyeotO5zNRJILp6nCFdDCWUKVVVHlPbWUpz86IaKvVIwXTG4fGUqg2ZX5I1oX9 JHvcrWn+90BEGtZGk5FgpTE1fLzJaQ7SVxxnBq0YB/lpDyTOu8J7wR3pPsaLsDKUrr eJlH7POtKctRwGzuDOtAyLzcWQzy+985Z74CBGrq+XRb0paytf02fFUIj29aW3WH6d oVix5t6giqNch5WGFg+b6h+ZDcTX9EpCUyCXmsIzQ/HpaW9EJyjNJOUCWs8sH9TR2f iX7slmbbqC3uo4btT1uE5dxGYfg/TNARpj+8JgW4vHKFTcQl8Xc4FVzn+/7jHADdRG RKkbFhLMK0n7A== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4ZgMGd6295z9rxF; Sun, 20 Apr 2025 10:33:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <8634e36xz1.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h62keyt9.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt6jnxg1.fsf@localhost> <8634e36xz1.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 08:32:56 +0000 Message-ID: <87fri3nsg7.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> +1 >> I'd also like to add that it is important that [Disable] (or any other >> text) is highlighted as a link. This really helps to figure out that one >> can interact with that text. The existing "stop" sign lack such indicati= on. > > Why link and not a button? The latter would be more self-explanatory, > IMO. Agree. I just recall it being a link in the past, before =E2=9B=94 was intr= oduced. --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode maintainer, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2025 08:25:55 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 20 04:25:55 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44908 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1u6Pzu-0006DB-Q3 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2025 04:25:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1u6Pzr-0006Cx-6m for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2025 04:25:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1u6Pzh-0005uA-IY; Sun, 20 Apr 2025 04:25:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=c+Sc7Mw9jr+dUrgUioYDS9BBqdL//aV+qXVNyagOYgc=; b=bHRa9WPzTREl vIG2QHq6e5cv07zvvrjMce069ucnDZUiy+Oz5x60ouxA/PX34kcqgUXFTlZkxyWBnag87eDgvF/wv SEhKpy8X09VnFXrmwJtodJFEvQdI9RWwJGmd/ah9YK0cu+5sqMfyM4ZeJ6ewnwmFEb2a/MslJnBWx ueB+kpEwMlndVPJ4uM+zrogn77Ur7KTu0woXcJdHzNmgHPv4YYLhtcgRUQh5vz/DVE/V9lOKPKj2Q D1rXxHE8V3aXCjIRMPNKxvbMLsd3oO/O4CN58C4WWxWBhIoEo871HWdEiJRWAxfukbJwQjZGSeC+q 2RUAF8LRvE5bsdEmL8/Qmw==; Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 11:25:38 +0300 Message-Id: <8634e36xz1.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87tt6jnxg1.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sun, 20 Apr 2025 06:45:02 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h62keyt9.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tt6jnxg1.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Protesilaos Stavrou > <prot@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 06:45:02 +0000 > > Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> The sign is not for Warning or Error, it's for _disabling_ the > >> message. That's why it's the same sign. > > > > The icon at the beginning of a warning/error is very useful > > to help separating one warning/error from another, especially > > for many very long multi-line messages. But the button for > > disabling them like [Disable] could be added at the end of messages. > > +1 > I'd also like to add that it is important that [Disable] (or any other > text) is highlighted as a link. This really helps to figure out that one > can interact with that text. The existing "stop" sign lack such indication. Why link and not a button? The latter would be more self-explanatory, IMO.
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Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2025 06:26:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 20 02:26:29 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43867 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1u6O8J-0002Hf-8l for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2025 02:26:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39800) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1u6O8E-0002Fz-SV for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2025 02:26:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1u6O87-0000IB-Pe; Sun, 20 Apr 2025 02:26:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=6MfCMZWslfxntd1K6iLgKG4stKVx7dk7RcBAZ8Ig2Lo=; b=ESbLqFknZQTH0oFFz765 Hd/GMIM6ciosPtn0OZiID0DYZncbicchRcgqEVS6yRpSOgOFFKRBtBIAOt8D1Fyesnu18hcG3lata 1LNUT3afMFc50qLbO2Ac6u0TCy7LsmD22/8nMqx8EvGU6eEyd5ThhiOCm081SCdsLPzXY1Ysh690u 2bmAY1TuW0OKEiRiovopfjUPqwa2TK6Rzjadc9Qoi1FQaM93R0qrvyG1LldlINm9VjQTpaZ1/gjIl XbO6ZN3EQUZY7es0Si0g/bUYSAY9SnqGy9vYlLtycGdebHb2rbuZ6AzldUPtNi5FymiLEE1UlW7qA x/OC9/fnBMPuVQ==; Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 09:26:10 +0300 Message-Id: <86ikmz73i5.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= <rudolf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <m2mscbg217.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= on Sun, 20 Apr 2025 01:33:08 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2mscbg217.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, prot@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Rudolf Adamkovič <rudolf@HIDDEN> > Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 01:33:08 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > The sign is not for Warning or Error, it's for _disabling_ the > > message. That's why it's the same sign. > > This will be confusing Emacs users *forever*, IMO. > > You keep saying we should wait until people get used to these "buttons", > but that is not a good idea. That's my opinion, yes. It's based on a lot of gray hair with user expectations. But I also said that people should feel free to ignore my opinion on this, if they are certain changing the appearance will produce better results. So I'm not sure why you are still arguing. > We should *default* to text buttons, e.g. > > [Suppress], [Hide], or [Disable]. That still could confuse: suppress what? hide what? Like I said: there's no clear winner here.
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Sat, 19 Apr 2025 19:33:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= <rudolf@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Protesilaos Stavrou <prot@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels In-Reply-To: <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 01:33:08 +0200 Message-ID: <m2mscbg217.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > The sign is not for Warning or Error, it's for _disabling_ the > message. That's why it's the same sign. This will be confusing Emacs users *forever*, IMO. You keep saying we should wait until people get used to these "buttons", but that is not a good idea. If nobody else, some new users will always struggle, as the design of these buttons is inherently flawed. I know of no mature software that uses Emojis this way, which makes this UI not discoverable. We should *default* to text buttons, e.g. [Suppress], [Hide], or [Disable]. If someone likes emoticons better than text labels, it should be them to customize. We should *default* to standard, battle-proven, and thus discoverable, UI elements. Rudy --=20 "One can begin to reason only when a clear picture has been formed in the imagination." --- Walter Warwick Sawyer, Mathematician's Delight, 1943 Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D <rudolf@HIDDEN> [he/him] http://adamkovic.org
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 77917) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2025 08:29:27 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 19 04:29:27 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57424 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1u63Zn-0004aM-Di for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2025 04:29:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49814) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1u63Zk-0004Zy-3m for 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2025 04:29:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1u63Ze-0003Z2-8Z; Sat, 19 Apr 2025 04:29:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=gz7M9BhT8sW1K3hfAUb4p6tnig98BvdUqrScwqAWtc0=; b=O3anFzxtq9cl 8zfq/N8lkFVxeNDB6gJph0oBswUIvrbvweSt7N9V+xLU0oGYB+BoGsmRvmzpREey8oRcv+3Z3+8qv CsC2cFXlZtx48TWfmQrFLpnyTRQPxGAXh1mjmqP9YuIBF9abyfx+bfYoM2uYh6WuDXj9mnUX9II9w qSLq19bmJgwWOA8hNDM4d7MnwhU45ra7wTW1FAHt73FF+S2jkqATBFHX/HjX3WvTnt3CbDJ2LY0Op rw22c+12GG/W+k2zWLSCSk8sLwEzdQRAfOnI60kngk9cHyYKS5ZEAAGTLzOZkrxdJFkG1x6cwLBxS TF1YV2CESRcqm2QtKAJtYg==; Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2025 11:29:16 +0300 Message-Id: <868qnwa71f.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Protesilaos Stavrou <prot@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> (message from Protesilaos Stavrou on Sat, 19 Apr 2025 08:14:00 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#77917: 31.0.50; [PATCH] Stop using the "stop" sign for all warning levels References: <5767c57e5e63e7e25a2f065fdba404cf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77917 Cc: 77917 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2025 08:14:00 +0300 > From: Protesilaos Stavrou <prot@HIDDEN> > > The *Warnings* buffer uses the same "stop" sign for "warning" and > "error" level warnings. This makes it hard to quickly scan the buffer > for actual errors. The sign is not for Warning or Error, it's for _disabling_ the message. That's why it's the same sign. Why can't one search by using the text, not the sign? > I attach a patch that uses a different icon for "warning" than for > "error" or "emergency". That's wrong, IMO, see above.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#77917; Package emacs.
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This makes it hard to quickly scan the buffer for actual errors. I attach a patch that uses a different icon for "warning" than for "error" or "emergency". 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