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Hi,
1)run emacs --daemon
2)open two emacsclient on two seprate terminals
3)on first emacs: C-x C-f   (and I don't Enter any file address)
4)go to second terminal running emacsclient 
5)I can't edit that buffer while go back to the first terminal (that I entered C-x C-f)
and enter C-g

I don't know if it's a feature or is it a bug?!!
But I think I should be able to edit the buffer while C-x C-f is running in another terminal


In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.5)
 of 2011-09-26 on myhost
Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Lisp Interaction

Minor modes in effect:
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
ESC [ > 0 ; 1 1 5 ; 0 c ESC [ > 0 ; 1 1 5 ; 0 c C-x 
C-f C-g <switch-frame> s d d s d s C-p C-p C-p ESC 
x C-g <switch-frame> ESC x r e ESC x ESC x C-g ESC 
x r e g DEL p o TAB r TAB RET

Recent messages:
("emacs")
Starting Emacs daemon.
When done with this frame, type C-x 5 0 [2 times]
Quit [2 times]
completing-read-default: Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer [2 times]
Quit [2 times]
Making completion list...

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sinoohe.mkh@HIDDEN wrote:

> 1)run emacs --daemon
> 2)open two emacsclient on two seprate terminals
> 3)on first emacs: C-x C-f   (and I don't Enter any file address)
> 4)go to second terminal running emacsclient 
> 5)I can't edit that buffer while go back to the first terminal (that I entered C-x C-f)
> and enter C-g

Does it help to

(setq enable-recursive-minibuffers t)

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no,
nothing new happened!
the problem still existing

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> wrote:
> sinoohe.mkh@HIDDEN wrote:
>
>> 1)run emacs --daemon
>> 2)open two emacsclient on two seprate terminals
>> 3)on first emacs: C-x C-f   (and I don't Enter any file address)
>> 4)go to second terminal running emacsclient
>> 5)I can't edit that buffer while go back to the first terminal (that I
entered C-x C-f)
>> and enter C-g
>
> Does it help to
>
> (setq enable-recursive-minibuffers t)
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">no,<div>nothing new happened!</div><div>the problem still =
existing<br><br>On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Glenn Morris &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:rgm@HIDDEN">rgm@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <a href=3D"mailt=
o:sinoohe.mkh@HIDDEN">sinoohe.mkh@HIDDEN</a> wrote:<br>

&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; 1)run emacs --daemon<br>&gt;&gt; 2)open two emacsclient on=
 two seprate terminals<br>&gt;&gt; 3)on first emacs: C-x C-f =C2=A0 (and I =
don&#39;t Enter any file address)<br>&gt;&gt; 4)go to second terminal runni=
ng emacsclient<br>

&gt;&gt; 5)I can&#39;t edit that buffer while go back to the first terminal=
 (that I entered C-x C-f)<br>&gt;&gt; and enter C-g<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Does it=
 help to<br>&gt;<br>&gt; (setq enable-recursive-minibuffers t)<br>&gt;<br>

<br><br><br></div></div>

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sinoohe.mkh@HIDDEN writes:

> 1)run emacs --daemon
> 2)open two emacsclient on two seprate terminals
> 3)on first emacs: C-x C-f   (and I don't Enter any file address)
> 4)go to second terminal running emacsclient 
> 5)I can't edit that buffer while go back to the first terminal (that I entered C-x C-f)
> and enter C-g

(I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately got little response at
the time.)

I can confirm that this problem is still present in Emacs 28.  But I
vaguely recall there being some discussion about this recently -- has
Emacs gotten a way around this issue now?  Anybody remember?

(enable-recursive-minibuffers doesn't help.)

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> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 16:36:24 +0200
> Cc: 9729 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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> > 1)run emacs --daemon
> > 2)open two emacsclient on two seprate terminals
> > 3)on first emacs: C-x C-f   (and I don't Enter any file address)
> > 4)go to second terminal running emacsclient 
> > 5)I can't edit that buffer while go back to the first terminal (that I entered C-x C-f)
> > and enter C-g
> 
> (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately got little response at
> the time.)
> 
> I can confirm that this problem is still present in Emacs 28.  But I
> vaguely recall there being some discussion about this recently -- has
> Emacs gotten a way around this issue now?  Anybody remember?

It's a basic limitation of our keyboard input: we can only read from a
single frame at a time.

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> It's a basic limitation of our keyboard input: we can only read from a
> single frame at a time.

I guess that'd be difficult to fix...  but could we do something about
how this works in an emacsclient context?

That is, if you `M-x' and then change frames in a normal GUI Emacs, the
`M-x' will follow you around.  There's no such concept in emacsclient as
an "active frame", but could we somehow make minibuffer commands abort
the action in other frames?

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> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> > It's a basic limitation of our keyboard input: we can only read from a
> > single frame at a time.
> 
> I guess that'd be difficult to fix...  but could we do something about
> how this works in an emacsclient context?
> 
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> `M-x' will follow you around.  There's no such concept in emacsclient as
> an "active frame", but could we somehow make minibuffer commands abort
> the action in other frames?

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> AFAIR, the prompt follows to another GUI frame because that frame gets
> the focus-in event.  If I'm right, then it should also work with
> emacsclient frames on terminals that support focus-in events.

Let's see...  I create a daemon and two "-nw" emacsclients, and then:

(setq focus-in-hook '((lambda () (message "focus %s" (selected-frame)))))

Clicking in the two clients does not display the message, so I guess
that these terminals do not support focus-in events?  (This is
Debian/bullseye under Gnome Shell, with "Terminal" as the terminal,
which should be a very common environment.)

> Failing that, how to tell Emacs to switch to another frame, and would
> the way to do that easier than just typing C-g and switching to the
> client frame "by hand"?

I don't know the former, but perhaps the main problem with doing it
manually today is that you first have to find the emacsclient that has
the minibuffer active to hit `C-g' in it.  Hitting `C-g' in any other
terminal does nothing.

Perhaps that is something that could be fixed?  That is, in an
emacsclient context, `C-g' should interrupt the minibuffer action, no
matter what frame it's happening in?

-- 
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> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
> Cc: sinoohe.mkh@HIDDEN,  9729 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 14:02:51 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> > AFAIR, the prompt follows to another GUI frame because that frame gets
> > the focus-in event.  If I'm right, then it should also work with
> > emacsclient frames on terminals that support focus-in events.
> 
> Let's see...  I create a daemon and two "-nw" emacsclients, and then:
> 
> (setq focus-in-hook '((lambda () (message "focus %s" (selected-frame)))))
> 
> Clicking in the two clients does not display the message, so I guess
> that these terminals do not support focus-in events?  (This is
> Debian/bullseye under Gnome Shell, with "Terminal" as the terminal,
> which should be a very common environment.)

xterm does.  I don't know about Terminal.

> > Failing that, how to tell Emacs to switch to another frame, and would
> > the way to do that easier than just typing C-g and switching to the
> > client frame "by hand"?
> 
> I don't know the former, but perhaps the main problem with doing it
> manually today is that you first have to find the emacsclient that has
> the minibuffer active to hit `C-g' in it.  Hitting `C-g' in any other
> terminal does nothing.
> 
> Perhaps that is something that could be fixed?  That is, in an
> emacsclient context, `C-g' should interrupt the minibuffer action, no
> matter what frame it's happening in?

How can this work if we don't read input from the frame where you type
C-g?

But I don't consider myself an expert on this stuff, so maybe there is
a way.

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> How can this work if we don't read input from the frame where you type
> C-g?

Isn't there a special handler for `C-g'?  I vaguely seem to recall there
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But I don't know much about this area at all.

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