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30.0.92; remapped command's docstring still claims to have menu invocation

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Subject: Re: bug#78391: 30.0.92; remapped command's docstring still claims to
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How about:

Its keys and menu entry are remapped to =E2=80=98ibuffer=E2=80=99.
    Without this remapping, it would be bound to C-x C-b
    and to the menu entry Buffers =E2=86=92 List All Buffers


On Tue, 13 May 2025 at 12:20=E2=80=AFam, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN=
eal.ca>
wrote:

> > Thanks.  Does the patch below give good results?
> >
> > Stefan, any comments?
> >
> > diff --git a/lisp/help-fns.el b/lisp/help-fns.el
> > index e7bbd25..aacdcc5 100644
> > --- a/lisp/help-fns.el
> > +++ b/lisp/help-fns.el
> > @@ -624,8 +624,11 @@ help-fns--key-bindings
> >                (let ((start (point)))
> >                  (help-fns--insert-menu-bindings
> >                   menus
> > -                 (concat "It can " (and keys "also ")
> > -                         "be invoked from the menu: "))
> > +                 (if remapped
> > +                     (concat "Without the remapping, it could "
> > +                             (and keys "also ") "be invoked from the
> menu: ")
> > +                   (concat "It can " (and keys "also ")
> > +                           "be invoked from the menu: ")))
> >                  (fill-region-as-paragraph start (point))))
> >              (ensure-empty-lines)))))))
> >
>
> It gives a rather redundant text since the same "Without the remapping"
> is used just above for the key bindings.  As a user I'd prefer it
> integrated into that previous sentence to end up with a text along the
> lines of:
>
>     Its keys are remapped to =E2=80=98ibuffer=E2=80=99.
>     Without this remapping, it would be bound to C-x C-b
>     and to the menu entry Buffers =E2=86=92 List All Buffers
>
>
> - Stefan
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">How about:</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><div><div style=3D"font-size:1rem;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;le=
tter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;=
word-spacing:1px;text-decoration:none;font-family:-apple-system,&quot;helve=
tica neue&quot;;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(117,117,117=
);color:rgb(117,117,117)" dir=3D"auto">Its keys and menu entry are remapped=
 to =E2=80=98ibuffer=E2=80=99.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Without this remapping, it =
would be bound to C-x C-b<br></div><span style=3D"font-family:-apple-system=
,&quot;helvetica neue&quot;;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:40=
0;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:nor=
mal;word-spacing:1px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!importa=
nt;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(49,49,49);color:rgb(49,4=
9,49)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and to the menu entry Buffers =E2=86=92 List All Buffe=
rs</span></div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_con=
tainer"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 13 May 2025 at 12:20=
=E2=80=AFam, Stefan Monnier &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:monnier@HIDDEN"=
>monnier@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-lef=
t-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">&gt; Tha=
nks.=C2=A0 Does the patch below give good results?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Stefan, any comments?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; diff --git a/lisp/help-fns.el b/lisp/help-fns.el<br>
&gt; index e7bbd25..aacdcc5 100644<br>
&gt; --- a/lisp/help-fns.el<br>
&gt; +++ b/lisp/help-fns.el<br>
&gt; @@ -624,8 +624,11 @@ help-fns--key-bindings<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (let ((start (p=
oint)))<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (help-fn=
s--insert-menu-bindings<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0me=
nus<br>
&gt; -=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(concat=
 &quot;It can &quot; (and keys &quot;also &quot;)<br>
&gt; -=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;be invoked from the menu: &quot;))<br>
&gt; +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(if rem=
apped<br>
&gt; +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0(concat &quot;Without the remapping, it could &quot;<br>
&gt; +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(and keys &quot;also &quot;) &quot;be in=
voked from the menu: &quot;)<br>
&gt; +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
(concat &quot;It can &quot; (and keys &quot;also &quot;)<br>
&gt; +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;be invoked from the menu: &quot;)))<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (fill-re=
gion-as-paragraph start (point))))<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (ensure-empty-lines)))=
))))<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
It gives a rather redundant text since the same &quot;Without the remapping=
&quot;<br>
is used just above for the key bindings.=C2=A0 As a user I&#39;d prefer it<=
br>
integrated into that previous sentence to end up with a text along the<br>
lines of:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Its keys are remapped to =E2=80=98ibuffer=E2=80=99.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Without this remapping, it would be bound to C-x C-b<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and to the menu entry Buffers =E2=86=92 List All Buffers<br>
<br>
<br>
- Stefan<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div>

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> Thanks.  Does the patch below give good results?
>
> Stefan, any comments?
>
> diff --git a/lisp/help-fns.el b/lisp/help-fns.el
> index e7bbd25..aacdcc5 100644
> --- a/lisp/help-fns.el
> +++ b/lisp/help-fns.el
> @@ -624,8 +624,11 @@ help-fns--key-bindings
>                (let ((start (point)))
>                  (help-fns--insert-menu-bindings
>                   menus
> -                 (concat "It can " (and keys "also ")
> -                         "be invoked from the menu: "))
> +                 (if remapped
> +                     (concat "Without the remapping, it could "
> +                             (and keys "also ") "be invoked from the men=
u: ")
> +                   (concat "It can " (and keys "also ")
> +                           "be invoked from the menu: ")))
>                  (fill-region-as-paragraph start (point))))
>              (ensure-empty-lines)))))))
>=20=20

It gives a rather redundant text since the same "Without the remapping"
is used just above for the key bindings.  As a user I'd prefer it
integrated into that previous sentence to end up with a text along the
lines of:

    Its keys are remapped to =E2=80=98ibuffer=E2=80=99.
    Without this remapping, it would be bound to C-x C-b
    and to the menu entry Buffers =E2=86=92 List All Buffers


- Stefan
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Subject: Re: bug#78391: 30.0.92;
 remapped command's docstring still claims to have menu invocation
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> From: Jake <jforst.mailman@HIDDEN>
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 12:19:33 +0000
> 
> From emacs -Q, evaluate
>   (keymap-global-set "<remap> <list-buffers>" #'ibuffer)
> then C-h f list-buffers RET
> 
> The docstring includes:
> 
> "Its keys are remapped to ‘ibuffer’.  Without this remapping, it would
> be bound to C-x C-b.
> It can also be invoked from the menu: Buffers → List All Buffers"
> 
> It cannot be invoked from the menu as the menu item is also remapped.

Thanks.  Does the patch below give good results?

Stefan, any comments?

diff --git a/lisp/help-fns.el b/lisp/help-fns.el
index e7bbd25..aacdcc5 100644
--- a/lisp/help-fns.el
+++ b/lisp/help-fns.el
@@ -624,8 +624,11 @@ help-fns--key-bindings
               (let ((start (point)))
                 (help-fns--insert-menu-bindings
                  menus
-                 (concat "It can " (and keys "also ")
-                         "be invoked from the menu: "))
+                 (if remapped
+                     (concat "Without the remapping, it could "
+                             (and keys "also ") "be invoked from the menu: ")
+                   (concat "It can " (and keys "also ")
+                           "be invoked from the menu: ")))
                 (fill-region-as-paragraph start (point))))
             (ensure-empty-lines)))))))
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bug#78391; Package emacs. Full text available.

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Hello

From emacs -Q, evaluate
  (keymap-global-set "<remap> <list-buffers>" #'ibuffer)
then C-h f list-buffers RET

The docstring includes:

"Its keys are remapped to =E2=80=98ibuffer=E2=80=99.  Without this remappin=
g, it would
be bound to C-x C-b.
It can also be invoked from the menu: Buffers =E2=86=92 List All Buffers"

It cannot be invoked from the menu as the menu item is also remapped.

Thanks
Jake


In GNU Emacs 30.0.92 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
3.24.43, cairo version 1.18.2)
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101015
System Description: Guix System

Configured using:
 'configure
 CONFIG_SHELL=3D/gnu/store/m0xdsa8cfq6mq1kxgxmpmpg71la4f0b9-bash-minimal-5.=
1.16/bin/bash
 SHELL=3D/gnu/store/m0xdsa8cfq6mq1kxgxmpmpg71la4f0b9-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bi=
n/bash
 --prefix=3D/gnu/store/11m3qxg9dc02qm0hv4qsnwdppxic196c-emacs-next-30.0.92-=
0.881d593
 --enable-fast-install --with-cairo --with-modules
 --with-native-compilation=3Daot --disable-build-details'

Configured features:
ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG
LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP
NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $EMACSLOADPATH:
/home/jake/.guix-profile/share/emacs/site-lisp:/gnu/store/11m3qxg9dc02qm0hv=
4qsnwdppxic196c-emacs-next-30.0.92-0.881d593/share/emacs/30.0.92/lisp
  value of $LANG: en_AU.utf8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello</div><div><br></div><div>From emacs -Q, evaluat=
e</div><div>=C2=A0 (keymap-global-set &quot;&lt;remap&gt; &lt;list-buffers&=
gt;&quot; #&#39;ibuffer)</div><div>then C-h f list-buffers RET</div><div><b=
r></div><div>The docstring includes:</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;Its key=
s are remapped to =E2=80=98ibuffer=E2=80=99.=C2=A0 Without this remapping, =
it would<br>be bound to C-x C-b.<br>It can also be invoked from the menu: B=
uffers =E2=86=92 List All Buffers&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>It cannot =
be invoked from the menu as the menu item is also remapped.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Thanks</div><div>Jake</div><div><br><br>In GNU Emacs 30.0.92 (bui=
ld 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version<br>3.24.43, cairo version 1.18.2)<b=
r>Windowing system distributor &#39;The X.Org Foundation&#39;, version 11.0=
.12101015<br>System Description: Guix System<br><br>Configured using:<br>=
=C2=A0&#39;configure<br>=C2=A0CONFIG_SHELL=3D/gnu/store/m0xdsa8cfq6mq1kxgxm=
pmpg71la4f0b9-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash<br>=C2=A0SHELL=3D/gnu/store/m0xd=
sa8cfq6mq1kxgxmpmpg71la4f0b9-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash<br>=C2=A0--prefix=
=3D/gnu/store/11m3qxg9dc02qm0hv4qsnwdppxic196c-emacs-next-30.0.92-0.881d593=
<br>=C2=A0--enable-fast-install --with-cairo --with-modules<br>=C2=A0--with=
-native-compilation=3Daot --disable-build-details&#39;<br><br>Configured fe=
atures:<br>ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBU=
ZZ JPEG<br>LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATI=
VE_COMP<br>NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TI=
FF<br>TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB<br=
><br>Important settings:<br>=C2=A0 value of $EMACSLOADPATH: /home/jake/.gui=
x-profile/share/emacs/site-lisp:/gnu/store/11m3qxg9dc02qm0hv4qsnwdppxic196c=
-emacs-next-30.0.92-0.881d593/share/emacs/30.0.92/lisp<br>=C2=A0 value of $=
LANG: en_AU.utf8<br>=C2=A0 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix<br><br></div></=
div>

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