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distcheck and make dvi

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Package: automake; Reported by: karl@HIDDEN (Karl Berry); dated Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:34:02 UTC; Maintainer for automake is bug-automake@HIDDEN.

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* Karl Berry wrote on Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:28:59PM CET:
>     not bother checking dvi output and rather test PDF output seems
>     like another good alternative.
> 
> I can't agree with that.  That's trading DVI-generation problems for
> PDF-generation problems.  Believe me, there will be just as many if not
> more.  Any manual which has *only* eps files, for starters.

Right, I'm on the same page as you here: such a trade should be at the
developer's discretion.

> All together, for a general fix, my suggestion is to simply replace the
> hardwired "dvi" string with a new variable name, like
> $(AM_DISTCHECK_DOC) or some such (no idea if that's a reasonable name,
> but you get the idea), which defaults to dvi and which users can
> override either with "pdf" or with some no-op target.  Which in turn
> would need to be created/documented if one doesn't exist already.

Something like that sounds sensible.  Incidentally, Stefano already has
a pending patch for some distcheck generalizations using variables; the
change for this PR could look to use similar style.

Cheers,
Ralf




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Hi Jack,

    New automake options? Something like:

I like my idea of a variable better :).
Seems simpler/less intrusive/more general.

Best,
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On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Karl Berry <karl@HIDDEN> wrote:
> All together, for a general fix, my suggestion is to simply replace the
> hardwired "dvi" string with a new variable name, like
> $(AM_DISTCHECK_DOC) or some such (no idea if that's a reasonable name,
> but you get the idea), which defaults to dvi and which users can
> override either with "pdf" or with some no-op target. =A0Which in turn
> would need to be created/documented if one doesn't exist already.

New automake options? Something like:

    AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE([foreign distcheck-doc-pdf no-distcheck-doc-dvi])

> =A0 =A0jack> violate the GNU coding standards, to which automake-generate=
d
> =A0 =A0makefiles are meant to comply?
>
> The dvi: pdf kludge was a user override. =A0The coding standards aren't a=
n
> issue in that case.

Good to know.

-- Jack




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    However, there are cases where dvi output just
    isn't feasible in practice.

Yep.  Therein lies the essence of the problem.

    not bother checking dvi output and rather test PDF output seems
    like another good alternative.

I can't agree with that.  That's trading DVI-generation problems for
PDF-generation problems.  Believe me, there will be just as many if not
more.  Any manual which has *only* eps files, for starters.

All together, for a general fix, my suggestion is to simply replace the
hardwired "dvi" string with a new variable name, like
$(AM_DISTCHECK_DOC) or some such (no idea if that's a reasonable name,
but you get the idea), which defaults to dvi and which users can
override either with "pdf" or with some no-op target.  Which in turn
would need to be created/documented if one doesn't exist already.

How does that sound?

    jack> violate the GNU coding standards, to which automake-generated
    makefiles are meant to comply?

The dvi: pdf kludge was a user override.  The coding standards aren't an
issue in that case.

Thanks,
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Ralf Wildenhues
<Ralf.Wildenhues@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> Another possible change, in addition to messing with the documentation,
>> would be to make the "dvi" a variable that such non-dvi-generating
>> people can override with "pdf" if they wish. =A0Then they could get the
>> benefit of the check in a clean way without forcing .eps. =A0Or maybe
>> dvi: pdf
>> would have the same effect? =A0I'm not sure.
>
> Well, 'dvi: pdf' might help the distcheck to succeed, but generally, if
> I run 'make dvi' then what I'd like is DVI not PDF output. =A0The latter
> is not convertible into the former. =A0Enhancing distcheck to just not
> bother checking dvi output and rather test PDF output seems like another
> good alternative.

Not only does this feel like a hack, but I'd worry that it might
violate the GNU coding standards, to which automake-generated
makefiles are meant to comply?

-- Jack




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Hi Karl,

thanks for the bug report.

* Karl Berry wrote on Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:33:14AM CET:
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.automake.general/10304
> 
> I suggest that the workaround Ralf suggests there -- an empty make rule
> for dvi: -- be explicitly documented.  Another (often preferable) option
> is to create and distribute the .eps files, of course.

Agreed on all accounts.  However, there are cases where dvi output just
isn't feasible in practice.

Reuben Thomas has suggested more general latex support in bug 8099,
which also touches this area.

> Another possible change, in addition to messing with the documentation,
> would be to make the "dvi" a variable that such non-dvi-generating
> people can override with "pdf" if they wish.  Then they could get the
> benefit of the check in a clean way without forcing .eps.  Or maybe
> dvi: pdf
> would have the same effect?  I'm not sure.

Well, 'dvi: pdf' might help the distcheck to succeed, but generally, if
I run 'make dvi' then what I'd like is DVI not PDF output.  The latter
is not convertible into the former.  Enhancing distcheck to just not
bother checking dvi output and rather test PDF output seems like another
good alternative.

Thanks,
Ralf




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Hi Ralf and all,

make distcheck runs make dvi.  If an author has only made .pdf's with
images, this will cause a surprising error that .eps files are missing.
(Someone just wrote me about this.)

I see the issue has been noted before, e.g.:
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.automake.general/10304

I suggest that the workaround Ralf suggests there -- an empty make rule
for dvi: -- be explicitly documented.  Another (often preferable) option
is to create and distribute the .eps files, of course.

Another possible change, in addition to messing with the documentation,
would be to make the "dvi" a variable that such non-dvi-generating
people can override with "pdf" if they wish.  Then they could get the
benefit of the check in a clean way without forcing .eps.  Or maybe
dvi: pdf
would have the same effect?  I'm not sure.

Thanks,
Karl




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