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Subject: bug#12925: 24.1; string-make-unibyte instead of string-as-unibyte
Resent-From: Ethan Glasser-Camp <ethan.glasser.camp@HIDDEN>
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From: Ethan Glasser-Camp <ethan.glasser.camp@HIDDEN>
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:45:20 -0500
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Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers
usually do not have translators for other languages.

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give a recipe
starting from `emacs -Q':

This is more of a request for information than a bug report.

Consider this code:

(let ((s (string ?\u2019))) ;; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
     (with-temp-buffer 
       (set-buffer-multibyte nil) 
       (insert s) 
       (buffer-string)))

This returns a string with the character ^Y. Whereas, if you switch the
insert and set-buffer-multibyte calls:

(let ((s (string ?\u2019))) ;; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
     (with-temp-buffer 
       (insert s) 
       (set-buffer-multibyte nil) 
       (buffer-string)))

This returns "\342\200\231" (the bytes that make up this character in
utf-8).

The first behavior is documented at the info node "(elisp)Converting
Representations" -- every character is truncated to its low 8 bits. The
second behavior is documented in the following node, "(elisp)Selecting a
Representation" -- the same bytes are left in the buffer but they are
interpreted differently.

I believe that the second behavior is easier to explain and sometimes
useful and that the first one is not. So why does it exist? Why does
inserting multibyte text into a unibyte buffer corrupt it like this?

If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include the output from the following gdb commands:
    `bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
/usr/share/emacs/24.1/etc/DEBUG.


In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.12)
 of 2012-09-22 on batsu, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11300000
Configured using:
 `configure '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu' '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu'
 '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib'
 '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info'
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 '--with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' '--with-x=yes'
 '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars'
 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector
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 'CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2''

Important settings:
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  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
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  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Fundamental

Minor modes in effect:
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b u SPC <backspace> <backspace> e SPC u n i b y t e 
. M-q SPC <backspace> SPC n o t m u c h - b o <backspace> 
<backspace> g e t - b o d y p a r t i <backspace> - 
i n t e r n a l SPC a l r e a d y SPC M-b M-b M-b M-b 
M-b <return> <return> C-e d o e s SPC t h i s , SPC 
<backspace> <backspace> . SPC B r i n g SPC w i t h 
- - n o t <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> 
c u r r e n t - n o t m u c h - s h o w - m e s s g 
e <backspace> <backspace> a g e SPC i n t o SPC l i 
n e . M-q <up> C-e <up> <up> <backspace> M-< S-SPC 
<down> <backspace> <C-S-return> C-_ <up> C-d C-SPC 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> M-w M-x e m <tab> a c s <tab> - r e <tab> <M-backspace> 
<M-backspace> r e <tab> <backspace> <backspace> b u 
g <tab> <tab> <M-backspace> <M-backspace> m <backspace> 
e m <tab> <backspace> <backspace> r e <tab> p o <tab> 
r <tab> <return>

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> Why does inserting multibyte text into a unibyte buffer corrupt it
> like this?

Because the right thing (i.e. signaling an error) was not backward
compatible with broken code that assumed that chars can be presented
with 8bit (i.e. code written in the glory days of latin-N, koi-8, ...).

We could/should probably try to do the right thing now, since such
broken code is probably much less common.


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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:

>> Why does inserting multibyte text into a unibyte buffer corrupt it
>> like this?
>
> Because the right thing (i.e. signaling an error) was not backward
> compatible with broken code that assumed that chars can be presented
> with 8bit (i.e. code written in the glory days of latin-N, koi-8, ...).
>
> We could/should probably try to do the right thing now, since such
> broken code is probably much less common.

(Now eight years later.)

So the suggestion is to make inserting multibyte strings into a unibyte
buffer signal an error (instead of inserting the lower byte of
characters).

Has anybody experimented with doing this and seeing whether this signals
a lot of errors in daily usage?

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> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
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> >> Why does inserting multibyte text into a unibyte buffer corrupt it
> >> like this?
> >
> > Because the right thing (i.e. signaling an error) was not backward
> > compatible with broken code that assumed that chars can be presented
> > with 8bit (i.e. code written in the glory days of latin-N, koi-8, ...).
> >
> > We could/should probably try to do the right thing now, since such
> > broken code is probably much less common.
> 
> (Now eight years later.)
> 
> So the suggestion is to make inserting multibyte strings into a unibyte
> buffer signal an error (instead of inserting the lower byte of
> characters).
> 
> Has anybody experimented with doing this and seeing whether this signals
> a lot of errors in daily usage?

Why not make both methods do the same: insert the bytes of the
multibyte text into the unibyte buffer?

Making the buffer unibyte after insertion is a PITA, because it could
be very slow if the text in the buffer is long.  That's why people may
wish to do it the other way around: making an empty buffer unibyte is
a snap.

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> Why not make both methods do the same: insert the bytes of the
> multibyte text into the unibyte buffer?

AFAIK it's rather unusual to need to insert a text that's multibyte into
a buffer that's unibyte.  And in those cases, the right behavior is not
always the same (sometimes it should covert using something like
locale-coding-system, sometimes it should preserve the actual
byte-sequence used internally, sometimes it should signal an error, ...).

So I think, as much as possible, we should refrain from guessing and
rather request that the coder call `encode-coding-string` or something
like that explicitly to say what they want.

> Making the buffer unibyte after insertion is a PITA, because it could
> be very slow if the text in the buffer is long.

Agreed.  In my book `set-buffer-multibyte` should signal an error if the
buffer is not empty (yes, I know it's not going to happen, but I think
it's the direction we should be headed).


        Stefan

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> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
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> > Why not make both methods do the same: insert the bytes of the
> > multibyte text into the unibyte buffer?
> 
> AFAIK it's rather unusual to need to insert a text that's multibyte into
> a buffer that's unibyte.

Most possibly, people don't know the text is multibyte.  Or don't
care.

> And in those cases, the right behavior is not always the same
> (sometimes it should covert using something like
> locale-coding-system, sometimes it should preserve the actual
> byte-sequence used internally, sometimes it should signal an error,
> ...).

What I mean is: if we think the current behavior is broken, then what
I suggest is at least less broken (and sometimes might just be TRT).
At the very least what I suggest is reversible, whereas neither the
current behavior nor what you suggest is.

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>> > Why not make both methods do the same: insert the bytes of the
>> > multibyte text into the unibyte buffer?
>> AFAIK it's rather unusual to need to insert a text that's multibyte into
>> a buffer that's unibyte.
> Most possibly, people don't know the text is multibyte.
> Or don't care.

If they don't know or don't care, then the best we can do is signal an
error to try and wake them up: they *should* know and they *should*
care, otherwise it's a bit like inserting in "any buffer you like,
I don't care".

>> And in those cases, the right behavior is not always the same
>> (sometimes it should covert using something like
>> locale-coding-system, sometimes it should preserve the actual
>> byte-sequence used internally, sometimes it should signal an error,
>> ...).
> What I mean is: if we think the current behavior is broken, then what
> I suggest is at least less broken (and sometimes might just be TRT).

I doubt it's less broken: sometimes it will be TRT, other times it will
be worse than what we have.

> At the very least what I suggest is reversible, whereas neither the
> current behavior nor what you suggest is.

My point is that we shouldn't even get into the position of having to
make such arbitrary choices: we should signal an error before we
get there.


        Stefan

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> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
> Cc: larsi@HIDDEN,  12925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  ethan.glasser.camp@HIDDEN
> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2021 10:25:17 -0400
> 
> > What I mean is: if we think the current behavior is broken, then what
> > I suggest is at least less broken (and sometimes might just be TRT).
> 
> I doubt it's less broken: sometimes it will be TRT, other times it will
> be worse than what we have.
> 
> > At the very least what I suggest is reversible, whereas neither the
> > current behavior nor what you suggest is.
> 
> My point is that we shouldn't even get into the position of having to
> make such arbitrary choices: we should signal an error before we
> get there.

Well, then we still disagree.

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> Why not make both methods do the same: insert the bytes of the
> multibyte text into the unibyte buffer?

I think it's still common to have raw bytes in multibyte buffers.
Inserting data from these buffers into unibyte buffers works fine.
(That's the rationale for inserting the "lower byte" in these
situations.)

So I don't think we should change this to insert the multibyte text,
because that'd break stuff.

The question is what to do when inserting multibyte characters in
unibyte buffers, and I think that's always an error (i.e., it's never
what the person who wrote the code wanted to happen).  I think we should
start off by doing a demoted warning thing, and then segue into
signalling an error at a later date.

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