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the new TTY child frame support is fantastic.
However, I have encountered an issue that winner-mode interferes with the
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Hello,
In Emacs 31, the new TTY child frame support is fantastic. However, I
have encountered an issue that winner-mode interferes with the
visibility of TTY child frames. Specifically, when winner-mode is
enabled, make-frame-invisible fails to hide a child frame visually.
Steps to reproduce:
1. Start Emacs 31 in a terminal: emacs -nw -Q
2. Turn on winner-mode by executing M-x winner-mode
3. Copy the following code to the *scratch* buffer:
(let ((child-frame
(make-frame
`((parent-frame . ,(selected-frame))
(width . 40)
(height . 10)
(top . 10)
(left . 10)
(minibuffer . nil)))))
(with-selected-frame child-frame
(switch-to-buffer "*TTY Child Frame*")
(setq mode-line-format nil)
(erase-buffer)
(insert "This is a child frame."))
(run-with-timer 2 nil
(lambda (f)
(make-frame-invisible f)
(message "Child frame is now invisible."))
child-frame))
When executing the code multiple times, the child frame hides correctly
on the first attempt, but fails to hide on subsequent attempts.
I found that reversing steps 2 and 3 leads to an even more telling behavior:
if a child frame is already hidden, it will unexpectedly re-appear as
soon as winner-mode is enabled. This indicates that winner-mode's window
management logic is forcing a redisplay that ignores the frame's invisibility
flag in the TTY environment.
I am using the emacs-mac port from
https://github.com/jdtsmith/emacs-mac/commits/emacs-mac-gnu_master_exp
(based on Emacs 31).
In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, aarch64-apple-darwin25.1.0, Carbon
Version 170 AppKit 2685.2) of 2025-12-12 built on
fishtai0-Mac.local
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> From: Yuwei Tian <fishtai0@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 01:59:03 +0800
>
> In Emacs 31, the new TTY child frame support is fantastic. However, I
> have encountered an issue that winner-mode interferes with the
> visibility of TTY child frames. Specifically, when winner-mode is
> enabled, make-frame-invisible fails to hide a child frame visually.
>
> Steps to reproduce:
>
> 1. Start Emacs 31 in a terminal: emacs -nw -Q
>
> 2. Turn on winner-mode by executing M-x winner-mode
>
> 3. Copy the following code to the *scratch* buffer:
>
> (let ((child-frame
> (make-frame
> `((parent-frame . ,(selected-frame))
> (width . 40)
> (height . 10)
> (top . 10)
> (left . 10)
> (minibuffer . nil)))))
> (with-selected-frame child-frame
> (switch-to-buffer "*TTY Child Frame*")
> (setq mode-line-format nil)
> (erase-buffer)
> (insert "This is a child frame."))
> (run-with-timer 2 nil
> (lambda (f)
> (make-frame-invisible f)
> (message "Child frame is now invisible."))
> child-frame))
>
>
> When executing the code multiple times, the child frame hides correctly
> on the first attempt, but fails to hide on subsequent attempts.
>
> I found that reversing steps 2 and 3 leads to an even more telling behavior:
> if a child frame is already hidden, it will unexpectedly re-appear as
> soon as winner-mode is enabled. This indicates that winner-mode's window
> management logic is forcing a redisplay that ignores the frame's invisibility
> flag in the TTY environment.
I'm guessing that winner-mode messes with the order of frames, and
this, when we select a different frame as part of
make-frame-invisible, we select the just-made-invisible one.
Personally, I don't really understand the semantics of "invisible
frame" when applied to TTY frames. There's no such thing,
conceptually; what we do have is a frame that is hidden behind another
one. Which means that selecting a frame makes it "visible" even if we
made it invisible, since selecting a TTY frame also raises it.
But that's me.
Adding a couple of people who might have opinions about this.
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>> I found that reversing steps 2 and 3 leads to an even more telling behavior:
>> if a child frame is already hidden, it will unexpectedly re-appear as
>> soon as winner-mode is enabled. This indicates that winner-mode's window
>> management logic is forcing a redisplay that ignores the frame's invisibility
>> flag in the TTY environment.
This function
(defun winner-set-conf (winconf)
(let* ((miniwin (minibuffer-window))
(chosen (selected-window))
(minisize (window-height miniwin)))
(cl-letf (((window-buffer miniwin))
((window-point miniwin)))
(set-window-configuration winconf))
(cond
((window-live-p chosen) (select-window chosen)) ; <<<<<<<<<
((window-minibuffer-p) (other-window 1))) ; <<<<<<<<
(when (/= minisize (window-height miniwin))
(with-selected-window miniwin ; <<<<<<<<<<<
(enlarge-window (- minisize (window-height)))))))
has three potential causes of the problem. Here it's the 'other-window'
call that makes the child frame visible.
> Personally, I don't really understand the semantics of "invisible
> frame" when applied to TTY frames. There's no such thing,
> conceptually; what we do have is a frame that is hidden behind another
> one. Which means that selecting a frame makes it "visible" even if we
> made it invisible, since selecting a TTY frame also raises it.
You cannot hide a child frame "behind" its parent. A child frame must
always be on top of its parent. So the only way to hide a child frame
with its parent the top tty frame is to make the child frame invisible.
martin
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martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> I found that reversing steps 2 and 3 leads to an even more telling behavior:
>>> if a child frame is already hidden, it will unexpectedly re-appear as
>>> soon as winner-mode is enabled. This indicates that winner-mode's window
>>> management logic is forcing a redisplay that ignores the frame's invisibility
>>> flag in the TTY environment.
>
> This function
>
> (defun winner-set-conf (winconf)
> (let* ((miniwin (minibuffer-window))
> (chosen (selected-window))
> (minisize (window-height miniwin)))
> (cl-letf (((window-buffer miniwin))
> ((window-point miniwin)))
> (set-window-configuration winconf))
> (cond
> ((window-live-p chosen) (select-window chosen)) ; <<<<<<<<<
> ((window-minibuffer-p) (other-window 1))) ; <<<<<<<<
> (when (/= minisize (window-height miniwin))
> (with-selected-window miniwin ; <<<<<<<<<<<
> (enlarge-window (- minisize (window-height)))))))
>
> has three potential causes of the problem. Here it's the 'other-window'
> call that makes the child frame visible.
And there's also
winner.el:
115 (defun winner-configuration (&optional frame)
116 (or (cdr (assq (or frame (selected-frame)) winner-currents))
117 (with-selected-frame frame
118 (winner-conf))))
where selecting a tty child frame might make it visible like in the
recent xt-mouse case. (And I'm also not sure why with-selected-frame is
used here).
Does someone perhaps remember what the problem with removing
SET_FRAME_VISIBLE from do_switch_frame was? I don't remember 1 bit.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Yuwei Tian <fishtai0@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 01:59:03 +0800
>>
>> In Emacs 31, the new TTY child frame support is fantastic. However, I
>> have encountered an issue that winner-mode interferes with the
>> visibility of TTY child frames. Specifically, when winner-mode is
>> enabled, make-frame-invisible fails to hide a child frame visually.
>>
>> Steps to reproduce:
>>
>> 1. Start Emacs 31 in a terminal: emacs -nw -Q
>>
>> 2. Turn on winner-mode by executing M-x winner-mode
>>
>> 3. Copy the following code to the *scratch* buffer:
>>
>> (let ((child-frame
>> (make-frame
>> `((parent-frame . ,(selected-frame))
>> (width . 40)
>> (height . 10)
>> (top . 10)
>> (left . 10)
>> (minibuffer . nil)))))
>> (with-selected-frame child-frame
>> (switch-to-buffer "*TTY Child Frame*")
>> (setq mode-line-format nil)
>> (erase-buffer)
>> (insert "This is a child frame."))
>> (run-with-timer 2 nil
>> (lambda (f)
>> (make-frame-invisible f)
>> (message "Child frame is now invisible."))
>> child-frame))
>>
>>
>> When executing the code multiple times, the child frame hides correctly
>> on the first attempt, but fails to hide on subsequent attempts.
@Yuwei Tian: when you write that you execute the code above multiple
times, you are creating N child frames that look all the same, right?
That makes it a bit difficult to follow. Can you perhaps give an example
that shows the problem with a single child frame that is created once?
Sorry, I'm not at all familiar with winner, I would find that easier to
follow.
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> Does someone perhaps remember what the problem with removing
> SET_FRAME_VISIBLE from do_switch_frame was? I don't remember 1 bit.
Neither do I. I'd suggest you remove it, look what gets broken and fix
that if possible. Otherwise, we'll likely see more such bugs pile up.
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 10:44=E2=80=AFPM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellmann=
@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> >> From: Yuwei Tian <fishtai0@HIDDEN>
> >> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 01:59:03 +0800
> >>
> >> In Emacs 31, the new TTY child frame support is fantastic. However, I
> >> have encountered an issue that winner-mode interferes with the
> >> visibility of TTY child frames. Specifically, when winner-mode is
> >> enabled, make-frame-invisible fails to hide a child frame visually.
> >>
> >> Steps to reproduce:
> >>
> >> 1. Start Emacs 31 in a terminal: emacs -nw -Q
> >>
> >> 2. Turn on winner-mode by executing M-x winner-mode
> >>
> >> 3. Copy the following code to the *scratch* buffer:
> >>
> >> (let ((child-frame
> >> (make-frame
> >> `((parent-frame . ,(selected-frame))
> >> (width . 40)
> >> (height . 10)
> >> (top . 10)
> >> (left . 10)
> >> (minibuffer . nil)))))
> >> (with-selected-frame child-frame
> >> (switch-to-buffer "*TTY Child Frame*")
> >> (setq mode-line-format nil)
> >> (erase-buffer)
> >> (insert "This is a child frame."))
> >> (run-with-timer 2 nil
> >> (lambda (f)
> >> (make-frame-invisible f)
> >> (message "Child frame is now invisible."))
> >> child-frame))
> >>
> >>
> >> When executing the code multiple times, the child frame hides corre=
ctly
> >> on the first attempt, but fails to hide on subsequent attempts.
>
> @Yuwei Tian: when you write that you execute the code above multiple
> times, you are creating N child frames that look all the same, right?
>
> That makes it a bit difficult to follow. Can you perhaps give an example
> that shows the problem with a single child frame that is created once?
Thank you for the feedback. Here is the updated code to ensure we are
only dealing with a single child frame and avoid any confusion from
overlapping frames.
(progn
(dolist (f (frame-list))
(when (frame-parent f)
(delete-frame f)))
(let ((child-frame (make-frame
`((parent-frame . ,(selected-frame))
(width . 40)
(height . 10)
(top . 10)
(left . 10)
(minibuffer . nil)))))
(with-selected-frame child-frame
(switch-to-buffer "*TTY Child Frame*")
(setq mode-line-format nil)
(erase-buffer)
(insert "This is a child frame."))
(run-with-timer 2 nil
(lambda (f)
(make-frame-invisible f)
(message "Child frame is now invisible."))
child-frame)))
Reproduction Steps:
1. Run emacs -nw -Q
2. Enable winner-mode
3. Evaluate the code
After the 2-second timer, the child frame disappears. However, any
subsequent keystroke, such as C-n, causes the hidden frame to
immediately reappear.
If steps 2 and 3 are swapped (i.e., the child frame is created and
hidden before enabling winner-mode), the already hidden child frame
will unexpectedly reappear as soon as winner-mode is enabled.
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Yuwei Tian <fishtai0@HIDDEN> writes:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 10:44=E2=80=AFPM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellma=
nn@HIDDEN> wrote:
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> >> From: Yuwei Tian <fishtai0@HIDDEN>
>> >> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 01:59:03 +0800
>> >>
>> >> In Emacs 31, the new TTY child frame support is fantastic. However, I
>> >> have encountered an issue that winner-mode interferes with the
>> >> visibility of TTY child frames. Specifically, when winner-mode is
>> >> enabled, make-frame-invisible fails to hide a child frame visually.
>> >>
>> >> Steps to reproduce:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Start Emacs 31 in a terminal: emacs -nw -Q
>> >>
>> >> 2. Turn on winner-mode by executing M-x winner-mode
>> >>
>> >> 3. Copy the following code to the *scratch* buffer:
>> >>
>> >> (let ((child-frame
>> >> (make-frame
>> >> `((parent-frame . ,(selected-frame))
>> >> (width . 40)
>> >> (height . 10)
>> >> (top . 10)
>> >> (left . 10)
>> >> (minibuffer . nil)))))
>> >> (with-selected-frame child-frame
>> >> (switch-to-buffer "*TTY Child Frame*")
>> >> (setq mode-line-format nil)
>> >> (erase-buffer)
>> >> (insert "This is a child frame."))
>> >> (run-with-timer 2 nil
>> >> (lambda (f)
>> >> (make-frame-invisible f)
>> >> (message "Child frame is now invisible."))
>> >> child-frame))
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When executing the code multiple times, the child frame hides corr=
ectly
>> >> on the first attempt, but fails to hide on subsequent attempts.
>>
>> @Yuwei Tian: when you write that you execute the code above multiple
>> times, you are creating N child frames that look all the same, right?
>>
>> That makes it a bit difficult to follow. Can you perhaps give an example
>> that shows the problem with a single child frame that is created once?
>
> Thank you for the feedback. Here is the updated code to ensure we are
> only dealing with a single child frame and avoid any confusion from
> overlapping frames.
>
> (progn
> (dolist (f (frame-list))
> (when (frame-parent f)
> (delete-frame f)))
>
> (let ((child-frame (make-frame
> `((parent-frame . ,(selected-frame))
> (width . 40)
> (height . 10)
> (top . 10)
> (left . 10)
> (minibuffer . nil)))))
> (with-selected-frame child-frame
> (switch-to-buffer "*TTY Child Frame*")
> (setq mode-line-format nil)
> (erase-buffer)
> (insert "This is a child frame."))
> (run-with-timer 2 nil
> (lambda (f)
> (make-frame-invisible f)
> (message "Child frame is now invisible."))
> child-frame)))
>
> Reproduction Steps:
>
> 1. Run emacs -nw -Q
> 2. Enable winner-mode
> 3. Evaluate the code
>
> After the 2-second timer, the child frame disappears. However, any
> subsequent keystroke, such as C-n, causes the hidden frame to
> immediately reappear.
>
> If steps 2 and 3 are swapped (i.e., the child frame is created and
> hidden before enabling winner-mode), the already hidden child frame
> will unexpectedly reappear as soon as winner-mode is enabled.
Thanks, that I could reproduce. And, unsurprisingly, not doing
SET_FRAME_VISIBLE in do_switch_frame fixes things.
What to do?
The making frames visible came in with a multi-tty commit in 2003 I
think, as Martin showed. Without explanation and for a reason I can't
think of ATM. At that point there were no child frames on ttys of
course. So, I propose we keep making root frames visible.
When I added child frames, I mimicked what was done for root frames by
making child frames visible. I now think that was wrong. At least at the
moment, I can't think of a reason why I should do that. Famous last
words.
Summa summarum, I think the below makes sense. WDYT?
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
src/frame.c | 9 ++-------
modified src/frame.c
@@ -1911,18 +1911,16 @@ do_switch_frame (Lisp_Object frame, int track, int =
for_deletion, Lisp_Object nor
=20
XSETFRAME (top_frame, root_frame (f));
tty->top_frame =3D top_frame;
+ SET_FRAME_VISIBLE (root_frame (f), true);
=20
while (p)
{
- /* If FRAME is a child frame, make its ancsetors visible
- and garbage them ... */
- SET_FRAME_VISIBLE (p, true);
+ /* If FRAME is a child frame, make it redraw. */
SET_FRAME_GARBAGED (p);
p =3D FRAME_PARENT_FRAME (p);
}
=20
/* ... and FRAME itself too. */
- SET_FRAME_VISIBLE (f, true);
SET_FRAME_GARBAGED (f);
=20
/* FIXME: Why is it correct to set FrameCols/Rows here? */
@@ -1937,9 +1935,6 @@ do_switch_frame (Lisp_Object frame, int track, int fo=
r_deletion, Lisp_Object nor
FrameRows (tty) =3D FRAME_TOTAL_LINES (f);
}
}
- else
- /* Should be covered by the condition above. */
- SET_FRAME_VISIBLE (f, true);
}
=20
sf->select_mini_window_flag =3D MINI_WINDOW_P (XWINDOW (sf->selected_win=
dow));
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martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Does someone perhaps remember what the problem with removing
>> SET_FRAME_VISIBLE from do_switch_frame was? I don't remember 1 bit.
>
> Neither do I. I'd suggest you remove it, look what gets broken and fix
> that if possible. Otherwise, we'll likely see more such bugs pile up.
>
> martin
I think I'll leave the part of making root frames visible untouched. No
way I'll dive into multi-tty.
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Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> writes:
> Yuwei Tian <fishtai0@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 10:44=E2=80=AFPM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellm=
ann@HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>
>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>>
>>> >> From: Yuwei Tian <fishtai0@HIDDEN>
>>> >> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 01:59:03 +0800
>>> >>
>>> >> In Emacs 31, the new TTY child frame support is fantastic. However, I
>>> >> have encountered an issue that winner-mode interferes with the
>>> >> visibility of TTY child frames. Specifically, when winner-mode is
>>> >> enabled, make-frame-invisible fails to hide a child frame visually.
>>> >>
>>> >> Steps to reproduce:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. Start Emacs 31 in a terminal: emacs -nw -Q
>>> >>
>>> >> 2. Turn on winner-mode by executing M-x winner-mode
>>> >>
>>> >> 3. Copy the following code to the *scratch* buffer:
>>> >>
>>> >> (let ((child-frame
>>> >> (make-frame
>>> >> `((parent-frame . ,(selected-frame))
>>> >> (width . 40)
>>> >> (height . 10)
>>> >> (top . 10)
>>> >> (left . 10)
>>> >> (minibuffer . nil)))))
>>> >> (with-selected-frame child-frame
>>> >> (switch-to-buffer "*TTY Child Frame*")
>>> >> (setq mode-line-format nil)
>>> >> (erase-buffer)
>>> >> (insert "This is a child frame."))
>>> >> (run-with-timer 2 nil
>>> >> (lambda (f)
>>> >> (make-frame-invisible f)
>>> >> (message "Child frame is now invisible."))
>>> >> child-frame))
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> When executing the code multiple times, the child frame hides cor=
rectly
>>> >> on the first attempt, but fails to hide on subsequent attempts.
>>>
>>> @Yuwei Tian: when you write that you execute the code above multiple
>>> times, you are creating N child frames that look all the same, right?
>>>
>>> That makes it a bit difficult to follow. Can you perhaps give an example
>>> that shows the problem with a single child frame that is created once?
>>
>> Thank you for the feedback. Here is the updated code to ensure we are
>> only dealing with a single child frame and avoid any confusion from
>> overlapping frames.
>>
>> (progn
>> (dolist (f (frame-list))
>> (when (frame-parent f)
>> (delete-frame f)))
>>
>> (let ((child-frame (make-frame
>> `((parent-frame . ,(selected-frame))
>> (width . 40)
>> (height . 10)
>> (top . 10)
>> (left . 10)
>> (minibuffer . nil)))))
>> (with-selected-frame child-frame
>> (switch-to-buffer "*TTY Child Frame*")
>> (setq mode-line-format nil)
>> (erase-buffer)
>> (insert "This is a child frame."))
>> (run-with-timer 2 nil
>> (lambda (f)
>> (make-frame-invisible f)
>> (message "Child frame is now invisible."))
>> child-frame)))
>>
>> Reproduction Steps:
>>
>> 1. Run emacs -nw -Q
>> 2. Enable winner-mode
>> 3. Evaluate the code
>>
>> After the 2-second timer, the child frame disappears. However, any
>> subsequent keystroke, such as C-n, causes the hidden frame to
>> immediately reappear.
>>
>> If steps 2 and 3 are swapped (i.e., the child frame is created and
>> hidden before enabling winner-mode), the already hidden child frame
>> will unexpectedly reappear as soon as winner-mode is enabled.
>
> Thanks, that I could reproduce. And, unsurprisingly, not doing
> SET_FRAME_VISIBLE in do_switch_frame fixes things.
>
> What to do?
>
> The making frames visible came in with a multi-tty commit in 2003 I
> think, as Martin showed. Without explanation and for a reason I can't
> think of ATM. At that point there were no child frames on ttys of
> course. So, I propose we keep making root frames visible.
>
> When I added child frames, I mimicked what was done for root frames by
> making child frames visible. I now think that was wrong. At least at the
> moment, I can't think of a reason why I should do that. Famous last
> words.
>
> Summa summarum, I think the below makes sense. WDYT?
Works well for me (Corfu, Posframe for Vertico, Transient and so on).
Patch attached for what I'm now using in cl-packages..
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filename=0001-Don-t-make-tty-child-frames-visible-when-selected-bu.patch
From 5fb453ea5a95321a9c38182c75d832ec08fb1b57 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: =?UTF-8?q?Gerd=20M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 19:52:54 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Don't make tty child frames visible when selected (bug#80020)
* src/frame.c (do_switch_frame): Don't change visibility of tty
child frames.
---
src/frame.c | 9 ++-------
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
diff --git a/src/frame.c b/src/frame.c
index d656b01ba00..5bbfb00931d 100644
--- a/src/frame.c
+++ b/src/frame.c
@@ -1922,18 +1922,16 @@ do_switch_frame (Lisp_Object frame, int track, int for_deletion, Lisp_Object nor
XSETFRAME (top_frame, root_frame (f));
tty->top_frame = top_frame;
+ SET_FRAME_VISIBLE (root_frame (f), true);
while (p)
{
- /* If FRAME is a child frame, make its ancsetors visible
- and garbage them ... */
- SET_FRAME_VISIBLE (p, true);
+ /* If FRAME is a child frame, make it redraw. */
SET_FRAME_GARBAGED (p);
p = FRAME_PARENT_FRAME (p);
}
/* ... and FRAME itself too. */
- SET_FRAME_VISIBLE (f, true);
SET_FRAME_GARBAGED (f);
/* FIXME: Why is it correct to set FrameCols/Rows here? */
@@ -1948,9 +1946,6 @@ do_switch_frame (Lisp_Object frame, int track, int for_deletion, Lisp_Object nor
FrameRows (tty) = FRAME_TOTAL_LINES (f);
}
}
- else
- /* Should be covered by the condition above. */
- SET_FRAME_VISIBLE (f, true);
}
sf->select_mini_window_flag = MINI_WINDOW_P (XWINDOW (sf->selected_window));
--
2.52.0
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> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN>,
> 80020 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2025 08:11:36 +0100
>
> > Summa summarum, I think the below makes sense. WDYT?
>
> Works well for me (Corfu, Posframe for Vertico, Transient and so on).
> Patch attached for what I'm now using in cl-packages..
Does that make sure the top-frame of a terminal is visible? Since the
patch basically removes all the calls to SET_FRAME_VISIBLE, I wonder
what happens with the top-frame, which must be visible.
Can we add an assertion that we don't end up with a top-frame that is
not visible?
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN>,
>> 80020 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2025 08:11:36 +0100
>>=20
>> > Summa summarum, I think the below makes sense. WDYT?
>>=20
>> Works well for me (Corfu, Posframe for Vertico, Transient and so on).
>> Patch attached for what I'm now using in cl-packages..
>
> Does that make sure the top-frame of a terminal is visible? Since the
> patch basically removes all the calls to SET_FRAME_VISIBLE, I wonder
> what happens with the top-frame, which must be visible.
>
> Can we add an assertion that we don't end up with a top-frame that is
> not visible?
Yes, the top-frame is always visible, that's unchanged.
modified src/frame.c
@@ -1922,18 +1922,16 @@ do_switch_frame (Lisp_Object frame, int track, int =
for_deletion, Lisp_Object nor
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XSETFRAME (top_frame, root_frame (f));
tty->top_frame =3D top_frame;
+ SET_FRAME_VISIBLE (root_frame (f), true);
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No assertion needed because it's now done unconditionally, while it
was a bit "hidden" in the logic before.
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> Works well for me (Corfu, Posframe for Vertico, Transient and so on).
> Patch attached for what I'm now using in cl-packages..
I suppose the crucial point is then 'raise-frame' and it's possible that
tty_raise_lower_frame with RAISE true will have to make all ancestors of
F visible just as we did for do_switch_frame till now. The doc-string
of 'raise-frame'
If Emacs is displaying on an ordinary terminal or some other device which
doesn't support multiple overlapping frames, this function selects
FRAME.
may have to be amended too. But note that on a GUI
(setq frame (make-frame))
(setq child (make-frame `((parent-frame . ,frame)
(width . 20)
(height . 10)
(left . 40)
(top . 40))))
(make-frame-invisible frame)
(select-frame-set-input-focus child)
does not make child visible either, so I'm not entirely sure about what
we should do here. Make frame visible when we raise child? Are there
additional twists on a tty?
Ceterum censeo do_switch_frame should not deal with frame visibility -
not even that of a tty's root frame.
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> Does that make sure the top-frame of a terminal is visible? Since the
> patch basically removes all the calls to SET_FRAME_VISIBLE, I wonder
> what happens with the top-frame, which must be visible.
We should not rely on do_switch_frame to guarantee that - who knows
whether it gets called reliably. Both 'make-frame-invisible' and
'delete-frame' must guarantee that on a tty the top frame always remains
visible.
> Can we add an assertion that we don't end up with a top-frame that is
> not visible?
We should add that to the two functions above.
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martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Works well for me (Corfu, Posframe for Vertico, Transient and so on).
>> Patch attached for what I'm now using in cl-packages..
>
> I suppose the crucial point is then 'raise-frame' and it's possible that
> tty_raise_lower_frame with RAISE true will have to make all ancestors of
> F visible just as we did for do_switch_frame till now. The doc-string
> of 'raise-frame'
Maybe not, at least not as far as redisplay is concerned. I don't know
for sure what the GUI(s) do, but I think it works. At least it looks the
same here with 'mac' GUI and on a tty.
The reason is that combine_updates_for_frame does
dispnew.c:
4066 Lisp_Object z_order = frames_in_reverse_z_order (root, true);
4067 if (NILP (z_order))
4068 {
4069 Lisp_Object root_frame;
4070 XSETFRAME (root_frame, root);
4071 z_order = Fcons (root_frame, Qnil);
4072 }
and frames_in_reverse_z_order uses
dispnew.c:
3420 static Lisp_Object
3421 frames_with_root (struct frame *root, bool visible_only)
3422 {
3423 Lisp_Object list = Qnil;
3424 Lisp_Object tail, frame;
3425 FOR_EACH_FRAME (tail, frame)
3426 {
3427 struct frame *f = XFRAME (frame);
3428
3429 if (root_frame (f) == root
3430 && (!visible_only || frame_ancestors_visible_p (f)))
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
3431 list = Fcons (frame, list);
3432 }
3433 return list;
3434 }
which means that a child frame is only displayed if it is itself visible
and all its ancestors are.
So the question is if we need to SET_FRAME_VISIBLE ancestors at all. I
can't see that being done for GUIs either, but I might be wrong. Do you
have an overview?
>
> If Emacs is displaying on an ordinary terminal or some other device which
> doesn't support multiple overlapping frames, this function selects
> FRAME.
Yes, missed that. I've removed the sentence here.
>
> may have to be amended too. But note that on a GUI
>
>
> (setq frame (make-frame))
> (setq child (make-frame `((parent-frame . ,frame)
> (width . 20)
> (height . 10)
> (left . 40)
> (top . 40))))
> (make-frame-invisible frame)
> (select-frame-set-input-focus child)
>
>
> does not make child visible either, so I'm not entirely sure about what
> we should do here. Make frame visible when we raise child? Are there
> additional twists on a tty?
Not that I know of, except what I wrote above.
>
> Ceterum censeo do_switch_frame should not deal with frame visibility -
> not even that of a tty's root frame.
>
> martin
+1, but the multi-tty heritage makes me a bit nervous :-). Maybe we can
do that in a second step.
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martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Does that make sure the top-frame of a terminal is visible? Since the
>> patch basically removes all the calls to SET_FRAME_VISIBLE, I wonder
>> what happens with the top-frame, which must be visible.
>
> We should not rely on do_switch_frame to guarantee that - who knows
> whether it gets called reliably. Both 'make-frame-invisible' and
> 'delete-frame' must guarantee that on a tty the top frame always remains
> visible.
That would be the right thing. I agree.
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> which means that a child frame is only displayed if it is itself visible
> and all its ancestors are.
That might be the problem. IIUC the following seems already broken now
on a tty without your patch:
(defvar frame (make-frame))
(defvar child (make-frame `((parent-frame . ,frame)
(width . 20)
(height . 10)
(left . 40)
(top . 40))))
(make-frame-invisible frame)
(select-frame child)
> So the question is if we need to SET_FRAME_VISIBLE ancestors at all. I
> can't see that being done for GUIs either, but I might be wrong. Do you
> have an overview?
It's not done. Probably all applications using child frames on a GUI
always try to find a visible parent.
>> Ceterum censeo do_switch_frame should not deal with frame visibility -
>> not even that of a tty's root frame.
>>
>> martin
>
> +1, but the multi-tty heritage makes me a bit nervous :-). Maybe we can
> do that in a second step.
Agreed.
martin
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martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> writes:
>> which means that a child frame is only displayed if it is itself visible
>> and all its ancestors are.
>
> That might be the problem. IIUC the following seems already broken now
> on a tty without your patch:
>
> (defvar frame (make-frame))
> (defvar child (make-frame `((parent-frame . ,frame)
> (width . 20)
> (height . 10)
> (left . 40)
> (top . 40))))
> (make-frame-invisible frame)
> (select-frame child)
Right. The SET_FRAME_VISIBLE in do_switch_frame currently undoes the
make-frame-invisible.
>
>> So the question is if we need to SET_FRAME_VISIBLE ancestors at all. I
>> can't see that being done for GUIs either, but I might be wrong. Do you
>> have an overview?
>
> It's not done. Probably all applications using child frames on a GUI
> always try to find a visible parent.
Very good, so that looks correct to me then.
>>
>> +1, but the multi-tty heritage makes me a bit nervous :-). Maybe we can
>> do that in a second step.
>
> Agreed.
Objections to pushing what I have so far, anyone? I guess one could make
a wishlist ticket in debuugs for the root frame visibility thing, then,
or what was the procedure again?
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martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> That might be the problem. IIUC the following seems already broken now
>>> on a tty without your patch:
>>>
>>> (defvar frame (make-frame))
>>> (defvar child (make-frame `((parent-frame . ,frame)
>>> (width . 20)
>>> (height . 10)
>>> (left . 40)
>>> (top . 40))))
>>> (make-frame-invisible frame)
>>> (select-frame child)
>>
>> Right. The SET_FRAME_VISIBLE in do_switch_frame currently undoes the
>> make-frame-invisible.
>
> But it does not make 'frame' the top frame so display is broken. Why
> does it want to show 'frame' as the top frame here? The two screenshots
> show the state before and after the =E2=80=98select-frame=E2=80=99 call w=
here F1 is the
> original frame and F2 is 'frame'.
I think I've misread the code above as "(make-frame-invisible child)".
So please scratch what I said. Sorry for that.
And I suspect I'm not getting something. For example that you are
describing a bug with the patch? Or without? What should (selected-frame
child) have done?
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Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> writes:
> martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>>>> That might be the problem. IIUC the following seems already broken now
>>>> on a tty without your patch:
>>>>
>>>> (defvar frame (make-frame))
>>>> (defvar child (make-frame `((parent-frame . ,frame)
>>>> (width . 20)
>>>> (height . 10)
>>>> (left . 40)
>>>> (top . 40))))
>>>> (make-frame-invisible frame)
>>>> (select-frame child)
>>>
>>> Right. The SET_FRAME_VISIBLE in do_switch_frame currently undoes the
>>> make-frame-invisible.
>>
>> But it does not make 'frame' the top frame so display is broken. Why
>> does it want to show 'frame' as the top frame here? The two screenshots
>> show the state before and after the =E2=80=98select-frame=E2=80=99 call =
where F1 is the
>> original frame and F2 is 'frame'.
>
> I think I've misread the code above as "(make-frame-invisible child)".
> So please scratch what I said. Sorry for that.
>
> And I suspect I'm not getting something. For example that you are
> describing a bug with the patch? Or without? What should (selected-frame
> child) have done?
Hm, also I seem to get a visible child on F2 in master and with my
patch. Hm.
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> Hm, also I seem to get a visible child on F2 in master and with my
> patch. Hm.
The worst thing is that I can't even debug it. When I step through
do_switch_frame with GDB after the fourth call induced by the initial
(defvar frame (make-frame))
and get back to the tty frame, it has already switched to F2 just as if
this were a GUI session. So the behavior under the debugger differs
from the behavior without.
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martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Hm, also I seem to get a visible child on F2 in master and with my
>> patch. Hm.
>
> The worst thing is that I can't even debug it. When I step through
> do_switch_frame with GDB after the fourth call induced by the initial
>
> (defvar frame (make-frame))
>
> and get back to the tty frame, it has already switched to F2 just as if
> this were a GUI session. So the behavior under the debugger differs
> from the behavior without.
>
Nightmare :-(
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Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> writes:
> Works well for me (Corfu, Posframe for Vertico, Transient and so on).
> Patch attached for what I'm now using in cl-packages..
I've pushed the fix to master now.
Thanks for reporting this, Yuwei Tian. And closing.
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