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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2023 17:02:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 19 13:02:32 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57743 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qie7L-0004Qv-Aw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:02:32 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:59218) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mirai@HIDDEN>) id 1qie7H-0004QY-RG for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:02:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <mirai@HIDDEN>) id 1qie6a-00029Z-8w for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:01:57 -0400 Received: from smtpmciv1.myservices.hosting ([185.26.107.237]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <mirai@HIDDEN>) id 1qie6W-0003PK-Nj for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:01:44 -0400 Received: from mail1.netim.hosting (unknown [185.26.106.173]) by smtpmciv1.myservices.hosting (Postfix) with ESMTP id D778920858 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 19:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.netim.hosting (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231988009F; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 19:01:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail1.netim.hosting Received: from mail1.netim.hosting ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1-2.netim.hosting [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Kx0HBAnMW9o7; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 19:01:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from guix-nuc (unknown [10.192.1.83]) (Authenticated sender: lumen@HIDDEN) by mail1.netim.hosting (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7D9218009B; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 19:01:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Bruno Victal <mirai@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 28.2; Confusing behavior of message-auto-save-directory X-Hashcash: 1:26:230919:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN::fw/wiHngjuUXFuTD:1UDZi Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 18:01:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87jzsm14j4.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.26.107.237; envelope-from=mirai@HIDDEN; helo=smtpmciv1.myservices.hosting X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, PDS_BTC_ID=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) As documented in the emacs Manual, the default value for `message-auto-save-directory' is stated to be `~/Mail/drafts'. What it neglects to mention is that this value depends on two things: * The value of `message-directory'. * Whether `message-directory' is writable. (or exists) This is followed by more surprising behaviors, none obvious from reading the manual: * If the (claimed to be default value) ~/Mail/drafts/ directory doesn't exist or ~/Mail doesn't exist (or isn't writable), a `M-x describe-value <RET> message-auto-save-directory' will indicate that its current value is ~/ and was changed from the default value. The result: user is left with an impression that they've configured `message-auto-save-directory' somewhere and sends them searching for where they might have set it in their init.el. Note: Creating the ~/Mail/drafts manually is not enough to influence the variable, the directory must be created manually and emacs restarted in order for `M-x describe-value <RET> message-auto-save-directory' to indicate ~/Mail/drafts as its current (and unchanged from default) value. * Inconsistent expectations between `message-auto-save-directory' and `message-directory'. Since `message-auto-save-directory' can (silently) fallback to ~/ in the event that ~/Mail doesn't exist or isn't writable and indicate ~/ as its set value it should be fair to reason that the same behavior happens for `message-directory'. Turns out that `message-directory' has ~/Mail as its value and exhibits no fallback behavior, regardless of the directory's existence or writability in contrast to what's observed with `message-auto-save-directory'. In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.37, cairo version 1.16.0) Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004 System Description: Guix System Configured using: 'configure CONFIG_SHELL=/gnu/store/rib9g2ig1xf3kclyl076w28parmncg4k-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash SHELL=/gnu/store/rib9g2ig1xf3kclyl076w28parmncg4k-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash --prefix=/gnu/store/3q8qbmwghz89zmcskby71yyhx6w4h6xn-emacs-28.2 --enable-fast-install --with-modules --with-cairo --with-native-compilation --disable-build-details' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $EMACSLOADPATH: 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font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 1138820 37573) (symbols 48 25022 8) (strings 32 156755 6119) (string-bytes 1 4329222) (vectors 16 61696) (vector-slots 8 1739970 79841) (floats 8 4757 343) (intervals 56 88968 1716) (buffers 992 39)) -- Thanks, Bruno.
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