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Content preview: > I understand, but I don't see why this should be forbidden.
In the patch I posted it's not forbidden. Users would just have to set the
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> I understand, but I don't see why this should be forbidden.
In the patch I posted it's not forbidden. Users would just have to set
the FORCE flag in order to delete F1.
martin
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Full text available.Received: (at 78583) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 May 2025 06:24:05 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 29 02:24:05 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32869 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uKWgP-0005Ps-3L for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2025 02:24:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36910) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uKWgL-0005PH-BK for 78583 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2025 02:24:02 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1uKWgE-0007Hs-JC; Thu, 29 May 2025 02:23:54 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/sg/T9wC5DwW1BFEZ9x9ZCBifIxdMBjY/MakEGuIWnc=; b=WC/o6beszrRn SiOnWgSbjB/lD/w6M748ujAhZrdBS6gBCjeapnZiG9bCq5UWJgxhJfbEcdfGJJ4AXsj9AbM2BZ4ZD o2eomYbC0kDa3SQEYXZ5yvZJ113S7e3i7gHfz0zC5t4BKClUq0JFqw+AiQXvI8IWeBMkihqObUHnb KpEglMbE7pZ4euFaDn99YTDkkCSVspLMGpWGSf8s+KV1osXXvIv5oYiDQnbK4XXo63lqfcFlN+WVX /Bd3gPj/sMlPTHAPpmuFO/cnqV8yJ+6ltIJEpIWo70rKZnklIgCO+ktCnniOECqQssYPhaMjXf/yU o6qDs+3vZkR5wrUoIfNlxQ==; Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 09:23:51 +0300 Message-Id: <86v7pkue88.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Madhu <enometh@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <20250529.064257.1362950068693236576.enometh@HIDDEN> (message from Madhu on Thu, 29 May 2025 06:42:57 +0530 (IST)) Subject: Re: bug#78583: 31.0.50; emacs --fg-daemon not protecting frame F1 References: <afdfc9ce-f4b4-42f2-bc27-a210d356a8f7@HIDDEN> <20250528.203302.755305685677562890.enometh@HIDDEN> <86cybswx89.fsf@HIDDEN> <20250529.064257.1362950068693236576.enometh@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78583 Cc: rudalics@HIDDEN, 78583 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 06:42:57 +0530 (IST) > Cc: rudalics@HIDDEN, 78583 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > From: Madhu <enometh@HIDDEN> > > * Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> <86cybswx89.fsf@HIDDEN> > > I understand, but I don't see why this should be forbidden. > > It should not. (as I said "(it should still be possible, but only > after warning and user confirmation).") > > Maybe it is possible to do this via delete-frame-functions. Patches to that effect are welcome, but I hope we all agree that this is not a regression, just a potentially dangerous operation that was always allowed, and which we now would like to be protected by a confirmation prompt.
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will have to anser that.>> I can offer the below. It would have to be documented somewhere in the
>> daemon/emacsclient section. After all (delete-frame terminal-frame) can
>> be used to kill the daemon - I never use emacsclient so I have no idea
>> whether and how useful that would be.
>
> Is this indeed a recent regression?
No.
> If so, can we restore previous
> behavior (which was what, btw)?
>
> If this is not a regression, i.e. killing the initial frame in a
> daemon session was previously allowed, then I don't think we should
> signal an error. We might ask for confirmation, but even then I'm not
> sure. If someone wants to kill that frame, why should Emacs protest?
Maybe Madhu can tell us.
martin
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> On another note, I still believe that in daemonized emacs the F1 frame
> is special and should never be deleted by regular frame commands, (it
> should still be possible, but only after warning and user
> confirmation). Would you agree? or perhaps you can suggest how best
> this may be done. --Best Regards, Madhu
I can offer the below. It would have to be documented somewhere in the
daemon/emacsclient section. After all (delete-frame terminal-frame) can
be used to kill the daemon - I never use emacsclient so I have no idea
whether and how useful that would be.
martin
diff --git a/src/frame.c b/src/frame.c
index f2acb19c77d..7a07f538d9f 100644
--- a/src/frame.c
+++ b/src/frame.c
@@ -2481,6 +2481,8 @@ delete_frame (Lisp_Object frame, Lisp_Object force)
else
error ("Attempt to delete the only frame");
}
+ else if (IS_DAEMON && FRAME_INITIAL_P (f) && NILP (force))
+ error ("Attempt to delete daemon's initial frame");
#ifdef HAVE_X_WINDOWS
else if ((x_dnd_in_progress && f == x_dnd_frame)
|| (x_dnd_waiting_for_finish && f == x_dnd_finish_frame))
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C-x 5 1 > 3. type M-: (frame-list) ;; only one frame. The previous [...]
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Content preview: > $ emacs --fg-daemon=foo & > $ emacsclient -n -c -s foo
& > > on the graphical frame > 1. type M-: (frame-list) ;; two frames > 2.
C-x 5 1 > 3. type M-: (frame-list) ;; only one frame. The previous [...]
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for more information.
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> $ emacs --fg-daemon=foo &
> $ emacsclient -n -c -s foo &
>
> on the graphical frame
> 1. type M-: (frame-list) ;; two frames
> 2. C-x 5 1
> 3. type M-: (frame-list) ;; only one frame. The previous
> step shouldn't have deleted Frame F1.
>
> I noticed this on master on (may 10 2025) commit 6699062.
>
> I'm sure this worked on master on feb 13 2025, commit b8c8ae92 but I
> couldn't check the previous emacs-31.0.4.x binaries are unusable because
> of unrelated elisp changes. --Madhu
Hopefully fixed now. Please try again.
Thanks for the report, martin
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#78583; Package emacs.
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