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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:
> Joel Reicher <joel.reicher@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> But it feels like there should be an easier way of doing
>> this. Something like unsetting HISTFILE immediately before
>> starting the remote shell process (but after everything else
>> that tramp has done, that should still go to .tramp_history)
>>
>> Thoughts/corrections?
>
> Well, the variable shell-history-file-name was introduced by
> bug#71049 in shell-mode. There is already a machinery for
> setting it. Perhaps you can expand this? It looks like the
> proper place.
I'm not sure I've understood your suggestion, but
shell-history-file-name defaults to reading HISTFILE, so I'm not
sure it can be used to set it.
Regards,
- Joel
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I'm forwarding this to the bug tracker because I have the feeling, that
a fix will appear outside Tramp.
=2D------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
From: Joel Reicher <joel.reicher@HIDDEN>
To: tramp-devel@HIDDEN
Subject: Restoring sensible default HISTFILE for shell-mode
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:10:31 +1100
I am not entirely sure yet if the below is a problem with my=20
understanding, with tramp, or with my expectations of tramp, so=20
I'm going to go through every step.
Firstly I am only talking about the default behaviour (no=20
customisation).
Secondly I think the default behaviour is sensible for what I'll=20
call "tramp shells"; i.e. shells that the user does not have the=20
opportunity to interact with, but rather are used by tramp to do=20
tests and start up remote processes. By default the history of=20
these is "diverted" to .tramp_history and IMO that both works fine=20
and is sensible.
However, when the remote process is a shell that is a subprocess=20
of shell-mode/comint, the intention is for the user to now be=20
issuing shell commands, and I do not believe that history should=20
end up in the tramp history. And currently it seems to, due to=20
tramp setting HISTFILE in a parent environment and that being=20
inherited all the way down to a shell that is not in fact used by=20
tramp.
Furthermore I think it makes sense for shell-mode to read the=20
non-tramp history on startup, and also for this non-tramp history=20
to be the same as the shell history used by a shell started=20
outside Emacs, so that everything works together nicely by=20
default.
In the case of the explicit shell being bash, specifically, I am=20
able to get the behaviour that I think makes sense with the=20
following, but it seems like something easier should be possible.
`shell-history-file-name' set to "~/.bash_history"
init_bash.sh containing:
if [ "${INSIDE_EMACS/*tramp*/tramp}" =3D=3D "tramp" ] ; then=20
export HISTFILE=3D~/.bash_history history -cr $HISTFILE=20
fi=20
This causes shell-mode to load its history from the "true=20
interactive" (non-tramp) history, re-initialises the=20
remote-shell-processes history from the same so that builtin=20
history commands and the like work, and also sets the shell to the=20
non-tramp file so that it saves this "human" history separately on=20
exit.
But it feels like there should be an easier way of doing=20
this. Something like unsetting HISTFILE immediately before=20
starting the remote shell process (but after everything else that=20
tramp has done, that should still go to .tramp_history)
Thoughts/corrections?
Thanks and regards,
- Joel
=2D------------------- End of forwarded message --------------------
Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>:joel.reicher@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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