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31.0.50; Regarding vc-short-revision

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From: Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 31.0.50; Regarding vc-short-revision
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2025 02:01:18 -0800

Hi,

I want to bring up the topic of how `vc-short-revision' (function) and
`vc-use-short-revision' (variable) are currently treat in vc.el.
Currently, `vc-short-revision' is used only in `vc-use-short-revision',
and `vc-use-short-revision' is used only in `vc-annotate'.

A few thoughts:

- `vc-short-revision' and `vc-use-short-revision' are undocumented. I
  think one or the other (see below for a suggestion on which) should be
  documented in the preamble of vc.el, where all the backend methods are
  documented, since this is the location that lists all the major
  details in the vc API.

- Should `vc-short-revision' be its own vc backend method? A similar
  case would be how working-revision-symbol is its own method. The
  alternative would be documenting how the working-revision backend
  method should adhere to the value of `vc-use-short-revision'.

- Should `vc-short-revision' and `vc-use-short-revision' be renamed to
  `vc-short-working-revision' and `vc-use-short-working-revision'? These
  names better suggest their connection to `vc-working-revision'.



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-- 
Kind regards,
Kristoffer

Message #8 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: 31.0.50; Regarding vc-short-revision
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2025 04:06:44 -0800

On Fri, Dec 19 2025, Kristoffer Balintona wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I want to bring up the topic of how `vc-short-revision' (function) and
> `vc-use-short-revision' (variable) are currently treat in vc.el.
> Currently, `vc-short-revision' is used only in `vc-use-short-revision',
> and `vc-use-short-revision' is used only in `vc-annotate'.
>
> A few thoughts:
>
> - `vc-short-revision' and `vc-use-short-revision' are undocumented. I
>   think one or the other (see below for a suggestion on which) should be
>   documented in the preamble of vc.el, where all the backend methods are
>   documented, since this is the location that lists all the major
>   details in the vc API.
>
> - Should `vc-short-revision' be its own vc backend method? A similar
>   case would be how working-revision-symbol is its own method. The
>   alternative would be documenting how the working-revision backend
>   method should adhere to the value of `vc-use-short-revision'.
>
> - Should `vc-short-revision' and `vc-use-short-revision' be renamed to
>   `vc-short-working-revision' and `vc-use-short-working-revision'? These
>   names better suggest their connection to `vc-working-revision'.

Actually, I see now that `vc-use-short-revision' is used in multiple
places: it is set in let bindings that can effect at least the
next-revision and previous-revision methods as well as
`vc-short-revision'. It seems, then, the way `vc-use-short-revision' is
used that it is meant to be let-bound and various VC methods are
intended to obey its value. As such, I wonder why we have
`vc-short-revision' instead of just `vc-working-revision' (which adheres
to `vc-short-revision').

In any case, I think this behavior should be documented in the preamble
of vc.el under the relevant backend method descriptions.

-- 
Kind regards,
Kristoffer

Message #11 received at 80033 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
To: Kristoffer Balintona <krisbalintona <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 80033 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#80033: 31.0.50; Regarding vc-short-revision
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2025 14:08:39 +0000

Hello,

On Fri 19 Dec 2025 at 04:06am -08, Kristoffer Balintona wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 19 2025, Kristoffer Balintona wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want to bring up the topic of how `vc-short-revision' (function) and
>> `vc-use-short-revision' (variable) are currently treat in vc.el.
>> Currently, `vc-short-revision' is used only in `vc-use-short-revision',
>> and `vc-use-short-revision' is used only in `vc-annotate'.
>>
>> A few thoughts:
>>
>> - `vc-short-revision' and `vc-use-short-revision' are undocumented. I
>>   think one or the other (see below for a suggestion on which) should be
>>   documented in the preamble of vc.el, where all the backend methods are
>>   documented, since this is the location that lists all the major
>>   details in the vc API.
>>
>> - Should `vc-short-revision' be its own vc backend method? A similar
>>   case would be how working-revision-symbol is its own method. The
>>   alternative would be documenting how the working-revision backend
>>   method should adhere to the value of `vc-use-short-revision'.
>>
>> - Should `vc-short-revision' and `vc-use-short-revision' be renamed to
>>   `vc-short-working-revision' and `vc-use-short-working-revision'? These
>>   names better suggest their connection to `vc-working-revision'.
>
> Actually, I see now that `vc-use-short-revision' is used in multiple
> places: it is set in let bindings that can effect at least the
> next-revision and previous-revision methods as well as
> `vc-short-revision'. It seems, then, the way `vc-use-short-revision' is
> used that it is meant to be let-bound and various VC methods are
> intended to obey its value. As such, I wonder why we have
> `vc-short-revision' instead of just `vc-working-revision' (which adheres
> to `vc-short-revision').
>
> In any case, I think this behavior should be documented in the preamble
> of vc.el under the relevant backend method descriptions.

It's unlikely to be worth the trouble of renaming things, but you're
right that 'short-working-revision' should probably have been used.

We can document that the backend API functions that return revision
numbers should obey vc-use-short-revision.  Can you provide a list of
which backend API functions those are?

-- 
Sean Whitton

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