Received: (at 9897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2011 01:42:17 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 29 21:42:17 2011 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1RKKPg-0008LW-Ps for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:42:17 -0400 Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <tim.visher@HIDDEN>) id 1RKKPe-0008LO-Gc for 9897 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:42:15 -0400 Received: by iabn5 with SMTP id n5so5646901iab.3 for <9897 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:40:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VoysGYS7kVuA8XlBzrEfFjdIUSCVIgiM/IJw/9mr8lk=; b=o0CNAhQGLouqc3Bx3xjLNqECEcvQxi4+wXp+OmpCtL3PR/56e9lh+uGxkUuL9zV7mf iBImLWX/JFk00MeW57YVK/Zm256+hfzdMKaqpXiHxM0P+dvwjXQlzSuwwY+eF6TU0tS+ m7w9k57lQZtvY2jOAGLJTjmaDu4jjET2MXlYw= Received: by 10.231.8.205 with SMTP id i13mr1712417ibi.34.1319938806146; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:40:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.17.194 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:39:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ipn8sau5.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <B1C97D9F-E705-4EE2-A434-4B085B272C0B@HIDDEN> <83hb2t9cmt.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAHa53uwhY35i7Af=+Jb0cBN6fPvTQFQ5gaMzvAy+cPd0qnku4g@HIDDEN> <87ipn8sau5.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Tim Visher <tim.visher@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:39:45 -0400 Message-ID: <CAHa53uzx8eLD9R490ipXZokdFiwaxB908GTzR9cOQQnphNsOSw@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#9897: 24.0.90; w32 control character configuration is severely lacking compared to ns-win.el To: Jason Rumney <jasonr@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 9897 Cc: 9897 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Jason Rumney <jasonr@HIDDEN> wrote: > Tim Visher <tim.visher@HIDDEN> writes: > >> I'm essentially looking for modifier key parity with ns ala: >> >> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/emacs/trunk/annotate/head:/lisp/term/ns-w= in.el#L182 >> >> On Windows, that list would probably look like: >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (defvaralias 'pc-allow-anti-aliasing 'pc-antialias-text) My point with these and the many lines you inlined pointing me to the various w32-* variables is that the ns-* variables are more robust and easier to use than the w32 variables. For instance, ns-* exposes right, left, and both as variables, while w32 only exposes right/left. ns-* also exposes option, command, and control, while w32-* exposes none of alt/windows/control, and leaves it to be configured through hard-swapping the keys through registry hacks. >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (defvaralias 'pc-control-modifier 'pc-control-modifier) >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (defvaralias 'pc-right-control-modifier 'pc-right-control-= modifier) >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (defvaralias 'pc-alt-modifier 'pc-alt-modifier) > > Standard keyboard keys can be remapped outside of Emacs. Commonly this > is done to swap left-control and caps-lock, for example, see > http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SwapControlAltAndCapsLock My point is not that it's impossible to remap these keys outside of emacs. My point is that the mac os remapping feature is far more robust than the windows feature. For me, I am unable to remap these keys outside of emacs as I need to be able to pair program with other people on these machines at work. I just want them to be remapped inside emacs, which I can do easily on os x, but not at all on windows. The reason that I ran up against this at all is that I'm trying to move away from having caps lock be control as I've begun to experience emacs pinky. I would like to have the command/alt key be control, option/windows key be meta, and control/[apps|control] be super on the two platforms, only in emacs. This is possible on the mac but not possible on windows. >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (defvaralias 'pc-function-modifier 'pc-function-modifier) > > No idea which key you mean here. If you mean the Fn key present on some > laptop keyboards, I beleive this is handled by the keyboard hardware or > low level drivers, and not exposed by the OS. It may or may not be exposed by the OS, but on the Mac it is exposed. If it's not possible because of low-level operating system details, I understand, and perhaps that should be documented, but the point is that when comparing the configurability of the two systems, windows is lagging behind the mac by leaps and bounds.
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> From: Tim Visher <tim.visher@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:14:06 -0400
>>
>> I'm trying to configure what pressing Alt, Windows, Apps, and Control on
>> a windows keyboard translates to in emacs. I use emacs on both Macs and
>> Windows boxen and I'm used to configuring the keys on macs using
>> ns-win.el bindings like:
>>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (if (boundp 'mac-command-modifier) (setq mac-command-modif=
ier 'control))
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (if (boundp 'mac-option-modifier) (setq mac-option-modifie=
r 'meta))
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (if (boundp 'mac-control-modifier) (setq mac-control-modif=
ier 'super))
>>
>> Compared to that library, the ability to configure what the meta keys
>> map to on windows is severely lacking, not allowing configuration at all
>> of what the control-modifier is mapped to, and providing only toggles
>> for the windows keys and apps keys.
>
> What other keys do you have on your keyboard that you'd like to
> configure on Windows? =C2=A0There's no "command modifier" and no "option
> modifier" on Windows.
>
> Note that in addition to what you mentioned, there's
> w32-enable-caps-lock and w32-enable-num-lock that you can use to
> produce 2 more symbols.
>
Thanks for your quick response!
I'm essentially looking for modifier key parity with ns ala:
http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/emacs/trunk/annotate/head:/lisp/term/ns-win.=
el#L182
On Windows, that list would probably look like:
(defvaralias 'pc-allow-anti-aliasing 'pc-antialias-text)
(defvaralias 'pc-windows-modifier 'pc-windows-modifier)
(defvaralias 'pc-right-windows-modifier 'pc-right-windows-modifier)
(defvaralias 'pc-control-modifier 'pc-control-modifier)
(defvaralias 'pc-right-control-modifier 'pc-right-control-modifier)
(defvaralias 'pc-alt-modifier 'pc-alt-modifier)
(defvaralias 'pc-right-alt-modifier 'pc-right-alt-modifier)
(defvaralias 'pc-function-modifier 'pc-function-modifier)
(defvaralias 'pc-apps-modifier 'pc-apps-modifier)
And then you could set them using the same contract that I listed in
the opening mail.
Make sense?
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From: Tim Visher <tim.visher@HIDDEN>
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Subject: 24.0.90;
w32 control character configuration is severely lacking compared to
ns-win.el
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:14:06 -0400
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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe
starting from `emacs -Q':
I'm trying to configure what pressing Alt, Windows, Apps, and Control on
a windows keyboard translates to in emacs. I use emacs on both Macs and
Windows boxen and I'm used to configuring the keys on macs using
ns-win.el bindings like:
(if (boundp 'mac-command-modifier) (setq mac-command-modifier =
'control))
(if (boundp 'mac-option-modifier) (setq mac-option-modifier 'meta))
(if (boundp 'mac-control-modifier) (setq mac-control-modifier =
'super))
Compared to that library, the ability to configure what the meta keys
map to on windows is severely lacking, not allowing configuration at all
of what the control-modifier is mapped to, and providing only toggles
for the windows keys and apps keys.
I'm mainly just reporting this glaring inequality.
If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include the output from the following gdb commands:
`bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/HEAD/share/emacs/24.0.90/etc/DEBUG.
In GNU Emacs 24.0.90.1 (i386-apple-darwin10.8.0, NS =
apple-appkit-1038.36)
of 2011-10-27 on 184-243-147-41.pools.spcsdns.net
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038
configured using `configure '--prefix=3D/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/HEAD' =
'--without-dbus' =
'--enable-locallisppath=3D/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp' =
'--infodir=3D/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/HEAD/share/info/emacs' '--with-ns' =
'--disable-ns-self-contained' 'CC=3D/usr/bin/llvm-gcc' 'CFLAGS=3D-O3 =
-march=3Dcore2 -w -pipe''
Important settings:
value of $LC_ALL: nil
value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
value of $LC_TIME: nil
value of $LANG: nil
value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
locale-coding-system: nil
default enable-multibyte-characters: t
Major mode: Emacs-Lisp
Minor modes in effect:
hi-lock-mode: t
recentf-mode: t
erc-list-mode: t
erc-menu-mode: t
erc-autojoin-mode: t
erc-ring-mode: t
erc-networks-mode: t
erc-pcomplete-mode: t
erc-track-mode: t
erc-track-minor-mode: t
erc-match-mode: t
erc-button-mode: t
erc-fill-mode: t
erc-stamp-mode: t
erc-netsplit-mode: t
eldoc-mode: t
elisp-slime-nav-mode: t
paredit-mode: t
idle-highlight-mode: t
textmate-mode: t
glasses-mode: t
whitespace-mode: t
shell-dirtrack-mode: t
erc-irccontrols-mode: t
erc-noncommands-mode: t
erc-move-to-prompt-mode: t
erc-readonly-mode: t
ido-ubiquitous: t
show-paren-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
column-number-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
hs-minor-mode: t
Recent input:
o t SPC s e e i n g SPC a SPC s y s t e m SPC m a i=20
l SPC i n SPC t h e SPC v a l i d SPC v a l u e s SPC=20
o f SPC t h a t SPC v a r <return> a h <return> m e=20
s s a g e - s e n d M-/ M-/ M-/ M-/ M-/ C-a C-k l o=20
l <return> b o <return> b o o * <return> a s s M-/=20
: SPC t h a n k s ! SPC I <backspace> i ' d SPC a p=20
p r e c i a t e SPC t h a t <return> C-x o <tab> <tab>=20
<tab> <tab> <tab> <tab> <tab> <tab> <tab> <return>=20
<tab> <tab> <return> q C-x o C-x o C-p C-p C-p C-p=20
C-x o C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p M-f M-f M-f=20
M-f <f1> v <return> C-x 4 C-o <return> C-f C-f M-d=20
M-d M-d m a i l - c l i e n t - s e n d M-b M-b C-h=20
C-e M-b M-f - i t C-e C-x C-e C-x C-s C-n C-a C-k C-k=20
C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k=20
C-k C-x C-s C-b C-x C-e C-x C-s C-x b <return> C-c=20
C-c C-x o C-n M-> j l f / <backspace> M-/ : M-h M-h=20
j l M-/ : SPC T h a n k s ! SPC t h a t SPC d o e s=20
SPC i t <return> C-x o M-x e m a r e p <backspace>=20
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=20
r e p o r t b u <return>
Recent messages:
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Saving file /Users/tim/Dropbox/.emacs.d/init.el...
Wrote /Users/tim/Dropbox/.emacs.d/init.el
Saving file /Users/tim/Dropbox/.emacs.d/init.el...
Wrote /Users/tim/Dropbox/.emacs.d/init.el
mailclient-send-it
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Sending...done
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multi-isearch info network-stream auth-source eieio byte-opt bytecomp
byte-compile cconv macroexp assoc gnus-util mm-util mail-prsvr
password-cache starttls tls erc-menu erc-join erc-ring erc-networks
erc-pcomplete erc-track erc-match erc-button wid-edit erc-fill erc-stamp
erc-netsplit eldoc elisp-slime-nav etags paredit saveplace
idle-highlight-mode hideshow easymenu textmate imenu glasses whitespace
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advice-preload magit-autoloads ido-ubiquitous-autoloads smex-autoloads
find-file-in-project-autoloads idle-highlight-mode-autoloads
paredit-autoloads textmate-autoloads package tabulated-list time-date
tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win tool-bar dnd
fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer
select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core
frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai
tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european
ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help
simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face files
text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule
custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process ns
multi-tty emacs)
Tim Visher <tim.visher@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#9897; Package emacs.
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