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31.0.50; Emphasize that file names in `trusted-content' must be abbreviated

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From: Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 31.0.50;
 Emphasize that file names in `trusted-content' must be abbreviated
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2025 03:15:23 -0500

Hello,

I had been customizing `trusted-content' and was perplexed at why the
directories I instructed it to trust were not being trusted. I looked
into the definition of `trusted-content-p' and realized that the file
names in `trusted-content' must be abbreviated.

I took a look at the docstring of `trusted-content' again and only
reading carefully did I notice the instruction to "Use abbreviated file
names":
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Each element of the list should be a string:
- If it ends in "/", it is considered as a directory name and means that
  Emacs should trust all the files whose name has this directory as a prefix.
- Otherwise, it is considered a file name.
Use abbreviated file names.  For example, an entry "~/mycode/" means
that Emacs will trust all the files in your directory "mycode".
This variable can also be set to ‘:all’, in which case Emacs will trust
all files, which opens a gaping security hole.  Emacs Lisp authors
should note that this value must never be set by a major or minor mode.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

In the current docstring, the remark is easy to miss. Additionally,
given that the list above it describes the accepted format of the items
in this list, I didn't expect a requirement not to be present in this
list.

Can we reword or rearrange the docstring such that that remark becomes
more obvious? I suggest that the sentence "Use abbreviated file names"
be inserted as the first item in the list above it.

I think this is especially important since more users will begin
customizing `trusted-content' because of the recent addition of
`elisp-fontify-semantically'.


In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
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-- 
Kind regards,
Kristoffer

Message #8 received at 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
To: Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#79939: 31.0.50; Emphasize that file names in
 `trusted-content' must be abbreviated
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2025 12:44:08 +0000

Hello,

On Wed 03 Dec 2025 at 03:15am -05, Kristoffer Balintona wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I had been customizing `trusted-content' and was perplexed at why the
> directories I instructed it to trust were not being trusted. I looked
> into the definition of `trusted-content-p' and realized that the file
> names in `trusted-content' must be abbreviated.
>
> I took a look at the docstring of `trusted-content' again and only
> reading carefully did I notice the instruction to "Use abbreviated file
> names":
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> Each element of the list should be a string:
> - If it ends in "/", it is considered as a directory name and means that
>   Emacs should trust all the files whose name has this directory as a prefix.
> - Otherwise, it is considered a file name.
> Use abbreviated file names.  For example, an entry "~/mycode/" means
> that Emacs will trust all the files in your directory "mycode".
> This variable can also be set to ‘:all’, in which case Emacs will trust
> all files, which opens a gaping security hole.  Emacs Lisp authors
> should note that this value must never be set by a major or minor mode.
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> In the current docstring, the remark is easy to miss. Additionally,
> given that the list above it describes the accepted format of the items
> in this list, I didn't expect a requirement not to be present in this
> list.
>
> Can we reword or rearrange the docstring such that that remark becomes
> more obvious? I suggest that the sentence "Use abbreviated file names"
> be inserted as the first item in the list above it.
>
> I think this is especially important since more users will begin
> customizing `trusted-content' because of the recent addition of
> `elisp-fontify-semantically'.

Hmm, might the docstring be more trying to recommend the use of
abbreviated file names, because in most cases they will be the most
sensible choice?

In which case, maybe we should change the code to support both, and
reword it explicitly *recommend* the use of abbreviated file names where
they will work?

-- 
Sean Whitton

Message #11 received at 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> potorti.it>
To: Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#79939: 31.0.50;
 Emphasize that file names in `trusted-content' must be abbreviated
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2025 15:18:49 +0100

Kristoffer Balintona:
>I had been customizing `trusted-content' and was perplexed at why the
>directories I instructed it to trust were not being trusted.

Never trid with directories, but I was about to signal a bug myself, as for me it does not work with files.  This is my setting:

(setopt trusted-content '("~/bib/pot.bib" "~/crontab" "~/.procmailrc"))

However, I see no effect.  In fact, I keep being asked confirmation when desktop-read finds those files, same if I call find-file manually on them.

>							      I looked
>into the definition of `trusted-content-p' and realized that the file
>names in `trusted-content' must be abbreviated.

What is the meaning of "abbreviated"?  I find a reference to abbreviate-file-name in the elisp manual, but the names in my list are in fact already abbreviated in the sense of the abbreviate-file-name function.

Message #14 received at 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
To: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> potorti.it>
Cc: 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#79939: 31.0.50; Emphasize that file names in
 `trusted-content' must be abbreviated
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2025 15:41:42 +0000

Hello,

On Wed 03 Dec 2025 at 03:18pm +01, Francesco Potortì wrote:

> Kristoffer Balintona:
>>I had been customizing `trusted-content' and was perplexed at why the
>>directories I instructed it to trust were not being trusted.
>
> Never trid with directories, but I was about to signal a bug myself, as for me
> it does not work with files.  This is my setting:
>
> (setopt trusted-content '("~/bib/pot.bib" "~/crontab" "~/.procmailrc"))
>
> However, I see no effect.  In fact, I keep being asked confirmation when
> desktop-read finds those files, same if I call find-file manually on them.

That sounds like a bug, or possibly you are not setting the value early
enough.

>>							      I looked
>>into the definition of `trusted-content-p' and realized that the file
>>names in `trusted-content' must be abbreviated.
>
> What is the meaning of "abbreviated"?  I find a reference to
> abbreviate-file-name in the elisp manual, but the names in my list are in fact
> already abbreviated in the sense of the abbreviate-file-name function.

It means abbreviated with abbreviate-file-name indeed.

-- 
Sean Whitton

Message #17 received at 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> potorti.it>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Cc: 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#79939: 31.0.50; Emphasize that file names in
 `trusted-content' must be abbreviated
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2025 17:27:36 +0100

Kristoffer Balintona:
>>>I had been customizing `trusted-content' and was perplexed at why the
>>>directories I instructed it to trust were not being trusted.

Francesco Potortì:
>> it does not work with files.  This is my setting:
>>
>> (setopt trusted-content '("~/bib/pot.bib" "~/crontab" "~/.procmailrc"))
>>
>> However, I see no effect.  In fact, I keep being asked confirmation when
>> desktop-read finds those files, same if I call find-file manually on them.

>That sounds like a bug, or possibly you are not setting the value early
>enough.

It also happens after Emacs has started, when I call find-file manually on one of those files.

Does your problem only happens with directories?

If yes, then the one I observe with files may be a separate bug, and I could investigate it and make  aseparate bug report.

>>>							      I looked
>>>into the definition of `trusted-content-p' and realized that the file
>>>names in `trusted-content' must be abbreviated.
>>
>> What is the meaning of "abbreviated"?  I find a reference to
>> abbreviate-file-name in the elisp manual, but the names in my list are in fact
>> already abbreviated in the sense of the abbreviate-file-name function.
>
>It means abbreviated with abbreviate-file-name indeed.

Ok, so I'd suggest that to be made clear in the help message.  Help messages are meant to be read by users, not developers, so the reference to abbreviate-file-name is not so obvious in that context.

Message #20 received at 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Cc: 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#79939: 31.0.50; Emphasize that file names in
 `trusted-content' must be abbreviated
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2025 14:36:06 -0500

On Wed, Dec 03 2025, Sean Whitton wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On Wed 03 Dec 2025 at 03:15am -05, Kristoffer Balintona wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I had been customizing `trusted-content' and was perplexed at why the
>> directories I instructed it to trust were not being trusted. I looked
>> into the definition of `trusted-content-p' and realized that the file
>> names in `trusted-content' must be abbreviated.
>>
>> I took a look at the docstring of `trusted-content' again and only
>> reading carefully did I notice the instruction to "Use abbreviated file
>> names":
>>
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> Each element of the list should be a string:
>> - If it ends in "/", it is considered as a directory name and means that
>>   Emacs should trust all the files whose name has this directory as a prefix.
>> - Otherwise, it is considered a file name.
>> Use abbreviated file names.  For example, an entry "~/mycode/" means
>> that Emacs will trust all the files in your directory "mycode".
>> This variable can also be set to ‘:all’, in which case Emacs will trust
>> all files, which opens a gaping security hole.  Emacs Lisp authors
>> should note that this value must never be set by a major or minor mode.
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>>
>> In the current docstring, the remark is easy to miss. Additionally,
>> given that the list above it describes the accepted format of the items
>> in this list, I didn't expect a requirement not to be present in this
>> list.
>>
>> Can we reword or rearrange the docstring such that that remark becomes
>> more obvious? I suggest that the sentence "Use abbreviated file names"
>> be inserted as the first item in the list above it.
>>
>> I think this is especially important since more users will begin
>> customizing `trusted-content' because of the recent addition of
>> `elisp-fontify-semantically'.
>
> Hmm, might the docstring be more trying to recommend the use of
> abbreviated file names, because in most cases they will be the most
> sensible choice?

At one point I also thought it was a recommendation based on the order
of the sentences, but "Use abbreviated file names" is phrased as an
explicit condition, and `trusted-content-p' does indeed compare
abbreviated file names.

> In which case, maybe we should change the code to support both, and
> reword it explicitly *recommend* the use of abbreviated file names where
> they will work?

That could work too, if possible. I had just assumed that I was just
missing some technical reason that abbreviated file names were being
used in `trusted-content-p'. But if there isn't, then there wouldn't be
a reason to change the code to support both abbreviate and
non-abbreviated file names.

-- 
Kind regards,
Kristoffer

Message #23 received at 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
To: Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>, Stefan Monnier
 <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#79939: 31.0.50; Emphasize that file names in
 `trusted-content' must be abbreviated
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2025 10:31:00 +0000

Hello,

On Wed 03 Dec 2025 at 02:36pm -05, Kristoffer Balintona wrote:

>> In which case, maybe we should change the code to support both, and
>> reword it explicitly *recommend* the use of abbreviated file names where
>> they will work?
>
> That could work too, if possible. I had just assumed that I was just
> missing some technical reason that abbreviated file names were being
> used in `trusted-content-p'. But if there isn't, then there wouldn't be
> a reason to change the code to support both abbreviate and
> non-abbreviated file names.

You mean that there wouldn't be a reason *not* to change the code,
right?

Adding Stefan, who developed the trusted-content mechanism, to see if he
knows anything that would block us here.

-- 
Sean Whitton

Message #26 received at 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Cc: 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#79939: 31.0.50; Emphasize that file names in
 `trusted-content' must be abbreviated
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2025 07:37:08 -0500

> Hmm, might the docstring be more trying to recommend the use of
> abbreviated file names, because in most cases they will be the most
> sensible choice?

No, file names are passed through `abbreviate-file-name` before looking
them up, so non-abbreviated file names just won't be found.

> In which case, maybe we should change the code to support both, and
> reword it explicitly *recommend* the use of abbreviated file names where
> they will work?

There isn't a deep technical reason, IIRC, but I see no benefit to
trying both.  It's just as easy for users to use abbreviated file names
in that var.


        Stefan

Message #29 received at 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#79939: 31.0.50; Emphasize that file names in
 `trusted-content' must be abbreviated
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2025 14:58:24 +0000

Hello,

On Thu 04 Dec 2025 at 07:37am -05, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> Hmm, might the docstring be more trying to recommend the use of
>> abbreviated file names, because in most cases they will be the most
>> sensible choice?
>
> No, file names are passed through `abbreviate-file-name` before looking
> them up, so non-abbreviated file names just won't be found.
>
>> In which case, maybe we should change the code to support both, and
>> reword it explicitly *recommend* the use of abbreviated file names where
>> they will work?
>
> There isn't a deep technical reason, IIRC, but I see no benefit to
> trying both.  It's just as easy for users to use abbreviated file names
> in that var.

Thanks.  In most of the rest of Emacs we accept expanded or unexpanded
file names, so I think doing so here too would be more user friendly.

-- 
Sean Whitton

Message #32 received at 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Cc: 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca, krisbalintona <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#79939: 31.0.50;
 Emphasize that file names in `trusted-content' must be abbreviated
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2025 17:42:00 +0200

> Cc: 79939 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
> From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2025 14:58:24 +0000
> 
> Hello,
> 
> On Thu 04 Dec 2025 at 07:37am -05, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> 
> >> Hmm, might the docstring be more trying to recommend the use of
> >> abbreviated file names, because in most cases they will be the most
> >> sensible choice?
> >
> > No, file names are passed through `abbreviate-file-name` before looking
> > them up, so non-abbreviated file names just won't be found.
> >
> >> In which case, maybe we should change the code to support both, and
> >> reword it explicitly *recommend* the use of abbreviated file names where
> >> they will work?
> >
> > There isn't a deep technical reason, IIRC, but I see no benefit to
> > trying both.  It's just as easy for users to use abbreviated file names
> > in that var.
> 
> Thanks.  In most of the rest of Emacs we accept expanded or unexpanded
> file names, so I think doing so here too would be more user friendly.

There be dragons!  File names under the home directory are usually
abbreviated in Emacs (which I think was the original reason this was
implemented like that).  If you move away of that, user's
customizations will certainly break!

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