Received: (at 79253) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Aug 2025 07:12:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 17 03:12:12 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44793 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1unXYq-00042G-Cz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2025 03:12:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48998) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1unXYl-00041k-1D; Sun, 17 Aug 2025 03:12:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1unXYe-00071K-Pk; Sun, 17 Aug 2025 03:12:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=doMgfpIuWjmqCaeNwX7tsBSz33MouMyrnL9kq1jb6FQ=; b=UbKgl5EYb1mv W37fBdAAJ6ULbGqrt66wXfn4x3m5JBaWcxJmXcMdIai1TPqz03EDcJZueMRqcXa3l8nuh955AnAlm vxYJQsntKb5dgOJfbmSSz+OvNaUhqs1F/C5m8CKBa39rAAVx0WdFyx7QjDMyhUJMo3g6s8GnS7aBd neaR+KZEFeSkhVCVOBmHwc3T3IvpqEQ04kGy70tqrTgOCQThiyZDjwJgdDr67FPDczbm1nRaW6wVU o7o3uZA7qee+qigrLP/ccMIg9P5zcKJS4QsTGlMVIKJMLGPDsd7ws/eWjjI5gGKlzD3UT52pl+1C/ CidYqw/0WzyAfK2lIMDHUA==; Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 10:11:57 +0300 Message-Id: <86sehqifr6.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: "R. Diez" <rdiez-2006@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <fc2a1405-71c7-4ef2-8c66-ffac7d00bc96@HIDDEN> (rdiez-2006@HIDDEN) Subject: Re: bug#79253: Add timestamps to *Messages* References: <1625b03b-c625-43ca-a370-f52ea0956c00@HIDDEN> <86bjoflj2d.fsf@HIDDEN> <fc2a1405-71c7-4ef2-8c66-ffac7d00bc96@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79253 Cc: 79253 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) severity 79253 wishlist thanks > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 23:01:50 +0200 > Cc: 79253 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > From: "R. Diez" <rdiez-2006@HIDDEN> > > > >> Could you implement an easy way to add timestamps to the *Messages* buffer? > > > > Did you try using set-message-function to install your function as the > > one that adds a time stamp to the text of the message to be shown? If > > you tried, and it didn't work, please tell what didn't work. If you > > didn't try, please do. > > First of all, thanks for the hint. The 'message' function does not mention 'set-message-function' or the like, so I missed it. > > I could find very little information about 'set-message-function', and no examples whatsoever, so I came up with this: > > (defun my-message-function (msg) > "" ; No docstring yet. > (concat "Test: " msg)) > > (setq set-message-function #'my-message-function) > > The effect is that messages in the minibuffer do get the "Test:" prefix, but messages in the *Messages* buffer do not. > > But that is exactly the opposite of what I am trying to achieve! OK, thanks for testing. One problem with your request is that Emacs many times generates messages by multiple calls to the 'message' function. Prepending the current time to each message passed to 'message' will thus produce somewhat sub-optimal, maybe even ugly, results. For example, if you type C-p at the first line of a buffer, Emacs signals an error that logs in the *Messages* buffer as previous-line: Beginning of buffer But if we prepend each logged message with current time, it will instead look like this: 17/08/2025 00:09:44 previous-line 17/08/2025 00:09:44 : 17/08/2025 00:09:44 Beginning of buffer This happens because in this case we call 'message' 3 times, with the following 3 strings: "previous-line" ": " "Beginning of buffer" It also means that the usual Emacs feature of compacting *Messages* by combining duplicate messages will not work, because each of those duplicate lines will now have different time stamps prepended to it, and also potentially broken into several lines. If this is acceptable, we can implement the feature you are asking for. Otherwise, I don't see how this could be implemented, except by having each Lisp program that calls 'message' inject the time string where appropriate. What do people think about the acceptability of the above? Do people have other ideas for implementing this?
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Diez" <rdiez-2006@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) "R. Diez" via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: Hi, >> What is wrong with Tramp's debug buffers? They provide timestamps. > > I suspect that some Tramp connection timeout messages only appear in > the *Messages* buffer, and not in Tramp's debugger buffer, or they > appear with a long delay. That is why I wanted to correlate. FTR: any message from Tramp sent to *Messages* is also sent to the respective Tramp debug buffer, if such buffer is in place. It is created, when tramp-verbose is greater than 3. All of this is explained in (info "(tramp) Traces and Profiles") . Best regards, Michael.
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Diez" <rdiez-2006@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "R. Diez" via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: Hi, >> What is wrong with Tramp's debug buffers? They provide timestamps. > > I suspect that some Tramp connection timeout messages only appear in > the *Messages* buffer, and not in Tramp's debugger buffer, or they > appear with a long delay. That is why I wanted to correlate. FTR: any message from Tramp sent to *Messages* is also sent to the respective Tramp debug buffer, if such buffer is in place. It is created, when tramp-verbose is greater than 3. All of this is explained in (info "(tramp) Traces and Profiles") . Best regards, Michael.
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Diez" <rdiez-2006@HIDDEN> Content-Language: de-DE, en-GB In-Reply-To: <86bjoflj2d.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PPP-Message-ID: <175537811057.30319.18182237434697964028@HIDDEN> X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd-worker-8404 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 54DE3100272 X-NC-CID: b0FpyG34j3FcjknOzHu5zin4J+LlwByBu3qkmbMh X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79253 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 02:26:58 -0400 Cc: 79253 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> Could you implement an easy way to add timestamps to the *Messages* buffer? > > Did you try using set-message-function to install your function as the > one that adds a time stamp to the text of the message to be shown? If > you tried, and it didn't work, please tell what didn't work. If you > didn't try, please do. First of all, thanks for the hint. The 'message' function does not mention 'set-message-function' or the like, so I missed it. I could find very little information about 'set-message-function', and no examples whatsoever, so I came up with this: (defun my-message-function (msg) "" ; No docstring yet. (concat "Test: " msg)) (setq set-message-function #'my-message-function) The effect is that messages in the minibuffer do get the "Test:" prefix, but messages in the *Messages* buffer do not. But that is exactly the opposite of what I am trying to achieve!
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Diez" <rdiez-2006@HIDDEN> Content-Language: de-DE, en-GB In-Reply-To: <87h5y7emnh.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PPP-Message-ID: <175537790976.29408.9060943731986065531@HIDDEN> X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd-worker-8404 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7DA3F100272 X-NC-CID: nw3MgAGLx/3fkD4Ycd20S8lwrDH/vwrG9Dbcgy3Q X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79253 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 02:26:58 -0400 Cc: 79253 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > What is wrong with Tramp's debug buffers? They provide timestamps. I suspect that some Tramp connection timeout messages only appear in the *Messages* buffer, and not in Tramp's debugger buffer, or they appear with a long delay. That is why I wanted to correlate. In any case, I should have phrased this feature request differently. It is not about Tramp, it is a general feature request for *Messages* which could help in other scenarios, like correlating Emacs events with external logs, or just checking how much time has passed between 2 messages in that buffer, or how long ago some event I am trying to troubleshoot happened. > Personally, I don't believe we shall add such a general "improvement" to > the *Messages* buffer. It is a simple mean to show messages sent to > it. The contents of a message, including a timestamp, is the > responsibility of the sender. I have a different opinion. 8-) It is impractical for the sender to add timestamps. There are thousands of senders. And how are they going to agree the time format? Other log systems or log windows add the timestamps automatically. In the command line, I can use a tool like 'ts' from moreutils in order to prepend a timestamp to every line of input you give it. But that wouldn't work with the *Messages* buffer.
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Diez" via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi all: Hi, > I am trying to debug a Tramp problem, and I need associate Tramp debug log entries with entries in the *Messages* buffer. > > This is hard to do, because the *Messages* buffer has no timestamps. > > Some other people have had this problem before: > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/32150/how-to-add-a-timestamp-to-each-entry-in-emacs-messages-buffer > > The trouble is, there is not one solution, but a few of them, with different activation procedures. I gets complicated because minibuffer vs *Messages*, and because of the "[3 times]" markers upon repetition. > > I am not very proficient at Lisp, and I couldn't make it out. The "advice" method is a kludge anyway. > > Could you implement an easy way to add timestamps to the *Messages* buffer? What is wrong with Tramp's debug buffers? They provide timestamps. Personally, I don't believe we shall add such a general "improvement" to the *Messages* buffer. It is a simple mean to show messages sent to it. The contents of a message, including a timestamp, is the responsibility of the sender. But that's my understanding; people might see it different. > Thanks in advance, > rdiez Best regards, Michael.
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Diez" via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi all: Hi, > I am trying to debug a Tramp problem, and I need associate Tramp debug log entries with entries in the *Messages* buffer. > > This is hard to do, because the *Messages* buffer has no timestamps. > > Some other people have had this problem before: > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/32150/how-to-add-a-timestamp-to-each-entry-in-emacs-messages-buffer > > The trouble is, there is not one solution, but a few of them, with different activation procedures. I gets complicated because minibuffer vs *Messages*, and because of the "[3 times]" markers upon repetition. > > I am not very proficient at Lisp, and I couldn't make it out. The "advice" method is a kludge anyway. > > Could you implement an easy way to add timestamps to the *Messages* buffer? What is wrong with Tramp's debug buffers? They provide timestamps. Personally, I don't believe we shall add such a general "improvement" to the *Messages* buffer. It is a simple mean to show messages sent to it. The contents of a message, including a timestamp, is the responsibility of the sender. But that's my understanding; people might see it different. > Thanks in advance, > rdiez Best regards, Michael.
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Diez" <rdiez-2006@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-GB Subject: Add timestamps to *Messages* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PPP-Message-ID: <175528684092.30382.2874520252243262047@HIDDEN> X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd-worker-8404 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9388B100817 X-NC-CID: Fo79muw0wn9d1PImjWAjXPSlJsB09B0EV+8w7TOo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=188.68.63.102; envelope-from=rdiez-2006@HIDDEN; helo=relay.yourmailgateway.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 03:37:11 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) Hi all: I am trying to debug a Tramp problem, and I need associate Tramp debug log entries with entries in the *Messages* buffer. This is hard to do, because the *Messages* buffer has no timestamps. Some other people have had this problem before: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/32150/how-to-add-a-timestamp-to-each-entry-in-emacs-messages-buffer The trouble is, there is not one solution, but a few of them, with different activation procedures. I gets complicated because minibuffer vs *Messages*, and because of the "[3 times]" markers upon repetition. I am not very proficient at Lisp, and I couldn't make it out. The "advice" method is a kludge anyway. Could you implement an easy way to add timestamps to the *Messages* buffer? Thanks in advance, rdiez
"R. Diez" <rdiez-2006@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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