GNU bug report logs - #81750
31.1; McAfee blocks use of Emacs 31.1 on Windows 11 because of file custom-cl66a157-d20dll30.eln

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Subject: RE: bug#81750: 31.1;
 McAfee blocks use of Emacs 31.1 on Windows 11 because of file
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> > Since reddit is not accessible in the free world, would someone please
> > post the pertinent part of that material here?
> 
> You don't need to bother.
> 
> That article says that 3 *.eln files included in the binary Emacs
> distro for Windows are flagged by the antivirus software as infected
> by malware.  These are the *.eln files produced from button.el,
> cl-preloaded.el, and minibuffer.el.

In the case I reported, which is for MS Windows, reported by
McAfee, the file was a different one:

   custom-cl66a157-d20dll30.eln

(which I suppose corresponds to custom-cl.el?).

And in my case, the file was _not_ simply flagged as malware.
It gets quarantined when I try to run Emacs (-Q).  Emacs won't
start.

If I restore it (liberate it from quarantine), it's immediately 
quarantined again when I try to start Emacs.

IOW, I cannot run Emacs 31.1 at all.

I also think it just quarantined the first *.eln file it came
across, and then killed Emacs.  I think all of the following
*.eln files were just ignored, and they might have likewise
been quarantined if scanning had continued.  Not sure though.

I don't know how to tell McAfee "not to scan the *.eln files",
as Eli suggested.  I've tried to find out if/how that's possible,
from McAfee, but I haven't gotten any reply from them.  If you
know, please let me know.

HTH, and hope this gets fixed.

___

FWIW, I think anyone can get to that Reddit link, anonymously -
no need to sign in or anything.  Someone might not _want_ to
access the thread because Reddit isn't free-world, but I don't
think it's the case that the thread isn't accessible.  (I'm no
expert on either its accessibility or its freeness, so YMMV.)





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You don't need to bother.

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distro for Windows are flagged by the antivirus software as infected
by malware.  These are the *.eln files produced from button.el,
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> > I had to report this bug using Emacs 30.2.  I can't report from Emacs
> > 31.1, because I can't use it yet.  McAfee blocks it because of its
> > automatic use of *.eln files, specifically this file:
> > 
> >   custom-cl66a157-d20dll30.eln
> >  
> > See also Reddit thread
> >
https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1vysvc7/emacs_311_windows_defender_w
acatac_false/
>
> Corwin, any comments?

I don't know how to tell McAfee not to scan or quarantine that
file.  I tried restoring it from the quarantine, but as soon
as I try again to open Emacs (-Q) McAfee again quarantines it.





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> From: "Drew Adams" <drew00000001@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2026 12:51:56 -0700
> 
> (Mentioned in passing in bug #81743.  Eli requested that I send a
> separate bug report for this.)
> 
> I had to report this bug using Emacs 30.2.  I can't report from Emacs
> 31.1, because I can't use it yet.  McAfee blocks it because of its
> automatic use of *.eln files, specifically this file:
> 
>   custom-cl66a157-d20dll30.eln
>  
> See also Reddit thread
> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1vysvc7/emacs_311_windows_defender_w
> acatac_false/

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 -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE     RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/,
                              no trust
                             [2001:470:142:0:0:0:0:17 listed in]
                             [list.dnswl.org]
  0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM          Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail
                             provider (drew00000001[at]gmail.com)
 -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS          SPF: HELO matches SPF record
  0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends
                             in digit (drew00000001[at]gmail.com)
  1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL           SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail)
  1.0 FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD      'From' gmail.com does not match 'Received'
                             headers
 -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI     Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list
                             manager

(Mentioned in passing in bug #81743.  Eli requested that I send a
separate bug report for this.)

I had to report this bug using Emacs 30.2.  I can't report from Emacs
31.1, because I can't use it yet.  McAfee blocks it because of its
automatic use of *.eln files, specifically this file:

  custom-cl66a157-d20dll30.eln
 
See also Reddit thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1vysvc7/emacs_311_windows_defender_w
acatac_false/

In GNU Emacs 30.2 (build 2, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2025-08-14 built on
 AVALON
Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.26200
System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (v10.0.2009.26200.9168)

Configured using:
 'configure --with-modules --without-dbus --with-native-compilation=aot
 --without-compress-install --with-tree-sitter CFLAGS=-O2
 prefix=/g/rel/install-emacs-30.2'

Configured features:
ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP
NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XPM ZLIB

(NATIVE_COMP present but libgccjit not available)

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: ENU
  locale-coding-system: cp1252





Acknowledgement sent to "Drew Adams" <drew00000001@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#81750; Package emacs. Full text available.
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