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Or did I > miss something? The doc-string of 'quit-window-kill-buffer' would still have to be rewritten from scratch. Or did I miss something? martin
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Subject: Re: bug#79065: 31.0.50;
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> Cc: rudalics@HIDDEN
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 22:22:53 -0700
> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>
>
> +If @var{kill} is the special value @code{invert}, or when calling
> +interactively with the prefix argument, then @code{quit-window} inverts
> +the meaning of @code{quit-window-kill-buffer}, so that when it would
> +normally kill the buffer, it buries it instead, and vice versa.
'invert' is a problematic symbol for this purpose, because it doesn't
tell what will happen. I prefer to use 2 symbols with explicit names,
'kill' and 'bury', instead, and have the prefix argument compute the
value by looking at the value of quit-window-kill-buffer. This way, a
Lisp program will tell explicitly what it does, and interactive usage
still "inverts" the value of the option.
> (defun quit-window (&optional kill window)
> "Quit WINDOW and bury its buffer.
> -WINDOW must be a live window and defaults to the selected one.
> -With prefix argument KILL non-nil, kill the buffer instead of
> -burying it.
> +WINDOW must be a live window and defaults to the selected one. Kill the
> +buffer instead according to `quit-window-kill-buffer' (which see).
> +
> +If KILL is `invert' (interactively, with the prefix argument), then
When you mention literal symbols in doc strings, please use
If KILL is the symbol `invert', ....
This prevents Emacs from accidentally creating a false link leading
nowhere relevant.
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<https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > For a long time, I've had a bit of code in my config to invert the > default behavior of 'quit-window', so that it normally kills the > buffer, but buries it with the prefix arg. With bug#76248, I now have > almost what I want in Emacs proper (thanks!), except without the > prefix arg behavior. > > Attached is a patch to do this. Hopefully the documentation is ok, but > I'm open to other wordings. I fear my current wording might be a bit > convoluted... IIUC the current behavior has the prefix argument simply ignore 'quit-window-kill-buffer'. With your patch it inverts whatever that option prescribed till now. Right? If so, this would constitute an incompatible change and we probably should convey the behavior you want via a new value for 'quit-window-kill-buffer' itself. In either case, the doc-string of 'quit-window-kill-buffer' would have to be amended accordingly and the new behavior be called out in NEWS. Thanks, martin
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With bug#76248, I now hav [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jporterbugs[at]gmail.com) -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2001:470:142:0:0:0:0:17 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------wqd8Q3WtnoIRC8XB500ByMDa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Debbugs-Cc: rudalics@HIDDEN For a long time, I've had a bit of code in my config to invert the default behavior of 'quit-window', so that it normally kills the buffer, but buries it with the prefix arg. With bug#76248, I now have almost what I want in Emacs proper (thanks!), except without the prefix arg behavior. Attached is a patch to do this. Hopefully the documentation is ok, but I'm open to other wordings. 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