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>> As mentioned months ago, I'd like to move away from all the
>> foo(|-other-(frame-window)) madness since I suspect that most users
>> only use one of those alternatives.
>>
>> So instead, we should only have `find-file' (which the user could
>> customize the use this-window, other-window, or other-frame) and that
>> would be complemented by new prefix commands that cause the next command
>> to use "other-window" or "this-window" or "other-frame".
> What would an appropriate prefix be and how would it coexist with
> ctl-x-4-map and ctl-x-5-map?
The way I see it, C-x 4 would be a new command which sets some vars that
affect subsequent commands (i.e. a prefix command, much like C-u or C-x RET
c) and it would also set-temporary-overlay-map with ctl-x-4-map, so that
C-x 4 f can be used as a shorthand for C-x 4 C-x C-f.
Stefan
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> I suggest to use the same modifiers as used in web browsers:
> mouse-1 opens in the same window, C-mouse-1 opens in other window
> (not selected), C-S-mouse-1 opens in other window (and selected),
Does this mean the buffer would appear in two windows? On Firefox
C-S-mouse-1 behaves just as C-mouse-1 here.
> S-mouse-1 opens in other frame.
Would we decode this in `find-file' or `dired-find-file'? IIUC we'd
have to check
(a) whether the mouse was used at all and, if so, which modifier was
applied,
(b) whether the mouse was over a text with a this-window / other-window
/ other-frame interpretation, and
(c) what any user customizations wrt prefix key and modifiers are in the
present context.
`push-button' and `button-activate' do something related. Could we
interact with these functions?
martin
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>> Just like C-u can be used for them. Clearly, it's not convenient if
>> it's a frequent occurrence, but for occasional use, that's
>> perfectly fine.
> Suppose we wanted to make it convenient for frequent occurrence:
> Wouldn't we have enough modifier combinations available for mouse
> clicks? Say C-S for "other window", M-S for "other frame" ...
I guess so. And the two can be done independently.
Stefan
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Full text available.Received: (at 11233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2012 13:33:55 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 08 09:33:55 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32928 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TLDT0-0006py-9L for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:33:54 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:50493) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1TLDSx-0006pl-Jq for 11233 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:33:53 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q98DXHEr028701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Oct 2012 13:33:17 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q98DXGwU010704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 8 Oct 2012 13:33:17 GMT Received: from abhmt103.oracle.com (abhmt103.oracle.com [141.146.116.55]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q98DXGmT004602; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 08:33:16 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.64.145) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 06:33:16 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: "'Juri Linkov'" <juri@HIDDEN>, "'martin rudalics'" <rudalics@HIDDEN> References: <86vcl4uwxa.fsf@HIDDEN> <50702A93.7060008@HIDDEN><jwvvcenzpgz.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <5070681D.50200@HIDDEN><jwvr4pblba4.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <5072795C.5030109@HIDDEN> <87391p19lv.fsf@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#11233: 24.1.50; Wishlist: dired mouse-2 other window behavior Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 06:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: <E0BDD612E93F47DB92D533C34E0CA940@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87391p19lv.fsf@HIDDEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac2lSTX0pbKSYae2QyiW3ACxkpto7QAD+JMQ X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11233 Cc: michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN, 11233 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > > Suppose we wanted to make it convenient for frequent occurrence: > > Wouldn't we have enough modifier combinations available for mouse > > clicks? Say C-S for "other window", M-S for "other frame" ... > > I suggest to use the same modifiers as used in web browsers: > mouse-1 opens in the same window, C-mouse-1 opens in other window > (not selected), C-S-mouse-1 opens in other window (and selected), > S-mouse-1 opens in other frame. I haven't followed this thread; excuse if I've misunderstood. Please do not make mouse-1 follow links etc., except according to `mouse-1-click-follows-link'. A user who has set that option to nil should not be bothered by having mouse-1 do such things.
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>> As mentioned months ago, I'd like to move away from all the
>> foo(|-other-(frame-window)) madness since I suspect that most users
>> only use one of those alternatives.
>> So instead, we should only have `find-file'
> Would this be `dired-find-file'?
For dired, yes, probably.
>> (which the user could customize the use this-window, other-window, or
>> other-frame) and that would be complemented by new prefix commands
>> that cause the next command to use "other-window" or "this-window" or
>> "other-frame".
> Prefix commands when using the mouse?
Yup.
Just like C-u can be used for them. Clearly, it's not convenient if
it's a frequent occurrence, but for occasional use, that's
perfectly fine.
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> + (define-key map [mouse-1] 'dired-mouse-find-file-this-window)
I don't think we can use this by default (but a user can have it as
a local customization, of course).
> Alternatively, we could bind mouse-2 to a command
> `dired-mouse-find-file' which according to some option say
> `dired-mouse-find-file-other-window' would visit the file in the
> selected or another window.
I hope we can start moving in this direction, indeed.
As mentioned months ago, I'd like to move away from all the
foo(|-other-(frame-window)) madness since I suspect that most users
only use one of those alternatives.
So instead, we should only have `find-file' (which the user could
customize the use this-window, other-window, or other-frame) and that
would be complemented by new prefix commands that cause the next command
to use "other-window" or "this-window" or "other-frame".
Stefan
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Subject: Re: bug#11233: 24.1.50; Wishlist: dired mouse-2 other window behavior
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> here is a question that Emacs newbies ask often: "How can I configure
> dired so that mouse clicks don't create a new window/frame."
> Unfortunately, this is currently not trivial.
>
> Obviously, Emacs dired differs from most "common" file browsers which
> just replace the current buffer/tab with the content of the clicked
> file.
>
> Not every user will like the behavior of Emacs here - we should give
> users the possibility to configure this easily.
>
> At least, we should define a new command dired-mouse-find-file
> (without "-other-window") which users can bind if they want. It's
> missing.
>
> But since dired is a very basic and widely used tool, and many newbies
> will not know hooks, I think it would be a better solution if we could
> provide a new user option that controls the behavior of mouse-2 in
> dired in this regard.
The basic problem is that the default for `mouse-1-click-follows-link'
has a short mouse-1 click do the same as mouse-2 whatever the latter is
bound to. If you set `mouse-1-click-follows-link' to nil, the patch
below should do what you want.
Alternatively, we could bind mouse-2 to a command
`dired-mouse-find-file' which according to some option say
`dired-mouse-find-file-other-window' would visit the file in the
selected or another window.
martin
*** lisp/dired.el 2012-09-30 09:10:59 +0000
--- lisp/dired.el 2012-10-06 10:25:26 +0000
***************
*** 1383,1388 ****
--- 1383,1389 ----
;; (define-key dired-mode-map "\C-d" 'dired-flag-file-deletion)
(let ((map (make-keymap)))
(set-keymap-parent map special-mode-map)
+ (define-key map [mouse-1] 'dired-mouse-find-file-this-window)
(define-key map [mouse-2] 'dired-mouse-find-file-other-window)
(define-key map [follow-link] 'mouse-face)
;; Commands to mark or flag certain categories of files
***************
*** 2047,2055 ****
;; Don't override the setting from .emacs.
;;;###autoload (put 'dired-find-alternate-file 'disabled t)
! (defun dired-mouse-find-file-other-window (event)
! "In Dired, visit the file or directory name you click on."
! (interactive "e")
(let (window pos file)
(save-excursion
(setq window (posn-window (event-end event))
--- 2048,2055 ----
;; Don't override the setting from .emacs.
;;;###autoload (put 'dired-find-alternate-file 'disabled t)
! (defun dired-mouse-find-file (event &optional other-window)
! "Subroutine for visting file or directory name clicked on."
(let (window pos file)
(save-excursion
(setq window (posn-window (event-end event))
***************
*** 2064,2072 ****
(dired-goto-subdir file))
(progn
(select-window window)
! (dired-other-window file)))
(select-window window)
! (find-file-other-window (file-name-sans-versions file t)))))
(defun dired-view-file ()
"In Dired, examine a file in view mode, returning to Dired when done.
--- 2064,2086 ----
(dired-goto-subdir file))
(progn
(select-window window)
! (if other-window
! (dired-other-window file)
! (dired file))))
(select-window window)
! (if other-window
! (find-file-other-window (file-name-sans-versions file t))
! (find-file (file-name-sans-versions file t))))))
!
! (defun dired-mouse-find-file-this-window (event)
! "In Dired, visit the file or directory name you click on in this window."
! (interactive "e")
! (dired-mouse-find-file event))
!
! (defun dired-mouse-find-file-other-window (event)
! "In Dired, visit the file or directory name you click on in other window."
! (interactive "e")
! (dired-mouse-find-file event t))
(defun dired-view-file ()
"In Dired, examine a file in view mode, returning to Dired when done.
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