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Thanks for adding hideshow indicators!

Now I tried to configure TAB-cycling like in outline-minor-mode
where TAB cycles hs-visibility only on lines with new hs-indicators
(and not on lines with outlines):

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(define-key hs-minor-mode-map (kbd "TAB")
            `(menu-item
              "" hs-toggle-hiding
              :filter
              ,(lambda (cmd)
                 (when (and (seq-some (lambda (ov) (overlay-get ov 'hs-indicator))
                                      (overlays-in (line-beginning-position)
                                                   (line-end-position)))
                            (not (seq-some (lambda (ov) (overlay-get ov 'outline-button))
                                           (overlays-in (line-beginning-position)
                                                        (line-end-position)))))
                   cmd))))
#+end_src

But due to inherent limitations of hs-minor-mode, after hiding a block
point jumps to some random places, so the above unfortunately doesn't work.

I have no idea how hs-minor-mode could be fixed.
Maybe by just adding save-excursion somewhere?

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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

> Now I tried to configure TAB-cycling like in outline-minor-mode
> where TAB cycles hs-visibility only on lines with new hs-indicators
> (and not on lines with outlines):
>
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> (define-key hs-minor-mode-map (kbd "TAB")
>             `(menu-item
>               "" hs-toggle-hiding
>               :filter
>               ,(lambda (cmd)
>                  (when (and (seq-some (lambda (ov) (overlay-get ov 'hs-indicator))
>                                       (overlays-in (line-beginning-position)
>                                                    (line-end-position)))
>                             (not (seq-some (lambda (ov) (overlay-get ov 'outline-button))
>                                            (overlays-in (line-beginning-position)
>                                                         (line-end-position)))))
>                    cmd))))
> #+end_src
>
> But due to inherent limitations of hs-minor-mode, after hiding a block
> point jumps to some random places, so the above unfortunately doesn't work.
>
> I have no idea how hs-minor-mode could be fixed.
> Maybe by just adding save-excursion somewhere?

I could not reproduce this, do you have a recipe?

Also this sounds like it is related to `hs--refresh-indicators` (because
it's called in `hs-toggle-hiding`), but i'm not sure why since it
already have a save-excursion.

Can you evaluate this and reproduce the issue again?

(defun hs--add-indicators (&optional beg end)
  "Add hideable indicators from BEG to END."
  (save-excursion
    (save-excursion
      (setq beg (if (null beg) (window-start) (goto-char beg) (pos-bol))
            end (if (null end) (window-end) (goto-char end) (pos-bol))))
    (goto-char beg)
    (remove-overlays beg end 'hs-indicator t)

    (while (funcall hs-find-next-block-func hs-block-start-regexp end nil)
      (when-let* ((b-beg (match-beginning 0))
                  (_ (save-excursion
                       (goto-char b-beg)
                       (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)))
                  ;; `catch' is used here if the search fail due
                  ;; unbalanced parenthesis or any other unknown error
                  ;; caused in `hs-forward-sexp'.
                  (b-end (catch 'hs-indicator-error
                           (save-excursion
                             (goto-char b-beg)
                             (condition-case _
                                 (funcall hs-forward-sexp-func 1)
                               (scan-error (throw 'hs-indicator-error nil)))
                             (point))))
                  ;; Check if block is longer than 1 line.
                  (_ (hs-hideable-region-p b-beg b-end)))
        (hs--make-indicators-overlays b-beg))
      ;; Only 1 indicator per line
      (forward-line 1))
    `(jit-lock-bounds ,beg . ,end)))

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> I could not reproduce this, do you have a recipe?

There is no problem in indicators.  The problem is that the command
'hs-toggle-hiding' moves point to the hidden overlay.

It works perfectly with the following workaround:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(define-key hs-minor-mode-map (kbd "TAB")
            `(menu-item
              "" hs-toggle-hiding
              :filter
              ,(lambda (cmd)
                 (when-let* ((ovs (overlays-in (line-beginning-position)
                                               (line-end-position)))
                             (hs-ov (seq-find
                                     (lambda (ov) (overlay-get ov 'hs-indicator)) ovs))
                             (_ (not (seq-some
                                      (lambda (ov) (overlay-get ov 'outline-button)) ovs))))
                   (lambda ()
                     (interactive)
                     (save-excursion
                       (goto-char (overlay-start hs-ov))
                       (funcall cmd)))))))
#+end_src

Shouldn't we add such 'save-excursion' inside 'hs-toggle-hiding'?

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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

>> I could not reproduce this, do you have a recipe?
>
> There is no problem in indicators.  The problem is that the command
> 'hs-toggle-hiding' moves point to the hidden overlay.

[...]

I've found this function was causing the bug:

(defun hs-hide-block-at-point (&optional end comment-reg)
  "Hide block if on block beginning.
Optional arg END means reposition at end.
Optional arg COMMENT-REG is a list of the form (BEGIN END) and
specifies the limits of the comment, or nil if the block is not
a comment.

The block beginning is adjusted by `hs-adjust-block-beginning'
and then further adjusted to be at the end of the line."
  (if comment-reg
      (hs-hide-comment-region (car comment-reg) (cadr comment-reg) end)
    (let* ((block (hs-block-positions))
           (p (car-safe block))
           (q (cdr-safe block))
           ov)
      (if (hs-hideable-region-p p q)
          (progn
            (cond ((and hs-allow-nesting (setq ov (hs-overlay-at p)))
                   (delete-overlay ov))
                  ((not hs-allow-nesting)
                   (hs-discard-overlays p q)))
            (goto-char q)
            (hs-make-overlay p q 'code (- (match-end 0) p)))
        (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0))))))))

This goto-char was supposed to be like in the above diff.

@@ -897,9 +897,8 @@ hs-hide-block-at-point
                    (delete-overlay ov))
                   ((not hs-allow-nesting)
                    (hs-discard-overlays p q)))
-            (goto-char q)
-            (hs-make-overlay p q 'code (- (match-end 0) p)))
-        (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0))))))))
+            (hs-make-overlay p q 'code (- (match-end 0) p))))
+      (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0)))))))


Try evaluating this, which should solve this:

(defun hs-hide-block-at-point (&optional end comment-reg)
  (if comment-reg
      (hs-hide-comment-region (car comment-reg) (cadr comment-reg) end)
    (let* ((block (hs-block-positions))
           (p (car-safe block))
           (q (cdr-safe block))
           ov)
      (if (hs-hideable-region-p p q)
          (progn
            (cond ((and hs-allow-nesting (setq ov (hs-overlay-at p)))
                   (delete-overlay ov))
                  ((not hs-allow-nesting)
                   (hs-discard-overlays p q)))
            (hs-make-overlay p q 'code (- (match-end 0) p))))
      (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0)))))))

> Shouldn't we add such 'save-excursion' inside 'hs-toggle-hiding'?

I guess so, hs-toggle-hidding (before this bug) moves the cursor to the
beginning of the current block but sometimes it is moved to the wrong
position.

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>> Shouldn't we add such 'save-excursion' inside 'hs-toggle-hiding'?
>
> I guess so, hs-toggle-hidding (before this bug) moves the cursor to the
> beginning of the current block but sometimes it is moved to the wrong
> position.

With this change in hs-hide-block-at-point, hs-toggle-hidding still
moves the cursor to the beginning of the current block.

But I prefer not to move the cursor at all, because outline-minor-mode
doesn't move the cursor on hiding a block.

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> This goto-char was supposed to be like in the above diff.
>
> @@ -897,9 +897,8 @@ hs-hide-block-at-point
>                     (delete-overlay ov))
>                    ((not hs-allow-nesting)
>                     (hs-discard-overlays p q)))
> -            (goto-char q)
> -            (hs-make-overlay p q 'code (- (match-end 0) p)))
> -        (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0))))))))
> +            (hs-make-overlay p q 'code (- (match-end 0) p))))
> +      (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0)))))))

Please prepare a patch if you think this is a correct fix.
(My previous comment was about a separate feature.)

Also it would be nice to fix 'hs-indicator-hide'.
It seems you intended to use a smaller arrow,
and 'hs-indicator-show' uses a nice small arrow named
BLACK RIGHT-POINTING SMALL TRIANGLE.
But 'hs-indicator-hide' uses some "ISOSCELES TRIANGLE"
that is larger than other arrows.
Maybe you intended to use BLACK DOWN-POINTING SMALL TRIANGLE
in 'hs-indicator-hide'?

BTW, also I propose to turn the defvar 'hs-allow-nesting'
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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

>> This goto-char was supposed to be like in the above diff.
>>
>> @@ -897,9 +897,8 @@ hs-hide-block-at-point
>>                     (delete-overlay ov))
>>                    ((not hs-allow-nesting)
>>                     (hs-discard-overlays p q)))
>> -            (goto-char q)
>> -            (hs-make-overlay p q 'code (- (match-end 0) p)))
>> -        (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0))))))))
>> +            (hs-make-overlay p q 'code (- (match-end 0) p))))
>> +      (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0)))))))
>
> Please prepare a patch if you think this is a correct fix.
> (My previous comment was about a separate feature.)

Oh, i thought this was considered a bug, sorry for the confusion.

> Also it would be nice to fix 'hs-indicator-hide'.
> It seems you intended to use a smaller arrow,
> and 'hs-indicator-show' uses a nice small arrow named
> BLACK RIGHT-POINTING SMALL TRIANGLE.
> But 'hs-indicator-hide' uses some "ISOSCELES TRIANGLE"
> that is larger than other arrows.
> Maybe you intended to use BLACK DOWN-POINTING SMALL TRIANGLE
> in 'hs-indicator-hide'?

Yes, I couldn't find the icon in `insert-char`, and all I found was this
"ISOSCELES TRIANGLE", If you wish, you can make the change, I have no
objections.

> BTW, also I propose to turn the defvar 'hs-allow-nesting'
> into defcustom.

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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

>>> Shouldn't we add such 'save-excursion' inside 'hs-toggle-hiding'?
>>
>> I guess so, hs-toggle-hidding (before this bug) moves the cursor to the
>> beginning of the current block but sometimes it is moved to the wrong
>> position.
>
> But I prefer not to move the cursor at all, because outline-minor-mode
> doesn't move the cursor on hiding a block.

Actually, all the hideshow commands moves the cursor (I don't know why,
probably to avoid conflicts with other hs commands).

I think it's convenient not to limit to `hs-toggle-hiding` and also
provide this to all the other commands, probably the save-excursion
should be added to the `hs-life-goes-on` macro (which is mostly used by
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Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN> writes:

I've made a patch which should apply the feature proposed:


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diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
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   (declare (debug t))
   `(when hs-minor-mode
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-       ,@body)))
+       (save-excursion ,@body))))
 
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This should make all the hideshow commands (including hs-toggle-hiding)
no jumpy.

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> I've made a patch which should apply the feature proposed:
>
> @@ -1056,7 +1056,7 @@ hs-life-goes-on
> -       ,@body)))
> +       (save-excursion ,@body))))
>
> This should make all the hideshow commands (including hs-toggle-hiding)
> no jumpy.

Thanks, this is much better.

There is another problem with hs commands: they operate on the list
starting on the current line only when the cursor is located immediately
on the first character of the list.

But when the cursor is located on whitespace to the left from the
first character of the list, then hs commands show/hide its parent
whose beginning might be too far above the current line.

For example, when the cursor is located at -!- below,
then the whole list 1 is hidden instead of the
expected 9 on the current line:

  (1
   2
   3
   4
   5
   6
   7
   8
  -!- (9
      )
  )

With using indicators, this can be fixed by moving the cursor
to the start of the overlay on the current line:

  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (overlay-start
                (seq-find
                 (lambda (ov) (overlay-get ov 'hs-indicator))
                 (overlays-in (line-beginning-position)
                              (line-end-position)))))
    ,@body)

But is it possible to do the same when indicators are not enabled?

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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

>> I've made a patch which should apply the feature proposed:
>>
>> @@ -1056,7 +1056,7 @@ hs-life-goes-on
>> -       ,@body)))
>> +       (save-excursion ,@body))))
>>
>> This should make all the hideshow commands (including hs-toggle-hiding)
>> no jumpy.
>
> Thanks, this is much better.
>
> There is another problem with hs commands: they operate on the list
> starting on the current line only when the cursor is located immediately
> on the first character of the list.
>
> But when the cursor is located on whitespace to the left from the
> first character of the list, then hs commands show/hide its parent
> whose beginning might be too far above the current line.
>
> For example, when the cursor is located at -!- below,
> then the whole list 1 is hidden instead of the
> expected 9 on the current line:
>
>   (1
>    2
>    3
>    4
>    5
>    6
>    7
>    8
>   -!- (9
>       )
>   )
>
> With using indicators, this can be fixed by moving the cursor
> to the start of the overlay on the current line:
>
>   (save-excursion
>     (goto-char (overlay-start
>                 (seq-find
>                  (lambda (ov) (overlay-get ov 'hs-indicator))
>                  (overlays-in (line-beginning-position)
>                               (line-end-position)))))
>     ,@body)
>
> But is it possible to do the same when indicators are not enabled?

Yes, e.g. in this patch this should be achieved:


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diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
index 07d7236c9b4..7e91f08eb89 100644
--- a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
+++ b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
@@ -1176,7 +1176,9 @@ hs-hide-block
                       (not (hs-hideable-region-p (car c-reg) (nth 1 c-reg)))))
        (message "(not enough comment lines to hide)"))
       ((or c-reg
-	   (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)
+           (progn
+             (skip-chars-forward " \t" (1+ (point)))
+             (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))
            (funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func))
        (hs-hide-block-at-point end c-reg)
        (hs--refresh-indicators)

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However, I am uncertain whether this should be added, as it is not easy
to distinguish whether the user wants to hide the parent block or the
closest one.

At least in this patch, assume the closest one if the cursor is 1 space
behind.

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Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN> writes:

> diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
> index 07d7236c9b4..7e91f08eb89 100644
> --- a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
> +++ b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
> @@ -1176,7 +1176,9 @@ hs-hide-block
>                        (not (hs-hideable-region-p (car c-reg) (nth 1 c-re=
g)))))
>         (message "(not enough comment lines to hide)"))
>        ((or c-reg
> -	   (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)
> +           (progn
> +             (skip-chars-forward " \t" (1+ (point)))
> +             (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))
>             (funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func))
>         (hs-hide-block-at-point end c-reg)
>         (hs--refresh-indicators)
>
>
> However, I am uncertain whether this should be added, as it is not easy
> to distinguish whether the user wants to hide the parent block or the
> closest one.
>
> At least in this patch, assume the closest one if the cursor is 1 space
> behind.

If we do this then maybe by adding a new user option?

As a user I (personally) would want hideshow to use the following block
on the same line.  A point changing behavior tends to be confusing when
the representation of the code is changed.

As programmer I think about the role of `hs-find-block-beginning-func':
the implementation of the default binding does what it does
intentionally (it's even described in a comment).  In theory this is the
variable one would change to get a different behavior.  But it is
referenced in several places, and it could be that something breaks when
we change it.

My main question is: was this behavior intended for the "top-level"
command as well, or is that just a consequence of the lower-level
implementation and then never anybody questioned it?


Michael.

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>> But is it possible to do the same when indicators are not enabled?
>
> Yes, e.g. in this patch this should be achieved:
>
> diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
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> +++ b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
> @@ -1176,7 +1176,9 @@ hs-hide-block
>                        (not (hs-hideable-region-p (car c-reg) (nth 1 c-reg)))))
>         (message "(not enough comment lines to hide)"))
>        ((or c-reg
> -	   (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)
> +           (progn
> +             (skip-chars-forward " \t" (1+ (point)))
> +             (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))

Skipping whitespace doesn't work in other languages, e.g. in C:

	  if -!-(condition
                 ...)

where the cursor on the first non-whitespace character
doesn't hide the block on the same line, so need to move point
to the same paren handled by hs.

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> Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
>> index 07d7236c9b4..7e91f08eb89 100644
>> --- a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
>> +++ b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
>> @@ -1176,7 +1176,9 @@ hs-hide-block
>>                        (not (hs-hideable-region-p (car c-reg) (nth 1 c-r=
eg)))))
>>         (message "(not enough comment lines to hide)"))
>>        ((or c-reg
>> -	   (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)
>> +           (progn
>> +             (skip-chars-forward " \t" (1+ (point)))
>> +             (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))
>>             (funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func))
>>         (hs-hide-block-at-point end c-reg)
>>         (hs--refresh-indicators)
>>
>>
>> However, I am uncertain whether this should be added, as it is not easy
>> to distinguish whether the user wants to hide the parent block or the
>> closest one.
>>
>> At least in this patch, assume the closest one if the cursor is 1 space
>> behind.
>
> If we do this then maybe by adding a new user option?
>
> As a user I (personally) would want hideshow to use the following
> block on the same line.

Sure (and maybe it can be enabled by default).

> As programmer I think about the role of
> `hs-find-block-beginning-func': the implementation of the default
> binding does what it does intentionally (it's even described in a
> comment).  In theory this is the variable one would change to get a
> different behavior.  But it is referenced in several places, and it
> could be that something breaks when we change it.

Yes, changing the variable behavior will break some functions where the
cursor position is important (such as hs-(hide|show)-all).

> My main question is: was this behavior intended for the "top-level"
> command as well, or is that just a consequence of the lower-level
> implementation and then never anybody questioned it?

Probably the former.

The easiest way to achieve this (and not break anything) is modifying
hs-life-goes-on, since this macro is used only for top-level commands.

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Michael Heerdegen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife
of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:

> Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
>> index 07d7236c9b4..7e91f08eb89 100644
>> --- a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
>> +++ b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
>> @@ -1176,7 +1176,9 @@ hs-hide-block
>>                        (not (hs-hideable-region-p (car c-reg) (nth 1 c-r=
eg)))))
>>         (message "(not enough comment lines to hide)"))
>>        ((or c-reg
>> -	   (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)
>> +           (progn
>> +             (skip-chars-forward " \t" (1+ (point)))
>> +             (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))
>>             (funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func))
>>         (hs-hide-block-at-point end c-reg)
>>         (hs--refresh-indicators)
>>
>>
>> However, I am uncertain whether this should be added, as it is not easy
>> to distinguish whether the user wants to hide the parent block or the
>> closest one.
>>
>> At least in this patch, assume the closest one if the cursor is 1 space
>> behind.
>
> If we do this then maybe by adding a new user option?
>
> As a user I (personally) would want hideshow to use the following
> block on the same line.

Sure (and maybe it can be enabled by default).

> As programmer I think about the role of
> `hs-find-block-beginning-func': the implementation of the default
> binding does what it does intentionally (it's even described in a
> comment).  In theory this is the variable one would change to get a
> different behavior.  But it is referenced in several places, and it
> could be that something breaks when we change it.

Yes, changing the variable behavior will break some functions where the
cursor position is important (such as hs-(hide|show)-all).

> My main question is: was this behavior intended for the "top-level"
> command as well, or is that just a consequence of the lower-level
> implementation and then never anybody questioned it?

Probably the former.

The easiest way to achieve this (and not break anything) is modifying
hs-life-goes-on, since this macro is used only for top-level commands.

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"Elijah G." <eg642616@HIDDEN> writes:

> >> However, I am uncertain whether this should be added, as it is not easy
> >> to distinguish whether the user wants to hide the parent block or the
> >> closest one. [...]
> >
> > If we do this then maybe by adding a new user option?
>
> Sure (and maybe it can be enabled by default).

Then, I'd say let's do this.

Michael.

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"Elijah G." <eg642616@HIDDEN> writes:

> >> However, I am uncertain whether this should be added, as it is not easy
> >> to distinguish whether the user wants to hide the parent block or the
> >> closest one. [...]
> >
> > If we do this then maybe by adding a new user option?
>
> Sure (and maybe it can be enabled by default).

Then, I'd say let's do this.

Michael.

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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

>>> But is it possible to do the same when indicators are not enabled?
>>
>> Yes, e.g. in this patch this should be achieved:
>>
>> diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
>> index 07d7236c9b4..7e91f08eb89 100644
>> --- a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
>> +++ b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
>> @@ -1176,7 +1176,9 @@ hs-hide-block
>>                        (not (hs-hideable-region-p (car c-reg) (nth 1 c-reg)))))
>>         (message "(not enough comment lines to hide)"))
>>        ((or c-reg
>> -	   (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)
>> +           (progn
>> +             (skip-chars-forward " \t" (1+ (point)))
>> +             (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))
>
> Skipping whitespace doesn't work in other languages, e.g. in C:
>
> 	  if -!-(condition
>                  ...)
>
> where the cursor on the first non-whitespace character
> doesn't hide the block on the same line, so need to move point
> to the same paren handled by hs.

I've tested it in c-mode and it worked, unless I have misunderstood you.

Also there is multiple calls to `skip-chars-forward` in hideshow.el for
skip the whitespaces, so I don't see why it wouldn't work.

-- 
- E.G via Gnus and Org.

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>>> +           (progn
>>> +             (skip-chars-forward " \t" (1+ (point)))
>>> +             (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))
>>
>> Skipping whitespace doesn't work in other languages, e.g. in C:
>>
>> 	  if -!-(condition
>>                  ...)
>>
>> where the cursor on the first non-whitespace character
>> doesn't hide the block on the same line, so need to move point
>> to the same paren handled by hs.
>
> I've tested it in c-mode and it worked, unless I have misunderstood you.

I meant something like

  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (pos-bol))
    (when (funcall hs-find-next-block-func hs-block-start-regexp
                   (pos-eol) nil)
      (goto-char (match-beginning 0))))

i.e. to go to the beginning of the first block on the current line.

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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

>>>> +           (progn
>>>> +             (skip-chars-forward " \t" (1+ (point)))
>>>> +             (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))
>>>
>>> Skipping whitespace doesn't work in other languages, e.g. in C:
>>>
>>> 	  if -!-(condition
>>>                  ...)
>>>
>>> where the cursor on the first non-whitespace character
>>> doesn't hide the block on the same line, so need to move point
>>> to the same paren handled by hs.
>>
>> I've tested it in c-mode and it worked, unless I have misunderstood you.
>
> I meant something like
>
>   (save-excursion
>     (goto-char (pos-bol))
>     (when (funcall hs-find-next-block-func hs-block-start-regexp
>                    (pos-eol) nil)
>       (goto-char (match-beginning 0))))
>
> i.e. to go to the beginning of the first block on the current line.

Oh i see, I've implemented it in the attached patch.

Also I've added little feature i found useful, if the hidding fails, it
will try to hide the parent block.

So calling hs-toggle-hiding in something like this:

  (when t
    |(print "message"))

It should now hide the parent block:
  (when t ...)


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diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
index d01f855a7f8..a7b2f01e891 100644
--- a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
+++ b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
@@ -253,6 +253,11 @@ hs-hide-comments-when-hiding-all
   "Hide the comments too when you do an `hs-hide-all'."
   :type 'boolean)
 
+(defcustom hs-hide-block-at-current-line t
+  "If non-nil, the hidding commands will hide any first block in current line."
+  :type 'boolean
+  :version "31.1")
+
 (defcustom hs-display-lines-hidden nil
   "If non-nil, display the number of hidden lines next to the ellipsis."
   :type 'boolean
@@ -877,7 +882,7 @@ hs-hide-comment-region
     (goto-char (if repos-end end (min end (+ beg-bol goal-col))))))
 
 (defun hs-hide-block-at-point (&optional end comment-reg)
-  "Hide block if on block beginning.
+  "Hide block if on block beginning, otherwise return nil.
 Optional arg END means reposition at end.
 Optional arg COMMENT-REG is a list of the form (BEGIN END) and
 specifies the limits of the comment, or nil if the block is not
@@ -899,7 +904,8 @@ hs-hide-block-at-point
                      (hs-discard-overlays p q)))
               (goto-char q)
               (hs-make-overlay p q 'code (- (match-end 0) p)))
-          (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0)))))))))
+          (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0))))
+          nil)))))
 
 (defun hs-inside-comment-p ()
   "Return non-nil if point is inside a comment, otherwise nil.
@@ -1056,7 +1062,8 @@ hs-life-goes-on
   (declare (debug t))
   `(when hs-minor-mode
      (let ((case-fold-search t))
-       ,@body)))
+       (save-match-data
+         (save-excursion ,@body)))))
 
 (defun hs-find-block-beginning-match ()
   "Reposition point at the end of match of the block-start regexp.
@@ -1176,13 +1183,28 @@ hs-hide-block
      (cond
       ((and c-reg (or (null (nth 0 c-reg))
                       (not (hs-hideable-region-p (car c-reg) (nth 1 c-reg)))))
-       (message "(not enough comment lines to hide)"))
-      ((or c-reg
-	   (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)
-           (funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func))
-       (hs-hide-block-at-point end c-reg)
-       (hs--refresh-indicators)
-       (run-hooks 'hs-hide-hook))))))
+       (user-error "(not enough comment lines to hide)"))
+
+      (c-reg (hs-hide-block-at-point end c-reg))
+
+      ((or (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)
+           (and hs-hide-block-at-current-line
+                (save-excursion
+                  (goto-char (line-beginning-position))
+                  (funcall hs-find-next-block-func hs-block-start-regexp
+                           (line-end-position) nil))
+                (goto-char (match-beginning 0))))
+       ;; If hidding the block fails (due the block is not hideable)
+       ;; Then just hide the parent block (if possible)
+       (unless (save-excursion (hs-hide-block-at-point end))
+         (goto-char (1- (point)))
+         (funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func)
+         (hs-hide-block-at-point end)))
+
+      ((funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func)
+       (hs-hide-block-at-point end)))
+
+     (run-hooks 'hs-hide-hook))))
 
 (defun hs-show-block (&optional end)
   "Select a block and show it.

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> Cc: 79585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 14:13:06 -0600
> 
> +(defcustom hs-hide-block-at-current-line t
> +  "If non-nil, the hidding commands will hide any first block in current line."

What is "the first block" in this context?  Can the doc string clarify
what that means?

>  (defun hs-hide-block-at-point (&optional end comment-reg)
> -  "Hide block if on block beginning.
> +  "Hide block if on block beginning, otherwise return nil.

If you describe the return value, please describe it in both cases.
Alternatively, don't describe the return value in the first line, but
say what the function _does_ "otherwise", and then describe the return
value in both cases in the rest of the doc string.

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

>> Cc: 79585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> From: Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 14:13:06 -0600
>>
>> +(defcustom hs-hide-block-at-current-line t
>> +  "If non-nil, the hidding commands will hide any first block in curren=
t line."
>
> What is "the first block" in this context?  Can the doc string clarify
> what that means?

It means that it will hide any first block it founds after the BOL.

I don't know how to document this, the variable name and docstring were
temporary until i could think of something better (or discard it).

>>  (defun hs-hide-block-at-point (&optional end comment-reg)
>> -  "Hide block if on block beginning.
>> +  "Hide block if on block beginning, otherwise return nil.
>
> If you describe the return value, please describe it in both cases.
> Alternatively, don't describe the return value in the first line, but
> say what the function _does_ "otherwise", and then describe the return
> value in both cases in the rest of the doc string.

I will fix this later, thanks.

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> From: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 79585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  juri@HIDDEN, michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN
> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 18:51:24 -0600
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> >> Cc: 79585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >> From: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616@HIDDEN>
> >> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 14:13:06 -0600
> >>
> >> +(defcustom hs-hide-block-at-current-line t
> >> +  "If non-nil, the hidding commands will hide any first block in current line."
> >
> > What is "the first block" in this context?  Can the doc string clarify
> > what that means?
> 
> It means that it will hide any first block it founds after the BOL.
> 
> I don't know how to document this, the variable name and docstring were
> temporary until i could think of something better (or discard it).

You mean "the block to which the current line belongs"?

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> You mean "the block to which the current line belongs"?

I think that would make no sense in e.g. Elisp where several blocks can
start in the current line.  Blocks can be nested.


Michael.

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> From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Elijah Gabe P�rez <eg642616@HIDDEN>,
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> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
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> > You mean "the block to which the current line belongs"?
> 
> I think that would make no sense in e.g. Elisp where several blocks can
> start in the current line.  Blocks can be nested.

So "the innermost block to which the current line belongs"?

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> So "the innermost block to which the current line belongs"?

In my understanding we try to describe the outermost block that starts
between line-beginning-position and line-end-position (or maybe point
and line-end-position).  But maybe you are right, I haven't checked.


Michael.

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> You mean "the block to which the current line belongs"?

It's a bit complicated to explain.

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In this case the cursor position on the current line does not matter, it
will attempt to hide the "block" closest to the beginning of the current
line, this makes this command behave "smartly".

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> From: Elijah Gabe P�rez <eg642616@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>,  79585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
>   juri@HIDDEN
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> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> > You mean "the block to which the current line belongs"?
> 
> It's a bit complicated to explain.
> 
> In a "block" like in the image below:
> 
> Executing `hs-hide-block`, should hide the paren pairs in the current
> line, instead of the brakets:
> 
> In this case the cursor position on the current line does not matter, it
> will attempt to hide the "block" closest to the beginning of the current
> line, this makes this command behave "smartly".

Doesn't "the innermost block to which the current line belongs" I
suggested in a later message describe this accurately?  If not, why
not?

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Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN> writes:

> In this case the cursor position on the current line does not matter, it
> will attempt to hide the "block" closest to the beginning of the current
> line [...]

"closest to " or "closest to and beginning after"?


Michael.

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> Doesn't "the innermost block to which the current line belongs" I
> suggested in a later message describe this accurately?  If not, why
> not?

The current line does not belong to the block completely, potentially
only a small part of it.

At least I myself would expect a different behavior than what we have
after reading your text version.


Michael.

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> From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Elijah Gabe P�rez <eg642616@HIDDEN>,
>   79585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
>   juri@HIDDEN
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> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> > Doesn't "the innermost block to which the current line belongs" I
> > suggested in a later message describe this accurately?  If not, why
> > not?
> 
> The current line does not belong to the block completely, potentially
> only a small part of it.
> 
> At least I myself would expect a different behavior than what we have
> after reading your text version.

Let's not over-engineer this, okay?  This is a doc string of a
defcustom, so it should be in terms understandable by users, and
doesn't have to be 1210% rigorous, as long as the intent is clear.

But if you have alternative suggestions, let's hear them.

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> >=20
> > > Doesn't "the innermost block to which the current line belongs" I
> > > suggested in a later message describe this accurately?  If not, why
> > > not?
> >=20
> > The current line does not belong to the block completely, potentially
> > only a small part of it.
> >=20
> > At least I myself would expect a different behavior than what we have
> > after reading your text version.
>
> Let's not over-engineer this, okay?  This is a doc string of a
> defcustom, so it should be in terms understandable by users, and
> doesn't have to be 1210% rigorous, as long as the intent is clear.
>
> But if you have alternative suggestions, let's hear them.

[ I'm sorry but I can only say that I would misunderstand your version.
"Innermost" is surely not correct when there are multiple blocks
starting on the current line.  So your version is not clearer than the
original version was.  If we are over-engineering we have been starting
with your critique of the first version. ]

I have to look at the code to see what it is really doing, then I'll try
to suggest a better wording.


Michael.

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Michael Heerdegen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife
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> Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> In this case the cursor position on the current line does not matter, it
>> will attempt to hide the "block" closest to the beginning of the current
>> line [...]
>
> "closest to " or "closest to and beginning after"?

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Michael Heerdegen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife
of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:

> Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> In this case the cursor position on the current line does not matter, it
>> will attempt to hide the "block" closest to the beginning of the current
>> line [...]
>
> "closest to " or "closest to and beginning after"?

closest to and beginning after

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

>> From: Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>,  79585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
>>   juri@HIDDEN
>> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2025 22:01:15 -0600
>>=20
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>=20
>> > You mean "the block to which the current line belongs"?
>>=20
>> It's a bit complicated to explain.
>>=20
>> In a "block" like in the image below:
>>=20
>> Executing `hs-hide-block`, should hide the paren pairs in the current
>> line, instead of the brakets:
>>=20
>> In this case the cursor position on the current line does not matter, it
>> will attempt to hide the "block" closest to the beginning of the current
>> line, this makes this command behave "smartly".
>
> Doesn't "the innermost block to which the current line belongs" I
> suggested in a later message describe this accurately?

Yes, but it sounds confusing, if there is no other suggestion I will
update the patch with this text for the docstring.

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I've now updated the patch, I've changed the variable name to
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From 2e47b5ff704215fba2606ec97dbeed236aa3d5f6 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: =?UTF-8?q?El=C3=ADas=20Gabriel=20P=C3=A9rez?= <eg642616@HIDDEN>
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 19:20:27 -0600
Subject: [PATCH] hideshow: Add new option for control how the block should be
 hidden.

bug#79585

* doc/emacs/programs.texi (Hideshow):
* etc/NEWS: Document changes.

* lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el (hs-hide-behavior): New user
option.
(hs-life-goes-on): Add 'save-excursion' and 'save-match-data'.
(hs-hide-block): Rework.
---
 doc/emacs/programs.texi    |  7 +++++
 etc/NEWS                   |  7 +++++
 lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el | 54 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------
 3 files changed, 58 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)

diff --git a/doc/emacs/programs.texi b/doc/emacs/programs.texi
index 22968ea878b..f42f40fa28f 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/programs.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/programs.texi
@@ -1734,6 +1734,7 @@ Hideshow
 @vindex hs-indicator-type
 @vindex hs-indicator-maximum-buffer-size
 @vindex hs-isearch-open
+@vindex hs-hide-block-behavior
 @vindex hs-special-modes-alist
   These variables can be used to customize Hideshow mode:
 
@@ -1742,6 +1743,12 @@ Hideshow
 If non-@code{nil}, @kbd{C-c @@ C-M-h} (@code{hs-hide-all}) hides
 comments too.
 
+@item hs-hide-block-behavior
+This variable controls how @code{hs-hide-block} and
+@code{hs-toggle-hiding} should hide a block.  The possible values can be
+'after-bol', hide the innermost block to which the current line belongs;
+or 'after-cursor', hide the block after cursor position.
+
 @item hs-display-lines-hidden
 If non-@code{nil}, display the number of hidden lines next to the
 ellipsis.
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index 32c5ed41d00..765f3b88957 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -1050,6 +1050,13 @@ The new icons 'hs-indicator-show' and 'hs-indicator-hide' can be used
 to customize the indicators appearance only if 'hs-indicator-type' is
 set to 'margin' or nil.
 
++++
+*** New user option 'hs-hide-block-behavior'.
+This user option controls how 'hs-hide-block' and 'hs-toggle-hiding'
+should hide a block.  If set to 'after-bol', hide the innermost block to
+which the current line belongs.  If set to 'after-cursor' hide the block
+after cursor position.  By default this is set to 'after-bol'.
+
 ** C-ts mode
 
 +++
diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
index d01f855a7f8..dd853f9ba6f 100644
--- a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
+++ b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
@@ -253,6 +253,20 @@ hs-hide-comments-when-hiding-all
   "Hide the comments too when you do an `hs-hide-all'."
   :type 'boolean)
 
+(defcustom hs-hide-block-behavior 'after-bol
+  "How hideshow should hide a block.
+If set to `after-bol', hide the innermost block to which the current
+line belongs.
+
+If set to `after-cursor', hide the block after cursor position.
+
+This only have effect in `hs-hide-block' and `hs-toggle-hiding'
+commands."
+  :type '(choice
+          (const :tag "Hide the block after cursor." after-bol)
+          (const :tag "Hide the block after beginning of current line." after-cursor))
+  :version "31.1")
+
 (defcustom hs-display-lines-hidden nil
   "If non-nil, display the number of hidden lines next to the ellipsis."
   :type 'boolean
@@ -884,7 +898,10 @@ hs-hide-block-at-point
 a comment.
 
 The block beginning is adjusted by `hs-adjust-block-beginning'
-and then further adjusted to be at the end of the line."
+and then further adjusted to be at the end of the line.
+
+If hidding the block is successful, return non-nil.
+Otherwise, return nil."
   (if comment-reg
       (hs-hide-comment-region (car comment-reg) (cadr comment-reg) end)
     (when-let* ((block (hs-block-positions)))
@@ -899,7 +916,8 @@ hs-hide-block-at-point
                      (hs-discard-overlays p q)))
               (goto-char q)
               (hs-make-overlay p q 'code (- (match-end 0) p)))
-          (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0)))))))))
+          (goto-char (if end q (min p (match-end 0))))
+          nil)))))
 
 (defun hs-inside-comment-p ()
   "Return non-nil if point is inside a comment, otherwise nil.
@@ -1056,7 +1074,8 @@ hs-life-goes-on
   (declare (debug t))
   `(when hs-minor-mode
      (let ((case-fold-search t))
-       ,@body)))
+       (save-match-data
+         (save-excursion ,@body)))))
 
 (defun hs-find-block-beginning-match ()
   "Reposition point at the end of match of the block-start regexp.
@@ -1176,13 +1195,28 @@ hs-hide-block
      (cond
       ((and c-reg (or (null (nth 0 c-reg))
                       (not (hs-hideable-region-p (car c-reg) (nth 1 c-reg)))))
-       (message "(not enough comment lines to hide)"))
-      ((or c-reg
-	   (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)
-           (funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func))
-       (hs-hide-block-at-point end c-reg)
-       (hs--refresh-indicators)
-       (run-hooks 'hs-hide-hook))))))
+       (user-error "(not enough comment lines to hide)"))
+
+      (c-reg (hs-hide-block-at-point end c-reg))
+
+      ((or (and (eq hs-hide-block-behavior 'after-bol)
+                (save-excursion
+                  (goto-char (line-beginning-position))
+                  (funcall hs-find-next-block-func hs-block-start-regexp
+                           (line-end-position) nil))
+                (goto-char (match-beginning 0)))
+           (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))
+       ;; If hidding the block fails (due the block is not hideable)
+       ;; Then just hide the parent block (if possible)
+       (unless (save-excursion (hs-hide-block-at-point end))
+         (goto-char (1- (point)))
+         (funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func)
+         (hs-hide-block-at-point end)))
+
+      ((funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func)
+       (hs-hide-block-at-point end)))
+
+     (run-hooks 'hs-hide-hook))))
 
 (defun hs-show-block (&optional end)
   "Select a block and show it.
-- 
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>> I've now updated the patch, I've changed the variable name to
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>
> Thanks, pushed now.

I tested before pushing, but only after pushing noticed
that the margin indicators became broken: hiding/showing
a block doesn't rotate the arrow in margin with:

  (setopt hs-show-indicators t)
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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

>>> I've now updated the patch, I've changed the variable name to
>>> 'hs-hide-block-behavior' thus this should make it clearer.
>>
>> Thanks, pushed now.
>
> I tested before pushing, but only after pushing noticed
> that the margin indicators became broken: hiding/showing
> a block doesn't rotate the arrow in margin with:
>
>   (setopt hs-show-indicators t)
>   (setopt hs-indicator-type 'margin)

Ops, i see (accidentally some changes i was doing for another patch got
merged in the sent patch).


I've send a patch in bug#79616, it should fix it + improve the indicator
updating.

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> But if you have alternative suggestions, let's hear them.

First, we have introduced some spelling problems.  As a start - someone
with a better English knowledge might improve this:


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=46rom b3d472b60de11ffac0181675da9667ef6f8b4a45 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 17:42:37 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] ; * lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el: Spelling fixes

=2D--
 lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el | 28 ++++++++++++++--------------
 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)

diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
index bbe42a7de91..1fd7958628a 100644
=2D-- a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
+++ b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
@@ -260,7 +260,7 @@ hs-hide-block-behavior
=20
 If set to `after-cursor', hide the block after cursor position.
=20
-This only have effect in `hs-hide-block' and `hs-toggle-hiding'
+This only has an effect in `hs-hide-block' and `hs-toggle-hiding'
 commands."
   :type '(choice
           (const :tag "Hide the block after cursor" after-bol)
@@ -310,7 +310,7 @@ hs-indicator-type
  - `margin', display the indicators in the margin.
  - nil, display the indicators at end-of-line.
=20
-This only have effect if `hs-show-indicators' is non-nil."
+This only has an effect if `hs-show-indicators' is non-nil."
   :type '(choice
           (const :tag "Fringes" fringe)
           (const :tag "Margins" margin)
@@ -490,11 +490,11 @@ hs-minor-mode-map
   :doc "Keymap for hideshow minor mode."
   "S-<mouse-2>" #'hs-toggle-hiding
   "C-c @" hs-prefix-map
-  "<left-fringe> <mouse-1>" #'hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hidding)
+  "<left-fringe> <mouse-1>" #'hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hiding)
=20
 (defvar-keymap hs-indicators-map
   :doc "Keymap for hideshow indicators."
-  "<left-margin> <mouse-1>" #'hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hidding
+  "<left-margin> <mouse-1>" #'hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hiding
   "<mouse-1>" #'hs-toggle-hiding)
=20
 (easy-menu-define hs-minor-mode-menu hs-minor-mode-map
@@ -592,7 +592,7 @@ hs-find-next-block-func
 It is called with three arguments REGEXP, MAXP, and COMMENTS.
 REGEXP is a regexp representing block start.  When block start is
 found, `match-data' should be set using REGEXP.  MAXP is a buffer
-position that bounds the search.  When COMMENTS is nil, comments
+position that binds the search.  When COMMENTS is nil, comments
 should be skipped.  When COMMENTS is not nil, REGEXP matches not
 only beginning of a block but also beginning of a comment.  In
 this case, the function should find nearest block or comment.
@@ -691,7 +691,7 @@ hs-make-overlay
=20
 (defun hs-block-positions ()
   "Return the current code block positions.
-This return a cons-cell with the current code block beginning and end
+This returns a cons-cell with the current code block beginning and end
 positions.  This does nothing if there is not a code block at current
 point."
   (save-match-data
@@ -775,8 +775,8 @@ hs--add-indicators
                 (_ (save-excursion
                      (goto-char b-beg)
                      (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)))
-                ;; `catch' is used here if the search fail due
-                ;; unbalanced parenthesis or any other unknown error
+                ;; `catch' is used here if the search fails due
+                ;; unbalanced parentheses or any other unknown error
                 ;; caused in `hs-forward-sexp'.
                 (b-end (catch 'hs-indicator-error
                          (save-excursion
@@ -793,7 +793,7 @@ hs--add-indicators
   `(jit-lock-bounds ,beg . ,end))
=20
 (defun hs--refresh-indicators (from to)
-  "Update indicators appearance in FROM and TO."
+  "Update indicator appearance in FROM and TO."
   (when (and hs-show-indicators hs-minor-mode)
     (save-match-data
       (save-excursion
@@ -905,7 +905,7 @@ hs-hide-block-at-point
 The block beginning is adjusted by `hs-adjust-block-beginning'
 and then further adjusted to be at the end of the line.
=20
-If hidding the block is successful, return non-nil.
+If hiding the block is successful, return non-nil.
 Otherwise, return nil."
   (if comment-reg
       (hs-hide-comment-region (car comment-reg) (cadr comment-reg) end)
@@ -1211,8 +1211,8 @@ hs-hide-block
                            (line-end-position) nil))
                 (goto-char (match-beginning 0)))
            (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))
-       ;; If hidding the block fails (due the block is not hideable)
-       ;; Then just hide the parent block (if possible)
+       ;; If hiding the block fails (due the block is not hideable)
+       ;; then just hide the parent block (if possible)
        (unless (save-excursion (hs-hide-block-at-point end))
          (goto-char (1- (point)))
          (funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func)
@@ -1283,8 +1283,8 @@ hs-toggle-hiding
=20
 (define-obsolete-function-alias 'hs-mouse-toggle-hiding #'hs-toggle-hidin=
g "27.1")
=20
-(defun hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hidding (event)
-  "Toggle block hidding with indicators."
+(defun hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hiding (event)
+  "Toggle block hiding with indicators."
   (interactive "e")
   (when hs-show-indicators
     (let* ((overlays (save-excursion
=2D-=20
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And: do we care about the max line width in "hideshow.el"?  Seems quite
a bunch of lines are too long.


Michael.

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> From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
> Cc: eg642616@HIDDEN,  79585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  juri@HIDDEN
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 17:48:40 +0200
> 
> -This only have effect in `hs-hide-block' and `hs-toggle-hiding'
> +This only has an effect in `hs-hide-block' and `hs-toggle-hiding'

"This only has effect" is better, here and elsewhere.

> @@ -592,7 +592,7 @@ hs-find-next-block-func
>  It is called with three arguments REGEXP, MAXP, and COMMENTS.
>  REGEXP is a regexp representing block start.  When block start is
>  found, `match-data' should be set using REGEXP.  MAXP is a buffer
> -position that bounds the search.  When COMMENTS is nil, comments
> +position that binds the search.  When COMMENTS is nil, comments

"position that binds"? binds how?

> And: do we care about the max line width in "hideshow.el"?  Seems quite
> a bunch of lines are too long.

Making them shorter won't do any harm.

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> > @@ -592,7 +592,7 @@ hs-find-next-block-func
> >  It is called with three arguments REGEXP, MAXP, and COMMENTS.
> >  REGEXP is a regexp representing block start.  When block start is
> >  found, `match-data' should be set using REGEXP.  MAXP is a buffer
> > -position that bounds the search.  When COMMENTS is nil, comments
> > +position that binds the search.  When COMMENTS is nil, comments
>
> "position that binds"? binds how?

Eh sorry, no: an boundary is described here, my mistake.  Do you say
"bounds" here, or better "limits"?


> > And: do we care about the max line width in "hideshow.el"?  Seems quite
> > a bunch of lines are too long.
>
> Making them shorter won't do any harm.

Can I merge this into this commit?


Michael.

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> From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
> Cc: eg642616@HIDDEN,  79585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  juri@HIDDEN
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 20:57:15 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> > > @@ -592,7 +592,7 @@ hs-find-next-block-func
> > >  It is called with three arguments REGEXP, MAXP, and COMMENTS.
> > >  REGEXP is a regexp representing block start.  When block start is
> > >  found, `match-data' should be set using REGEXP.  MAXP is a buffer
> > > -position that bounds the search.  When COMMENTS is nil, comments
> > > +position that binds the search.  When COMMENTS is nil, comments
> >
> > "position that binds"? binds how?
> 
> Eh sorry, no: an boundary is described here, my mistake.  Do you say
> "bounds" here, or better "limits"?

I think the latter is more clear.

> > > And: do we care about the max line width in "hideshow.el"?  Seems quite
> > > a bunch of lines are too long.
> >
> > Making them shorter won't do any harm.
> 
> Can I merge this into this commit?

Yes, why not?

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> > Can I merge this into this commit?
>
> Yes, why not?

Ok, here is the updated patch then:


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=46rom 2bbac8f187f4c86e97a58ee5201154ad18be977d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 17:42:37 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] ; * lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el: Spelling fixes

=2D--
 lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el | 44 +++++++++++++++++++++-----------------
 1 file changed, 24 insertions(+), 20 deletions(-)

diff --git a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
index 6158253ee53..e8dd3877fea 100644
=2D-- a/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
+++ b/lisp/progmodes/hideshow.el
@@ -260,11 +260,12 @@ hs-hide-block-behavior
=20
 If set to `after-cursor', hide the block after cursor position.
=20
-This only have effect in `hs-hide-block' and `hs-toggle-hiding'
+This only has effect in `hs-hide-block' and `hs-toggle-hiding'
 commands."
-  :type '(choice
-          (const :tag "Hide the block after cursor" after-bol)
-          (const :tag "Hide the block after beginning of current line" af=
ter-cursor))
+  :type
+  '(choice
+    (const :tag "Hide the block after cursor" after-bol)
+    (const :tag "Hide the block after beginning of current line" after-cu=
rsor))
   :version "31.1")
=20
 (defcustom hs-display-lines-hidden nil
@@ -310,7 +311,7 @@ hs-indicator-type
  - `margin', display the indicators in the margin.
  - nil, display the indicators at end-of-line.
=20
-This only have effect if `hs-show-indicators' is non-nil."
+This only has effect if `hs-show-indicators' is non-nil."
   :type '(choice
           (const :tag "Fringes" fringe)
           (const :tag "Margins" margin)
@@ -490,11 +491,11 @@ hs-minor-mode-map
   :doc "Keymap for hideshow minor mode."
   "S-<mouse-2>" #'hs-toggle-hiding
   "C-c @" hs-prefix-map
-  "<left-fringe> <mouse-1>" #'hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hidding)
+  "<left-fringe> <mouse-1>" #'hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hiding)
=20
 (defvar-keymap hs-indicators-map
   :doc "Keymap for hideshow indicators."
-  "<left-margin> <mouse-1>" #'hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hidding
+  "<left-margin> <mouse-1>" #'hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hiding
   "<mouse-1>" #'hs-toggle-hiding)
=20
 (easy-menu-define hs-minor-mode-menu hs-minor-mode-map
@@ -526,10 +527,12 @@ hs-minor-mode-menu
       :help "Show hidden comment blocks when isearch matches inside them"
       :active t :style radio :selected (eq hs-isearch-open 'comment)]
      ["Code and Comment blocks" (setq hs-isearch-open t)
-      :help "Show both hidden code and comment blocks when isearch matche=
s inside them"
+      :help "\
+Show both hidden code and comment blocks when isearch matches inside them=
"
       :active t :style radio :selected (eq hs-isearch-open t)]
      ["None" (setq hs-isearch-open nil)
-      :help "Do not hidden code or comment blocks when isearch matches in=
side them"
+      :help "\
+Do not show hidden code or comment blocks when isearch matches inside the=
m"
       :active t :style radio :selected (eq hs-isearch-open nil)])))
=20
 (defvar-local hs-c-start-regexp nil
@@ -592,7 +595,7 @@ hs-find-next-block-func
 It is called with three arguments REGEXP, MAXP, and COMMENTS.
 REGEXP is a regexp representing block start.  When block start is
 found, `match-data' should be set using REGEXP.  MAXP is a buffer
-position that bounds the search.  When COMMENTS is nil, comments
+position that limits the search.  When COMMENTS is nil, comments
 should be skipped.  When COMMENTS is not nil, REGEXP matches not
 only beginning of a block but also beginning of a comment.  In
 this case, the function should find nearest block or comment.
@@ -691,7 +694,7 @@ hs-make-overlay
=20
 (defun hs-block-positions ()
   "Return the current code block positions.
-This return a cons-cell with the current code block beginning and end
+This returns a cons-cell with the current code block beginning and end
 positions.  This does nothing if there is not a code block at current
 point."
   (save-match-data
@@ -775,8 +778,8 @@ hs--add-indicators
                 (_ (save-excursion
                      (goto-char b-beg)
                      (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func)))
-                ;; `catch' is used here if the search fail due
-                ;; unbalanced parenthesis or any other unknown error
+                ;; `catch' is used here if the search fails due
+                ;; unbalanced parentheses or any other unknown error
                 ;; caused in `hs-forward-sexp'.
                 (b-end (catch 'hs-indicator-error
                          (save-excursion
@@ -793,7 +796,7 @@ hs--add-indicators
   `(jit-lock-bounds ,beg . ,end))
=20
 (defun hs--refresh-indicators (from to)
-  "Update indicators appearance in FROM and TO."
+  "Update indicator appearance in FROM and TO."
   (when (and hs-show-indicators hs-minor-mode)
     (save-match-data
       (save-excursion
@@ -905,7 +908,7 @@ hs-hide-block-at-point
 The block beginning is adjusted by `hs-adjust-block-beginning'
 and then further adjusted to be at the end of the line.
=20
-If hidding the block is successful, return non-nil.
+If hiding the block is successful, return non-nil.
 Otherwise, return nil."
   (if comment-reg
       (hs-hide-comment-region (car comment-reg) (cadr comment-reg) end)
@@ -1211,8 +1214,8 @@ hs-hide-block
                            (line-end-position) nil))
                 (goto-char (match-beginning 0)))
            (funcall hs-looking-at-block-start-p-func))
-       ;; If hidding the block fails (due the block is not hideable)
-       ;; Then just hide the parent block (if possible)
+       ;; If hiding the block fails (due the block is not hideable)
+       ;; then just hide the parent block (if possible)
        (unless (save-excursion (hs-hide-block-at-point end))
          (goto-char (1- (point)))
          (funcall hs-find-block-beginning-func)
@@ -1284,10 +1287,11 @@ hs-toggle-hiding
        (hs-show-block)
      (hs-hide-block))))
=20
-(define-obsolete-function-alias 'hs-mouse-toggle-hiding #'hs-toggle-hidin=
g "27.1")
+(define-obsolete-function-alias
+  'hs-mouse-toggle-hiding #'hs-toggle-hiding "27.1")
=20
-(defun hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hidding (event)
-  "Toggle block hidding with indicators."
+(defun hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hiding (event)
+  "Toggle block hiding with indicators."
   (interactive "e")
   (when hs-show-indicators
     (let* ((overlays (save-excursion
=2D-=20
2.39.5


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Does it look ok?


Thx,

Michael.

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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:

> > Let's not over-engineer this, okay?  This is a doc string of a
> > defcustom, so it should be in terms understandable by users, and
> > doesn't have to be 1210% rigorous, as long as the intent is clear.
> >
> > But if you have alternative suggestions, let's hear them.

> I have to look at the code to see what it is really doing, then I'll
> try to suggest a better wording.

What I wanted to say to Eli was this:

  "innermost" makes no sense.  What we try to describe has nothing to do
  with wrapping levels, or only indirectly.
 =20
  What was your critique about "first"?  This was actually precise and
  simple IMO.  I can only guess that the implicated order was not clear.
 =20
  If you did not understand, let me elaborate: we speak about the first
  block starting after a certain position (either bol or point), where the
  order is the natural order of the blocks deriving from their starting
  positions.
 =20
  Would "first starting block" be understandable?  Or "block with the
  smallest starting position larger than point/bol"?

@Elijah (mainly):
But then I saw that neither description is fulfilled by the current
implementation.  It is not ensured that was is hidden is a block
following point or bol.  For example, I

  (setq hs-hide-block-behavior 'after-cursor),

which should mean "hide the block after cursor position".  And then
consider this example:

        (let ((mdata (match-data t))
              (header-end (match-end 0))
              block-beg block-end)
             ...)

I put point to somewhere inside "block-beg block-end" on the third line
and say M-x hs-hide-block.  What gets hidden is this:

              (header-end (match-end 0))
              block-beg block-end

which is the rest of a block taken from scanning backwards.

With other words: "after-cursor" is a bad name for what one gets (and
the descriptions in the :tag fields of `hs-hide-block-behavior'
are currently transposed!).  I think we need to rework this a bit.


Michael.

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Michael Heerdegen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife
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> @Elijah (mainly):
> But then I saw that neither description is fulfilled by the current
> implementation.  It is not ensured that was is hidden is a block
> following point or bol.  For example, I
>
>   (setq hs-hide-block-behavior 'after-cursor),
>
> which should mean "hide the block after cursor position".  And then
> consider this example:
>
>         (let ((mdata (match-data t))
>               (header-end (match-end 0))
>               block-beg block-end)
>              ...)
>
> I put point to somewhere inside "block-beg block-end" on the third line
> and say M-x hs-hide-block.  What gets hidden is this:
>
>               (header-end (match-end 0))
>               block-beg block-end
>
> which is the rest of a block taken from scanning backwards.
>
> With other words: "after-cursor" is a bad name for what one gets (and
> the descriptions in the :tag fields of `hs-hide-block-behavior'
> are currently transposed!).  I think we need to rework this a bit.

I agree, I couldn't find a good way to document/name it.

But I'm out of ideas, so I'm not sure what to suggest for this.

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Michael Heerdegen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife
of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:

> @Elijah (mainly):
> But then I saw that neither description is fulfilled by the current
> implementation.  It is not ensured that was is hidden is a block
> following point or bol.  For example, I
>
>   (setq hs-hide-block-behavior 'after-cursor),
>
> which should mean "hide the block after cursor position".  And then
> consider this example:
>
>         (let ((mdata (match-data t))
>               (header-end (match-end 0))
>               block-beg block-end)
>              ...)
>
> I put point to somewhere inside "block-beg block-end" on the third line
> and say M-x hs-hide-block.  What gets hidden is this:
>
>               (header-end (match-end 0))
>               block-beg block-end
>
> which is the rest of a block taken from scanning backwards.
>
> With other words: "after-cursor" is a bad name for what one gets (and
> the descriptions in the :tag fields of `hs-hide-block-behavior'
> are currently transposed!).  I think we need to rework this a bit.

I agree, I couldn't find a good way to document/name it.

But I'm out of ideas, so I'm not sure what to suggest for this.

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>> But then I saw that neither description is fulfilled by the current
>> implementation.  It is not ensured that was is hidden is a block
>> following point or bol.  For example, I
>>
>>   (setq hs-hide-block-behavior 'after-cursor),
>>
>> which should mean "hide the block after cursor position".  And then
>> consider this example:
>>
>>         (let ((mdata (match-data t))
>>               (header-end (match-end 0))
>>               block-beg block-end)
>>              ...)
>>
>> I put point to somewhere inside "block-beg block-end" on the third line
>> and say M-x hs-hide-block.  What gets hidden is this:
>>
>>               (header-end (match-end 0))
>>               block-beg block-end
>>
>> which is the rest of a block taken from scanning backwards.
>>
>> With other words: "after-cursor" is a bad name for what one gets (and
>> the descriptions in the :tag fields of `hs-hide-block-behavior'
>> are currently transposed!).  I think we need to rework this a bit.
>
> I agree, I couldn't find a good way to document/name it.
>
> But I'm out of ideas, so I'm not sure what to suggest for this.

If describing the behavior in the documentation is not sufficient,
and the symbol names should be more precise, then what about
'after-cursor-until-eol-or-parent' or 'after-cursor-same-line-or-parent'?

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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

> > But I'm out of ideas, so I'm not sure what to suggest for this.
>
> If describing the behavior in the documentation is not sufficient,
> and the symbol names should be more precise, then what about
> 'after-cursor-until-eol-or-parent' or 'after-cursor-same-line-or-parent'?

OMG...

Can't we just rename the option to something like
"hs-preferred-hiding-block" and document that if there is no suitable
block then the parent block is used?  Then we could keep the value
names.


Michael.

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> From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
> Cc: eg642616@HIDDEN,  79585 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  juri@HIDDEN
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> Does it look ok?

Yes, it does, thanks.

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Elijah Gabe P=C3=A9rez <eg642616@HIDDEN> writes:

> I agree, I couldn't find a good way to document/name it.
>
> But I'm out of ideas, so I'm not sure what to suggest for this.

We have two different suggestions now.  Which fits better with your
contribution, Elijah?


Michael.

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Michael Heerdegen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife
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Your suggestion seems to me to be the right one.

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Your suggestion seems to me to be the right one.

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> Can't we just rename the option to something like
> "hs-preferred-hiding-block" and document that if there is no suitable
> block then the parent block is used?  Then we could keep the value
> names.

I don't see how 'hs-preferred-hiding-block'
is better than 'hs-hide-block-behavior'.

But I agree that we need to better document
the existing names.

PS: Does you want to push your patch
that you sent 2 weeks ago.

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I noticed that clicking on fringe/margin indicator is still jumpy.
Is it possible to keep point unmoved like outline-minor-mode does?

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 Content preview:  Juri Linkov writes: > I noticed that clicking on fringe/margin
    indicator is still jumpy. > Is it possible to keep point unmoved like outline-minor-mode
    does? Yes, i forgot to enclose `hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hidding` in `hs-life-goes-on`:
    
 
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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:

> I noticed that clicking on fringe/margin indicator is still jumpy.
> Is it possible to keep point unmoved like outline-minor-mode does?

Yes, i forgot to enclose `hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hidding` in
`hs-life-goes-on`:

#+begin_src elisp
(defun hs-indicator-mouse-toggle-hidding (event)
  "Toggle block hidding with indicators."
  (interactive "e")
  (hs-life-goes-on
   (when hs-show-indicators
     (let* ((overlays (save-excursion
                        (goto-char (posn-point (event-end event)))
                        (overlays-in (pos-bol) (pos-eol))))
            (pos (catch 'hs--indicator-ov
                   (dolist (ov overlays)
                     (when-let* ((ov (overlay-get ov 'hs-indicator-block-start)))
                       (throw 'hs--indicator-ov ov))))))
       (when pos
         (goto-char pos)
         (hs-toggle-hiding))))))
#+end_src

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