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When evaluating certain commands with default-directory bound to a TRAMP
sudo path it often hangs, blocking the UI, without any perceivable
progress. The only option is to C-g. This is happening on latest master
for me but might have been introduced earlier. Example:

(let ((default-directory "/sudo::/"))
  (shell-command-to-string "whoami"))

It doesn't happen in emacs -Q and I've managed to narrow it down to the
TRAMP cache which is enabled when either init-file-user or site-run-file
are non-nil. Evaluating the following form makes the hang disappear:

(with-eval-after-load 'tramp-cache
  (setq tramp-cache-read-persistent-data nil))

I haven't investigated further as much of the TRAMP code is beyond me.

In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
3.24.48, cairo version 1.18.2)
System Description: NixOS 25.05 (Warbler)

Configured using:
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Tobias Svensson via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Tobias,

> When evaluating certain commands with default-directory bound to a TRAMP
> sudo path it often hangs, blocking the UI, without any perceivable
> progress. The only option is to C-g. This is happening on latest master
> for me but might have been introduced earlier. Example:
>
> (let ((default-directory "/sudo::/"))
>   (shell-command-to-string "whoami"))
>
> It doesn't happen in emacs -Q and I've managed to narrow it down to the
> TRAMP cache which is enabled when either init-file-user or site-run-file
> are non-nil. Evaluating the following form makes the hang disappear:
>
> (with-eval-after-load 'tramp-cache
>   (setq tramp-cache-read-persistent-data nil))
>
> I haven't investigated further as much of the TRAMP code is beyond me.

Could you, pls, run 'M-x tramp-cleanup-all-connections'. anf then tray
it, again?

Best regards, Michael.




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Tobias Svensson via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Tobias,

> When evaluating certain commands with default-directory bound to a TRAMP
> sudo path it often hangs, blocking the UI, without any perceivable
> progress. The only option is to C-g. This is happening on latest master
> for me but might have been introduced earlier. Example:
>
> (let ((default-directory "/sudo::/"))
>   (shell-command-to-string "whoami"))
>
> It doesn't happen in emacs -Q and I've managed to narrow it down to the
> TRAMP cache which is enabled when either init-file-user or site-run-file
> are non-nil. Evaluating the following form makes the hang disappear:
>
> (with-eval-after-load 'tramp-cache
>   (setq tramp-cache-read-persistent-data nil))
>
> I haven't investigated further as much of the TRAMP code is beyond me.

Could you, pls, run 'M-x tramp-cleanup-all-connections'. anf then tray
it, again?

Best regards, Michael.




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Hi Michael,

On Fri, Oct 24 2025, Michael Albinus wrote:

> Could you, pls, run 'M-x tramp-cleanup-all-connections'. anf then tray
> it, again?

IIRC I did try that yesterday. To reconfirm I evaluated the below in
"emacs -Q":

(let ((default-directory "/sudo::/")
      (tramp-cache-read-persistent-data t))
  (shell-command-to-string "whoami"))

It's hanging for me and M-x tramp-cleanup-all-connections does not
appear to make a difference.

Howver, this works fine in "emacs -Q":

(let ((default-directory "/sudo::/")
      (tramp-cache-read-persistent-data nil))
  (shell-command-to-string "whoami"))

I can abort the hanging with C-g, but unfortunately I'm not getting a
backtrace with toggle-debug-on-quit enabled. It does not signal an
error, so enabling toggle-debug-on-error doesn't help here either.

-- 
Tobias Svensson




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From: Tobias Svensson <root@HIDDEN>
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 15:48:08 +0100
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Hi Michael,

On Fri, Oct 24 2025, Michael Albinus wrote:

> Could you, pls, run 'M-x tramp-cleanup-all-connections'. anf then tray
> it, again?

IIRC I did try that yesterday. To reconfirm I evaluated the below in
"emacs -Q":

(let ((default-directory "/sudo::/")
      (tramp-cache-read-persistent-data t))
  (shell-command-to-string "whoami"))

It's hanging for me and M-x tramp-cleanup-all-connections does not
appear to make a difference.

Howver, this works fine in "emacs -Q":

(let ((default-directory "/sudo::/")
      (tramp-cache-read-persistent-data nil))
  (shell-command-to-string "whoami"))

I can abort the hanging with C-g, but unfortunately I'm not getting a
backtrace with toggle-debug-on-quit enabled. It does not signal an
error, so enabling toggle-debug-on-error doesn't help here either.

-- 
Tobias Svensson





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