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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 7:10=E2=80=AFAM <opensauce04@HIDDEN> wrote: > On 27/05/2026 22:56, Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D wrote: > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > >> Thanks, I hope Rudolf (who submitted the changes in bug#79900) and > >> other macOS users will be able to comment on this change. > > My apologies for replying so late! I have been quite busy lately. > > > > All right, to summarize: > > > > (1) Apple changes the default toolbar style. > > (2) Emacs gets the new style, following Apple defaults. > > (4) Some Emacs disagree with Apple on the new style. > > (5) My patch brings back the original style, Apple be damned. > > (6) Some Emacs users like the new style, as Apple does. > > > > We can either > > > > (A) Revert my patch and align with Apple. > > (B) Add a customization variable. > > > > If we go with (B), what should be the default value? :) > > > > Personally, I am okay with both (A) and (B). > > > > The advantage of (A) is minimal maintenance, where we let Apple > > "improve" their UI, which at this point is advertising FOSS. :) > > > > Rudy > I don't think B is likely to happen; ~5 months ago, this bug > originally began with me proposing patch which implements a > customization value like the one you described, and since then the > email thread has mostly consisted of philosophical discussion over > whether or not it can be included due to macOS's proprietary > nature. The more recent emails seem to pretty solidly imply that it > probably isn't happening. > > If reverting the patch works for you, that would be fantastic. It > would resolve the core objective of me starting this whole thing, > which was to just get things back to how things looked in Emacs 30. > > To whoever here it may concern, who would be responsible for applying > the reversion? Also, seeing as this is a reversion, is Emacs 31 back > on the table for this change? I think it'd be a bit strange to change > the toolbar positioning for a single version only to put it back to > how it was before the version afterwards. > > In any case, hopefully this can soon be finally resolved :^) > I support reverting the change. We can install a user option once the GNU/Linux equivalent is developed and we can achieve parity, hopefully for Emacs 32. --000000000000ec63550652deee09 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 7:10=E2=80=AFAM <<a href=3D"mailto:opensauce04@g= mail.com">opensauce04@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class= =3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st= yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd= ing-left:1ex">On 27/05/2026 22:56, Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D wrote:<br> > Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">el= iz@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> ><br> >> Thanks, I hope Rudolf (who submitted the changes in bug#79900) and= <br> >> other macOS users will be able to comment on this change.<br> > My apologies for replying so late!=C2=A0 I have been quite busy lately= .<br> ><br> > All right, to summarize:<br> ><br> > (1) Apple changes the default toolbar style.<br> > (2) Emacs gets the new style, following Apple defaults.<br> > (4) Some Emacs disagree with Apple on the new style.<br> > (5) My patch brings back the original style, Apple be damned.<br> > (6) Some Emacs users like the new style, as Apple does.<br> ><br> > We can either<br> ><br> > (A) Revert my patch and align with Apple.<br> > (B) Add a customization variable.<br> ><br> > If we go with (B), what should be the default value? :)<br> ><br> > Personally, I am okay with both (A) and (B).<br> ><br> > The advantage of (A) is minimal maintenance, where we let Apple<br> > "improve" their UI, which at this point is advertising FOSS.= :)<br> ><br> > Rudy<br> I don't think B is likely to happen; ~5 months ago, this bug<br> originally began with me proposing patch which implements a<br> customization value like the one you described, and since then the<br> email thread has mostly consisted of philosophical discussion over<br> whether or not it can be included due to macOS's proprietary<br> nature. The more recent emails seem to pretty solidly imply that it<br> probably isn't happening.<br> <br> If reverting the patch works for you, that would be fantastic. It<br> would resolve the core objective of me starting this whole thing,<br> which was to just get things back to how things looked in Emacs 30.<br> <br> To whoever here it may concern, who would be responsible for applying<br> the reversion? Also, seeing as this is a reversion, is Emacs 31 back<br> on the table for this change? I think it'd be a bit strange to change<b= r> the toolbar positioning for a single version only to put it back to<br> how it was before the version afterwards.<br> <br> In any case, hopefully this can soon be finally resolved :^)<br></blockquot= e><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">I support reverting the change.=C2=A0 We can install a user option once = the GNU/Linux equivalent is developed and we can achieve parity,=C2=A0hopef= ully for Emacs 32.<br></div></div></div> --000000000000ec63550652deee09--
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Content preview: On 27/05/2026 22:56, Rudolf Adamkovič wrote: > Eli Zaretskii
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On 27/05/2026 22:56, Rudolf Adamkovič wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Thanks, I hope Rudolf (who submitted the changes in bug#79900) and
>> other macOS users will be able to comment on this change.
> My apologies for replying so late! I have been quite busy lately.
>
> All right, to summarize:
>
> (1) Apple changes the default toolbar style.
> (2) Emacs gets the new style, following Apple defaults.
> (4) Some Emacs disagree with Apple on the new style.
> (5) My patch brings back the original style, Apple be damned.
> (6) Some Emacs users like the new style, as Apple does.
>
> We can either
>
> (A) Revert my patch and align with Apple.
> (B) Add a customization variable.
>
> If we go with (B), what should be the default value? :)
>
> Personally, I am okay with both (A) and (B).
>
> The advantage of (A) is minimal maintenance, where we let Apple
> "improve" their UI, which at this point is advertising FOSS. :)
>
> Rudy
I don't think B is likely to happen; ~5 months ago, this bug
originally began with me proposing patch which implements a
customization value like the one you described, and since then the
email thread has mostly consisted of philosophical discussion over
whether or not it can be included due to macOS's proprietary
nature. The more recent emails seem to pretty solidly imply that it
probably isn't happening.
If reverting the patch works for you, that would be fantastic. It
would resolve the core objective of me starting this whole thing,
which was to just get things back to how things looked in Emacs 30.
To whoever here it may concern, who would be responsible for applying
the reversion? Also, seeing as this is a reversion, is Emacs 31 back
on the table for this change? I think it'd be a bit strange to change
the toolbar positioning for a single version only to put it back to
how it was before the version afterwards.
In any case, hopefully this can soon be finally resolved :^)
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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 80307 Cc: alan@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, luangruo@HIDDEN, dmitry@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Thanks, I hope Rudolf (who submitted the changes in bug#79900) and > other macOS users will be able to comment on this change. My apologies for replying so late! I have been quite busy lately. All right, to summarize: (1) Apple changes the default toolbar style. (2) Emacs gets the new style, following Apple defaults. (4) Some Emacs disagree with Apple on the new style. (5) My patch brings back the original style, Apple be damned. (6) Some Emacs users like the new style, as Apple does. We can either (A) Revert my patch and align with Apple. (B) Add a customization variable. If we go with (B), what should be the default value? :) Personally, I am okay with both (A) and (B). The advantage of (A) is minimal maintenance, where we let Apple "improve" their UI, which at this point is advertising FOSS. :) Rudy --=20 "We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time" --- T. S. Eliot, Little Gidding, Four Quarters, 1943 Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D <rudolf@HIDDEN> [he/him] http://adamkovic.org
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#80307; Package emacs.
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I don't use macOS and don't even have access to such a system, so I cannot make up my mind about the change. > On 14/05/2026 11:57, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 14 May 2026 11:34:53 +0100 > >> Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, alan@HIDDEN, luangruo@HIDDEN, > >> shipmints@HIDDEN, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, > >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > >> From: opensauce04@HIDDEN > >> > >> I don't get the impression that this is likely to go anywhere given > >> the ambiguity over whether or not GTK's functionality is sufficiently > >> equivalent to what's being proposed here, so I decided to investigate > >> what NSWindowToolbarStyleAutomatic was doing on some older macOS > >> versions. > >> > >> As a reminder, on my macOS 26 system, NSWindowToolbarStyleAutomatic > >> resolves to NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified, and that is therefore the > >> style used in Emacs 30. I went on to test Emacs 30 in macOS versions > >> 15.6.1 and 12.6, and on both of those versions this is also the case. > >> > >> While the exact methodology of selection is unclear from > >> documentation, seems from my testing that Unified is consistently > >> chosen when using Emacs 30 on standard setups of the relevant macOS > >> versions. > >> > >> I also managed to track down a video from WWDC20 where it's stated > >> that Unified is the "standard" toolbar style as of macOS 11.0. The > >> video also kind of implies that Expanded may have been the default on > >> macOS 10.15 and earlier, but the relevant code in Emacs doesn't even > >> run unless the macOS version being used is 11.0 or newer, which will > >> be using the Unified style as standard, so that's irrelevant: > >> (https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10104/) > >> > >> ``` > >> #if defined (NS_IMPL_COCOA) && MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000 > >> if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)]) // <-- > >> Always false on macOS <11.0 > >> [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded]; > >> #endif > >> ``` > >> > >> With all of the above, I think it makes all the sense in the world to > >> simply just change the default to NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified instead > >> of using NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded. Precident from Emacs 30 > >> supports it, Apple's description of the toolbar styles supports it, > >> and I don't see any reason not to just use it. > >> > >> If this were the case, I as a user would have no need for the > >> originally proposed configurable option, as my objective was just to > >> restore the look Emacs 30 had. > >> > >> I've attached a patch which makes this simple change, which I have > >> successfully built and tested with. > >> > >> diff --git a/src/nsterm.m b/src/nsterm.m > >> index 2507053f3a1..a3dca213650 100644 > >> --- a/src/nsterm.m > >> +++ b/src/nsterm.m > >> @@ -9829,7 +9829,7 @@ - (instancetype) initWithEmacsFrame: (struct frame *) f > >> may be chosen (which is undesirable). */ > >> #if defined (NS_IMPL_COCOA) && MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000 > >> if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)]) > >> - [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded]; > >> + [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified]; > >> #endif > >> } > > Thanks, I hope Rudolf (who submitted the changes in bug#79900) and > > other macOS users will be able to comment on this change. >
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Content preview: Ping On 14/05/2026 11:57, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 14 May 2026 11:34:53 +0100 >> Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, alan@HIDDEN, luangruo@HIDDEN, >> shipmints@HIDDEN, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN, rms [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (opensauce04[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (opensauce04[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD 'From' gmail.com does not match 'Received' headers -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2a00:1450:4864:20:0:0:0:334 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 80307 Cc: alan@HIDDEN, luangruo@HIDDEN, dmitry@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Ping On 14/05/2026 11:57, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 14 May 2026 11:34:53 +0100 >> Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, alan@HIDDEN, luangruo@HIDDEN, >> shipmints@HIDDEN, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> >> From: opensauce04@HIDDEN >> >> I don't get the impression that this is likely to go anywhere given >> the ambiguity over whether or not GTK's functionality is sufficiently >> equivalent to what's being proposed here, so I decided to investigate >> what NSWindowToolbarStyleAutomatic was doing on some older macOS >> versions. >> >> As a reminder, on my macOS 26 system, NSWindowToolbarStyleAutomatic >> resolves to NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified, and that is therefore the >> style used in Emacs 30. I went on to test Emacs 30 in macOS versions >> 15.6.1 and 12.6, and on both of those versions this is also the case. >> >> While the exact methodology of selection is unclear from >> documentation, seems from my testing that Unified is consistently >> chosen when using Emacs 30 on standard setups of the relevant macOS >> versions. >> >> I also managed to track down a video from WWDC20 where it's stated >> that Unified is the "standard" toolbar style as of macOS 11.0. The >> video also kind of implies that Expanded may have been the default on >> macOS 10.15 and earlier, but the relevant code in Emacs doesn't even >> run unless the macOS version being used is 11.0 or newer, which will >> be using the Unified style as standard, so that's irrelevant: >> (https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10104/) >> >> ``` >> #if defined (NS_IMPL_COCOA) && MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000 >> if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)]) // <-- >> Always false on macOS <11.0 >> [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded]; >> #endif >> ``` >> >> With all of the above, I think it makes all the sense in the world to >> simply just change the default to NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified instead >> of using NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded. Precident from Emacs 30 >> supports it, Apple's description of the toolbar styles supports it, >> and I don't see any reason not to just use it. >> >> If this were the case, I as a user would have no need for the >> originally proposed configurable option, as my objective was just to >> restore the look Emacs 30 had. >> >> I've attached a patch which makes this simple change, which I have >> successfully built and tested with. >> >> diff --git a/src/nsterm.m b/src/nsterm.m >> index 2507053f3a1..a3dca213650 100644 >> --- a/src/nsterm.m >> +++ b/src/nsterm.m >> @@ -9829,7 +9829,7 @@ - (instancetype) initWithEmacsFrame: (struct frame *) f >> may be chosen (which is undesirable). */ >> #if defined (NS_IMPL_COCOA) && MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000 >> if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)]) >> - [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded]; >> + [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified]; >> #endif >> } > Thanks, I hope Rudolf (who submitted the changes in bug#79900) and > other macOS users will be able to comment on this change.
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I went on to test Emacs 30 in macOS versions >> 15.6.1 and 12.6, and on both of those versions this is also the case. >> >> While the exact methodology of selection is unclear from >> documentation, seems from my testing that Unified is consistently >> chosen when using Emacs 30 on standard setups of the relevant macOS >> versions. >> >> I also managed to track down a video from WWDC20 where it's stated >> that Unified is the "standard" toolbar style as of macOS 11.0. The >> video also kind of implies that Expanded may have been the default on >> macOS 10.15 and earlier, but the relevant code in Emacs doesn't even >> run unless the macOS version being used is 11.0 or newer, which will >> be using the Unified style as standard, so that's irrelevant: >> (https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10104/) >> >> ``` >> #if defined (NS_IMPL_COCOA) && MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000 >> if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)]) // <-- >> Always false on macOS <11.0 >> [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded]; >> #endif >> ``` >> >> With all of the above, I think it makes all the sense in the world to >> simply just change the default to NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified instead >> of using NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded. Precident from Emacs 30 >> supports it, Apple's description of the toolbar styles supports it, >> and I don't see any reason not to just use it. >> >> If this were the case, I as a user would have no need for the >> originally proposed configurable option, as my objective was just to >> restore the look Emacs 30 had. >> >> I've attached a patch which makes this simple change, which I have >> successfully built and tested with. >> >> diff --git a/src/nsterm.m b/src/nsterm.m >> index 2507053f3a1..a3dca213650 100644 >> --- a/src/nsterm.m >> +++ b/src/nsterm.m >> @@ -9829,7 +9829,7 @@ - (instancetype) initWithEmacsFrame: (struct frame *) f >> may be chosen (which is undesirable). */ >> #if defined (NS_IMPL_COCOA) && MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000 >> if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)]) >> - [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded]; >> + [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified]; >> #endif >> } > > Thanks, I hope Rudolf (who submitted the changes in bug#79900) and > other macOS users will be able to comment on this change. I wasn't the original submitter, I just reported that the patch that changed the behavior to a non-standard one (expanded vs unified) compiled and ran successfully. (But maybe I'm the wrong Rudolf?) Personally, I'd like to see the unified (standard) toolbar as in Emacs 30 rather than the non-standard one that's currently implemented.
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Full text available.Received: (at 80307) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2026 10:58:15 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 14 06:58:15 2026 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35383 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1wNTlf-0001hL-5v for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2026 06:58:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34066) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1wNTlb-0001h8-84 for 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2026 06:58:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1wNTlV-0008Vp-3x; Thu, 14 May 2026 06:58:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=pwIiswzJR2QOhUKQzO4oXgV2lbzlmUh9aiV3+DW1VMQ=; b=rym9WOwKLo4zhUy1HtLg /Ak+jhYZCrYkuvW9HoqBCuVVN52adAH5Zx+TevBpQ4tZVNzdixlXr2AJtFH78qPzjpswhIEoMH1VW YzWUYzBhl3PPtARdSjdkb+rAWPVrk3kv5e0hazsKUTQ4vKniFcbekzNy7y36FxvGLAaRob3DJYYQO V78iAVcQ2YjC8s16SARyy8//TXrRIDDAIKkB7hhQqCb1bN6NZM3oC8IVcGgdN12IivSnjj/XQo7ft H77/ggELxmyEpxt+HQIO+AKpHh0MvLZVCT6pESsYnWUfCVwMGsUPQhSOx+jZ918FvPmEVh6ztvCnu 82dMU0nmxm7mSA==; Date: Thu, 14 May 2026 13:57:54 +0300 Message-Id: <86h5oa8dhp.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: opensauce04@HIDDEN, Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= <rudolf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <8fa9d72d-b3e6-4bb7-b0ab-380b160f60c4@HIDDEN> (opensauce04@HIDDEN) Subject: Re: bug#80307: Add ns-toolbar-style frame parameter on macOS References: <a2ed9095-e014-4902-90a5-9329a5f17297@HIDDEN> <86a4xs4xl3.fsf@HIDDEN> <73b73b62-155a-48f5-afc0-ab401f721372@HIDDEN> <86ikcf2uu4.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqrLO44574kZnuum0K=O3o4f50m+8DT_N8puTQ+bMo7ng@HIDDEN> <86qzr318md.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbpgkdCf1fAvRwLCqkfbR2JjZLQ-Xh_DzCNqJ4M5YtVF5A@HIDDEN> <86o6m714wp.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbpvB0txw-o7=6PbPqaUpXSH2zF+PCjsBtkwG6ohF6tPYw@HIDDEN> <86ms1r13bt.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ecmnpm6y.fsf@HIDDEN> <4f3c4e22-f655-4eab-8d8f-99fa040def6e@HIDDEN> <865x7m9igt.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jyvx2eq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <86qzpmafda.fsf@HIDDEN> <86mrzstjue.fsf@HIDDEN> <7AB72FAF-6273-42BE-8375-256DDB3D7B34@HIDDEN> <865x4s2871.fsf@HIDDEN> <2b3ef8da-effc-41fc-8816-bf67ddac35a1@HIDDEN> <86jyt8zf79.fsf@HIDDEN> <9fb1b26c-a730-4716-959d-d4ead3268e30@HIDDEN> <86a4u3zhf4.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1wNN1N-0001Dr-CN@HIDDEN> <8fa9d72d-b3e6-4bb7-b0ab-380b160f60c4@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 80307 Cc: alan@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, luangruo@HIDDEN, dmitry@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 14 May 2026 11:34:53 +0100 > Cc: dmitry@HIDDEN, alan@HIDDEN, luangruo@HIDDEN, > shipmints@HIDDEN, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > From: opensauce04@HIDDEN > > I don't get the impression that this is likely to go anywhere given > the ambiguity over whether or not GTK's functionality is sufficiently > equivalent to what's being proposed here, so I decided to investigate > what NSWindowToolbarStyleAutomatic was doing on some older macOS > versions. > > As a reminder, on my macOS 26 system, NSWindowToolbarStyleAutomatic > resolves to NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified, and that is therefore the > style used in Emacs 30. I went on to test Emacs 30 in macOS versions > 15.6.1 and 12.6, and on both of those versions this is also the case. > > While the exact methodology of selection is unclear from > documentation, seems from my testing that Unified is consistently > chosen when using Emacs 30 on standard setups of the relevant macOS > versions. > > I also managed to track down a video from WWDC20 where it's stated > that Unified is the "standard" toolbar style as of macOS 11.0. The > video also kind of implies that Expanded may have been the default on > macOS 10.15 and earlier, but the relevant code in Emacs doesn't even > run unless the macOS version being used is 11.0 or newer, which will > be using the Unified style as standard, so that's irrelevant: > (https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10104/) > > ``` > #if defined (NS_IMPL_COCOA) && MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000 > if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)]) // <-- > Always false on macOS <11.0 > [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded]; > #endif > ``` > > With all of the above, I think it makes all the sense in the world to > simply just change the default to NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified instead > of using NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded. Precident from Emacs 30 > supports it, Apple's description of the toolbar styles supports it, > and I don't see any reason not to just use it. > > If this were the case, I as a user would have no need for the > originally proposed configurable option, as my objective was just to > restore the look Emacs 30 had. > > I've attached a patch which makes this simple change, which I have > successfully built and tested with. > > diff --git a/src/nsterm.m b/src/nsterm.m > index 2507053f3a1..a3dca213650 100644 > --- a/src/nsterm.m > +++ b/src/nsterm.m > @@ -9829,7 +9829,7 @@ - (instancetype) initWithEmacsFrame: (struct frame *) f > may be chosen (which is undesirable). */ > #if defined (NS_IMPL_COCOA) && MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000 > if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)]) > - [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded]; > + [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified]; > #endif > } Thanks, I hope Rudolf (who submitted the changes in bug#79900) and other macOS users will be able to comment on this change.
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Content preview: I don't get the impression that this is likely to go anywhere given the ambiguity over whether or not GTK's functionality is sufficiently equivalent to what's being proposed here, so I decided to inve [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (opensauce04[at]gmail.com) 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (opensauce04[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.0 FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD 'From' gmail.com does not match 'Received' headers -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2a00:1450:4864:20:0:0:0:32d listed in] [list.dnswl.org] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 80307 Cc: alan@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, luangruo@HIDDEN, dmitry@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------OpracwPzczdj21RTHlPkJMHJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't get the impression that this is likely to go anywhere given the ambiguity over whether or not GTK's functionality is sufficiently equivalent to what's being proposed here, so I decided to investigate what NSWindowToolbarStyleAutomatic was doing on some older macOS versions. As a reminder, on my macOS 26 system, NSWindowToolbarStyleAutomatic resolves to NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified, and that is therefore the style used in Emacs 30. I went on to test Emacs 30 in macOS versions 15.6.1 and 12.6, and on both of those versions this is also the case. While the exact methodology of selection is unclear from documentation, seems from my testing that Unified is consistently chosen when using Emacs 30 on standard setups of the relevant macOS versions. I also managed to track down a video from WWDC20 where it's stated that Unified is the "standard" toolbar style as of macOS 11.0. The video also kind of implies that Expanded may have been the default on macOS 10.15 and earlier, but the relevant code in Emacs doesn't even run unless the macOS version being used is 11.0 or newer, which will be using the Unified style as standard, so that's irrelevant: (https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10104/) ``` #if defined (NS_IMPL_COCOA) && MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000 if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)]) // <-- Always false on macOS <11.0 [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded]; #endif ``` With all of the above, I think it makes all the sense in the world to simply just change the default to NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified instead of using NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded. Precident from Emacs 30 supports it, Apple's description of the toolbar styles supports it, and I don't see any reason not to just use it. If this were the case, I as a user would have no need for the originally proposed configurable option, as my objective was just to restore the look Emacs 30 had. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 80307 Cc: alan@HIDDEN, luangruo@HIDDEN, opensauce04@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 13/05/2026 14:18, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > AFAIU, this is contrary to the GNU guidance in these cases: even if a > non-free platform has some native feature that can be easily used from > Emacs, we don't install features in Emacs that rely on that as long as > something equivalent is not implemented on free systems. Yes, I remember, and also the reasoning behind it. There might be some leeway in how to interpret the "feature" part of the addition. The toolbar placement and look would be slightly different between platforms anyway. Would being able to move it to near the title only on macOS result in more Emacs users going to the non-free platform? The odds are low.
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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 80307 Cc: alan@HIDDEN, luangruo@HIDDEN, opensauce04@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 12/05/2026 20:54, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I know. I asked your opinion on the GTK feature that is said to be > equivalent. Is it really equivalent, in your opinion? Ah. Maybe not. But we should see to which extent it's feasible to do in GTK - and if some values make sense to add for the GTK environment, sure. But we could label the feature as "tool bar placement styles native to the desktop environment", so we'd support that to the extent that the toolkit encourages. (I'll try to find the time soon for the GTK side, but IIUC this addition isn't going into make it to 31.1 due to the feature lock anyway.)
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Tue, 12 May 2026 12:06:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <a2ed9095-e014-4902-90a5-9329a5f17297@HIDDEN> <86a4xs4xl3.fsf@HIDDEN> <73b73b62-155a-48f5-afc0-ab401f721372@HIDDEN> <86ikcf2uu4.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqrLO44574kZnuum0K=O3o4f50m+8DT_N8puTQ+bMo7ng@HIDDEN> <86qzr318md.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbpgkdCf1fAvRwLCqkfbR2JjZLQ-Xh_DzCNqJ4M5YtVF5A@HIDDEN> <86o6m714wp.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbpvB0txw-o7=6PbPqaUpXSH2zF+PCjsBtkwG6ohF6tPYw@HIDDEN> <86ms1r13bt.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ecmnpm6y.fsf@HIDDEN> <4f3c4e22-f655-4eab-8d8f-99fa040def6e@HIDDEN> <865x7m9igt.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jyvx2eq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <86qzpmafda.fsf@HIDDEN> <86mrzstjue.fsf@HIDDEN> <7AB72FAF-6273-42BE-8375-256DDB3D7B34@HIDDEN> <865x4s2871.fsf@HIDDEN> <2b3ef8da-effc-41fc-8816-bf67ddac35a1@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo-4nBc8KJGehKDiBNA5gDWGZiMyLMFZfcqs_1RFzwdYw@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbp9b-dunXgoGjVY+N8Gg3VPBxKwaNORM9o3q-uFCdNWvw@HIDDEN> <86h5oczeww.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <86h5oczeww.fsf@HIDDEN> From: =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane_Marks?= <shipmints@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 12 May 2026 15:06:30 -0400 X-Gm-Features: AVHnY4Li6R8bBEulMFAP7rgi3hb5JCAS_v1QNLTNyqc7BzzZqRCs13E2amLrJyU Message-ID: <CAN+1HbqnxzwQpA=z6TvJ9Ce2zsYy1rJ0rgDA_st_aKsvcALb8w@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#80307: Add ns-toolbar-style frame parameter on macOS To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 2:01=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: St=C3=A9phane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN> > > Date: Tue, 12 May 2026 13:02:46 -0400 > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, "opensauce04@HIDDEN" < > opensauce04@HIDDEN>, Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN>, > > luangruo@HIDDEN, waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN, > 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > I took a quick look at the patch. Setting aside nits on the patch > itself, I don't see the GTK support that would be > > needed to achieve "free" system parity. Is that required to get a patc= h > applied for NS or can we do NS first and > > then GTK assuming we can design the 'toolbar-style' domain to be > applicable to begin with rather than have > > new legacy. > > If GTK already has something equivalent, we can install the NS patch. > Failing that, the equivalent feature on free platforms will have to be > either part of the patch or a separate patch installed before the NS > one. > If Dmitry is free to do the GTK work, I'll shepherd the NS work. I'm not really set up with GTK these days. --0000000000005289ce0651a3903b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 2:01=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto= :eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class=3D"= gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding= -left:1ex">> From: St=C3=A9phane Marks <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@g= mail.com" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Tue, 12 May 2026 13:02:46 -0400<br> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank= ">eliz@HIDDEN</a>>, "<a href=3D"mailto:opensauce04@HIDDEN" targ= et=3D"_blank">opensauce04@HIDDEN</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:opensau= ce04@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">opensauce04@HIDDEN</a>>, Alan Third= <<a href=3D"mailto:alan@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">alan@HIDDEN</= a>>, <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:luangruo@HIDDEN" target= =3D"_blank">luangruo@HIDDEN</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:waylandthrowaway@gmai= l.com" target=3D"_blank">waylandthrowaway@HIDDEN</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:= 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a><br> > <br> > I took a quick look at the patch.=C2=A0 Setting aside nits on the patc= h itself, I don't see the GTK support that would be<br> > needed to achieve "free" system parity.=C2=A0 Is that requir= ed to get a patch applied for NS or can we do NS first and<br> > then GTK assuming we can design the 'toolbar-style' domain to = be applicable to begin with rather than have<br> > new legacy.<br> <br> If GTK already has something equivalent, we can install the NS patch.<br> Failing that, the equivalent feature on free platforms will have to be<br> either part of the patch or a separate patch installed before the NS<br> one.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f= ont-family:monospace">If Dmitry is free to do the GTK work, I'll shephe= rd the NS work. I'm not really set up with GTK these days.</div></div><= /div> --0000000000005289ce0651a3903b--
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 12:21=E2=80=AFPM St=C3=A9phane Marks <shipmints@gma= il.com> wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 12:14=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> = wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 12/05/2026 14:12, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> I'd really prefer for this to be resolved one way or the other before >> Emacs 31 releases, whether that be via a configurable value or just >> changing the current behaviour to mirror Emacs 30. >> > We need someone with access to and knowledge of macOS to review this >> > and comment. Maybe Alan and Dmitry could help us. >> > >> > I'm still not convinced that the GTK feature pointed to below is >> > similar enough to what you suggest for macOS to accept this, but I >> > will yield to macOS experts. >> >> I'm not really an authority on the NS side of things, sorry. >> >> Stephane (who is in this thread already) has done a bunch of >> improvements in this area lately, for code review we can just ask him, I >> think. >> > > No problem. I agree with the analysis that GTK has similar features, > yes. I will look at the patch later. > I took a quick look at the patch. Setting aside nits on the patch itself, I don't see the GTK support that would be needed to achieve "free" system parity. Is that required to get a patch applied for NS or can we do NS first and then GTK assuming we can design the 'toolbar-style' domain to be applicable to begin with rather than have new legacy. --000000000000c38a270651a1d58a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 12:21=E2=80=AFPM St=C3=A9phane Marks <<a href=3D= "mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div= ></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg= b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div sty= le=3D"font-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,san= s-serif">On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 12:14=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Gutov <<a href= =3D"mailto:dmitry@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">dmitry@HIDDEN</a>> wro= te:</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail= _quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204= ,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br> <br> On 12/05/2026 14:12, Eli Zaretskii wrote:<br> >> I'd really prefer for this to be resolved one way or the other= before Emacs 31 releases, whether that be via a configurable value or just= changing the current behaviour to mirror Emacs 30.<br> > We need someone with access to and knowledge of macOS to review this<b= r> > and comment.=C2=A0 Maybe Alan and Dmitry could help us.<br> > <br> > I'm still not convinced that the GTK feature pointed to below is<b= r> > similar enough to what you suggest for macOS to accept this, but I<br> > will yield to macOS experts.<br> <br> I'm not really an authority on the NS side of things, sorry.<br> <br> Stephane (who is in this thread already) has done a bunch of <br> improvements in this area lately, for code review we can just ask him, I <b= r> think.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:monospace">= No problem.=C2=A0 I agree with the analysis that GTK has similar features, = yes.=C2=A0 I will look at the patch later.</div></div></div></blockquote><d= iv><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I= took a quick look at the patch.=C2=A0 Setting aside nits on the patch itse= lf, I don't see the GTK support that would be needed to achieve "f= ree" system parity.=C2=A0 Is that required to get a patch applied for = NS or can we do NS first and then GTK assuming we can design the 'toolb= ar-style' domain to be applicable to begin with rather than have new le= gacy.</div></div></div> --000000000000c38a270651a1d58a--
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 12:14=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> wr= ote: > Hi, > > On 12/05/2026 14:12, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> I'd really prefer for this to be resolved one way or the other before > Emacs 31 releases, whether that be via a configurable value or just > changing the current behaviour to mirror Emacs 30. > > We need someone with access to and knowledge of macOS to review this > > and comment. Maybe Alan and Dmitry could help us. > > > > I'm still not convinced that the GTK feature pointed to below is > > similar enough to what you suggest for macOS to accept this, but I > > will yield to macOS experts. > > I'm not really an authority on the NS side of things, sorry. > > Stephane (who is in this thread already) has done a bunch of > improvements in this area lately, for code review we can just ask him, I > think. > No problem. I agree with the analysis that GTK has similar features, yes. I will look at the patch later. --000000000000650dfe0651a1422f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 12:14=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Gutov <<a href=3D"mailto= :dmitry@HIDDEN">dmitry@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div c= lass=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote= " style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);= padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br> <br> On 12/05/2026 14:12, Eli Zaretskii wrote:<br> >> I'd really prefer for this to be resolved one way or the other= before Emacs 31 releases, whether that be via a configurable value or just= changing the current behaviour to mirror Emacs 30.<br> > We need someone with access to and knowledge of macOS to review this<b= r> > and comment.=C2=A0 Maybe Alan and Dmitry could help us.<br> > <br> > I'm still not convinced that the GTK feature pointed to below is<b= r> > similar enough to what you suggest for macOS to accept this, but I<br> > will yield to macOS experts.<br> <br> I'm not really an authority on the NS side of things, sorry.<br> <br> Stephane (who is in this thread already) has done a bunch of <br> improvements in this area lately, for code review we can just ask him, I <b= r> think.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D= "font-family:monospace">No problem.=C2=A0 I agree with the analysis that GT= K has similar features, yes.=C2=A0 I will look at the patch later.</div></d= iv></div> --000000000000650dfe0651a1422f--
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Maybe Alan and Dmitry could help us. > > I'm still not convinced that the GTK feature pointed to below is > similar enough to what you suggest for macOS to accept this, but I > will yield to macOS experts. I'm not really an authority on the NS side of things, sorry. Stephane (who is in this thread already) has done a bunch of improvements in this area lately, for code review we can just ask him, I think.
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On 02/02/2026 17:37, Stéphane Marks wrote:
> > GTK support some toolbar styling albeit different than NS/macOS
> options
> > https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/enum.ToolbarStyle.html <https://
> docs.gtk.org/gtk3/enum.ToolbarStyle.html> I did not look to see if
> this API is exposed to ELisp or not.
>
> We support this, see gtkutil.c. But I'm not sure this is similar
> enough, it only affects how the tool-bar buttons are shown. We need a
> capability to control whether t6he GTK tool bar is aligned to left,
> right, centered, or some other arrangement relative to the Emacs
> frame.
>
>
> I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself
> doesn't support the precise set of values as NS/macOS:
>
> static void
> xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
> {
> xp_output *x = f->output_data.xp;
> bool into_hbox = EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
> GtkWidget *top_widget = x->toolbar_widget;
>
> gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
> into_hbox
> ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
> : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
This is the handling of the variable tool-bar-position, which as documented:
... This option takes effect only on graphical frames, the values
‘left’ and ‘right’ only if Emacs was built with GTK
Speaking of closest counter-parts to NSWindow.ToolbarStyle, it seems GTK
can achieve something like that using GtkHeaderBar:
https://developer.gnome.org/hig/patterns/containers/header-bars.html
https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/method.Window.set_titlebar.html
I'm not particularly an expert; it's a suggestion to experiment.
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> Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 20:39:02 +0100
> From: "opensauce04@HIDDEN" <opensauce04@HIDDEN>
> CC: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
>
> Hey, so any update on this?
>
> I'd really prefer for this to be resolved one way or the other before Emacs 31 releases, whether that be via a configurable value or just changing the current behaviour to mirror Emacs 30.
We need someone with access to and knowledge of macOS to review this
and comment. Maybe Alan and Dmitry could help us.
I'm still not convinced that the GTK feature pointed to below is
similar enough to what you suggest for macOS to accept this, but I
will yield to macOS experts.
> On 28 March 2026 08:54:33 GMT, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> >Ping! Ping! Ping! Po Lu, please chime in.
> >
> >> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2026 12:13:05 +0200
> >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> >>
> >> Ping! Ping! Po Lu, please respond.
> >>
> >> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> >> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2026 15:13:26 +0200
> >> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> >> >
> >> > Ping! Po Lu, please chime in.
> >> >
> >> > > Cc: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> >> > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 19:09:22 +0200
> >> > > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> >> > >
> >> > > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:25:24 +0000
> >> > > > Cc: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> >> > > > From: opensauce04@HIDDEN
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >> > > > >> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2026 19:07:50 +0200
> >> > > > >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>> From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> >> > > > >>> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:51:40 -0500
> >> > > > >>> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 11:33 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> > From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> >> > > > >>> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500
> >> > > > >>> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >> > > > >>> >
> >> > > > >>> > I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doesn't support the precise set of
> >> > > > >>> values as
> >> > > > >>> > NS/macOS:
> >> > > > >>> >
> >> > > > >>> > static void
> >> > > > >>> > xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
> >> > > > >>> > {
> >> > > > >>> > xp_output *x = f->output_data.xp;
> >> > > > >>> > bool into_hbox = EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
> >> > > > >>> > GtkWidget *top_widget = x->toolbar_widget;
> >> > > > >>> >
> >> > > > >>> > gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
> >> > > > >>> > into_hbox
> >> > > > >>> > ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
> >> > > > >>> > : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if
> >> > > > >>> someone explains what this does/allows, we could discuss whether it is
> >> > > > >>> close enough to what the OP suggested for macOS.
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> I tried to find a picture on the web but came up short. I'm no GTK expert. Perhaps Po Lu could be of some
> >> > > > >>> assitance here.
> >> > > > >> If we add him to the discussion. Done.
> >> > > > > Po Lu, any comments or suggestions regarding this?
> >> > > > What should we do if this person doesn't respond? Change the default?
> >> > > > Add the config option?
> >> > >
> >> > > We should wait for him to respond. Or for some other expert on this
> >> > > to review the patch.
>
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Hey, so any update on this?
I'd really prefer for this to be resolved one way or the other before Emac=
s 31 releases, whether that be via a configurable value or just changing th=
e current behaviour to mirror Emacs 30=2E
On 28 March 2026 08:54:33 GMT, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg> wrote:
>Ping! Ping! Ping! Po Lu, please chime in=2E
>
>> Cc: opensauce04@gmail=2Ecom, 80307@debbugs=2Egnu=2Eorg, shipmints@gmail=
=2Ecom
>> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2026 12:13:05 +0200
>> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg>
>>=20
>> Ping! Ping! Po Lu, please respond=2E
>>=20
>> > Cc: opensauce04@gmail=2Ecom, 80307@debbugs=2Egnu=2Eorg, shipmints@gma=
il=2Ecom
>> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2026 15:13:26 +0200
>> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg>
>> >=20
>> > Ping! Po Lu, please chime in=2E
>> >=20
>> > > Cc: 80307@debbugs=2Egnu=2Eorg, shipmints@gmail=2Ecom
>> > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 19:09:22 +0200
>> > > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg>
>> > >=20
>> > > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:25:24 +0000
>> > > > Cc: 80307@debbugs=2Egnu=2Eorg, shipmints@gmail=2Ecom
>> > > > From: opensauce04@gmail=2Ecom
>> > > >=20
>> > > > >> Cc: opensauce04@gmail=2Ecom, 80307@debbugs=2Egnu=2Eorg
>> > > > >> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2026 19:07:50 +0200
>> > > > >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>> From: St=C3=A9phane Marks <shipmints@gmail=2Ecom>
>> > > > >>> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:51:40 -0500
>> > > > >>> Cc: opensauce04@gmail=2Ecom, 80307@debbugs=2Egnu=2Eorg
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 11:33=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@g=
nu=2Eorg> wrote:
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > From: St=C3=A9phane Marks <shipmints@gmail=2Ecom>
>> > > > >>> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500
>> > > > >>> > Cc: opensauce04@gmail=2Ecom, 80307@debbugs=2Egnu=2Eorg
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since G=
TK itself doesn't support the precise set of
>> > > > >>> values as
>> > > > >>> > NS/macOS:
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > static void
>> > > > >>> > xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
>> > > > >>> > {
>> > > > >>> > xp_output *x =3D f->output_data=2Exp;
>> > > > >>> > bool into_hbox =3D EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
>> > > > >>> > GtkWidget *top_widget =3D x->toolbar_widget;
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->tool=
bar_widget),
>> > > > >>> > into_hbox
>> > > > >>> > ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTI=
CAL
>> > > > >>> > : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZ=
ONTAL);
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), bu=
t if
>> > > > >>> someone explains what this does/allows, we could discuss wh=
ether it is
>> > > > >>> close enough to what the OP suggested for macOS=2E
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> I tried to find a picture on the web but came up short=2E I'm=
no GTK expert=2E Perhaps Po Lu could be of some
>> > > > >>> assitance here=2E
>> > > > >> If we add him to the discussion=2E Done=2E
>> > > > > Po Lu, any comments or suggestions regarding this?
>> > > > What should we do if this person doesn't respond? Change the defa=
ult?=20
>> > > > Add the config option?
>> > >=20
>> > > We should wait for him to respond=2E Or for some other expert on t=
his
>> > > to review the patch=2E
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Ping! Ping! Ping! Po Lu, please chime in.
> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2026 12:13:05 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
>
> Ping! Ping! Po Lu, please respond.
>
> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2026 15:13:26 +0200
> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> >
> > Ping! Po Lu, please chime in.
> >
> > > Cc: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 19:09:22 +0200
> > > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:25:24 +0000
> > > > Cc: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> > > > From: opensauce04@HIDDEN
> > > >
> > > > >> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > > > >> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2026 19:07:50 +0200
> > > > >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > > > >>> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:51:40 -0500
> > > > >>> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 11:33 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > > > >>> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500
> > > > >>> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doesn't support the precise set of
> > > > >>> values as
> > > > >>> > NS/macOS:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > static void
> > > > >>> > xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
> > > > >>> > {
> > > > >>> > xp_output *x = f->output_data.xp;
> > > > >>> > bool into_hbox = EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
> > > > >>> > GtkWidget *top_widget = x->toolbar_widget;
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
> > > > >>> > into_hbox
> > > > >>> > ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
> > > > >>> > : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if
> > > > >>> someone explains what this does/allows, we could discuss whether it is
> > > > >>> close enough to what the OP suggested for macOS.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I tried to find a picture on the web but came up short. I'm no GTK expert. Perhaps Po Lu could be of some
> > > > >>> assitance here.
> > > > >> If we add him to the discussion. Done.
> > > > > Po Lu, any comments or suggestions regarding this?
> > > > What should we do if this person doesn't respond? Change the default?
> > > > Add the config option?
> > >
> > > We should wait for him to respond. Or for some other expert on this
> > > to review the patch.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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If macOS users in general = agree >> that the current default is not the best one, I see now reason not to >> change the default. But supporting user-defined control of the >> behavior is a different matter. > >> What matters for us in this case are the user-facing features and >> capabilities, not the software mechanisms used by the implementation. > > > I still believe that giving the user a choice in the matter would be = ideal to > avoid the inevitable bikeshedding that I can foresee resulting from = this > conversation, but if that truly isn't an option, then I suppose I = personally > wouldn't be bothered if the appearance was changed back to how I = experienced it > on my system in Emacs 30. > I just filed bug#80679 that requested a reversion to the NS 30 title and toolbar layout. While making this configurable would be a nice to have, I think that is separable from the change in UI layout. =E2=80=94 Charles Y. Choi, Ph.D. kickingvegas@HIDDEN
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Ping! Ping! Po Lu, please respond.
> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2026 15:13:26 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
>
> Ping! Po Lu, please chime in.
>
> > Cc: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 19:09:22 +0200
> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:25:24 +0000
> > > Cc: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> > > From: opensauce04@HIDDEN
> > >
> > > >> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > > >> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2026 19:07:50 +0200
> > > >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> > > >>
> > > >>> From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > > >>> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:51:40 -0500
> > > >>> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 11:33 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > > >>> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500
> > > >>> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doesn't support the precise set of
> > > >>> values as
> > > >>> > NS/macOS:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > static void
> > > >>> > xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
> > > >>> > {
> > > >>> > xp_output *x = f->output_data.xp;
> > > >>> > bool into_hbox = EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
> > > >>> > GtkWidget *top_widget = x->toolbar_widget;
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
> > > >>> > into_hbox
> > > >>> > ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
> > > >>> > : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if
> > > >>> someone explains what this does/allows, we could discuss whether it is
> > > >>> close enough to what the OP suggested for macOS.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I tried to find a picture on the web but came up short. I'm no GTK expert. Perhaps Po Lu could be of some
> > > >>> assitance here.
> > > >> If we add him to the discussion. Done.
> > > > Po Lu, any comments or suggestions regarding this?
> > > What should we do if this person doesn't respond? Change the default?
> > > Add the config option?
> >
> > We should wait for him to respond. Or for some other expert on this
> > to review the patch.
> >
> >
> >
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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN>
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Subject: Re: bug#80307: Add ns-toolbar-style frame parameter on macOS
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Ping! Po Lu, please chime in.
> Cc: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 19:09:22 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:25:24 +0000
> > Cc: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN
> > From: opensauce04@HIDDEN
> >
> > >> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > >> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2026 19:07:50 +0200
> > >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> > >>
> > >>> From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > >>> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:51:40 -0500
> > >>> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 11:33 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > >>> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500
> > >>> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doesn't support the precise set of
> > >>> values as
> > >>> > NS/macOS:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > static void
> > >>> > xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
> > >>> > {
> > >>> > xp_output *x = f->output_data.xp;
> > >>> > bool into_hbox = EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
> > >>> > GtkWidget *top_widget = x->toolbar_widget;
> > >>> >
> > >>> > gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
> > >>> > into_hbox
> > >>> > ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
> > >>> > : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if
> > >>> someone explains what this does/allows, we could discuss whether it is
> > >>> close enough to what the OP suggested for macOS.
> > >>>
> > >>> I tried to find a picture on the web but came up short. I'm no GTK expert. Perhaps Po Lu could be of some
> > >>> assitance here.
> > >> If we add him to the discussion. Done.
> > > Po Lu, any comments or suggestions regarding this?
> > What should we do if this person doesn't respond? Change the default?
> > Add the config option?
>
> We should wait for him to respond. Or for some other expert on this
> to review the patch.
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:25:24 +0000
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>
> >> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2026 19:07:50 +0200
> >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> >>
> >>> From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> >>> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:51:40 -0500
> >>> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 11:33 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> >>> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500
> >>> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >>> >
> >>> > I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doesn't support the precise set of
> >>> values as
> >>> > NS/macOS:
> >>> >
> >>> > static void
> >>> > xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
> >>> > {
> >>> > xp_output *x = f->output_data.xp;
> >>> > bool into_hbox = EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
> >>> > GtkWidget *top_widget = x->toolbar_widget;
> >>> >
> >>> > gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
> >>> > into_hbox
> >>> > ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
> >>> > : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
> >>>
> >>> I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if
> >>> someone explains what this does/allows, we could discuss whether it is
> >>> close enough to what the OP suggested for macOS.
> >>>
> >>> I tried to find a picture on the web but came up short. I'm no GTK expert. Perhaps Po Lu could be of some
> >>> assitance here.
> >> If we add him to the discussion. Done.
> > Po Lu, any comments or suggestions regarding this?
> What should we do if this person doesn't respond? Change the default?
> Add the config option?
We should wait for him to respond. Or for some other expert on this
to review the patch.
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>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 11:33 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
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>>> > From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
>>> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500
>>> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>> >
>>> > I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doesn't support the precise set of
>>> values as
>>> > NS/macOS:
>>> >
>>> > static void
>>> > xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
>>> > {
>>> > xp_output *x = f->output_data.xp;
>>> > bool into_hbox = EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
>>> > GtkWidget *top_widget = x->toolbar_widget;
>>> >
>>> > gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
>>> > into_hbox
>>> > ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
>>> > : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
>>>
>>> I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if
>>> someone explains what this does/allows, we could discuss whether it is
>>> close enough to what the OP suggested for macOS.
>>>
>>> I tried to find a picture on the web but came up short. I'm no GTK expert. Perhaps Po Lu could be of some
>>> assitance here.
>> If we add him to the discussion. Done.
> Po Lu, any comments or suggestions regarding this?
What should we do if this person doesn't respond? Change the default?
Add the config option?
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> Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2026 19:07:50 +0200
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>
> > From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:51:40 -0500
> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 11:33 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500
> > > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > >
> > > I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doesn't support the precise set of
> > values as
> > > NS/macOS:
> > >
> > > static void
> > > xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
> > > {
> > > xp_output *x = f->output_data.xp;
> > > bool into_hbox = EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
> > > GtkWidget *top_widget = x->toolbar_widget;
> > >
> > > gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
> > > into_hbox
> > > ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
> > > : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
> >
> > I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if
> > someone explains what this does/allows, we could discuss whether it is
> > close enough to what the OP suggested for macOS.
> >
> > I tried to find a picture on the web but came up short. I'm no GTK expert. Perhaps Po Lu could be of some
> > assitance here.
>
> If we add him to the discussion. Done.
Po Lu, any comments or suggestions regarding this?
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> From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 11:51:40 -0500
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>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 11:33 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
> > From: Stéphane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500
> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doesn't support the precise set of
> values as
> > NS/macOS:
> >
> > static void
> > xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
> > {
> > xp_output *x = f->output_data.xp;
> > bool into_hbox = EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
> > GtkWidget *top_widget = x->toolbar_widget;
> >
> > gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
> > into_hbox
> > ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
> > : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
>
> I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if
> someone explains what this does/allows, we could discuss whether it is
> close enough to what the OP suggested for macOS.
>
> I tried to find a picture on the web but came up short. I'm no GTK expert. Perhaps Po Lu could be of some
> assitance here.
If we add him to the discussion. Done.
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On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 11:33=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > From: St=C3=A9phane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500
> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself
> doesn't support the precise set of values as
> > NS/macOS:
> >
> > static void
> > xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
> > {
> > xp_output *x =3D f->output_data.xp;
> > bool into_hbox =3D EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
> > GtkWidget *top_widget =3D x->toolbar_widget;
> >
> > gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
> > into_hbox
> > ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
> > : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
>
> I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if
> someone explains what this does/allows, we could discuss whether it is
> close enough to what the OP suggested for macOS.
>
I tried to find a picture on the web but came up short. I'm no GTK expert.
Perhaps Po Lu could be of some assitance here.
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> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:37:00 -0500<br>
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> <br>
> I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doe=
sn't support the precise set of values as<br>
> NS/macOS:<br>
> <br>
> static void<br>
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> {<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0xp_output *x =3D f->output_data.xp;<br>
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I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if<br>
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> I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doesn't support the precise set of values as
> NS/macOS:
>
> static void
> xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
> {
> xp_output *x = f->output_data.xp;
> bool into_hbox = EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
> GtkWidget *top_widget = x->toolbar_widget;
>
> gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
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I don't know what that means (I know nothing about GTK), but if
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On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 10:13=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > From: St=C3=A9phane Marks <shipmints@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 09:50:59 -0500
> > Cc: opensauce04@HIDDEN, 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > GTK support some toolbar styling albeit different than NS/macOS options
> > https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/enum.ToolbarStyle.html I did not look to see
> if this API is exposed to ELisp or not.
>
> We support this, see gtkutil.c. But I'm not sure this is similar
> enough, it only affects how the tool-bar buttons are shown. We need a
> capability to control whether t6he GTK tool bar is aligned to left,
> right, centered, or some other arrangement relative to the Emacs
> frame.
>
I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog since GTK itself doesn't
support the precise set of values as NS/macOS:
static void
xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)
{
xp_output *x =3D f->output_data.xp;
bool into_hbox =3D EQ (pos, Qleft) || EQ (pos, Qright);
GtkWidget *top_widget =3D x->toolbar_widget;
gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->toolbar_widget),
into_hbox
? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL
: GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL);
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t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">=
On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 10:13=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto=
:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">> From: St=C3=A9phane Marks <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br>
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 09:50:59 -0500<br>
> Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:opensauce04@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">opensau=
ce04@HIDDEN</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a><br>
> <br>
> GTK support some toolbar styling albeit different than NS/macOS option=
s<br>
> <a href=3D"https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/enum.ToolbarStyle.html" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/enum.ToolbarStyle.htm=
l</a> I did not look to see if this API is exposed to ELisp or not.<br>
<br>
We support this, see gtkutil.c.=C2=A0 But I'm not sure this is similar<=
br>
enough, it only affects how the tool-bar buttons are shown.=C2=A0 We need a=
<br>
capability to control whether t6he GTK tool bar is aligned to left,<br>
right, centered, or some other arrangement relative to the Emacs<br>
frame.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:monospace">I see this in gtkutil which is the closest analog s=
ince GTK itself doesn't support the precise set of values as NS/macOS:<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">static void<b=
r>xg_pack_tool_bar (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object pos)<br>{<br>=C2=A0 xp_out=
put *x =3D f->output_data.xp;<br>=C2=A0 bool into_hbox =3D EQ (pos, Qlef=
t) || EQ (pos, Qright);<br>=C2=A0 GtkWidget *top_widget =3D x->toolbar_w=
idget;<br><br>=C2=A0 gtk_orientable_set_orientation (GTK_ORIENTABLE (x->=
toolbar_widget),<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 into_hbox<b=
r>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ? GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL<br=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : GTK_ORIENTATION_HORIZONTAL)=
;<br></div></div></div>
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On my system, on Emacs 30, the style which was used was NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified, and that is the style that I prefer and would like to use. I don't know how we would decide on what the "best" default value would be, because as I mentioned before, it doesn't really seem like the criteria for the style automatically chosen by macOS is particularly well-understood (I am personally running a pretty conventional setup with the most recent stable release of macOS, version 26.2). Again, I really think that just including a frame parameter for this would be easier for everyone involved, but it's ultimately your call.
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On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 7:29=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2026 12:24:08 +0000
> > Cc: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > From: opensauce04@HIDDEN
> >
> > > Please post patches as binary attachments, preferably using the outpu=
t
> > > of the "git format-patch" command. The way you did it, your email
> > > software squashed the leading whitespace of every line, which makes
> > > the patch unusable.
> >
> > Ah, sorry! I assumed that when Emacs put the patch text into the email
> > body, it would just ready to send as-is.
>
> No sweat, no harm done.
>
> > > We try to avoid having features that are only available on
> > > some platforms, especially if those platforms are proprietary. So I
> > > must ask: is this kind of feature available on GNU/Linux, in the GTK
> > > or PGTK builds? If not, we will need to wait until those builds can
> > > use this feature.
> >
> > This seems rather arbitrary. If that's the case, why does Emacs
> > support using the macOS-exclusive ns-transparent-titlebar and
> > ns-appearance values?
>
> I presume that something similar exists on GNU/Linux. Or maybe it
> was a mistake
>
> > In fact, ns-toolbar-style arguably has more of a right to exist
> > because it's being introduced in response to a non-user-configurable
> > change Emacs made to its appearance which some users evidently won't
> > like. In the email exchange where the change was introduced, someone
> > voiced their dislike for the new appearance, calling it "outdated"
> > and bringing up the valid criticism that it takes away vertical
> > space. I'm sure there are others that would feel the same if they
> > knew of the change, but they either aren't using Emacs 31 or don't
> > follow the mailing list. I was one of those people until the other
> > day when I built Emacs 31 out of curiosity and discovered the
> > change, and I agree with the person in the mailing list that the new
> > toolbar style is an overall downgrade.
>
> If you want to discuss a possible change in the default behavior, we
> can do that without any restrictions. If macOS users in general agree
> that the current default is not the best one, I see now reason not to
> change the default. But supporting user-defined control of the
> behavior is a different matter.
>
> > It's also worth noting that this patch doesn't really introduce any
> > new interactions with proprietary frameworks. The code which sets
> > `setToolbarStyle` was introduced by the patch I referenced in my
> > original email. This feature simply allows users to control which
> > value is passed to `setToolbarStyle`.
>
> What matters for us in this case are the user-facing features and
> capabilities, not the software mechanisms used by the implementation.
>
GTK support some toolbar styling albeit different than NS/macOS options
https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/enum.ToolbarStyle.html I did not look to see if
this API is exposed to ELisp or not.
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On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 7:29=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:=
eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
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> Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">80307@d=
ebbugs.gnu.org</a><br>
> From: <a href=3D"mailto:opensauce04@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">opens=
auce04@HIDDEN</a><br>
> <br>
> > Please post patches as binary attachments, preferably using the o=
utput<br>
> > of the "git format-patch" command.=C2=A0 The way you di=
d it, your email<br>
> > software squashed the leading whitespace of every line, which mak=
es<br>
> > the patch unusable.<br>
> <br>
> Ah, sorry! I assumed that when Emacs put the patch text into the email=
<br>
> body, it would just ready to send as-is.<br>
<br>
No sweat, no harm done.<br>
<br>
> > We try to avoid having features that are only available on<br>
> > some platforms, especially if those platforms are proprietary. So=
I<br>
> > must ask: is this kind of feature available on GNU/Linux, in the =
GTK<br>
> > or PGTK builds?=C2=A0 If not, we will need to wait until those bu=
ilds can<br>
> > use this feature. <br>
> <br>
> This seems rather arbitrary. If that's the case, why does Emacs<br=
>
> support using the macOS-exclusive ns-transparent-titlebar and<br>
> ns-appearance values?<br>
<br>
I presume that something similar exists on GNU/Linux.=C2=A0 Or maybe it<br>
was a mistake<br>
<br>
> In fact, ns-toolbar-style arguably has more of a right to exist<br>
> because it's being introduced in response to a non-user-configurab=
le<br>
> change Emacs made to its appearance which some users evidently won'=
;t<br>
> like. In the email exchange where the change was introduced, someone<b=
r>
> voiced their dislike for the new appearance, calling it "outdated=
"<br>
> and bringing up the valid criticism that it takes away vertical<br>
> space.=C2=A0 I'm sure there are others that would feel the same if=
they<br>
> knew of the change, but they either aren't using Emacs 31 or don&#=
39;t<br>
> follow the mailing list. I was one of those people until the other<br>
> day when I built Emacs 31 out of curiosity and discovered the<br>
> change, and I agree with the person in the mailing list that the new<b=
r>
> toolbar style is an overall downgrade.<br>
<br>
If you want to discuss a possible change in the default behavior, we<br>
can do that without any restrictions.=C2=A0 If macOS users in general agree=
<br>
that the current default is not the best one, I see now reason not to<br>
change the default.=C2=A0 But supporting user-defined control of the<br>
behavior is a different matter.<br>
<br>
> It's also worth noting that this patch doesn't really introduc=
e any<br>
> new interactions with proprietary frameworks. The code which sets<br>
> `setToolbarStyle`=C2=A0 was introduced by the patch I referenced in my=
<br>
> original email. This feature simply allows users to control which<br>
> value is passed to `setToolbarStyle`.<br>
<br>
What matters for us in this case are the user-facing features and<br>
capabilities, not the software mechanisms used by the implementation.<br></=
blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:monospace">GTK support some toolbar styling albeit different than NS/macOS=
options=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/enum.ToolbarStyle.html">=
https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/enum.ToolbarStyle.html</a>=C2=A0I did not look to=
see if this API is exposed to ELisp or not.</div></div></div>
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The way you did it, your email > > software squashed the leading whitespace of every line, which makes > > the patch unusable. > > Ah, sorry! I assumed that when Emacs put the patch text into the email > body, it would just ready to send as-is. No sweat, no harm done. > > We try to avoid having features that are only available on > > some platforms, especially if those platforms are proprietary. So I > > must ask: is this kind of feature available on GNU/Linux, in the GTK > > or PGTK builds? If not, we will need to wait until those builds can > > use this feature. > > This seems rather arbitrary. If that's the case, why does Emacs > support using the macOS-exclusive ns-transparent-titlebar and > ns-appearance values? I presume that something similar exists on GNU/Linux. Or maybe it was a mistake > In fact, ns-toolbar-style arguably has more of a right to exist > because it's being introduced in response to a non-user-configurable > change Emacs made to its appearance which some users evidently won't > like. In the email exchange where the change was introduced, someone > voiced their dislike for the new appearance, calling it "outdated" > and bringing up the valid criticism that it takes away vertical > space. I'm sure there are others that would feel the same if they > knew of the change, but they either aren't using Emacs 31 or don't > follow the mailing list. I was one of those people until the other > day when I built Emacs 31 out of curiosity and discovered the > change, and I agree with the person in the mailing list that the new > toolbar style is an overall downgrade. If you want to discuss a possible change in the default behavior, we can do that without any restrictions. If macOS users in general agree that the current default is not the best one, I see now reason not to change the default. But supporting user-defined control of the behavior is a different matter. > It's also worth noting that this patch doesn't really introduce any > new interactions with proprietary frameworks. The code which sets > `setToolbarStyle` was introduced by the patch I referenced in my > original email. This feature simply allows users to control which > value is passed to `setToolbarStyle`. What matters for us in this case are the user-facing features and capabilities, not the software mechanisms used by the implementation.
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> Please post patches as binary attachments, preferably using the output
> of the "git format-patch" command. The way you did it, your email
> software squashed the leading whitespace of every line, which makes
> the patch unusable.
Ah, sorry! I assumed that when Emacs put the patch text into the email
body, it would just ready to send as-is.
> In any case, the names of the styles should not blindly follow the
> macOS names, but instead make sense to Emacs users. For example,
> "preference" should probably be called "centered", "expanded" should
> be "left-aligned" or somesuch, etc.
I've attached a new patch which addresses this. These are how the changes
map to the old names:
- auto <- automatic
- left <- expanded
- center <- preference
- right <- unified
- right-compact <- unified-compact
I dropped the proposed '-aligned' suffix because it seemed redundant to add
it to each option when they all align the toolbar in some way. Please
let me know
if you feel differently and I'll adjust the names accordingly.
> We try to avoid having features that are only available on
> some platforms, especially if those platforms are proprietary. So I
> must ask: is this kind of feature available on GNU/Linux, in the GTK
> or PGTK builds? If not, we will need to wait until those builds can
> use this feature.
This seems rather arbitrary. If that's the case, why does Emacs support
using
the macOS-exclusive ns-transparent-titlebar and ns-appearance values? I
don't
see any reasons that those would be included and this wouldn't.
In fact, ns-toolbar-style arguably has more of a right to exist because
it's being
introduced in response to a non-user-configurable change Emacs made to its
appearance which some users evidently won't like. In the email exchange
where the
change was introduced, someone voiced their dislike for the new appearance,
calling it "outdated" and bringing up the valid criticism that it takes
away vertical space.
I'm sure there are others that would feel the same if they knew of the
change, but they either
aren't using Emacs 31 or don't follow the mailing list. I was one of
those people until
the other day when I built Emacs 31 out of curiosity and discovered the
change, and
I agree with the person in the mailing list that the new toolbar style
is an overall downgrade.
It's also worth noting that this patch doesn't really introduce any new
interactions with
proprietary frameworks. The code which sets `setToolbarStyle` was
introduced by the patch
I referenced in my original email. This feature simply allows users to
control which value is
passed to `setToolbarStyle`.
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<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #007cff;">Please post patches
as binary attachments, preferably using the output
<br>
of the "git format-patch" command. The way you did it, your email
<br>
software squashed the leading whitespace of every line, which
makes
<br>
the patch unusable.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Ah, sorry! I assumed that when Emacs put the patch text into the
email
<br>
body, it would just ready to send as-is.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #007cff;">In any case, the
names of the styles should not blindly follow the
<br>
macOS names, but instead make sense to Emacs users. For example,
<br>
"preference" should probably be called "centered", "expanded"
should
<br>
be "left-aligned" or somesuch, etc.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I've attached a new patch which addresses this. These are how the
changes
<br>
map to the old names:
<br>
- auto <- automatic
<br>
- left <- expanded
<br>
- center <- preference
<br>
- right <- unified
<br>
- right-compact <- unified-compact
<br>
I dropped the proposed '-aligned' suffix because it seemed redundant
to add
<br>
it to each option when they all align the toolbar in some way.
Please let me know
<br>
if you feel differently and I'll adjust the names accordingly.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #007cff;">We try to avoid
having features that are only available on
<br>
some platforms, especially if those platforms are proprietary. So
I
<br>
must ask: is this kind of feature available on GNU/Linux, in the
GTK
<br>
or PGTK builds? If not, we will need to wait until those builds
can
<br>
use this feature. </blockquote>
<br>
This seems rather arbitrary. If that's the case, why does Emacs
support using
<br>
the macOS-exclusive ns-transparent-titlebar and ns-appearance
values? I don't
<br>
see any reasons that those would be included and this wouldn't.
<br>
<br>
In fact, ns-toolbar-style arguably has more of a right to exist
because it's being
<br>
introduced in response to a non-user-configurable change Emacs made
to its
<br>
appearance which some users evidently won't like. In the email
exchange where the
<br>
change was introduced, someone voiced their dislike for the new
appearance,
<br>
calling it "outdated" and bringing up the valid criticism that it
takes away vertical space.
<br>
I'm sure there are others that would feel the same if they knew of
the change, but they either
<br>
aren't using Emacs 31 or don't follow the mailing list. I was one of
those people until
<br>
the other day when I built Emacs 31 out of curiosity and discovered
the change, and
<br>
I agree with the person in the mailing list that the new toolbar
style is an overall downgrade.
<br>
<br>
It's also worth noting that this patch doesn't really introduce any
new interactions with
<br>
proprietary frameworks. The code which sets `setToolbarStyle` was
introduced by the patch
<br>
I referenced in my original email. This feature simply allows users
to control which value is
<br>
passed to `setToolbarStyle`.
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Full text available.Received: (at 80307) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Feb 2026 09:33:58 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 01 04:33:58 2026 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36187 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1vmTq9-0004VF-FO for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2026 04:33:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50706) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1vmTq7-0004UQ-Dn for 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2026 04:33:55 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1vmTq2-0002Dv-2I; Sun, 01 Feb 2026 04:33:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=KjUw6QbM0M1iHSjHZJ1BSd1s2EnpuRLvH503i2373+I=; b=jRzz+68V58EM 0PqKSsAoj5+PmzkxTKZ7D4pRmzEm5z8j2E3roOQIRA25f7769y+ymAxCt1XmbZYn29NhndUyZD2n4 +PJHMiZ/AC4vZEdDRBTwnBLCC6MdHPLWSkryTiHZVC9kYiNR8zCiKd2uYy+yhMet9xmCzDYBmy3iA YTdJuraQvazDGdGiL/s7z89yN8vi7J7vLa+nU20taAG3HVwpo06AzcAmCtiPUN1vwdfHyKdatD35N DfbIXWMbrtlW/udh4TKDwVS48KL57ZDMubRV9f3FBRYce/5DYdzzB7sTWjUJCUQV7u4uJiB60sbVl +2kAioHTX00wBCerC73KgQ==; Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2026 11:33:44 +0200 Message-Id: <86a4xs4xl3.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: opensauce04@HIDDEN In-Reply-To: <a2ed9095-e014-4902-90a5-9329a5f17297@HIDDEN> (opensauce04@HIDDEN) Subject: Re: bug#80307: Add ns-toolbar-style frame parameter on macOS References: <a2ed9095-e014-4902-90a5-9329a5f17297@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 80307 Cc: 80307 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 22:40:47 +0000 > From: opensauce04@HIDDEN > > I am submitting a patch which makes the window toolbar style > configurable on macOS. > > My motivation for this change was an adjustment made to Emacs 31 > relatively recently (Bug #79900) which adjusted the default appearance > of the toolbar on macOS from having the style automatically set by macOS > to instead using the (in my opinion, inferior) "expanded" toolbar style. > This change was not user-configurable, meaning use of this new style is > currently forced on users unless they modify Emacs's Objective C source > code, > and a maintainer encouraged others to submit a patch if anyone wished > for the style to be made configurable. > > I implemented this by adding a new `ns-toolbar-style` frame parameter > which can > be adjusted by the user to immediately switch between any of the 5 > available toolbar style options listed here: > https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/toolbarstyle-swift.enum Thanks. We try to avoid having features that are only available on some platforms, especially if those platforms are proprietary. So I must ask: is this kind of feature available on GNU/Linux, in the GTK or PGTK builds? If not, we will need to wait until those builds can use this feature. In any case, the names of the styles should not blindly follow the macOS names, but instead make sense to Emacs users. For example, "preference" should probably be called "centered", "expanded" should be "left-aligned" or somesuch, etc. > This is my first time interacting with the Emacs codebase, my first time > meaningfully interacting with Objective C, and my first time submitting > any patch via email, so hopefully I didn't make any egregious mistakes! > Please let me know if I did anything wrong or if there's anything I need > to adjust! Please post patches as binary attachments, preferably using the output of the "git format-patch" command. The way you did it, your email software squashed the leading whitespace of every line, which makes the patch unusable. Thanks again for your interest in Emacs.
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I am submitting a patch which makes the window toolbar style
configurable on macOS.
My motivation for this change was an adjustment made to Emacs 31
relatively recently (Bug #79900) which adjusted the default appearance
of the toolbar on macOS from having the style automatically set by macOS
to instead using the (in my opinion, inferior) "expanded" toolbar style.
This change was not user-configurable, meaning use of this new style is
currently forced on users unless they modify Emacs's Objective C source
code,
and a maintainer encouraged others to submit a patch if anyone wished
for the style to be made configurable.
I implemented this by adding a new `ns-toolbar-style` frame parameter
which can
be adjusted by the user to immediately switch between any of the 5
available toolbar style options listed here:
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/toolbarstyle-swift.enum
I have locally tested all of these available options, and they all
appear as expected. I based the implementation of this new frame parameter
on the existing surrounding code, so hopefully I am following expected
best practice.
The "expanded" style enforced by the aforementioned prior change is
still the default, meaning that users won't see any change from this
patch unless they wish to change the toolbar style by modifying the
ns-toolbar-style parameter.
This is my first time interacting with the Emacs codebase, my first time
meaningfully interacting with Objective C, and my first time submitting
any patch via email, so hopefully I didn't make any egregious mistakes!
Please let me know if I did anything wrong or if there's anything I need
to adjust!
In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 37, aarch64-apple-darwin25.2.0, NS
appkit-2685.30 Version 26.2 (Build 25C56)) of 2026-01-31 built on
Mac.powerhub
Repository revision: 87dfb040b08adf22cea41115adaa913997c04437
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2685
System Description: macOS 26.2
Configured using:
'configure --without-all --with-gnutls --with-modules --with-threads
--with-toolkit-scroll-bars --with-tree-sitter
--enable-link-time-optimization'
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diff --git a/doc/lispref/frames.texi b/doc/lispref/frames.texi
index bdd79528cac..b43fbec3119 100644
--- a/doc/lispref/frames.texi
+++ b/doc/lispref/frames.texi
@@ -2455,6 +2455,21 @@ Management Parameters
of both to match the Emacs background color.
@end table
+@vindex ns-toolbar-style@r{, a frame parameter}
+@item ns-toolbar-style
+Only available on macOS, sets the style of the toolbar in the macOS
+window title bar.
+If @code{expanded} or @code{nil}, the menubar is positioned under the
+window title on the left side of of the title bar.
+If @code{automatic}, Emacs allows macOS to automatically select
+a toolbar style.
+If @code{preference}, the toolbar will be positioned under the window
+title middle of the title bar.
+If @code{unified}, the toolbar will be positioned on the right side of
+the title bar in line with the window title.
+If @code{unified-compressed}, the toolbar will have a similar appearance
+to the unified layout, except with a smaller toolbar.
+
@node Cursor Parameters
@subsubsection Cursor Parameters
diff --git a/lisp/frame.el b/lisp/frame.el
index 54502837bf6..a277151c9b3 100644
--- a/lisp/frame.el
+++ b/lisp/frame.el
@@ -84,7 +84,7 @@ frame--special-parameters
"min-width" "minibuffer" "minibuffer-exit" "mouse-color"
"mouse-wheel-frame" "name" "no-accept-focus" "no-focus-on-map"
"no-other-frame" "no-special-glyphs" "ns-appearance"
- "ns-transparent-titlebar" "outer-window-id" "override-redirect"
+ "ns-transparent-titlebar" "ns-toolbar-style" "outer-window-id"
"override-redirect"
"parent-frame" "right-fringe" "right-divider-width" "screen-gamma"
"scroll-bar-background" "scroll-bar-foreground" "scroll-bar-height"
"scroll-bar-width" "shaded" "skip-taskbar" "snap-width" "sticky"
@@ -121,6 +121,8 @@ frame--complete-parameter-value
((eq parameter 'visibility) '("nil" "t" "icon"))
((memq parameter '(ns-appearance background-mode))
'("dark" "light"))
+ ((memq parameter '(ns-toolbar-style toolbar-style))
+ '("automatic" "expanded" "preference" "unified" "unified-compact"))
((eq parameter 'font-backend)
'("x" "xft" "xfthb" "ftcr" "ftcrhb" "gdi"
"uniscribe" "harfbuzz"))
diff --git a/src/frame.c b/src/frame.c
index d197e4d5351..4b5d200a9bc 100644
--- a/src/frame.c
+++ b/src/frame.c
@@ -1211,6 +1211,7 @@ make_frame (bool mini_p)
#ifdef NS_IMPL_COCOA
f->ns_appearance = ns_appearance_system_default;
f->ns_transparent_titlebar = false;
+ f->ns_toolbar_style = ns_toolbar_style_automatic;
#endif
#endif
f->select_mini_window_flag = false;
@@ -4848,6 +4849,7 @@ DEFUN ("frame-scale-factor", Fframe_scale_factor,
Sframe_scale_factor,
#ifdef NS_IMPL_COCOA
{"ns-appearance", SYMBOL_INDEX (Qns_appearance)},
{"ns-transparent-titlebar", SYMBOL_INDEX (Qns_transparent_titlebar)},
+ {"ns-toolbar-style", SYMBOL_INDEX (Qns_toolbar_style)},
#endif
};
@@ -7281,6 +7283,7 @@ syms_of_frame (void)
#ifdef NS_IMPL_COCOA
DEFSYM (Qns_appearance, "ns-appearance");
DEFSYM (Qns_transparent_titlebar, "ns-transparent-titlebar");
+ DEFSYM (Qns_toolbar_style, "ns-toolbar-style");
#endif
DEFSYM (Qalpha, "alpha");
diff --git a/src/frame.h b/src/frame.h
index 091b112e8b9..e6ba3029c83 100644
--- a/src/frame.h
+++ b/src/frame.h
@@ -73,6 +73,15 @@ #define EMACS_FRAME_H
ns_appearance_aqua,
ns_appearance_vibrant_dark
};
+
+enum ns_toolbar_style_type
+ {
+ ns_toolbar_style_automatic,
+ ns_toolbar_style_expanded,
+ ns_toolbar_style_preference,
+ ns_toolbar_style_unified,
+ ns_toolbar_style_unified_compact
+ };
#endif
#endif /* HAVE_WINDOW_SYSTEM */
@@ -736,6 +745,7 @@ #define EMACS_FRAME_H
/* NSAppearance theme used on this frame. */
enum ns_appearance_type ns_appearance;
bool_bf ns_transparent_titlebar;
+ enum ns_toolbar_style_type ns_toolbar_style;
#endif
#ifdef HAVE_TEXT_CONVERSION
@@ -1257,6 +1267,7 @@ #define FRAME_TOOLTIP_P(f) ((f)->tooltip)
#ifdef NS_IMPL_COCOA
#define FRAME_NS_APPEARANCE(f) ((f)->ns_appearance)
#define FRAME_NS_TRANSPARENT_TITLEBAR(f) ((f)->ns_transparent_titlebar)
+#define FRAME_NS_TOOLBAR_STYLE(f) ((f)->ns_toolbar_style)
#endif
#else /* not HAVE_WINDOW_SYSTEM */
#define FRAME_OVERRIDE_REDIRECT(f) ((void) (f), 0)
diff --git a/src/nsfns.m b/src/nsfns.m
index cf685630ab7..1efbb1590da 100644
--- a/src/nsfns.m
+++ b/src/nsfns.m
@@ -1111,6 +1111,7 @@ Turn the input menu (an NSMenu) into a lisp list
for tracking on lisp side.
#ifdef NS_IMPL_COCOA
ns_set_appearance,
ns_set_transparent_titlebar,
+ ns_set_toolbar_style,
#endif
};
@@ -1416,6 +1417,12 @@ Turn the input menu (an NSMenu) into a lisp list
for tracking on lisp side.
FRAME_NS_TRANSPARENT_TITLEBAR (f) = !NILP (tem) && !EQ (tem, Qunbound);
store_frame_param (f, Qns_transparent_titlebar,
FRAME_NS_TRANSPARENT_TITLEBAR (f) ? Qt : Qnil);
+
+ tem = gui_display_get_arg (dpyinfo, parms, Qns_toolbar_style,
+ NULL, NULL, RES_TYPE_SYMBOL);
+ ns_set_toolbar_style_1 (f, tem);
+ store_frame_param (f, Qns_toolbar_style,
+ (!NILP (tem) && !EQ (tem, Qunbound)) ? tem : Qnil);
#endif
parent_frame = gui_display_get_arg (dpyinfo, parms, Qparent_frame, NULL,
NULL,
@@ -4023,6 +4030,11 @@ - (Lisp_Object)lispString
DEFSYM (Qicon_title_format, "icon-title-format");
DEFSYM (Qdark, "dark");
DEFSYM (Qlight, "light");
+ DEFSYM (Qautomatic, "automatic");
+ DEFSYM (Qexpanded, "expanded");
+ DEFSYM (Qpreference, "preference");
+ DEFSYM (Qunified, "unified");
+ DEFSYM (QunifiedCompact, "unified-compact");
DEFVAR_LISP ("ns-icon-type-alist", Vns_icon_type_alist,
doc: /* Alist of elements (REGEXP . IMAGE) for images of icons
associated to frames.
diff --git a/src/nsterm.h b/src/nsterm.h
index 7c1ee4cf535..7d1222341a6 100644
--- a/src/nsterm.h
+++ b/src/nsterm.h
@@ -1242,6 +1242,9 @@ #define NSAPP_DATA2_RUNFILEDIALOG 11
extern void ns_set_transparent_titlebar (struct frame *f,
Lisp_Object new_value,
Lisp_Object old_value);
+extern void ns_set_toolbar_style_1 (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object
new_value);
+extern void ns_set_toolbar_style (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object new_value,
+ Lisp_Object old_value);
#endif
extern int ns_select (int nfds, fd_set *readfds, fd_set *writefds,
fd_set *exceptfds, struct timespec *timeout,
diff --git a/src/nsterm.m b/src/nsterm.m
index c852b70be74..7920f9d1e2d 100644
--- a/src/nsterm.m
+++ b/src/nsterm.m
@@ -2028,6 +2028,59 @@ Hide the window (X11 semantics)
}
#endif /* MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 101000 */
}
+
+static NSWindowToolbarStyle
+ns_get_toolbar_style(enum ns_toolbar_style_type requested_toolbar_style) {
+ switch (requested_toolbar_style) {
+ case ns_toolbar_style_automatic:
+ return NSWindowToolbarStyleAutomatic;
+ case ns_toolbar_style_expanded:
+ return NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded;
+ case ns_toolbar_style_preference:
+ return NSWindowToolbarStylePreference;
+ case ns_toolbar_style_unified:
+ return NSWindowToolbarStyleUnified;
+ case ns_toolbar_style_unified_compact:
+ return NSWindowToolbarStyleUnifiedCompact;
+ default:
+ return NSWindowToolbarStyleAutomatic;
+ }
+}
+
+void
+ns_set_toolbar_style_1 (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object new_value)
+{
+ if (EQ (new_value, Qautomatic))
+ FRAME_NS_TOOLBAR_STYLE (f) = ns_toolbar_style_automatic;
+ else if (EQ (new_value, Qexpanded))
+ FRAME_NS_TOOLBAR_STYLE (f) = ns_toolbar_style_expanded;
+ else if (EQ (new_value, Qpreference))
+ FRAME_NS_TOOLBAR_STYLE (f) = ns_toolbar_style_preference;
+ else if (EQ (new_value, Qunified))
+ FRAME_NS_TOOLBAR_STYLE (f) = ns_toolbar_style_unified;
+ else if (EQ (new_value, QunifiedCompact))
+ FRAME_NS_TOOLBAR_STYLE (f) = ns_toolbar_style_unified_compact;
+ else
+ FRAME_NS_TOOLBAR_STYLE (f) = ns_toolbar_style_expanded;
+}
+
+void
+ns_set_toolbar_style (struct frame *f, Lisp_Object new_value,
Lisp_Object old_value)
+{
+#if MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000
+ EmacsView *view = (EmacsView *)FRAME_NS_VIEW (f);
+ EmacsWindow *window = (EmacsWindow *)[view window];
+
+ NSTRACE ("ns_set_toolbar_style");
+
+ if (NSAppKitVersionNumber < NSAppKitVersionNumber11_0)
+ return;
+
+ ns_set_toolbar_style_1 (f, new_value);
+
+ [window setToolbarStyle: ns_get_toolbar_style(FRAME_NS_TOOLBAR_STYLE
(f))];
+#endif /* MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000 */
+}
#endif /* NS_IMPL_COCOA */
static void
@@ -9619,12 +9672,13 @@ - (instancetype) initWithEmacsFrame: (struct
frame *) f
[self setTabbingMode:NSWindowTabbingModeDisallowed];
#endif
/* Always show the toolbar below the window title. This is needed
- on Mac OS 11+ where the toolbar style is decided by the system
- (which is unpredictable) and the newfangled "compact" toolbar
- may be chosen (which is undesirable). */
+ on Mac OS 11+ where the toolbar style is decided by the system
+ (which is unpredictable) and the newfangled "compact" toolbar
+ may be chosen (which is undesirable). */
#if defined (NS_IMPL_COCOA) && MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= 110000
- if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)])
- [self setToolbarStyle: NSWindowToolbarStyleExpanded];
+ if ([self respondsToSelector:@selector(setToolbarStyle:)]) {
+ [self setToolbarStyle: ns_get_toolbar_style(FRAME_NS_TOOLBAR_STYLE (f))];
+ }
#endif
}
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