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The result was > > > > .emacs:39:15: Warning: =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=CB=9Ctext-mode-variant=C3=A2=E2= =82=AC=E2=84=A2 is an obsolete variable (as of > > 27.1); use =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=CB=9Cderived-mode-p=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84= =A2 instead. > > > > So I think the example needs to be updated. > > Thanks. > > I updated the example on the emacs-30 branch, but note that the actual > definition of text-mode still sets that variable, since we haven't > removed it yet. > > > A secondary matter: naively following the error message would result in > > this code: (setq-local derived-mode-p t), which I assume is a bad idea > > and probably an error. > > Yes, you are supposed to look up the documentation of the replacement > to figure out how to use it. I made the text of the obsolescence > message more clear in that regard. > > And with that, I'm closing this bug.
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From emacs 29.3, open the Elisp info documentation. That
documentation says it is for emacs 29.2. The `Example Major Modes`
includes the code `(setq-local text-mode-variant t)`.
I tried using some old code that included that command. The result was
.emacs:39:15: Warning: =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98text-mode-variant=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=
=99 is an obsolete variable (as of
27.1); use =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98derived-mode-p=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99 instead.
So I think the example needs to be updated.
I just commented out the line.
A secondary matter: naively following the error message would result in
this code: (setq-local derived-mode-p t), which I assume is a bad idea
and probably an error.
Running Ubuntu 24.04.2. BTW, despite what the automated report below
says, it is using Wayland, not X.
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