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If gnus-article-mode-hook is set (and saved) using the customise interface, and custom-set-variables is called either before or after ffap-bindings (which also sets the variable), one of the two values is lost, depending on order.
From what I can tell what is happening is that if custom-set-variables comes first, the value is put into the saved-value symbol property since gnus-art has not been autoloaded yet, but then the add-hook in ffap-bindings sets it, preventing a subsequent autoload from "merging" in the saved value.
Conversely if ffap-bindings comes first, the custom-set-variables just overwrites the value of the hook.
I am not sure if add-hook actually should support this kind of interaction though. Possibly ffap-bindings shouldn't be using it without first triggering the autoload, and this is a bug in ffap?
Or maybe it is better practice for the user to do custom-set-variables last during init, and just "know" that values set by packages should be manually incorporated?
Thanks and regards,
- Joel
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