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As documented in the emacs Manual, the default value for
`message-auto-save-directory' is stated to be `~/Mail/drafts'. What it
neglects to mention is that this value depends on two things:
* The value of `message-directory'.
* Whether `message-directory' is writable. (or exists)

This is followed by more surprising behaviors, none obvious from reading
the manual:

* If the (claimed to be default value) ~/Mail/drafts/ directory doesn't
exist or ~/Mail doesn't exist (or isn't writable), a `M-x describe-value
<RET> message-auto-save-directory' will indicate that its current value
is ~/ and was changed from the default value.

The result: user is left with an impression that they've configured
`message-auto-save-directory' somewhere and sends them searching for
where they might have set it in their init.el.

Note: Creating the ~/Mail/drafts manually is not enough to influence the
variable, the directory must be created manually and emacs restarted in
order for `M-x describe-value <RET> message-auto-save-directory' to
indicate ~/Mail/drafts as its current (and unchanged from default)
value.

* Inconsistent expectations between `message-auto-save-directory' and
`message-directory'.

Since `message-auto-save-directory' can (silently) fallback to ~/ in the
event that ~/Mail doesn't exist or isn't writable and indicate ~/ as its
set value it should be fair to reason that the same behavior happens for
`message-directory'. Turns out that `message-directory' has ~/Mail as
its value and exhibits no fallback behavior, regardless of the
directory's existence or writability in contrast to what's observed with
`message-auto-save-directory'.


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project geiser-completion geiser-eval geiser-connection tq geiser-syntax
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geiser-base ring scheme misearch multi-isearch jka-compr find-func
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cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files
window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages
mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind
inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting
cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process
native-compile emacs)

Memory information:
((conses 16 1138820 37573)
 (symbols 48 25022 8)
 (strings 32 156755 6119)
 (string-bytes 1 4329222)
 (vectors 16 61696)
 (vector-slots 8 1739970 79841)
 (floats 8 4757 343)
 (intervals 56 88968 1716)
 (buffers 992 39))

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Bruno.

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