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Hi,
here is a question that Emacs newbies ask often: "How can I configure
dired so that mouse clicks don't create a new window/frame."
Unfortunately, this is currently not trivial.
Obviously, Emacs dired differs from most "common" file browsers which
just replace the current buffer/tab with the content of the clicked
file.
Not every user will like the behavior of Emacs here - we should give
users the possibility to configure this easily.
At least, we should define a new command dired-mouse-find-file
(without "-other-window") which users can bind if they want. It's
missing.
But since dired is a very basic and widely used tool, and many newbies
will not know hooks, I think it would be a better solution if we could
provide a new user option that controls the behavior of mouse-2 in
dired in this regard.
(Note: if you want to do something like that, please don't forget to
change the tooltips.)
Regards,
Michael.
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> here is a question that Emacs newbies ask often: "How can I configure
> dired so that mouse clicks don't create a new window/frame."
> Unfortunately, this is currently not trivial.
>
> Obviously, Emacs dired differs from most "common" file browsers which
> just replace the current buffer/tab with the content of the clicked
> file.
>
> Not every user will like the behavior of Emacs here - we should give
> users the possibility to configure this easily.
>
> At least, we should define a new command dired-mouse-find-file
> (without "-other-window") which users can bind if they want. It's
> missing.
>
> But since dired is a very basic and widely used tool, and many newbies
> will not know hooks, I think it would be a better solution if we could
> provide a new user option that controls the behavior of mouse-2 in
> dired in this regard.
The basic problem is that the default for `mouse-1-click-follows-link'
has a short mouse-1 click do the same as mouse-2 whatever the latter is
bound to. If you set `mouse-1-click-follows-link' to nil, the patch
below should do what you want.
Alternatively, we could bind mouse-2 to a command
`dired-mouse-find-file' which according to some option say
`dired-mouse-find-file-other-window' would visit the file in the
selected or another window.
martin
*** lisp/dired.el 2012-09-30 09:10:59 +0000
--- lisp/dired.el 2012-10-06 10:25:26 +0000
***************
*** 1383,1388 ****
--- 1383,1389 ----
;; (define-key dired-mode-map "\C-d" 'dired-flag-file-deletion)
(let ((map (make-keymap)))
(set-keymap-parent map special-mode-map)
+ (define-key map [mouse-1] 'dired-mouse-find-file-this-window)
(define-key map [mouse-2] 'dired-mouse-find-file-other-window)
(define-key map [follow-link] 'mouse-face)
;; Commands to mark or flag certain categories of files
***************
*** 2047,2055 ****
;; Don't override the setting from .emacs.
;;;###autoload (put 'dired-find-alternate-file 'disabled t)
! (defun dired-mouse-find-file-other-window (event)
! "In Dired, visit the file or directory name you click on."
! (interactive "e")
(let (window pos file)
(save-excursion
(setq window (posn-window (event-end event))
--- 2048,2055 ----
;; Don't override the setting from .emacs.
;;;###autoload (put 'dired-find-alternate-file 'disabled t)
! (defun dired-mouse-find-file (event &optional other-window)
! "Subroutine for visting file or directory name clicked on."
(let (window pos file)
(save-excursion
(setq window (posn-window (event-end event))
***************
*** 2064,2072 ****
(dired-goto-subdir file))
(progn
(select-window window)
! (dired-other-window file)))
(select-window window)
! (find-file-other-window (file-name-sans-versions file t)))))
(defun dired-view-file ()
"In Dired, examine a file in view mode, returning to Dired when done.
--- 2064,2086 ----
(dired-goto-subdir file))
(progn
(select-window window)
! (if other-window
! (dired-other-window file)
! (dired file))))
(select-window window)
! (if other-window
! (find-file-other-window (file-name-sans-versions file t))
! (find-file (file-name-sans-versions file t))))))
!
! (defun dired-mouse-find-file-this-window (event)
! "In Dired, visit the file or directory name you click on in this window."
! (interactive "e")
! (dired-mouse-find-file event))
!
! (defun dired-mouse-find-file-other-window (event)
! "In Dired, visit the file or directory name you click on in other window."
! (interactive "e")
! (dired-mouse-find-file event t))
(defun dired-view-file ()
"In Dired, examine a file in view mode, returning to Dired when done.
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> + (define-key map [mouse-1] 'dired-mouse-find-file-this-window)
I don't think we can use this by default (but a user can have it as
a local customization, of course).
> Alternatively, we could bind mouse-2 to a command
> `dired-mouse-find-file' which according to some option say
> `dired-mouse-find-file-other-window' would visit the file in the
> selected or another window.
I hope we can start moving in this direction, indeed.
As mentioned months ago, I'd like to move away from all the
foo(|-other-(frame-window)) madness since I suspect that most users
only use one of those alternatives.
So instead, we should only have `find-file' (which the user could
customize the use this-window, other-window, or other-frame) and that
would be complemented by new prefix commands that cause the next command
to use "other-window" or "this-window" or "other-frame".
Stefan
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> As mentioned months ago, I'd like to move away from all the
> foo(|-other-(frame-window)) madness since I suspect that most users
> only use one of those alternatives.
>
> So instead, we should only have `find-file'
Would this be `dired-find-file'?
> (which the user could
> customize the use this-window, other-window, or other-frame) and that
> would be complemented by new prefix commands that cause the next command
> to use "other-window" or "this-window" or "other-frame".
Prefix commands when using the mouse?
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>> As mentioned months ago, I'd like to move away from all the
>> foo(|-other-(frame-window)) madness since I suspect that most users
>> only use one of those alternatives.
>> So instead, we should only have `find-file'
> Would this be `dired-find-file'?
For dired, yes, probably.
>> (which the user could customize the use this-window, other-window, or
>> other-frame) and that would be complemented by new prefix commands
>> that cause the next command to use "other-window" or "this-window" or
>> "other-frame".
> Prefix commands when using the mouse?
Yup.
Just like C-u can be used for them. Clearly, it's not convenient if
it's a frequent occurrence, but for occasional use, that's
perfectly fine.
Stefan
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> Just like C-u can be used for them. Clearly, it's not convenient if
> it's a frequent occurrence, but for occasional use, that's
> perfectly fine.
Suppose we wanted to make it convenient for frequent occurrence:
Wouldn't we have enough modifier combinations available for mouse
clicks? Say C-S for "other window", M-S for "other frame" ...
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> Suppose we wanted to make it convenient for frequent occurrence:
> Wouldn't we have enough modifier combinations available for mouse
> clicks? Say C-S for "other window", M-S for "other frame" ...
I suggest to use the same modifiers as used in web browsers:
mouse-1 opens in the same window, C-mouse-1 opens in other window
(not selected), C-S-mouse-1 opens in other window (and selected),
S-mouse-1 opens in other frame.
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> > Suppose we wanted to make it convenient for frequent occurrence:
> > Wouldn't we have enough modifier combinations available for mouse
> > clicks? Say C-S for "other window", M-S for "other frame" ...
>
> I suggest to use the same modifiers as used in web browsers:
> mouse-1 opens in the same window, C-mouse-1 opens in other window
> (not selected), C-S-mouse-1 opens in other window (and selected),
> S-mouse-1 opens in other frame.
I haven't followed this thread; excuse if I've misunderstood.
Please do not make mouse-1 follow links etc., except according to
`mouse-1-click-follows-link'. A user who has set that option to nil should not
be bothered by having mouse-1 do such things.
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>> Just like C-u can be used for them. Clearly, it's not convenient if
>> it's a frequent occurrence, but for occasional use, that's
>> perfectly fine.
> Suppose we wanted to make it convenient for frequent occurrence:
> Wouldn't we have enough modifier combinations available for mouse
> clicks? Say C-S for "other window", M-S for "other frame" ...
I guess so. And the two can be done independently.
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> I suggest to use the same modifiers as used in web browsers:
> mouse-1 opens in the same window, C-mouse-1 opens in other window
> (not selected), C-S-mouse-1 opens in other window (and selected),
Does this mean the buffer would appear in two windows? On Firefox
C-S-mouse-1 behaves just as C-mouse-1 here.
> S-mouse-1 opens in other frame.
Would we decode this in `find-file' or `dired-find-file'? IIUC we'd
have to check
(a) whether the mouse was used at all and, if so, which modifier was
applied,
(b) whether the mouse was over a text with a this-window / other-window
/ other-frame interpretation, and
(c) what any user customizations wrt prefix key and modifiers are in the
present context.
`push-button' and `button-activate' do something related. Could we
interact with these functions?
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>> I suggest to use the same modifiers as used in web browsers:
>> mouse-1 opens in the same window, C-mouse-1 opens in other window
>> (not selected), C-S-mouse-1 opens in other window (and selected),
>
> Does this mean the buffer would appear in two windows?
No, only in one window - in the window where the user wants it to appear.
> On Firefox C-S-mouse-1 behaves just as C-mouse-1 here.
I meant the default settings. But of course, they should be configurable.
>> S-mouse-1 opens in other frame.
>
> Would we decode this in `find-file' or `dired-find-file'? IIUC we'd
> have to check
>
> (a) whether the mouse was used at all and, if so, which modifier was
> applied,
>
> (b) whether the mouse was over a text with a this-window / other-window
> / other-frame interpretation, and
>
> (c) what any user customizations wrt prefix key and modifiers are in the
> present context.
>
> `push-button' and `button-activate' do something related. Could we
> interact with these functions?
This could be processed at the same level where `mouse-1-click-follows-link'
and `mouse-1-click-in-non-selected-windows' are already in effect for
the [follow-link] event.
A more difficult question is how to allow packages to override this default
processing, e.g. allow clicking `C-mouse-1' in Info to clone (fork) the
Info buffer, but `mouse-1' should still visit a link in the same buffer.
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> As mentioned months ago, I'd like to move away from all the
> foo(|-other-(frame-window)) madness since I suspect that most users
> only use one of those alternatives.
>
> So instead, we should only have `find-file' (which the user could
> customize the use this-window, other-window, or other-frame) and that
> would be complemented by new prefix commands that cause the next command
> to use "other-window" or "this-window" or "other-frame".
What would an appropriate prefix be and how would it coexist with
ctl-x-4-map and ctl-x-5-map?
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>> As mentioned months ago, I'd like to move away from all the
>> foo(|-other-(frame-window)) madness since I suspect that most users
>> only use one of those alternatives.
>>
>> So instead, we should only have `find-file' (which the user could
>> customize the use this-window, other-window, or other-frame) and that
>> would be complemented by new prefix commands that cause the next command
>> to use "other-window" or "this-window" or "other-frame".
> What would an appropriate prefix be and how would it coexist with
> ctl-x-4-map and ctl-x-5-map?
The way I see it, C-x 4 would be a new command which sets some vars that
affect subsequent commands (i.e. a prefix command, much like C-u or C-x RET
c) and it would also set-temporary-overlay-map with ctl-x-4-map, so that
C-x 4 f can be used as a shorthand for C-x 4 C-x C-f.
Stefan
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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
> > What would an appropriate prefix be and how would it coexist with
> > ctl-x-4-map and ctl-x-5-map?
>
> The way I see it, C-x 4 would be a new command which sets some vars that
> affect subsequent commands (i.e. a prefix command, much like C-u or C-x RET
> c) and it would also set-temporary-overlay-map with ctl-x-4-map, so that
> C-x 4 f can be used as a shorthand for C-x 4 C-x C-f.
+1 - that would be great, especially if that worked with all stuff like
C-h i, C-x r j, M-x find-function, ... But I think it's not trivial to
implement this. E.g. when using C-x 5, I don't necessarily want
*Completions* to pop up in a new frame.
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