GNU bug report logs - #7812
add a diff-list custom type; use it for compilation-error-regexp-alist

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Package: emacs; Severity: wishlist; Reported by: Dave Abrahams <dave@HIDDEN>; dated Mon, 10 Jan 2011 01:57:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'normal' Request was from Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.
Changed bug title to 'add a diff-list custom type; use it for compilation-error-regexp-alist' from '23.2; compilation-error-regexp-alist extremely unfriendly to customization interface' Request was from Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.

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I've simply fixed the custom :type for 23.3.

Until a diff-list [1] custom type exists, If I wanted to add an
element to this list in my .emacs, and still get any updated defaults
in future new versions of Emacs, I might do something like:

(eval-after-load "compile"
  '(add-to-list 'compilation-error-regexp-alist ... ))


[1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2001-12/msg00264.html
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Stefan Monnier
<monnier@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> Yes, but you *can* design the module so as to make it a non-issue.
>> Give people a customizable variable that is solely for their own use,
>> and give them a way to override the contents of the base alist, which
>> is not customizable but updated with the module.
>
> That's one option. =A0Another (which I prefer) is to use a defcustom
> that lets the user add-to-front, add-to-rear, and remove elements.
>
> Someone had proposed such a `diff-list' thingy for load-path at
> some point. =A0I really think we should try to get such a thing working.

More power to ya if you do!  However, this problem *can* be solved,
perhaps less-elegantly, but entirely within the `compile' library.

--=20
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> Yes, but you *can* design the module so as to make it a non-issue.
> Give people a customizable variable that is solely for their own use,
> and give them a way to override the contents of the base alist, which
> is not customizable but updated with the module.

That's one option.  Another (which I prefer) is to use a defcustom
that lets the user add-to-front, add-to-rear, and remove elements.

Someone had proposed such a `diff-list' thingy for load-path at
some point.  I really think we should try to get such a thing working.


        Stefan
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At Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:25:26 -0500,
Glenn Morris wrote:
> 
> Dave Abrahams wrote:
> 
> [customizing compilation-error-regexp-alist]
> 
> > It was never awesome: it *should* be possible to add support for a
> > couple of unique tools without losing the benefits of all the builtin
> > matchers that will come along next time I upgrade emacs.  It has
> > always been the case that if I customize one or two of these elements,
> > I'll never see new ones that are supplied by the maintainers on
> > upgrade...
> 
> That is a general issue with customize, albeit more of one for options
> with long, complicated values where new ones might be added to the old
> elements.

Yes, but you *can* design the module so as to make it a non-issue.
Give people a customizable variable that is solely for their own use,
and give them a way to override the contents of the base alist, which
is not customizable but updated with the module.

> There is M-x customize-changed to point out where options have changed
> since a given Emacs release. In an ideal world maybe there could be
> some automatic, version-control like merging of options when you start
> a new Emacs version for the first time.
> 
> > ...but now things are worse: I can't even add new alist elements
> > through the customize interface, and if do I add a single new one
> > using setq, all I see in the customize interface thenceforth is:
> >
> >   (mapcar 'car compilation-error-regexp-alist-alist)
> 
> compilation-error-regexp-alist has a bad custom :type. It does not
> allow you to do anything other than turn on/off the default settings.
> It is impossible to add a new element via customize, and doing so by
> hand will produce a mismatch.
> 
> AFAICS, it isn't possible to have a custom type that allows you to both:
> 
> i) toggle on/off the predefined options
> ii) add new elements of your own
> 
> So feature i) will probably have to go.

The problem is with the design that mashes all this functionality
together into a single customization variable.  Just use separate
variables for separate concerns, and you'll be golden.

-- 
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At Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:25:26 -0500,
Glenn Morris wrote:
> 
> Dave Abrahams wrote:
> 
> [customizing compilation-error-regexp-alist]
> 
> > It was never awesome: it *should* be possible to add support for a
> > couple of unique tools without losing the benefits of all the builtin
> > matchers that will come along next time I upgrade emacs.  It has
> > always been the case that if I customize one or two of these elements,
> > I'll never see new ones that are supplied by the maintainers on
> > upgrade...
> 
> That is a general issue with customize, albeit more of one for options
> with long, complicated values where new ones might be added to the old
> elements.

Yes, but you *can* design the module so as to make it a non-issue.
Give people a customizable variable that is solely for their own use,
and give them a way to override the contents of the base alist, which
is not customizable but updated with the module.

> There is M-x customize-changed to point out where options have changed
> since a given Emacs release. In an ideal world maybe there could be
> some automatic, version-control like merging of options when you start
> a new Emacs version for the first time.
> 
> > ...but now things are worse: I can't even add new alist elements
> > through the customize interface, and if do I add a single new one
> > using setq, all I see in the customize interface thenceforth is:
> >
> >   (mapcar 'car compilation-error-regexp-alist-alist)
> 
> compilation-error-regexp-alist has a bad custom :type. It does not
> allow you to do anything other than turn on/off the default settings.
> It is impossible to add a new element via customize, and doing so by
> hand will produce a mismatch.
> 
> AFAICS, it isn't possible to have a custom type that allows you to both:
> 
> i) toggle on/off the predefined options
> ii) add new elements of your own
> 
> So feature i) will probably have to go.

The problem is with the design that mashes all this functionality
together into a single customization variable.  Just use separate
variables for separate concerns, and you'll be golden.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com
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PS I think this should be fixed before 23.3.
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Dave Abrahams wrote:

[customizing compilation-error-regexp-alist]

> It was never awesome: it *should* be possible to add support for a
> couple of unique tools without losing the benefits of all the builtin
> matchers that will come along next time I upgrade emacs.  It has
> always been the case that if I customize one or two of these elements,
> I'll never see new ones that are supplied by the maintainers on
> upgrade...

That is a general issue with customize, albeit more of one for options
with long, complicated values where new ones might be added to the old
elements.

There is M-x customize-changed to point out where options have changed
since a given Emacs release. In an ideal world maybe there could be
some automatic, version-control like merging of options when you start
a new Emacs version for the first time.

> ...but now things are worse: I can't even add new alist elements
> through the customize interface, and if do I add a single new one
> using setq, all I see in the customize interface thenceforth is:
>
>   (mapcar 'car compilation-error-regexp-alist-alist)

compilation-error-regexp-alist has a bad custom :type. It does not
allow you to do anything other than turn on/off the default settings.
It is impossible to add a new element via customize, and doing so by
hand will produce a mismatch.

AFAICS, it isn't possible to have a custom type that allows you to both:

i) toggle on/off the predefined options
ii) add new elements of your own

So feature i) will probably have to go.
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It was never awesome: it *should* be possible to add support for a
couple of unique tools without losing the benefits of all the builtin
matchers that will come along next time I upgrade emacs.  It has
always been the case that if I customize one or two of these elements,
I'll never see new ones that are supplied by the maintainers on
upgrade...

...but now things are worse: I can't even add new alist elements
through the customize interface, and if do I add a single new one
using setq, all I see in the customize interface thenceforth is:

  (mapcar 'car compilation-error-regexp-alist-alist)

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In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.29)
 of 2010-05-08 on black.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038
configured using `configure  '--host=x86_64-apple-darwin' '--build=i686-apple-darwin' '--with-ns' 'build_alias=i686-apple-darwin' 'host_alias=x86_64-apple-darwin' 'CC=gcc -mmacosx-version-min=10.5''

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: nil
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: nil
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Custom

Minor modes in effect:
  recentf-mode: t
  global-auto-complete-mode: t
  yas/global-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  server-mode: t
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  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
C-p C-p <return> C-x b * <right> <return> C-p C-p C-p 
C-p C-e C-n C-e C-, C-, C-. C-. C-, C-, C-. C-d C-d 
C-n C-n C-n C-x C-e C-x C-b C-x C-p M-x C-g C-g <f7> 
y <f4> <f4> <S-f4> <S-f4> <f4> <f4> <f4> <f4> <S-f4> 
<S-f4> <S-f4> <S-f4> <f4> <S-f4> <S-f4> C-x C-p <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-1> C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p 
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C-x C-n C-. C-. C-. C-. C-. C-. C-a C-. C-. C-. C-. 
C-. C-. C-a C-. C-. C-. C-, C-, C-. C-. C-, C-b C-b 
C-b C-f C-SPC C-. C-. C-f M-w C-p C-n C-n C-a C-n C-p 
C-p C-p <return> # i f SPC 0 C-n C-n C-n C-e <return> 
# d e <backspace> <backspace> e n d i f C-x C-s C-n 
C-n C-n C-a C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n 
C-. C-. C-. C-. C-, C-s C-w C-w C-w C-w C-w C-w C-r 
C-r C-x C-p C-x C-b C-x C-b C-x C-b C-x C-b C-x C-b 
C-_ C-_ C-x C-s C-g C-x C-b C-x C-b M-x c u s t o <tab> 
- v a r <tab> <return> M-p <return> M-> M-< C-n C-n 
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-. C-, M-> 
M-< M-> M-< M-> M-< M-> M-< SPC <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> 
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> 
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C-x C-b C-x C-b C-x C-b C-x C-b C-x C-b C-x C-b C-x 
C-b C-x C-b C-x C-b C-x b <right> <right> <right> <return> 
M-x r e p o r t - e m <tab> b u <tab> <return>

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tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech
european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook
jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces
cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env
code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote
make-network-process ns multi-tty emacs)


-- 
Dave Abrahams
BoostPro Computing
http://www.boostpro.com
Acknowledgement sent to Dave Abrahams <dave@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to owner <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#7812; Package emacs. Full text available.
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