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 In GNU Emacs 30.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.50,
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Currently, the undo command always restores the point (cursor)
 position to the undo state. However, 99% of the time, I only want to
 undo the buffer content, preserving the current point
 position=E2=80=94similar to how (save-excursion ...) works. There should be
 an option to just use save-excursion with undo.

 A t the moment, I'm forced to use advice to achieve this. Please consider =
wrapping undo with (save-excursion ...) or providing a customization option=
 to disable automatic point jumping.=20=20

This situation is ridiculous.

This is rediculous.
--=20
Best regards,
Vitaliy Chepelev
Python Middle Data Scientist
Telegram: @un_doing, WhatsApp: +79779512423
PGP pub key: 7850B0B5E3F536601D2E6A9DE1C43E074A047699

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Subject: bug#79888: Acknowledgement ([FEATURE] 30.2; Undo - no option to
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CLOSED

I mistakened, this is not frequent, but rare case when I do undo at Org
 block and I need to preserve pointer position.

For such case I will create my/undo with check that I am in block and
 execute undo with (save-excursion or without it.

CLOSED
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VC <vitalij@HIDDEN> writes:

>  In GNU Emacs 30.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.50,
>=20=20
>  Configured using:
>  'configure --prefix=3D/usr --build=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu
>  --host=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu --mandir=3D/usr/share/man
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>
> Currently, the undo command always restores the point (cursor)
>  position to the undo state. However, 99% of the time, I only want to
>  undo the buffer content, preserving the current point
>  position=E2=80=94similar to how (save-excursion ...) works. There should=
 be
>  an option to just use save-excursion with undo.
>
>  A t the moment, I'm forced to use advice to achieve this. Please conside=
r wrapping undo with (save-excursion ...) or providing a customization opti=
on to disable automatic point jumping.=20=20
>
> This situation is ridiculous.
>
> This is rediculous.
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> Best regards,
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 In GNU Emacs 30.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.50,
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 Configured using:
 'configure --prefix=3D/usr --build=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu
 --host=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu --mandir=3D/usr/share/man
 --infodir=3D/usr/share/info --datadir=3D/usr/share --sysconfdir=3D/etc
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 --disable-silent-rules --docdir=3D/usr/share/doc/emacs-30.2
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Currently, the undo command always restores the point (cursor)
 position to the undo state. However, 99% of the time, I only want to
 undo the buffer content, preserving the current point
 position=E2=80=94similar to how (save-excursion ...) works. There should be
 an option to just use save-excursion with undo.

 A t the moment, I'm forced to use advice to achieve this. Please consider =
wrapping undo with (save-excursion ...) or providing a customization option=
 to disable automatic point jumping.=20=20

This situation is ridiculous.

This is rediculous.
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Best regards,
Vitaliy Chepelev
Python Middle Data Scientist
Telegram: @un_doing, WhatsApp: +79779512423
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> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2025 23:11:31 -0000
> From:  VC via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>
> 
> CLOSED
> 
> I mistakened, this is not frequent, but rare case when I do undo at Org
>  block and I need to preserve pointer position.
> 
> For such case I will create my/undo with check that I am in block and
>  execute undo with (save-excursion or without it.
> 
> CLOSED

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Your bug report

#79888: [FEATURE] 30.2; Undo - no option to just preserve position.

which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed.

The explanation is attached below, along with your original report.
If you require more details, please reply to 79888 <at> debbugs.gnu.org.

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> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2025 23:11:31 -0000
> From:  VC via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>
> 
> CLOSED
> 
> I mistakened, this is not frequent, but rare case when I do undo at Org
>  block and I need to preserve pointer position.
> 
> For such case I will create my/undo with check that I am in block and
>  execute undo with (save-excursion or without it.
> 
> CLOSED

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 In GNU Emacs 30.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.50,
=20
 Configured using:
 'configure --prefix=3D/usr --build=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu
 --host=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu --mandir=3D/usr/share/man
 --infodir=3D/usr/share/info --datadir=3D/usr/share --sysconfdir=3D/etc
 --localstatedir=3D/var/lib --datarootdir=3D/usr/share
 --disable-silent-rules --docdir=3D/usr/share/doc/emacs-30.2
 --htmldir=3D/usr/share/doc/emacs-30.2/html --libdir=3D/usr/lib64
 --program-suffix=3D-emacs-30 --includedir=3D/usr/include/emacs-30
 --infodir=3D/usr/share/info/emacs-30 --localstatedir=3D/var
 --enable-locallisppath=3D/etc/emacs:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
 --without-compress-install --without-hesiod --without-pop
 --with-file-notification=3Dinotify --with-pdumper --enable-acl
 --enable-xattr --without-dbus --without-modules --without-gameuser
 --with-libgmp --without-gpm --without-native-compilation
 --without-kerberos --without-kerberos5 --without-lcms2 --with-xml2
 --without-mailutils --without-selinux --without-sqlite3 --with-gnutls
 --without-libsystemd --with-threads --without-tree-sitter
 --without-wide-int --with-sound=3Dalsa --with-zlib --with-pgtk
 --without-x --without-ns --with-toolkit-scroll-bars --without-gconf
 --without-xwidgets --without-gsettings --without-harfbuzz
 --without-libotf --without-m17n-flt --with-gif --with-jpeg --with-png
 --with-rsvg --without-tiff --with-webp --without-imagemagick
 --with-dumping=3Dpdumper 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -march=3Dznver2 -pipe -fno-fast-math
 -ffp-contract=3Doff' 'CPPFLAGS=3D -DUSE_VALGRIND=3Dno' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-O1
 -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,pack-relative-relocs''

Message-ID: <874iqjskir.fsf@HIDDEN>
X-Debbugs-Cc:=20

 Configured features:
 ACL CAIRO FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS JPEG LIBXML2 NOTIFY INOTIFY
 PDUMPER PGTK PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP
 XIM GTK3 ZLIB

Currently, the undo command always restores the point (cursor)
 position to the undo state. However, 99% of the time, I only want to
 undo the buffer content, preserving the current point
 position=E2=80=94similar to how (save-excursion ...) works. There should be
 an option to just use save-excursion with undo.

 A t the moment, I'm forced to use advice to achieve this. Please consider =
wrapping undo with (save-excursion ...) or providing a customization option=
 to disable automatic point jumping.=20=20

This situation is ridiculous.

This is rediculous.
--=20
Best regards,
Vitaliy Chepelev
Python Middle Data Scientist
Telegram: @un_doing, WhatsApp: +79779512423
PGP pub key: 7850B0B5E3F536601D2E6A9DE1C43E074A047699



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