Received: (at 65069) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2023 11:29:15 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 09 07:29:15 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38378 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qThNL-0007U5-5R for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 07:29:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54768) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qThNI-0007Ts-NN for 65069 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 07:29:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qThNB-0003cD-7J; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 07:29:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=JZ/DOplulm6N9U9Hn68uyZw6a9POkmLsuVGvLZKvp3s=; b=SLGGfSr/Ru/Izigd67XO W03iLxfxktUahrsoozuBUcv5ZttJW6su9oinsiD+yZfwzcicrHhAGFrDNMAJ+soQWkVfwOQMlpPjq SWhw4FOu71Ja28mbteSYBv2iKPgETk/5EJegNVd+SCbnO3tAopLnHDsEiDhG+G5yBRsb2FJDpQveo 9Yev/6TlpkkyU0m7xAKcDDG3C8vKPOzWhEEEmiag7hr2FKB+7qnoVETB2XVd9t2EACHfRkujEYSVi 1ieLtZ5UIM8Yshu1w8GhYJ9kpCu/HaStstv/MW5CCkdJ/pewx7FkKN6ZLJcfNtzD4mBspMoGYaVLm QEgg7orLseHsFQ==; Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2023 14:29:26 +0300 Message-Id: <83bkfgmp2h.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Sean O'Rourke <sean@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <BE8F7FB7-38D6-49F0-A8FD-30D6B4412925@HIDDEN> (message from Sean O'Rourke on Tue, 8 Aug 2023 20:21:14 -0600) Subject: Re: bug#65069: ispell-region does not preserve the region References: <550E8F38-DE56-45BF-914A-A1608594537A@HIDDEN> <83350xu8qz.fsf@HIDDEN> <BE8F7FB7-38D6-49F0-A8FD-30D6B4412925@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65069 Cc: 65069 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sean O'Rourke <sean@HIDDEN> > Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 20:21:14 -0600 > Cc: 65069 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Thanks for the prompt and thorough response, Eli. My use case is that I store multiple blog posts in a single file. When I compose one, I select it, run ispell-region, then copy-paste the corrected text into a webpage. Ispell changing the region is therefore unhelpful to me, but if that’s an uncommon usage pattern, I can just defadvice it myself to get the old behavior back — no need for another user option. OK, thanks. I'll leave the bug open so that others who'd like to have such an option could chime in. If there's enough demand, I think we should add it.
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