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Subject: Re: bug#8500: util: where am i
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Hello,
You argue about the "old fashioned" way of the GNU tools without regard on
compatibility, compaction and efficiency requirements.
A "whereim" command implies providing a functionnality already provided by
other tools. Multiple tools for the same things is, imho, not the best
choice in the case of the core tools.
GNU is not Unix, but this also means that you can do things yourself.
Make a "whereim" command, make publicly available your version of the
coreutils with it or the corresponding patch.
Time will let us know if it was a pertinent move.
Regards, Cedric.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Panagiotis Tsiamis <ptsiamis@HIDDEN>wrote:
> Hey bob,
>
> You are really funny :)
> In which movie you saw that thing ?
>
>
> Anyway, if all of you still agree that the old fashion cli that is common
> legacy of unix back to 60"s must continue as is and nothing new
> and clever should arise after 50 years i have nothing more to say. And yes
> i
> believe that having an awkward command line based only on "cutted" words
> and system calls based on 60"s where K&R wouldn't have enough resources to
> make them, somewhat clearer i should stop right now the discussion.
>
> Hope there are some people that are realising the fact that the unix cli
> after 50 years is like a dinosaur. Yet a powerfull dinosaur but still a
> dino.
> We could have a more powerfull cli based in more human logic (like sql
> syntax maybe) more integrated logfiles that could easily be read and
> filtered out by one utillity (why everytime you need to search in logfiles,
> you end in a grep "pat" log|awk '{print blah}'|sed -e 's/dasd/dsa/g'|....).
> And dont stick to the example of syslog and say this is the syslog program
> that is responsible for this. I thought that gnu is creating a unix like
> operating system that is not unix. But all i see is something that is a lot
> of old fashion and legacy unix. What is been really changed from the old
> fashion unix shell? Oh yes, the list directory command has colors, the get
> regular expression and print command has recursive search. Wow, but i could
> easy use a find . -type f |exec grep -i {} \; .. so why put this feature to
> gnu grep? Why not. Why to create an integrated and easy command to check
> some things and see where i am? why not.
>
> You can leave it be dino for ever or you can evolve. Your choise.
>
> BR :)
>
> 2011/4/15 Bob Proulx <bob@HIDDEN>
>
> > Erik Auerswald wrote:
> > > uname -n
> >
> > A problem with uname is that traditionally this would truncate names
> > to eight characters. (I once had a hostname "aphrodite" and it would
> > always emit "aphrodit".) The uname structures are really problematic.
> > I recommend avoiding them.
> >
> > > All in all I don't see a need for a 'whereami' utility at all.
> >
> > For what it is worth I agree. What is available is already available.
> > And what isn't available such as gps location isn't possible to be
> > available and would have severe privacy concerns if it were.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > P.S. I have always wanted a utility to send lightning bolts out of the
> > keyboard just like what is shown in the movies when someone is
> > repelling a computer attack. But I don't think I will ever get that
> > one either.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Panayotis Tsiamis
> Systems / Software Engineer*
> *Tel: 0030 6977456436
> E-Mail*: ptsiamis@HIDDEN
>
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Hello,<div><br></div><div>You argue about the "old fashioned" way=
of the GNU tools without regard on compatibility,=A0compaction=A0and=A0eff=
iciency=A0requirements.</div><div><br></div><div>A "whereim" comm=
and implies providing a functionnality already provided by other tools. Mul=
tiple tools for=A0=A0the same things is, imho, not the best choice in the c=
ase of=A0the core tools.</div>
<div><br></div><div>GNU is not Unix, but this also means that you can do th=
ings yourself.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Make a "whereim" comma=
nd, make publicly available your version of the coreutils with it or the co=
rresponding patch.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Time will let us know if it was a=A0pertinent=A0move. =
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Cedric.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Panagiotis Tsiamis <span dir=3D"ltr">=
<<a href=3D"mailto:ptsiamis@HIDDEN">ptsiamis@HIDDEN</a>></span>=
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hey bob,<br>
<br>
You are really funny :)<br>
In which movie you saw that thing ?<br>
<br>
<br>
Anyway, if all of you still agree that the old fashion cli that is common<b=
r>
legacy of unix back to 60"s must continue as is and nothing new<br>
and clever should arise after 50 years i have nothing more to say. And yes =
i<br>
believe that having an awkward command line based only on "cutted"=
; words<br>
and system calls based on 60"s where K&R wouldn't have enough =
resources to<br>
make them, somewhat clearer i should stop right now the discussion.<br>
<br>
Hope there are some people that are realising the fact that the unix cli<br=
>
after 50 years is like a dinosaur. Yet a powerfull dinosaur but still a<br>
dino.<br>
We could have a more powerfull cli based in more human logic (like sql<br>
syntax maybe) more integrated logfiles that could easily be read and<br>
filtered out by one utillity (why everytime you need to search in logfiles,=
<br>
you end in a grep "pat" log|awk '{print blah}'|sed -e =
9;s/dasd/dsa/g'|....).<br>
And dont stick to the example of syslog and say this is the syslog program<=
br>
that is responsible for this. I thought that gnu is creating a unix like<br=
>
operating system that is not unix. But all i see is something that is a lot=
<br>
of =A0old fashion and legacy unix. What is been really changed from the old=
<br>
fashion unix shell? Oh yes, the list directory command has colors, the get<=
br>
regular expression and print command has recursive search. Wow, but i could=
<br>
easy use a find . -type f |exec grep -i {} \; .. so why put this feature to=
<br>
gnu grep? Why not. Why to create an integrated and easy command to check<br=
>
some things and =A0see where i am? why not.<br>
<br>
You can leave it be dino for ever or you can evolve. Your choise.<br>
<br>
BR :)<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
2011/4/15 Bob Proulx <<a href=3D"mailto:bob@HIDDEN">bob@HIDDEN</=
a>><br>
<br>
> Erik Auerswald wrote:<br>
> > uname -n<br>
><br>
> A problem with uname is that traditionally this would truncate names<b=
r>
> to eight characters. =A0(I once had a hostname "aphrodite" a=
nd it would<br>
> always emit "aphrodit".) =A0The uname structures are really =
problematic.<br>
> I recommend avoiding them.<br>
><br>
> > All in all I don't see a need for a 'whereami' utilit=
y at all.<br>
><br>
> For what it is worth I agree. =A0What is available is already availabl=
e.<br>
> And what isn't available such as gps location isn't possible t=
o be<br>
> available and would have severe privacy concerns if it were.<br>
><br>
> Bob<br>
><br>
> P.S. I have always wanted a utility to send lightning bolts out of the=
<br>
> keyboard just like what is shown in the movies when someone is<br>
> repelling a computer attack. =A0But I don't think I will ever get =
that<br>
> one either.<br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">--<br>
*Panayotis Tsiamis<br>
Systems / Software Engineer*<br>
*Tel: 0030 6977456436<br>
E-Mail*: <a href=3D"mailto:ptsiamis@HIDDEN">ptsiamis@HIDDEN</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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Subject: Re: bug#8500: util: where am i
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Hey bob,
You are really funny :)
In which movie you saw that thing ?
Anyway, if all of you still agree that the old fashion cli that is common
legacy of unix back to 60"s must continue as is and nothing new
and clever should arise after 50 years i have nothing more to say. And yes i
believe that having an awkward command line based only on "cutted" words
and system calls based on 60"s where K&R wouldn't have enough resources to
make them, somewhat clearer i should stop right now the discussion.
Hope there are some people that are realising the fact that the unix cli
after 50 years is like a dinosaur. Yet a powerfull dinosaur but still a
dino.
We could have a more powerfull cli based in more human logic (like sql
syntax maybe) more integrated logfiles that could easily be read and
filtered out by one utillity (why everytime you need to search in logfiles,
you end in a grep "pat" log|awk '{print blah}'|sed -e 's/dasd/dsa/g'|....).
And dont stick to the example of syslog and say this is the syslog program
that is responsible for this. I thought that gnu is creating a unix like
operating system that is not unix. But all i see is something that is a lot
of old fashion and legacy unix. What is been really changed from the old
fashion unix shell? Oh yes, the list directory command has colors, the get
regular expression and print command has recursive search. Wow, but i could
easy use a find . -type f |exec grep -i {} \; .. so why put this feature to
gnu grep? Why not. Why to create an integrated and easy command to check
some things and see where i am? why not.
You can leave it be dino for ever or you can evolve. Your choise.
BR :)
2011/4/15 Bob Proulx <bob@HIDDEN>
> Erik Auerswald wrote:
> > uname -n
>
> A problem with uname is that traditionally this would truncate names
> to eight characters. (I once had a hostname "aphrodite" and it would
> always emit "aphrodit".) The uname structures are really problematic.
> I recommend avoiding them.
>
> > All in all I don't see a need for a 'whereami' utility at all.
>
> For what it is worth I agree. What is available is already available.
> And what isn't available such as gps location isn't possible to be
> available and would have severe privacy concerns if it were.
>
> Bob
>
> P.S. I have always wanted a utility to send lightning bolts out of the
> keyboard just like what is shown in the movies when someone is
> repelling a computer attack. But I don't think I will ever get that
> one either.
>
--
*Panayotis Tsiamis
Systems / Software Engineer*
*Tel: 0030 6977456436
E-Mail*: ptsiamis@HIDDEN
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Hey bob,<div><br></div><div>You are really funny :)</div><div>In which movi=
e you saw that thing ?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, if a=
ll of you still agree that the old fashion cli that is common legacy of uni=
x back to 60"s must continue as is and nothing new</div>
<div>and clever should arise after 50 years i have nothing more to say. And=
yes i believe that having an awkward command line based only on "cutt=
ed" words</div><div>and system calls based on 60"s where K&R =
wouldn't have enough resources to make them, somewhat clearer i should =
stop right now the discussion.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Hope there are some people that are realising the fact =
that the unix cli after 50 years is like a dinosaur. Yet a powerfull dinosa=
ur but still a dino.</div><div>We could have a more powerfull cli based in =
more human logic (like sql syntax maybe) more integrated logfiles that coul=
d easily be=A0read and filtered out by one utillity (why everytime you need=
to search in logfiles, you end in a grep "pat" log|awk '{pri=
nt blah}'|sed -e 's/dasd/dsa/g'|....). And dont stick to the ex=
ample of syslog and say this is the syslog program that is responsible for =
this. I thought that gnu is creating a unix like operating system that is n=
ot unix. But all i see is something that is a lot of =A0old fashion and leg=
acy unix. What is been really changed from the old fashion unix shell? Oh y=
es, the list directory command has colors, the get regular expression and p=
rint command has recursive search. Wow, but i could easy use a find . -type=
f |exec grep -i {} \; .. so why put this feature to gnu grep? Why not. Why=
=A0to create an integrated and easy command to check some things and =A0see=
where i am? why not.</div>
<div><br></div><div>You can leave it be dino for ever or you can evolve. Yo=
ur choise.</div><div><br></div><div>BR :)</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">2011/4/15 Bob Proulx <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bob@pr=
oulx.com">bob@HIDDEN</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Erik Auerswald wrote:<br>
> uname -n<br>
<br>
A problem with uname is that traditionally this would truncate names<br>
to eight characters. =A0(I once had a hostname "aphrodite" and it=
would<br>
always emit "aphrodit".) =A0The uname structures are really probl=
ematic.<br>
I recommend avoiding them.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
> All in all I don't see a need for a 'whereami' utility at =
all.<br>
<br>
</div>For what it is worth I agree. =A0What is available is already availab=
le.<br>
And what isn't available such as gps location isn't possible to be<=
br>
available and would have severe privacy concerns if it were.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
P.S. I have always wanted a utility to send lightning bolts out of the<br>
keyboard just like what is shown in the movies when someone is<br>
repelling a computer attack. =A0But I don't think I will ever get that<=
br>
one either.<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><b><span style=3D"backg=
round-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><font color=3D"#000099">P</font></span>anay=
otis <font color=3D"#000099">T</font>siamis<br>Systems / Software Engineer<=
/b><br>
<b>Tel: 0030 6977456436<br>E-Mail</b>: <a href=3D"mailto:ptsiamis@HIDDEN=
" target=3D"_blank">ptsiamis@HIDDEN</a><br>
</div>
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Full text available.Received: (at 8500) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2011 20:43:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 15 16:43:02 2011 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1QApr4-0001kS-LW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:43:02 -0400 Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <bob@HIDDEN>) id 1QApr2-0001jz-AT for 8500 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:43:01 -0400 Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C6121312; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 903BF2DC57; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:42:53 -0600 From: Bob Proulx <bob@HIDDEN> To: 8500 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Panagiotis Tsiamis <ptsiamis@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#8500: util: where am i Message-ID: <20110415204253.GA20412@HIDDEN> References: <BANLkTikBC7G+zLxcTDANsqCijWP2mabCig@HIDDEN> <BANLkTinyXhVtLjqt5xazLE9_vZNOhDtVmQ@HIDDEN> <BANLkTikpPLOLvGNRwobYmfskCFK3HHTWqg@HIDDEN> <4DA82596.2040109@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DA82596.2040109@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Erik Auerswald wrote: > uname -n A problem with uname is that traditionally this would truncate names to eight characters. (I once had a hostname "aphrodite" and it would always emit "aphrodit".) The uname structures are really problematic. I recommend avoiding them. > All in all I don't see a need for a 'whereami' utility at all. For what it is worth I agree. What is available is already available. And what isn't available such as gps location isn't possible to be available and would have severe privacy concerns if it were. Bob P.S. I have always wanted a utility to send lightning bolts out of the keyboard just like what is shown in the movies when someone is repelling a computer attack. But I don't think I will ever get that one either.
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Hi,
please don't top post, thanks. And keep on reading for inline comments. ;-)
On 04/15/2011 09:33 AM, Panagiotis Tsiamis wrote:
> 2011/4/15 Bjartur Thorlacius<svartman95@HIDDEN>
>> On 4/14/11, Panagiotis Tsiamis<ptsiamis@HIDDEN> wrote:
>>> Request for adding one more feature on the utillity whoami.
>>>
>>> The feature should be able to called by
>>> "where am i" or "whereami"
>>>
>>> And should locate:
>>> a) System hostname
hostname
uname -n
>>> b) ip of the system
Bob had an excellent example:
ip addr | awk '/inet/{print $2}'
Of course this might be local and private addresses, not the IP address
used for your internet connection.
>>> c) current working directory
pwd
>>> d) anything else that could be usefull for identify where you are located
>>> currently.
Most GNU/Linux distributions configure the shell prompt to display the
usually helpful info, i.e. user name, host name, current working
directory. Some people use color (or even blinking) to highlight working
as a privileged user (root).
>> I doubt that should be included in coreutils. I could see the utility
>> of such an utility, and think packagers of SSH servers could well
>> suggest it, but I can more easily imagine a number of installations
>> where `hostname;pwd` would be as good, if not better.
Most shell configurations provide this info all the time.
> I don't dissagree about your opinion that involves ssh utillity to do this
> job (it could possibly also keep a look of systems that you recently connect
> also)
> but together with ssh there also are rsh/rlogin, telnet, and other remote
> connection software that can be used from cli.
You can use 'who', 'w', 'last', 'pinky' or 'finger' to find out from
where you (and others) are connected (and some additional info as well).
> I discuss the possibillity to
> integrate such a command that keeps tracks of recent systems, current
> system, system connection path (hostA->hostB->hostC) and distribute this
> information accordingly to each system you connect/disconnect. If anyone has
> furthermore ideas or is interested on a tool like this, hope will reply.
This kind of tracking functionality should be strictly opt-in.
All in all I don't see a need for a 'whereami' utility at all.
Regards,
Erik
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I discuss the possibillity to integrate such a command that keeps tracks of recent systems, current system, system connection path (hostA->hostB->hostC) and distribute this information accordingly to each system you connect/disconnect. If anyone has furthermore ideas or is interested on a tool like this, hope will reply. BR 2011/4/15 Bjartur Thorlacius <svartman95@HIDDEN> > On 4/14/11, Panagiotis Tsiamis <ptsiamis@HIDDEN> wrote: > > Request for adding one more feature on the utillity whoami. > > > > The feature should be able to called by > > "where am i" or "whereami" > > > > And should locate: > > a) System hostname > > b) ip of the system > > c) current working directory > > d) anything else that could be usefull for identify where you are located > > currently. > > > > BR. > > > I doubt that should be included in coreutils. I could see the utility > of such an utility, and think packagers of SSH servers could well > suggest it, but I can more easily imagine a number of installations > where `hostname;pwd` would be as good, if not better. > -- *Panayotis Tsiamis Systems / Software Engineer* *Tel: 0030 6977456436 E-Mail*: ptsiamis@HIDDEN --20cf3005deba23dd3f04a0f00e08 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Bjartur,<div><br></div><div>I don't dissagree about your opinion t= hat involves ssh utillity to do this job (it could possibly also keep a loo= k of systems that you recently connect also)</div><div>but together with ss= h there also are rsh/rlogin, telnet, =A0and other remote connection softwar= e that can be used from cli. I discuss the possibillity to integrate such a= command that keeps tracks of recent systems, current system, system connec= tion path (hostA->hostB->hostC) and distribute this information accor= dingly to each system you connect/disconnect. If anyone has furthermore ide= as or is interested on a tool like this, hope will reply.</div> <div><br></div><div>BR</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/4/15 B= jartur Thorlacius <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:svartman95@gmail.= com">svartman95@HIDDEN</a>></span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot= e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"= > On 4/14/11, Panagiotis Tsiamis <<a href=3D"mailto:ptsiamis@HIDDEN">pt= siamis@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br> > Request for adding one more feature on the utillity whoami.<br> ><br> > The feature should be able to called by<br> > "where am i" or "whereami"<br> ><br> > And should locate:<br> > a) System hostname<br> > b) ip of the system<br> > c) current working directory<br> > d) anything else that could be usefull for identify where you are loca= ted<br> > currently.<br> ><br> > BR.<br> ><br> I doubt that should be included in coreutils. I could see the utility<br> of such an utility, and think packagers of SSH servers could well<br> suggest it, but I can more easily imagine a number of installations<br> where `hostname;pwd` would be as good, if not better.<br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><b><span style=3D"backg= round-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><font color=3D"#000099">P</font></span>anay= otis <font color=3D"#000099">T</font>siamis<br>Systems / Software Engineer<= /b><br> <b>Tel: 0030 6977456436<br>E-Mail</b>: <a href=3D"mailto:ptsiamis@HIDDEN= " target=3D"_blank">ptsiamis@HIDDEN</a><br> </div> --20cf3005deba23dd3f04a0f00e08--
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severity 8500 wishlist
thanks
Panagiotis Tsiamis wrote:
> Request for adding one more feature on the utillity whoami.
>
> The feature should be able to called by
> "where am i" or "whereami"
>
> And should locate:
> a) System hostname
$ hostname
> b) ip of the system
You tickled a pet issue of mine. A host rarely has just one IP
address. This would need to be a list of addresses.
$ ip addr show | awk '/inet/{print$2}'
A host has a number of network interfaces and each network interface
has a number of IP addresses. This results in a host potentially
having quite a few associated addresses!
On my network all simple hosts have four IP addresses. A more
complicated host has seven IP addresses. One of the most interesting
hosts has 17 IP addresses.
> c) current working directory
$ pwd
> d) anything else that could be usefull for identify where you are located
> currently.
$ gpslocation # <-- Just joking here.
Bob
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Full text available.Received: (at 8500) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Apr 2011 21:25:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 14 17:25:03 2011 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1QAU2B-0002Vx-KQ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:25:03 -0400 Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.212.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <svartman95@HIDDEN>) id 1QAU2A-0002VS-9T for 8500 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:25:02 -0400 Received: by vws12 with SMTP id 12so1701292vws.3 for <8500 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:24:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+1slnBnvVx/mSPegVBYyAF/sHz7yst8ETvuUitCge/k=; b=g7zt+AHkX0Pd8jFHHSteW26MXs/kTtdumCjkpoV1iMrj0ReqWzLKe1rctAfyT4vsox HFtD7gZsPvjBI8AnpFDP+spgWLT79K89EBbFG9uBT+5753YBP4bYovqYOWLinkxoMyzi Dr+h8PJg0bqmkkkCtoIrpO4vHaaBjSI+VJhAk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=XkKwhetgYKdgFc9DDkoCEzNuMychLW2f+yMS59AR7GKdDE/BE5HYG4idkcohGkPNg2 rH5HxlHGXTrOmKmysf2B1GiCCn/3urbtJ3Z3pV/CfvayK/C0fmLhCaVVJfuCSAzotmVk p4wJ+jIZePcQb5Dvbu84y/6EbhAZbXvXIv2yA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.99.39 with SMTP id en7mr1845135vdb.170.1302816296643; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.167.228 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:24:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikBC7G+zLxcTDANsqCijWP2mabCig@HIDDEN> References: <BANLkTikBC7G+zLxcTDANsqCijWP2mabCig@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:24:56 +0000 Message-ID: <BANLkTinyXhVtLjqt5xazLE9_vZNOhDtVmQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#8500: util: where am i From: Bjartur Thorlacius <svartman95@HIDDEN> To: Panagiotis Tsiamis <ptsiamis@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 8500 Cc: 8500 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) On 4/14/11, Panagiotis Tsiamis <ptsiamis@HIDDEN> wrote: > Request for adding one more feature on the utillity whoami. > > The feature should be able to called by > "where am i" or "whereami" > > And should locate: > a) System hostname > b) ip of the system > c) current working directory > d) anything else that could be usefull for identify where you are located > currently. > > BR. > I doubt that should be included in coreutils. I could see the utility of such an utility, and think packagers of SSH servers could well suggest it, but I can more easily imagine a number of installations where `hostname;pwd` would be as good, if not better.
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Apr 2011 16:10:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 14 12:10:03 2011 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1QAP7K-0003ph-Ts for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:10:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <ptsiamis@HIDDEN>) id 1QAMBu-0007uD-5Y for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:02:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ptsiamis@HIDDEN>) id 1QAMBj-0003za-Kj for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:02:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:49487) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ptsiamis@HIDDEN>) id 1QAMBj-0003zW-J8 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:02:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54541) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ptsiamis@HIDDEN>) id 1QAMBe-0003b6-S5 for bug-coreutils@HIDDEN; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:02:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ptsiamis@HIDDEN>) id 1QAMBZ-0003ys-Tw for bug-coreutils@HIDDEN; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:02:18 -0400 Received: from mail-pw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:55852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ptsiamis@HIDDEN>) id 1QAMBZ-0003yV-Ec for bug-coreutils@HIDDEN; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:02:13 -0400 Received: by pwi10 with SMTP id 10so825649pwi.0 for <bug-coreutils@HIDDEN>; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:02:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mZ1oHUbjHC/cW+ExvnsFmOPvU47XXLwHeVxrwvrDsrE=; b=OaYKKktXvPvk22RWowN65e2og/obGkTo/cejmHJkIypm4GlIyytqGJODo6v3pr+oy+ 6sI5seUj46j1B/ehG9ZTogpQol6E/bS8dbhz796IWRNxwzVjpCUVjZbzk7q80u6guqyx 3PZXF0YyUjFakrAFplvjM9ExnY7KxfQjlv4S4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=TlBcRB7MfoekoBA0HKh/MNubxSZT4xm8KcaHAcleLvXb5N6783RNovvpXJ8Wmp9cay 4IKllyekLU3Bk2YPRYRta0O7s6XlzKszjo1FhYLlH5bvK/GzAtUJl+20v6TDLj+z57oZ Pst1gZzMXchUcLaeydPXncKUC/SwBeudG/ddc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.34.170 with SMTP id a10mr426529pbj.288.1302786131487; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.57.73 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:02:11 +0300 Message-ID: <BANLkTikBC7G+zLxcTDANsqCijWP2mabCig@HIDDEN> Subject: util: where am i From: Panagiotis Tsiamis <ptsiamis@HIDDEN> To: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec520e83795e9c604a0e0888c X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:10:01 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/pipermail/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) --bcaec520e83795e9c604a0e0888c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Request for adding one more feature on the utillity whoami. The feature should be able to called by "where am i" or "whereami" And should locate: a) System hostname b) ip of the system c) current working directory d) anything else that could be usefull for identify where you are located currently. BR. -- *Panayotis Tsiamis Systems / Software Engineer* *Tel: 0030 6977456436 E-Mail*: ptsiamis@HIDDEN --bcaec520e83795e9c604a0e0888c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Request for adding one more feature on the utillity whoami.<div><br></div><= div>The feature should be able to called by</div><div>"where am i"= ; or "whereami"</div><div><br></div><div>And should locate:</div> <div>a)=A0System hostname</div><div>b) ip of the system</div><div>c) curren= t working directory</div><div>d) anything else that could be usefull for id= entify where you are located currently.</div><div><br></div><div>BR.</div> <div><br>-- <br><b><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><fon= t color=3D"#000099">P</font></span>anayotis <font color=3D"#000099">T</font= >siamis<br>Systems / Software Engineer</b><br><b>Tel: 0030 6977456436<br>E-= Mail</b>: <a href=3D"mailto:ptsiamis@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">ptsiamis@= gmail.com</a><br> </div> --bcaec520e83795e9c604a0e0888c--
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