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Subject: bug#78345: Koutliner error in file name without file type [not a bug, exactly]
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In my simple-mindedness as an (Emacs) newbie trying out Hyperbole, (9.0.1
on Emacs 31.0.50) I attempted to create a new Koutliner file via the
Hyperbole menu->Koutliner->Create-File.

After entering the name of the file and pressing return, I got:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function klabel-type:function)
  klabel-type:function(alpha)
  kview:set-functions(alpha)
  kview:create("changes")
  kfile:create(#<buffer changes>)
  kfile:read(#<buffer changes> nil)
  kfile:find("~/.emacs.d/changes")
  funcall-interactively(kfile:find "~/.emacs.d/changes")
  command-execute(kfile:find)

As you can see, I left the file type off of the file name; including it
(changes.kotl)) resolves the issue.

So this isn't a bug, per se; I'm just reporting this because maybe(?) a
reminder upon file name input or auto-addition of the file type to the file
name could be implemented?  In your copious free time?

As an aside, if Bob Weiner happens to see this - I was inspired to try
Hyperbole after seeing this 3-hr Q&A
<https://emacsconf.org/2022/talks/fanfare/> from EmacsConf 2022, where you
and John Cummings chat about a million things.  Really appreciated your
long-term perspective on a variety of topics (benefit of getting older, as
one old tries to convince the other.)

As another of those infernal 'seeks-to-understand-from-the-atomic-level'
people y'all discuss (maybe not toilet paper, fine)  really looking forward
to digging into Hyperbole, and perhaps will even generate a one-page report
of feedback from a newbie. :)

Best,
Cena Mayo

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>In my simple-mindedness as an (Emacs) newbie trying o=
ut Hyperbole, (9.0.1 on Emacs 31.0.50) I attempted to create a new Koutline=
r file via the Hyperbole menu-&gt;Koutliner-&gt;Create-File.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>After entering the name of the file and pressing return, I got:<=
br></div><div><br></div><div>Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function k=
label-type:function)<br>=C2=A0 klabel-type:function(alpha)<br>=C2=A0 kview:=
set-functions(alpha)<br>=C2=A0 kview:create(&quot;changes&quot;)<br>=C2=A0 =
kfile:create(#&lt;buffer changes&gt;)<br>=C2=A0 kfile:read(#&lt;buffer chan=
ges&gt; nil)<br>=C2=A0 kfile:find(&quot;~/.emacs.d/changes&quot;)<br>=C2=A0=
 funcall-interactively(kfile:find &quot;~/.emacs.d/changes&quot;)<br>=C2=A0=
 command-execute(kfile:find)</div><div><br></div><div>As you can see, I lef=
t the file type off of the file name; including it (changes.kotl)) resolves=
 the issue. <br></div><div><br></div><div>So this isn&#39;t a bug, per se; =
I&#39;m just reporting this because maybe(?) a reminder upon file name inpu=
t or auto-addition of the file type to the file name could be implemented?=
=C2=A0 In your copious free time? <br></div><div><br></div><div>As an aside=
, if Bob Weiner happens to see this - I was inspired to try Hyperbole after=
 seeing this 3-hr <a href=3D"https://emacsconf.org/2022/talks/fanfare/">Q&a=
mp;A</a> from EmacsConf 2022, where you and John Cummings chat about a mill=
ion things.=C2=A0 Really appreciated your long-term perspective on a variet=
y of topics (benefit of getting older, as one old tries to convince the oth=
er.)</div><div><br></div><div>As another of those infernal &#39;seeks-to-un=
derstand-from-the-atomic-level&#39; people y&#39;all discuss (maybe not toi=
let paper, fine)=C2=A0 really looking forward to digging into Hyperbole, an=
d perhaps will even generate a one-page report of feedback from a newbie. :=
)</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Cena Mayo</div></div>

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Subject: bug#78345: Koutliner error in file name without file type [not a bug, exactly]
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Hi Cena:<div><br></div><div>Thanks for repo=
rting this issue; I=E2=80=99m sure we can improve the file name handling the=
re.</div><div><br></div><div>Welcome to the Hyperbole user community.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Look forward to your summary of Hyperbole use after a few=
 weeks.</div><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">-- rsw</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 10, 2025, at 9:18=E2=80=AFAM, Cena M=
ayo &lt;cenazoic@HIDDEN&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>In my simple-mi=
ndedness as an (Emacs) newbie trying out Hyperbole, (9.0.1 on Emacs 31.0.50)=
 I attempted to create a new Koutliner file via the Hyperbole menu-&gt;Koutl=
iner-&gt;Create-File.</div><div><br></div><div>After entering the name of th=
e file and pressing return, I got:<br></div><div><br></div><div>Debugger ent=
ered--Lisp error: (void-function klabel-type:function)<br>&nbsp; klabel-type=
:function(alpha)<br>&nbsp; kview:set-functions(alpha)<br>&nbsp; kview:create=
("changes")<br>&nbsp; kfile:create(#&lt;buffer changes&gt;)<br>&nbsp; kfile:=
read(#&lt;buffer changes&gt; nil)<br>&nbsp; kfile:find("~/.emacs.d/changes")=
<br>&nbsp; funcall-interactively(kfile:find "~/.emacs.d/changes")<br>&nbsp; c=
ommand-execute(kfile:find)</div><div><br></div><div>As you can see, I left t=
he file type off of the file name; including it (changes.kotl)) resolves the=
 issue. <br></div><div><br></div><div>So this isn't a bug, per se; I'm just r=
eporting this because maybe(?) a reminder upon file name input or auto-addit=
ion of the file type to the file name could be implemented?&nbsp; In your co=
pious free time? <br></div><div><br></div><div>As an aside, if Bob Weiner ha=
ppens to see this - I was inspired to try Hyperbole after seeing this 3-hr <=
a href=3D"https://emacsconf.org/2022/talks/fanfare/">Q&amp;A</a> from EmacsC=
onf 2022, where you and John Cummings chat about a million things.&nbsp; Rea=
lly appreciated your long-term perspective on a variety of topics (benefit o=
f getting older, as one old tries to convince the other.)</div><div><br></di=
v><div>As another of those infernal 'seeks-to-understand-from-the-atomic-lev=
el' people y'all discuss (maybe not toilet paper, fine)&nbsp; really looking=
 forward to digging into Hyperbole, and perhaps will even generate a one-pag=
e report of feedback from a newbie. :)</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><=
div>Cena Mayo</div></div>
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> Cena Mayo writes:
> In my simple-mindedness as an (Emacs) newbie trying out Hyperbole, (9.0.1 on Emacs 31.0.50) I attempted to create a new Koutliner file via the
> Hyperbole menu->Koutliner->Create-File.
>
> After entering the name of the file and pressing return, I got:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function klabel-type:function)
>   klabel-type:function(alpha)
>   kview:set-functions(alpha)
>   kview:create("changes")
>   kfile:create(#<buffer changes>)
>   kfile:read(#<buffer changes> nil)
>   kfile:find("~/.emacs.d/changes")
>   funcall-interactively(kfile:find "~/.emacs.d/changes")
>   command-execute(kfile:find)
>
> As you can see, I left the file type off of the file name; including it (changes.kotl)) resolves the issue. 
>
> So this isn't a bug, per se; I'm just reporting this because maybe(?) a reminder upon file name input or auto-addition of the file type to the file name
> could be implemented?  In your copious free time? 

Thanks for the report. I can recreate the issue on thus confirm it.

I think it is a loading or dependency issue where all relevant kotl functions are not loaded as they should. A possible workaround is to add a "(require 'kotl-mode)" to your .emacs. The problem is present in all versions of Hyperbole.

%% Mats

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