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> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:26:27 -0800
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> On 2026-01-19 10:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
> >> I run "make check" a lot less often than I should, simply because it
> >> takes too long, and I expect I'm not alone. I suggest we change things
> >> so that "make -j check" runs fast and in parallel, with another test
> >> ("make check-seq", say?) that runs tests that must be run in sequence.
> >
> > Yes, but consider the plight of Emacs maintainers who receive reports
> > about failing tests, and start working on that, only to discover
> > several minutes or hours later that the problem was with -jN.
>
> My proposal considers that plight, no? "make check" will work just fine.
> "make -j check" will work just fine. "make check-seq" will work just
> fine. It's only "make -j check-seq" that might have trouble, and if we
> like we can even cause that to fail or to silently ignore the -j.
I don't mind any of these, as I always run the tests sequentially. My
point is that Michael is not doing anything silly, he is dealing with
real problems.
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On 2026-01-19 10:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
>> I run "make check" a lot less often than I should, simply because it
>> takes too long, and I expect I'm not alone. I suggest we change things
>> so that "make -j check" runs fast and in parallel, with another test
>> ("make check-seq", say?) that runs tests that must be run in sequence.
>
> Yes, but consider the plight of Emacs maintainers who receive reports
> about failing tests, and start working on that, only to discover
> several minutes or hours later that the problem was with -jN.
My proposal considers that plight, no? "make check" will work just fine.
"make -j check" will work just fine. "make check-seq" will work just
fine. It's only "make -j check-seq" that might have trouble, and if we
like we can even cause that to fail or to silently ignore the -j.
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> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2026 08:50:46 -0800
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> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
>
> Although these failures could merely be symptoms of problems in the test
> cases, it's quite plausible that they are also symptoms of other
> problems in Emacs, problems that should be fixed.
No, they aren't, not by and large. There are a small number of tests
that indeed test asynchronous operation and synchronization features,
but those are a very small minority.
> I run "make check" a lot less often than I should, simply because it
> takes too long, and I expect I'm not alone. I suggest we change things
> so that "make -j check" runs fast and in parallel, with another test
> ("make check-seq", say?) that runs tests that must be run in sequence.
Yes, but consider the plight of Emacs maintainers who receive reports
about failing tests, and start working on that, only to discover
several minutes or hours later that the problem was with -jN.
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On 2026-01-19 08:38, Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd wrote:
> I'm not removing the .NOTPARALLEL, just excluding tramp-tests from 'mak=
e check' by default.
That sounds good to me too. I was just writing an email message along=20
those lines (see below).
On 2026-01-19 07:03, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> running
> the test suite in parallel is likely to produce failures that have
> nothing to do with the features being tested
Although these failures could merely be symptoms of problems in the test=20
cases, it's quite plausible that they are also symptoms of other=20
problems in Emacs, problems that should be fixed. And that's OK: it's OK=20
for tests to check multiple features at the same time, even features=20
that they were not originally intended to test.
I run "make check" a lot less often than I should, simply because it=20
takes too long, and I expect I'm not alone. I suggest we change things=20
so that "make -j check" runs fast and in parallel, with another test=20
("make check-seq", say?) that runs tests that must be run in sequence.
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All the rest can still be > run in parallel, if you want. Yes, and it's the non-parallel tramp-tests that is the problem: it is = itself way too expensive, and the .NOTPARALLEL directive then = effectively multiplies that cost by the number of available cores. >> Clearly we need to help Michael resolve his testing ordeals but we = would benefit from easier reproduction and narrowing it down to what = actual tests seem to interfere with one another. >=20 > This is not only for Michael's testing. As I said earlier, running > the test suite in parallel is likely to produce failures that have > nothing to do with the features being tested, and then people report > bugs that we don't necessarily want to try to fix. Maybe we are talking past one another; I'm not removing the = .NOTPARALLEL, just excluding tramp-tests from 'make check' by default.
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Subject: bug#80164: Tramp tests time out on Fedora 42 AMD Phenom II X4 910e
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> .NOTPARALLEL: lisp/filenotify-tests.log lisp/net/tramp-tests.log
Not very happy about this outcome as it slows down 'make check' =
substantially. This wastes everyone's time, and is no way to get more =
people to run the test suite. If anything we want the tests to become =
faster, and computers are not becoming less parallel.
It also puts the burden on everyone else: very few commits not related =
to Tramp affect tramp-tests, yet we all have to wait for it.
Better then to mark all the Tramp tests as expensive for non-EMBA runs =
so that they aren't included in 'make check' by default, patch below. I =
decided against only tagging a few tests as the distribution is pretty =
flat; see attached cumulative timing. (In this context, one second for a =
single test is a lot.)
Not sure if we need to do something about filenotify-tests as it's much =
faster, although it might still have an outsize cost on highly parallel =
hardware.
Clearly we need to help Michael resolve his testing ordeals but we would =
benefit from easier reproduction and narrowing it down to what actual =
tests seem to interfere with one another.
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diff --git a/test/lisp/net/tramp-tests.el b/test/lisp/net/tramp-tests.el
index 37923cf2a19..fee42ea440f 100644
--- a/test/lisp/net/tramp-tests.el
+++ b/test/lisp/net/tramp-tests.el
@@ -9003,6 +9003,15 @@ tramp-test-all
(if interactive #'ert-run-tests-interactively #'ert-run-tests-batch)
(rx bol "tramp")))
+;; Mark all tramp tests as expensive, because (1) they are and (2)
+;; unresolved problems prevents running them in parallel with other
+;; tests (bug#80164). This prevents 'make check' from running them by
+;; default.
+(unless (getenv "EMACS_EMBA_CI")
+ (dolist (test (apropos-internal (rx bos "tramp-test") #'ert-test-boundp))
+ (setf (ert-test-tags (ert-get-test test))
+ (cons :expensive-test (ert-test-tags (ert-get-test test))))))
+
;; TODO:
;; * dired-uncache (partly done in other test functions)
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elapsed cumul
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4.796727 4.796727 tramp-test39-make-lock-file-name
4.243743 9.040470 tramp-test48-session-timeout
4.243680 13.284150 tramp-test35-remote-path
3.682210 16.966360 tramp-test12-rename-file
3.242289 20.208649 tramp-test11-copy-file
2.706466 22.915115 tramp-test26-file-name-completion
2.702212 25.617327 tramp-test21-file-links
2.461961 28.079288 tramp-test18-file-attributes
2.311187 30.390475 tramp-test39-detect-external-change
2.203099 32.593574 tramp-test10-write-region
2.010879 34.604453 tramp-test17-dired-with-wildcards
1.963479 36.567932 tramp-test23-visited-file-modtime
1.876228 38.444160 tramp-test22-file-times
1.852284 40.296444 tramp-test16-file-expand-wildcards
1.730722 42.027166 tramp-test15-copy-directory
1.135188 43.162354 tramp-test19-directory-files-and-attributes
1.078174 44.240528 tramp-test38-find-backup-file-name
1.006167 45.246695 tramp-test42-utf8
1.004036 46.250731 tramp-test10-write-region-other-file-name-handler
0.996940 47.247671 tramp-test09-insert-file-contents
0.944423 48.192094 tramp-test25-file-selinux
0.933095 49.125189 tramp-test37-make-auto-save-file-name
0.908471 50.033660 tramp-test35-exec-path
0.897991 50.931651 tramp-test17-insert-directory-one-file
0.875634 51.807285 tramp-test10-write-region-file-precious-flag
0.861186 52.668471 tramp-test17-insert-directory
0.838391 53.506862 tramp-test40-make-nearby-temp-file
0.801203 54.308065 tramp-test14-delete-directory
0.769731 55.077796 tramp-test08-file-local-copy
0.766131 55.843927 tramp-test07-abbreviate-file-name
0.762576 56.606503 tramp-test27-load
0.760911 57.367414 tramp-test24-file-acl
0.734400 58.101814 tramp-test20-file-modes
0.709901 58.811715 tramp-test50-recursive-load
0.695890 59.507605 tramp-test07-file-exists-p
0.651195 60.158800 tramp-test16-directory-files
0.544162 60.702962 tramp-test50-auto-load
0.527978 61.230940 tramp-test13-make-directory
0.501277 61.732217 tramp-test33-environment-variables-and-port-numbers
0.497071 62.229288 tramp-test05-expand-file-name-tilde
0.430337 62.659625 tramp-test44-file-user-group-ids
0.383077 63.042702 tramp-test03-file-name-method-rules
0.382267 63.424969 tramp-test43-file-system-info
0.347812 63.772781 tramp-test06-directory-file-name
0.344546 64.117327 tramp-test46-dired-compress-file
0.328550 64.445877 tramp-test05-expand-file-name-relative
0.326159 64.772036 tramp-test51-without-remote-files
0.279396 65.051432 tramp-test00-availability
0.214185 65.265617 tramp-test50-delay-load
0.208116 65.473733 tramp-test50-remote-load-path
0.179375 65.653108 tramp-test49-external-backend-function
0.166336 65.819444 tramp-test05-expand-file-name-top
0.164565 65.984009 tramp-test46-dired-compress-dir
0.084213 66.068222 tramp-test03-file-name-host-rules
0.079355 66.147577 tramp-test41-special-characters
0.041833 66.189410 tramp-test02-file-name-dissect
0.022243 66.211653 tramp-test01-file-name-syntax
0.018382 66.230035 tramp-test04-substitute-in-file-name
0.015677 66.245712 tramp-test03-file-name-defaults
0.003507 66.249219 tramp-test26-file-name-completion-boundaries
0.000843 66.250062 tramp-test05-expand-file-name
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debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Version: 31.1 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: Hi, >> Should we modify test/Makefile to run all jobs not parallel? That is, >> use the rule >>=20 >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> .NOTPARALLEL: >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > I think that would be too radical. Let people who want that use the > parallel execution, but given the recommendation now on file, we > should perhaps start by asking people who report failures to run the > test without parallelism, and if that makes the problem go away, I > think in most cases we can close the bug right there and then. Finally, I've added the following line to test/Makefile.in: =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- .NOTPARALLEL: lisp/filenotify-tests.log lisp/net/tramp-tests.log =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- This should fix the problem at least for the two packages. If there are other packages with similar problems, we could add them. Closing the bug. Best regards, Michael.
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 80164 Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>, 80164 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: Hi Eli, >> I tried plain 'make check' and the problem does not happen. However, I= =20 >> also tried 'make -j5 check' again and the problem still does not happen= .=20 >> So it seems to be timing-dependent, unfortunately. > > FWIW, I never run the test suite with -jN. It tends to cause false > positives and wastes our collective energy and time on issues that > have nothing to do with the aspects of Emacs that are being tested in > each case. Maybe we should simply say that in test/README, and stop > accepting bug reports about tests that fail only in parallel runs. Well, I've never seen an error I could identify caused by "make -jN". OTOH, on emba the tests run with "make -j \$NPROC". Occasionally, some test jobs do not finish w/o an explanation. Perhaps this is the reason? I've modified test/infra/gitlab-ci.yml to not use this make option. In test/README, there is a respective recommendation now. Pushed to master. Should we modify test/Makefile to run all jobs not parallel? That is, use the rule =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- .NOTPARALLEL: =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Best regards, Michael.
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X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 80164 Cc: 80164 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> writes: Hi Paul, > This is Emacs master commit 65090ec691d9bd82a9ba3bd25756227e0d43bd80 > dated today, running on Fedora 42 x86-64 on an old, slow CPU (an AMD > Phenom II X4 910e, a circa 2010 low-power design). The failure symptom > with "make -j5 check" is in test/lisp/net/tramp-tests.log, a copy of > which I am attaching. > > Perhaps the Tramp tests should have a longer timeout, or maybe run > fewer tests if it discovers the machine is slow. I don't believe it is due to a slow machine. I run tramp-tests.el regularly for over 100 different targets, including remote ones with poor roundtrip times. No problems with this respect. However, occasionally the Tramp tests timeout on emba. I couldn't find a recipe yet how to provoke it. I will try harder to analyze what's up next time. In your case, the test case tramp-test47-read-fingerprint didn't return. Does the problem also happen, if you call "make check"? Best regards, Michael.
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The failure symptom with "make -j5 check" is in test/lisp/net/tramp-tests.log, a copy of which I am attaching. Perhaps the Tramp tests should have a longer timeout, or maybe run fewer tests if it discovers the machine is slow. --------------a0nMXU7wOi7XCcOY3mfnYTOK Content-Type: text/x-log; charset=UTF-8; name="tramp-tests.log" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="tramp-tests.log" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 UnVubmluZyA2MSB0ZXN0cyAoMjAyNi0wMS0wOSAxMTo1NTowOC0wODAwLCBzZWxlY3RvciBg KG5vdCAob3IgKHRhZyA6ZXhwZW5zaXZlLXRlc3QpICh0YWcgOnVuc3RhYmxlKSkpJykKUmVt b3RlIGRpcmVjdG9yeTogYC9tb2NrOjovdG1wLycKICAgcGFzc2VkICAgMS82MSAgdHJhbXAt dGVzdDAwLWF2YWlsYWJpbGl0eSAoMC4yNTM2NzAgc2VjKQogICBwYXNzZWQgICAyLzYxICB0 cmFtcC10ZXN0MDEtZmlsZS1uYW1lLXN5bnRheCAoMC4wMzQ4Nzkgc2VjKQogICBwYXNzZWQg ICAzLzYxICB0cmFtcC10ZXN0MDItZmlsZS1uYW1lLWRpc3NlY3QgKDAuMDc0MjU3IHNlYykK ICAgcGFzc2VkICAgNC82MSAgdHJhbXAtdGVzdDAzLWZpbGUtbmFtZS1kZWZhdWx0cyAoMC4w MTQzMDAgc2VjKQogICBwYXNzZWQgICA1LzYxICB0cmFtcC10ZXN0MDMtZmlsZS1uYW1lLWhv c3QtcnVsZXMgKDAuMDk2MzI2IHNlYykKICAgcGFzc2VkICAgNi82MSAgdHJhbXAtdGVzdDAz 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