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X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> writes: > Hello, Hi Sean, >> +headings, which are upper headings of entry headings, are not full > > "which are the upper headings of" is hard to understand. > > I would suggest "section headings, which are one level up from entry > headings, ..." Thanks, applied. Let's wait for another couple of days. If there are no further comments, I'll push it. Does this change deserves an entry in etc/NEWS? Best regards, Michael.
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Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hello,
Hi Sean,
>> --- a/CONTRIBUTE
>> +++ b/CONTRIBUTE
>> @@ -142,7 +142,8 @@ the convention of leaving 2 spaces between sentences.
>>
>> For more specific tips on Emacs's doc style, see
>> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Documentation-Tips.html
>> -Use 'checkdoc' to check for documentation errors before submitting a patch.
>> +or see the file admin/notes/documentation. Use 'checkdoc' to check for
>
> s/or/and/ I think.
Fixed.
>> +
>> +** etc/NEWS style rules
>> +
>> +Any change that matters to end-users should have an entry in etc/NEWS.
>
> This might be a bit strong. I suggest s/Any change that matters/Most
> changes that could matter/. Also, "end users" should not be hyphenated.
As said the other message, this is taken from CONTRIBUTE. So I keep it
unless we agree for a general change.
>> +*** Each NEWS entry starts with a sentence that summarizes the entry.
>> +It takes just one line, and will finish with a period. Upper headings
>> +do not contain a sentence, but the name of the related feature without
>> +the trailing period. Do not use a Lisp symbol for the feature name, for
>> +example say Random mode instead of 'random-mode'.
>
> This is a bit difficult to understand. How about
>
> First- and second-level headings are not full sentences. First-level
> headings are broad categories and second-level headings are the names
> of Emacs features. Don't use Lisp symbols for second-level headings.
> E.g. "Random mode" not "'random-mode'". Third-level headings are the
> entries for your changes. The heading itself should each be a single
> sentence, ending with a period, summarizing the entry.
As Eli has shown, there is no strict second-level third-level
semantic. So I have used the phrasing "section heading" and "entry
heading", as proposed by him.
>> +*** All new, changed or obsoleted user options and commands are documented.
>> +Document the default value or the argument list, respectively.
>> +
>> +If a user option or command is obsoleted, it shall be documented how to
>> +keep the previous behavior.
>
> s/it shall be documented/document/ and similar changes throughout.
>
> Using the imperative is more natural and clearer.
Done.
>> +This results in clickable Lisp symbols, when the NEWS file is visited
>
> s/,//
Done.
Best regards, Michael.
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diff --git a/CONTRIBUTE b/CONTRIBUTE
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+++ b/CONTRIBUTE
@@ -142,7 +142,8 @@ the convention of leaving 2 spaces between sentences.
=20
For more specific tips on Emacs's doc style, see
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Documentation-T=
ips.html
-Use 'checkdoc' to check for documentation errors before submitting a patc=
h.
+and see the file admin/notes/documentation. Use 'checkdoc' to check for
+documentation errors before submitting a patch.
=20
** Testing your changes
=20
diff --git a/admin/notes/documentation b/admin/notes/documentation
index 22bacb48b68..0ef3ca973ab 100644
=2D-- a/admin/notes/documentation
+++ b/admin/notes/documentation
@@ -113,5 +113,54 @@ is where a feature works _differently_ in the previou=
s version.
In those cases, the user might have trouble figuring out how to use
the old version without some sort of help.
=20
+
** To indicate possession, write Emacs's rather than Emacs'.
https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2012-02/msg00649.html
+
+
+** etc/NEWS style rules
+
+Any change that matters to end-users should have an entry in etc/NEWS.
+This is not intended as reference of design decisions or interfaces.
+
+*** Each NEWS entry starts with a heading that summarizes the entry.
+It takes just one line, and will finish with a period. Section
+headings, which are upper headings of entry headings, are not full
+sentences. First-level headings are broad categories, and the other
+section headings are the names of Emacs features. Don't use Lisp
+symbols for section headings. E.g. "Random mode" not "'random-mode'".
+
+*** All new, changed or obsoleted user options and commands are documente=
d.
+Document the default value or the argument list, respectively.
+
+If a user option or command is obsoleted or changes the default value /
+argument list, document how to keep the previous behavior.
+
+Document further new, changed or obsoleted variables and functions, if
+they are relevant for package authors.
+
+*** Lisp symbols, Lisp forms and and key sequences are quoted 'like-this'=
.
+This results in clickable Lisp symbols when the NEWS file is visited via
+'view-emacs-news' ('C-h n'). Also single key names or keywords must
+follow this rule, like 'TAB' or ':type'. Exception: the symbols t and
+nil are not quoted.
+
+Arguments of a function are written in capital letters LIKE-THIS, and the=
y
+are not quoted.
+
+If Lisp forms are written in a line of its own, they are not quoted.
+Separate these lines from the previous and following text by an empty
+line. Indent them with a width of 4 spaces.
+
+*** File names, buffer names, process names are strings.
+Quote them with quotation marks "like this". Exception: Lisp file names
+like subr.el, which are not quoted.
+
+*** External program names are quoted with quotation marks like "this".
+
+*** Manuals (Info pages) are referenced like "(elisp) Documentation Tips"=
.
+
+*** Prior pushing your changes, check the result.
+Call 'emacs-news-view-mode'. Lisp symbols and Info manual links shall
+be decorated, and clicking on them shall lead to the respective Help
+buffer or Info node.
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<at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> writes: > Hello, Hi, >>> > +Any change that matters to end-users should have an entry in etc/NEWS. >>> >>> This might be a bit strong. >> >> Not necessarily: "matters to end-users" is a judgment call. > > Okay. But "could matter to end users" seems better to capture that it's > a judgement call. FTR, I've stolen the sentence from CONTRIBUTE :-) I guess we can keep it (or we change both places simultaneously). Best regards, Michael.
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They are not complete I guess, > but a beginning. OTOH, we shouldn't mandate too much; this could be a > burden to write a NEWS entry. Thank you for working on this. > Comments welcome! > > Best regards, Michael. > > diff --git a/CONTRIBUTE b/CONTRIBUTE > index be10dbda8b3..ca61d28dfec 100644 > --- a/CONTRIBUTE > +++ b/CONTRIBUTE > @@ -142,7 +142,8 @@ the convention of leaving 2 spaces between sentences. > > For more specific tips on Emacs's doc style, see > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Documentation-Tips.html > -Use 'checkdoc' to check for documentation errors before submitting a patch. > +or see the file admin/notes/documentation. Use 'checkdoc' to check for s/or/and/ I think. > + > +** etc/NEWS style rules > + > +Any change that matters to end-users should have an entry in etc/NEWS. This might be a bit strong. I suggest s/Any change that matters/Most changes that could matter/. Also, "end users" should not be hyphenated. > +*** Each NEWS entry starts with a sentence that summarizes the entry. > +It takes just one line, and will finish with a period. Upper headings > +do not contain a sentence, but the name of the related feature without > +the trailing period. Do not use a Lisp symbol for the feature name, for > +example say Random mode instead of 'random-mode'. This is a bit difficult to understand. How about First- and second-level headings are not full sentences. First-level headings are broad categories and second-level headings are the names of Emacs features. Don't use Lisp symbols for second-level headings. E.g. "Random mode" not "'random-mode'". Third-level headings are the entries for your changes. The heading itself should each be a single sentence, ending with a period, summarizing the entry. > +*** All new, changed or obsoleted user options and commands are documented. > +Document the default value or the argument list, respectively. > + > +If a user option or command is obsoleted, it shall be documented how to > +keep the previous behavior. s/it shall be documented/document/ and similar changes throughout. Using the imperative is more natural and clearer. > +This results in clickable Lisp symbols, when the NEWS file is visited s/,// -- Sean Whitton
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Hi,
I have collected some basic rules for writing etc/NEWS entries, which
have been collected over the last years. They are not complete I guess,
but a beginning. OTOH, we shouldn't mandate too much; this could be a
burden to write a NEWS entry.
Comments welcome!
Best regards, Michael.
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diff --git a/CONTRIBUTE b/CONTRIBUTE
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+++ b/CONTRIBUTE
@@ -142,7 +142,8 @@ the convention of leaving 2 spaces between sentences.
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For more specific tips on Emacs's doc style, see
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Documentation-T=
ips.html
-Use 'checkdoc' to check for documentation errors before submitting a patc=
h.
+or see the file admin/notes/documentation. Use 'checkdoc' to check for
+documentation errors before submitting a patch.
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** Testing your changes
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diff --git a/admin/notes/documentation b/admin/notes/documentation
index 22bacb48b68..4eb72b774d1 100644
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@@ -113,5 +113,52 @@ is where a feature works _differently_ in the previou=
s version.
In those cases, the user might have trouble figuring out how to use
the old version without some sort of help.
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+
** To indicate possession, write Emacs's rather than Emacs'.
https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2012-02/msg00649.html
+
+
+** etc/NEWS style rules
+
+Any change that matters to end-users should have an entry in etc/NEWS.
+
+*** Each NEWS entry starts with a sentence that summarizes the entry.
+It takes just one line, and will finish with a period. Upper headings
+do not contain a sentence, but the name of the related feature without
+the trailing period. Do not use a Lisp symbol for the feature name, for
+example say Random mode instead of 'random-mode'.
+
+*** All new, changed or obsoleted user options and commands are documente=
d.
+Document the default value or the argument list, respectively.
+
+If a user option or command is obsoleted, it shall be documented how to
+keep the previous behavior.
+
+Further new, changed or obsoleted variables and functions shall be
+documented, if they are relevant for package authors.
+
+*** Lisp symbols, Lisp forms and and key sequences are quoted 'like-this'=
.
+This results in clickable Lisp symbols, when the NEWS file is visited
+via 'view-emacs-news' ('C-h n'). Also single key names or keywords must
+follow this rule, like 'TAB' or ':type'. Exception: the symbols t and
+nil are not quoted.
+
+Arguments of a function are written in capital letters LIKE-THIS, and the=
y
+are not quoted.
+
+If Lisp forms which are written in a line of its own, they are not
+quoted. These lines shall be separated from the previous text by an
+empty line, and they are intented with a width of 4 spaces.
+
+*** File names, buffer names, process names are strings.
+Quote them with quotation marks "like this". Exception: Lisp file names
+like subr.el, which are not quoted.
+
+*** External program names are quoted with quotation marks "firefox".
+
+*** Manuals (Info pages) are referenced like "(elisp) Documentation Tips"=
.
+
+*** Prior pushing your changes, check the result.
+Call 'emacs-news-view-mode'. Lisp symbols and Info manual links shall
+be decorated, and clicking on them shall lead to the respective help
+buffer or Info manual node.
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telepathy-autoloads totp-autoloads transient-autoloads
cond-let-autoloads treemacs-autoloads cfrs-autoloads posframe-autoloads
ht-autoloads pfuture-autoloads ace-window-autoloads avy-autoloads
uuid-autoloads vdiff-autoloads hydra-autoloads lv-autoloads
verilog-mode-autoloads virtualenv-autoloads virtualenvwrapper-autoloads
s-autoloads dash-autoloads web-server-autoloads wfnames-autoloads info
with-editor-autoloads yaml-autoloads yaml-mode-autoloads package
browse-url xdg url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods
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url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs icons
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url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib rmc iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren
electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel
term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd touch-screen tool-bar dnd fontset
image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode
lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch
easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax
font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic
indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese
tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek
romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook
jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs
theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties
overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap
hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2
dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo gtk
x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process
tty-child-frames native-compile emacs)
Memory information:
((conses 16 1005301 457981)
(symbols 48 58244 6)
(strings 32 259023 24813)
(string-bytes 1 9086233)
(vectors 16 98146)
(vector-slots 8 2111070 186269)
(floats 8 682 21350)
(intervals 56 102403 1732)
(buffers 1064 71))
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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#79851; Package emacs.
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1997 nCipher Corporation Ltd,
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