Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2025 06:38:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 09 02:38:19 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34765 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uDHND-0004Xk-AX for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 02:38:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51728) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uDHNA-0004XX-UW for 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 02:38:17 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uDHN5-000781-80; Fri, 09 May 2025 02:38:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=bDH4S7LLSJXu/ZkklU+cVezjbc29KUZgosweAS+BbMU=; b=AtnPXYwjNlQV BIofo5OSjkZtNM7xqIcdpfukkcuWZuRoK6nX36xNYar2LvguBz43xBHVU5g4nv5n8UzgbK4ITs3Oi uyDY75O7OVjren2tv9M/MHXMsnUjTApN2Qjcqv7Q23FnHRUemGJAkoAVZIunxJTXVOnk/FewbgVAI 3kuNhpXKSq4iGhMIFUWjGrKZVgZk++vI7oaCY97AeOy5KCeIOPKeAblmI69p8vBvMTnAas7qhocYh v2P/uQD0DZ7vrs3jwYfDuUv9Oac9BLlC9rmShAhXnmgh0f3A8PrXpJCiUZq4KOAm7lD5pN7KOqaLr 5Nja8RbC5EQyUCGlkUCW5g==; Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 09:38:08 +0300 Message-Id: <86msbmcmr3.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87h61uqvhr.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Fri, 09 May 2025 06:05:36 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86msbujc3x.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@HIDDEN> <87selljfnm.fsf@HIDDEN> <86cycphrlh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@HIDDEN> <86v7qfguul.fsf@HIDDEN> <87plgneyfi.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt237lz.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@HIDDEN> <86cycmgevl.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734dh1hri.fsf@HIDDEN> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ixwh4e3.fsf@HIDDEN> <86h61wflrg.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734dfitnh.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y0v7ego8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h61uqvhr.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78120 Cc: manuel@HIDDEN, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> > Cc: manuel@HIDDEN, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 06:05:36 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Still, I think the faces produced from sexp entities should take > > precedent (via overlay priorities) over the other faces, as the > > default. > > Not better than any other random choice, IMO. An entry being a sexp > entry only means that the date is complicated to describe, not that the > entry is more important. Maybe so, but since we do have to make a (possibly arbitrary) decision about the priorities, to make the results deterministic, we could as well use what I suggested (or any other, really).
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<debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > If it turns out that the priorities we specify > don't produce the effect that some user wants, they could then use the > other face attributes, as you explain above (but maybe we should > document this facility in the user manual?). Absolutely - after somebody has tested it a bit. Could maybe Manuel do that? > Still, I think the faces produced from sexp entities should take > precedent (via overlay priorities) over the other faces, as the > default. Not better than any other random choice, IMO. An entry being a sexp entry only means that the date is complicated to describe, not that the entry is more important. Michael.
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From: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 07:00:18 +0200
>>
>> But one step back, please listen: I rediscovered the (completely
>> undocumented, AFAICT) solution diary-lib itself already provides to
>> avoid this problem. Read around line number 74:
>>
>> ;; Face markup of calendar and diary displays: Any entry line that
>> ;; ends with [foo:value] where foo is a face attribute (except :box
>> ;; :stipple) or with [face:blah] tags, will have these values applied
>> ;; to the calendar and fancy diary displays. These attributes "stack"
>> ;; on calendar displays. File-wide attributes can be defined as
>> ;; follows: the first line matching "^# [tag:value]" defines the value
>> ;; for that particular tag.
>>
>> So this is obviously the user level mechanism the diary-lib author(s)
>> intended to be used for more advanced stylistic tuning.
>>
>> Of course we can still bring the standard faces in some well defined
>> order, but if the described mechanism works well, it deserves to be made
>> more discover able I think. It is more or less what Manuel was asking
>> for.
>
> The original report was that the results were not deterministic.
Yes. I think we somewhat diverge a bit from the original issue which
was the non deterministic behaviour (but thanks Michael for digging out
these informations!) Just to be sure, here's an updated recipe that
shows this:
1) emacs -Q
2) Open the file "/tmp/diary", fill it with the following
contents and save:
%%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 10 2025 '(:background "lightgrey")) Success
May 7 2025 Good day
3) M-: (use-package diary-lib :custom (diary-file "/tmp/diary"))
4) M-x calendar
5) Hit 'm' (diary-mark-entries) a few times. Observe that the
seventh of May has not always the same foreground color.
BTW, I wonder it this can be related to redisplay since when hitting 'm'
repeatedly, I see a flicker that was not present on my example with
overlays (above in this thread).
> I think we can make them deterministic by specifying certain
> priorities for each overlay. If it turns out that the priorities we
> specify don't produce the effect that some user wants, they could then
> use the other face attributes, as you explain above (but maybe we
> should document this facility in the user manual?).
>
> Still, I think the faces produced from sexp entities should take
> precedent (via overlay priorities) over the other faces, as the
> default.
I don't understand why you think so: a sexp entity could be of a lesser
importance than a non-sexp one. For example:
%%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 10 2025) School break
May 8 2025 Important work meeting
That is why, regardless of the non-deterministic issue, I think that the
user should have a way to express what is more important than something
else.
--
Manuel Giraud
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-1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Thanks. But I don't see here that 'success' face which caused the > original trouble. Or am I missing something. You miss what I already answered: that you can specify arbitrary faces in the diary itself. See the original recipe. But one step back, please listen: I rediscovered the (completely undocumented, AFAICT) solution diary-lib itself already provides to avoid this problem. Read around line number 74: ;; Face markup of calendar and diary displays: Any entry line that ;; ends with [foo:value] where foo is a face attribute (except :box ;; :stipple) or with [face:blah] tags, will have these values applied ;; to the calendar and fancy diary displays. These attributes "stack" ;; on calendar displays. File-wide attributes can be defined as ;; follows: the first line matching "^# [tag:value]" defines the value ;; for that particular tag. So this is obviously the user level mechanism the diary-lib author(s) intended to be used for more advanced stylistic tuning. Of course we can still bring the standard faces in some well defined order, but if the described mechanism works well, it deserves to be made more discover able I think. It is more or less what Manuel was asking for. Michael.
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From: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 00:44:33 +0200
>>=20
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>=20
>> > Each face has a meaning, I presume? If one face marks a date because
>> > John Doe was born at that day, and another face marks the same date
>> > because I have an important meeting, then the latter should "win",
>> > right?
>>=20
>> It depends? If John doe is your husband, maybe he is much more
>> important and should "win". Maybe you will have a free day at his
>> birthday anyway.
>
> While these situations are possible, I think they are quite rare in
> practice. So while today we have this problem in all the cases, with
> the change I propose we will have it only rarely: a clear "win", IMO.
>
> I also made another suggestion: to change the default definition of
> some of the faces so that they don't all use the same face attribute.
> Then we could fix this problem even cleaner, IMO. But no one
> responded to that suggestion, and I wonder why.
>
>> So this is a good example of how difficult this is. It totally depends
>> on your life and your circumstances. Also, Emacs doesn't know what an
>> "important meeting" is, and who John Doe is.
>
> We usually solve this for the most probable situation, and leave the
> rest to user customizations of the faces. It isn't the first time we
> bump into this problem.
>
> Moreover, to reason about this in a useful way, we need a list of
> faces that could conflict and their semantics. AFAICT, no one posted
> such a list. So for now we are having an almost purely academic
> discussion, without even knowing how many faces could conflict in this
> way.
AFAICT, for calendar, we have diary, calendar-today, holiday and
diary-anniversary with the following default definitions:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(defface calendar-today
'((t (:underline t)))
"Face for indicating today's date in the calendar.
See the variable `calendar-today-marker'."
:group 'calendar-faces)
(defface diary
'((((min-colors 88) (class color) (background light))
:foreground "red1")
(((class color) (background light))
:foreground "red")
(((min-colors 88) (class color) (background dark))
:foreground "yellow1")
(((class color) (background dark))
:foreground "yellow")
(t
:weight bold))
"Face for highlighting diary entries.
Used to mark diary entries in the calendar (see `diary-entry-marker'),
and to highlight the date header in the fancy diary."
:group 'calendar-faces)
(defface holiday
'((((class color) (background light))
:background "pink")
(((class color) (background dark))
:background "chocolate4")
(t
:inverse-video t))
"Face for indicating in the calendar dates that have holidays.
See `calendar-holiday-marker'."
:group 'calendar-faces)
(defface diary-anniversary '((t :inherit font-lock-keyword-face))
"Face used for anniversaries in the fancy diary display."
:version "22.1"
:group 'calendar-faces)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
From this list, I think that only diary and diary-anniversary would
conflict as they both set the foreground=E2=80=A6 but as all those faces co=
uld
be customized by a theme, we could have conflicts at a later time. For
example: modus themes also use the foreground for holiday so it adds a
new conflict with diary and diary-anniversary.
> So I think you reject this kind of solution too early.
>
>> And the same is true for other sources of highlighting. Are holidays
>> important? Depends on how religious you are etc.
>
> If indeed you are right, and the importance is frequently inverted
> (and I'm not yet sure you are right), then we could provide user
> options for resolving the conflicts. But such user options should not
> be overlay priorities, but something like "face importance", from
> which the code should derive the priorities. Asking users to provide
> priorities themselves is not user-friendly, for the reasons I
> explained up-thread.
Yes, we could have a set of diary faces like the set of
gnus-group-mail-* faces, for example.
--=20
Manuel Giraud
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Full text available.Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2025 11:44:21 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 07 07:44:21 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uCdCG-0001eJ-JW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2025 07:44:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60912) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uCdCB-0001dh-Mi for 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2025 07:44:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uCdC5-0006pP-4L; Wed, 07 May 2025 07:44:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=UGEePqUeJfiLrG7Y6smWdtNRCYBsfvu/xKFKAXn8Hzc=; b=kHh14zrE2PXH YhEK2bpUTICGJvFkalV1x8daD0Oafnl5BAaoVjxBiqIlk5C+eDFZpvEB9hO7iCYCl4tj+SRpvlsoV IyRQL4yEzd86WD1W+C3L7TqW65TUqLMHBod44yB/LNop/6CYlCZbsnc20iLVJ4Ev8fPAC4NUtwsKi 375FTp7Ll4FuvMfKrT6n4DybUYUvwWcp3G5KHFpBhIroPXYBfIgemGIBlnp1haRqIOep1OOjf1lOP XlAMM/aYNxxugaw1e0Gu7QygO3AQsszyz0WosBX1PqWJRPjfM+BADpE0+jXPrPfjvIBUUNzOGx0fo 4fm4/X+TXDFviqLaiY2bxA==; Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 14:44:06 +0300 Message-Id: <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <8734dh1hri.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Wed, 07 May 2025 00:44:33 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86msbujc3x.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@HIDDEN> <87selljfnm.fsf@HIDDEN> <86cycphrlh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@HIDDEN> <86v7qfguul.fsf@HIDDEN> <87plgneyfi.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt237lz.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@HIDDEN> <86cycmgevl.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734dh1hri.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78120 Cc: manuel@HIDDEN, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> > Cc: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 00:44:33 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Each face has a meaning, I presume? If one face marks a date because > > John Doe was born at that day, and another face marks the same date > > because I have an important meeting, then the latter should "win", > > right? > > It depends? If John doe is your husband, maybe he is much more > important and should "win". Maybe you will have a free day at his > birthday anyway. While these situations are possible, I think they are quite rare in practice. So while today we have this problem in all the cases, with the change I propose we will have it only rarely: a clear "win", IMO. I also made another suggestion: to change the default definition of some of the faces so that they don't all use the same face attribute. Then we could fix this problem even cleaner, IMO. But no one responded to that suggestion, and I wonder why. > So this is a good example of how difficult this is. It totally depends > on your life and your circumstances. Also, Emacs doesn't know what an > "important meeting" is, and who John Doe is. We usually solve this for the most probable situation, and leave the rest to user customizations of the faces. It isn't the first time we bump into this problem. Moreover, to reason about this in a useful way, we need a list of faces that could conflict and their semantics. AFAICT, no one posted such a list. So for now we are having an almost purely academic discussion, without even knowing how many faces could conflict in this way. So I think you reject this kind of solution too early. > And the same is true for other sources of highlighting. Are holidays > important? Depends on how religious you are etc. If indeed you are right, and the importance is frequently inverted (and I'm not yet sure you are right), then we could provide user options for resolving the conflicts. But such user options should not be overlay priorities, but something like "face importance", from which the code should derive the priorities. Asking users to provide priorities themselves is not user-friendly, for the reasons I explained up-thread. > > Not names, meanings. The names here don't explain themselves: 'diary' > > and 'success'. If you know what those faces mean, please tell, and I > > will try to suggest which one should win in this case. > > Note: the success face had been specified in the diary file (see the > recipe). The user can specify any face name in the file. Emacs doesn't > know what these "mean". The only thing Emacs can know is: was the entry > that caused the mark a normal diary entry, a sexp entry, or does the > mark come from some function or via a hook - with other words, a rough > category that doesn't tell much on it's own. I think the other face has a more clear semantics, and the face specified by the user also has semantics, albeit a more vague one. So this kind of solutions could still be possible. > > (Up front, I'd say that 'diary' should override the others, but I'm > > open to counter-arguments.) > > May suggestion: first, when Emacs tries to mark a date, and there is > already a mark, we use the existing overlay instead of placing multiple. > > Then, a function, value of a new defcustom, is used to decide what face > to place in a conflict. And I would introduce a new face that means > "multiple marks on this date" that it can use. That's possible, yes. We could also use this special case with two overlays, but in case where we decide to use this special case we could also make its overlay priority higher. The result will be the same. The solution you propose might cause complications, because removing the overlay will effectively remove both marks. I don't know diary-lib enough to tell whether this is a real problem. > But more importantly, it would be good if the mouse over text would list > the entries for that day. Much more useful than programming face > fights. Just give me a hint that there are multiple things "on" that > date. This feature (listing diary entries for the clicked date) is > already available by explicit request via the mouse-3 menu btw. We could, of course, add this, and it would be useful on its own right, but don't forget that Emacs can work without a mouse. In any case, I think this is almost orthogonal to the issue at hand.
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If one face marks a date because >> John Doe was born at that day, and another face marks the same date >> because I have an important meeting, then the latter should "win", >> right? > > It depends? If John doe is your husband, maybe he is much more > important and should "win". Maybe you will have a free day at his > birthday anyway. > > Or: if it's three weeks before that day, John's birthday is more > relevant, because I might need to buy presents. But one day before that > date I have the presents and have been informed about the birthday, but > I want to be reminded about the meeting now. > > So this is a good example of how difficult this is. It totally depends > on your life and your circumstances. Also, Emacs doesn't know what an > "important meeting" is, and who John Doe is. > > And the same is true for other sources of highlighting. Are holidays > important? Depends on how religious you are etc. Thanks Michael for this detailed explanation. That was exactly the kind of complications I also imaged and this is why I suggest having a way for the user to set this "priority/importance". >> Not names, meanings. The names here don't explain themselves: 'diary' >> and 'success'. If you know what those faces mean, please tell, and I >> will try to suggest which one should win in this case. > > Note: the success face had been specified in the diary file (see the > recipe). The user can specify any face name in the file. Emacs doesn't > know what these "mean". The only thing Emacs can know is: was the entry > that caused the mark a normal diary entry, a sexp entry, or does the > mark come from some function or via a hook - with other words, a rough > category that doesn't tell much on it's own. > >> (Up front, I'd say that 'diary' should override the others, but I'm >> open to counter-arguments.) > > May suggestion: first, when Emacs tries to mark a date, and there is > already a mark, we use the existing overlay instead of placing > multiple. This may be a good idea but overlapping overlays can handle some cases very well: for example, it combines correctly a face that sets a certain foreground color and 'italic. So in such case, we could have two pieces of information. > Then, a function, value of a new defcustom, is used to decide what face > to place in a conflict. And I would introduce a new face that means > "multiple marks on this date" that it can use. Ok, but then it is up to the user to write such a function. It is, of course, a more flexible interface but also a harder one: the user need to write lisp instead choosing some "priority" values. And also, it does not prevent us from having a default function for this custom: we're back to square one ;-) > But more importantly, it would be good if the mouse over text would list > the entries for that day. Much more useful than programming face > fights. Just give me a hint that there are multiple things "on" that > date. This feature (listing diary entries for the clicked date) is > already available by explicit request via the mouse-3 menu btw. Yes, this feature is already available (via 'diary-view-entries'). It is just not a hover. -- Manuel Giraud
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X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78120 Cc: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Each face has a meaning, I presume? If one face marks a date because > John Doe was born at that day, and another face marks the same date > because I have an important meeting, then the latter should "win", > right? It depends? If John doe is your husband, maybe he is much more important and should "win". Maybe you will have a free day at his birthday anyway. Or: if it's three weeks before that day, John's birthday is more relevant, because I might need to buy presents. But one day before that date I have the presents and have been informed about the birthday, but I want to be reminded about the meeting now. So this is a good example of how difficult this is. It totally depends on your life and your circumstances. Also, Emacs doesn't know what an "important meeting" is, and who John Doe is. And the same is true for other sources of highlighting. Are holidays important? Depends on how religious you are etc. > Not names, meanings. The names here don't explain themselves: 'diary' > and 'success'. If you know what those faces mean, please tell, and I > will try to suggest which one should win in this case. Note: the success face had been specified in the diary file (see the recipe). The user can specify any face name in the file. Emacs doesn't know what these "mean". The only thing Emacs can know is: was the entry that caused the mark a normal diary entry, a sexp entry, or does the mark come from some function or via a hook - with other words, a rough category that doesn't tell much on it's own. > (Up front, I'd say that 'diary' should override the others, but I'm > open to counter-arguments.) May suggestion: first, when Emacs tries to mark a date, and there is already a mark, we use the existing overlay instead of placing multiple. Then, a function, value of a new defcustom, is used to decide what face to place in a conflict. And I would introduce a new face that means "multiple marks on this date" that it can use. But more importantly, it would be good if the mouse over text would list the entries for that day. Much more useful than programming face fights. Just give me a hint that there are multiple things "on" that date. This feature (listing diary entries for the clicked date) is already available by explicit request via the mouse-3 menu btw. Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2025 18:26:58 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 06 14:26:58 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33004 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uCN0L-00015a-Iu for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2025 14:26:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uCN0G-00014z-F0 for 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2025 14:26:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uCN08-0007eJ-Hl; Tue, 06 May 2025 14:26:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=lvSs1o0mdo2Vk5+PgyOXDOrp3ke7yh3qz7taAshpmS0=; b=TOcpVUKuiFfQ 667IWPpTrcQ2rlq1OLADzyqJRL7Grz292/jvAS/G9F/9oGtSmjZClYMdk/rPpUDQ28Esy4hXLQ14/ 0o1VUfD+nc9LBpXkMGK/gel16T5mJMntv7vuzL23zrTMRgpnjBnwdUDIVLa2qF+t2ORmjX6OelRfL S2g0oSjL3UBHmyxooIhpfttvqpg4GDasDKvDoKvJLwd+MmIdgdIAZB9eA7kdtYEQGu5nwEqH1avlp YBE2Gxi8KiRYgzgGjUXR34V6eLyk9sjH9+S9H63bheY9raFAPS5EqCuJG2nWKye5Tb2KMX3P9Eogk 263OCMXH/QHvl1HJMmMF7Q==; Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 21:26:40 +0300 Message-Id: <86wmatfvdr.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <871pt1fx2v.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Manuel Giraud on Tue, 06 May 2025 19:50:00 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86msbujc3x.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@HIDDEN> <87selljfnm.fsf@HIDDEN> <86cycphrlh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@HIDDEN> <86v7qfguul.fsf@HIDDEN> <87plgneyfi.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt237lz.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@HIDDEN> <86cycmgevl.fsf@HIDDEN> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78120 Cc: michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> > Cc: michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 19:50:00 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Why cannot the priority come from the code itself? If you are saying > > that it is impossible to decide which face should haver precedence, > > something that I find very surprising, then some kind of user option > > that allows to set the priority of one overlay higher or lower than > > the other (without actually asking users to provide the priority > > itself) would make more sense. But up front, I'd be very surprised to > > hear that we are unable to make the correct decision without burdening > > the users with these decisions. If that is what you think, please try > > to explain in detail why such a decision is impossible. Surely, out > > of the two faces one conveys information that is more important than > > the other? > > I don't really understand when you say that we could decide which face > will have precedence over another. If you have a face that says > "foreground is red" and another one that says "foreground is blue" how > could we decide which one speaks the truth? Each face has a meaning, I presume? If one face marks a date because John Doe was born at that day, and another face marks the same date because I have an important meeting, then the latter should "win", right? > Or maybe you are talking about having a precedence defined on faces' > names? Not names, meanings. The names here don't explain themselves: 'diary' and 'success'. If you know what those faces mean, please tell, and I will try to suggest which one should win in this case. > But even then, for the diary, AFAIK we have 3 faces: diary, > diary-anniversary and holiday. What should be their order of > importance? I don't know. That's not our case. Maybe there are more cases where we need to decide, but let's first fix our case. Then we could discuss other cases. (Up front, I'd say that 'diary' should override the others, but I'm open to counter-arguments.)
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At least for diary dates entered in sexp forms, >> one can add an optional face (or a mark string) like this: >> >> %%(diary-anniversary 11 5 1955 'error) Marty arrives >> >> So maybe, we could have another optional parameter to add an overlay >> priority value. > > IMO, it makes little sense to bother users with overlay priorities. > That's a highly technical issue, and defining a good value requires to > have intimate knowledge about the relevant features and functions. > > Why cannot the priority come from the code itself? If you are saying > that it is impossible to decide which face should haver precedence, > something that I find very surprising, then some kind of user option > that allows to set the priority of one overlay higher or lower than > the other (without actually asking users to provide the priority > itself) would make more sense. But up front, I'd be very surprised to > hear that we are unable to make the correct decision without burdening > the users with these decisions. If that is what you think, please try > to explain in detail why such a decision is impossible. Surely, out > of the two faces one conveys information that is more important than > the other? I don't really understand when you say that we could decide which face will have precedence over another. If you have a face that says "foreground is red" and another one that says "foreground is blue" how could we decide which one speaks the truth? Or maybe you are talking about having a precedence defined on faces' names? But even then, for the diary, AFAIK we have 3 faces: diary, diary-anniversary and holiday. What should be their order of importance? I don't know. -- Manuel Giraud
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2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> writes: > I think a better way would be to use the overlay priority and be able to > select from the diary date. What do you mean by "select from the diary date"? Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2025 17:54:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 05 13:54:01 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42628 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uC00u-0007yz-Rg for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2025 13:54:01 -0400 Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]:39532) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <manuel@HIDDEN>) id 1uC00r-0007yj-58 for 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2025 13:53:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=2jNJC/Qz NyKnTCMmyugcDTcw6J8TBYml4NvTTrcEuM0=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=lw6qnccf9I3TgA9x4Nsgc7Iuee0Clh +JM59LP1tY3xWiJc9K+u6HAkwmrH5VNm6VwpCCjGPVeo/7whay++SACQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=2jNJC/QzNyKnTCMm yugcDTcw6J8TBYml4NvTTrcEuM0=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=PiEAmnxclzh0wscrxUDAe7x2Po0dpjZaVBPs+c 5trpEIRnYj85EvBmThFst+jSd/IkRjZTinF2rwLVE1DWehpEtVbG8khqAj4fEVLRH+eSuf 4PD0jqq3RUtWVskdPaBmgNA7He9VofDzUiv/dca/0via084Hy42GFvtsc4DJhoKYhiGEyb IkPnLlo22bPsG4Ky9VHYXWJI4Lu4hejBAXduz48+h4L2rkKysuzae+LmSoeoRJfhl25c0E spHlFGi82tMYuxDyel3CIv/X8tM79w6XliDPfVRHEFvb2ndpQKNqQcKe5TxpEA+7RTUy8W jGG7anurrcj0rM2MUjDCzgBw== Received: from computer (<unknown> [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id af925da2 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 5 May 2025 19:53:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking In-Reply-To: <86v7qfguul.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86msbujc3x.fsf@HIDDEN> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@HIDDEN> <87selljfnm.fsf@HIDDEN> <86cycphrlh.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@HIDDEN> <86v7qfguul.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 19:53:53 +0200 Message-ID: <87plgneyfi.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78120 Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> >> Cc: manuel@HIDDEN, 78120 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 02:45:37 +0200 >>=20 >> > Both overlays have the same (unspecified) priority, so which one of >> > them "wins" depends on many factors, including the exact memory layout >> > of the Emacs session. The latter changes each time you press 'm', so >> > you sometimes see one or the other face. >>=20 >> Plausible. (Would it be thinkable to make the behavior deterministic?) > > It's deterministic. But the factors affecting determinism are > sometimes not deterministic enough ;-) :-) What seems strange to me is that I find overlays to be pretty deterministic while the face features are different: foreground/background/italic... (See my second recipe in this thread) But in calendar, this seems less deterministic =F0=9F=A4=B7 [...] > So Someone=E2=84=A2 should take a look at the faces and decide which one = of > them is more important, or at least post the list here so we could > discuss based on that list. I think a better way would be to use the overlay priority and be able to select from the diary date. --=20 Manuel Giraud
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<mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > I can reproduce this. Yes, I can...I can too, of course. Yesterday was the date used in the recipe so I thought it would be a good idea to change it but... anyway. > I think the reason is simple: the above scenario places 2 overlays on > that date, each one of them specifying a different face. Type "M-x > describe-text-properties" on that date, and you will see it: one face > is 'diary', the other 'success'. One of these overlays comes from > diary-mark-sexp-entries, the other from calendar-mark-visible-date. (`diary-mark-sexp-entries' calls `calendar-mark-visible-date'. I think the latter is used more or less everywhere in diary-lib to place the overlays.) > Both overlays have the same (unspecified) priority, so which one of > them "wins" depends on many factors, including the exact memory layout > of the Emacs session. The latter changes each time you press 'm', so > you sometimes see one or the other face. Plausible. (Would it be thinkable to make the behavior deterministic?) > The solution is to decide which overlay should "win" in this case, and > give one of them higher or lower priority, as appropriate. This might not be easy, though (I mean the "appropriate" part), since there are multiple different places in diary-lib that mark dates. And of course there is also the problem of multiple matches of one source, for example, multiple sexps matching the date that want to draw different faces. Michael.
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Observe that the >> > >> fourth of May has not always the same color. >> >> I tried your recipe but were not able to reproduce what you describe. >> C-u C-x = always reports exactly one overlay at a marked date, no >> matter how often I hit m. I don't know why you see this in emacs -Q. > > I can reproduce this. I think the reason is simple: the above > scenario places 2 overlays on that date, each one of them specifying a > different face. Type "M-x describe-text-properties" on that date, and > you will see it: one face is 'diary', the other 'success'. One of > these overlays comes from diary-mark-sexp-entries, the other from > calendar-mark-visible-date. Both overlays have the same (unspecified) > priority, so which one of them "wins" depends on many factors, > including the exact memory layout of the Emacs session. The latter > changes each time you press 'm', so you sometimes see one or the other > face. Ok, thanks for this explanation. > The solution is to decide which overlay should "win" in this case, and > give one of them higher or lower priority, as appropriate. So I think we should have a way, with diary date, to set this priority. -- Manuel Giraud
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<https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN> writes: > >> 1) emacs -Q > >>=20 > >> 2) Open the file "/tmp/diary", fill it with the following > >> contents and save: > >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > >> %%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 4 2025 'success) Success > >> May 4 2025 Good day > >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > >>=20 > >> 3) M-: (use-package diary-lib :custom (diary-file "/tmp/diary"))= =20 > >>=20 > >> 4) M-x calendar > >>=20 > >> 5) Hit 'm' (diary-mark-entries) a few times. Observe that the > >> fourth of May has not always the same color. I tried your recipe but were not able to reproduce what you describe. C-u C-x =3D always reports exactly one overlay at a marked date, no matter how often I hit m. I don't know why you see this in emacs -Q. Michael.
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Subject: Re: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:47:31 +0200
>>=20
>>=20
>> It seems that the calendar is not reliable with its marking of diary
>> events. Here is a recipe:
>>=20
>> 1) emacs -Q
>>=20
>> 2) Open the file "/tmp/diary", fill it with the following
>> contents and save:
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> %%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 4 2025 'success) Success
>> May 4 2025 Good day
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>>=20
>> 3) M-: (use-package diary-lib :custom (diary-file "/tmp/diary"))=20
>>=20
>> 4) M-x calendar
>>=20
>> 5) Hit 'm' (diary-mark-entries) a few times. Observe that the
>> fourth of May has not always the same color.
>>=20
>> Maybe this is a limitation of overlays but when I tried to test
>> (lightly) with overlapping overlays the visual results were always the
>> same.
>
> Thanks, but could you please describe the issue in more detail? We
> don't have an active maintainer of diary-lib, but you seem to imply
> that there's some more basic issue with overlays here? can you
> elaborate on that, and perhaps show some Lisp that is not specific to
> diary-lib?
No I think that overlays are correct and that the calendar marking is
doing something wrong=E2=84=A2. I think I have a better example. Consider=
the
recipe above but this time with following contents in /tmp/diary:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
%%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 4 2025 '(:background "lightgrey")) Success
May 4 2025 Good day
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
When you repeatedly hit 'm' in the calendar, you'll see that sometimes
the foreground of the '4' is highlighted and sometimes it is not.
Now consider the following code:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(defun foo ()
(interactive)
(remove-overlays)
(let* ((start 1)
(fore (make-overlay start (+ start 4)))
(back (make-overlay start (+ start 4))))
(overlay-put fore 'face 'error)
(overlay-put back 'face '(:background "lightgrey"))))
(local-set-key (kbd "m") 'foo)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
If you evaluate those two forms in a test buffer and hit 'm' repeatedly,
the overlays are always correct: an error face on light grey background.
--=20
Manuel Giraud
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Hi,
It seems that the calendar is not reliable with its marking of diary
events. Here is a recipe:
1) emacs -Q
2) Open the file "/tmp/diary", fill it with the following
contents and save:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
%%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 4 2025 'success) Success
May 4 2025 Good day
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
3) M-: (use-package diary-lib :custom (diary-file "/tmp/diary"))
4) M-x calendar
5) Hit 'm' (diary-mark-entries) a few times. Observe that the
fourth of May has not always the same color.
Maybe this is a limitation of overlays but when I tried to test
(lightly) with overlapping overlays the visual results were always the
same.
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sudo-edit-autoloads svg-clock-autoloads tablist-autoloads
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url-history url-cookie generate-lisp-file url-domsuf url-util mailcap
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password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile
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term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd touch-screen tool-bar dnd fontset
image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode
lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch
easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax
font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic
indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese
tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek
romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook
jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs
theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties
overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap
hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind kqueue lcms2
dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting x-toolkit
xinput2 x multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process tty-child-frames
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Memory information:
((conses 16 871923 625139) (symbols 48 58118 33)
(strings 32 264513 42046) (string-bytes 1 6710222)
(vectors 16 158873) (vector-slots 8 2162459 45731) (floats 8 605 217)
(intervals 56 18132 128) (buffers 992 122))
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Manuel Giraud
Manuel Giraud <manuel@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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