Received: (at 12925) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2021 05:07:39 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 02 01:07:38 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38340 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1loJ6Q-00056m-Nv for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jun 2021 01:07:38 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:53280) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1loJ6O-00056Y-32 for 12925 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jun 2021 01:07:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=B/pKi+b5t+7QnvRRV+4sLwi48Fl0UnUoQ3h9yRtmzTA=; b=bRaUQuqkYmSQVlzSxch5JQ6QZS cApy0icNFAI1jFErluTWR4f/TkCMuHvgQW/4YmaCF9/sgUCXisMUTkjqU3gGOKMHVPinZRiui3h3z ZgR0qp8DbTZXwLTytbW27Xq9NTjwqnu+r7FFQ0AK8nA+eJRoinipePzmvLqpo07xhL9g=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1loJ6D-00020T-LL; Wed, 02 Jun 2021 07:07:28 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#12925: 24.1; string-make-unibyte instead of string-as-unibyte References: <87wqxi24b3.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvfw46nxcp.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87lf7udq4q.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fsy123yg.fsf@HIDDEN> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEUYGBdfX1+vr7H/ //+lh0GJAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+UGAgUANf9sG3IAAAFoSURBVCjPTZK/bsIwEMY/ SzGqmIKEEXjq0IU+hTvA0Okq2agwk6rhKVi6Z2iYMyRSc0/Zsw2lN1j38/357LOBaOHEo8PVzGH0 N9/q3VA4qOh7+8qjJh3EV4Xdcu+wGOCFteXeY1XB1JpguSuxrLBZLjw0N9KywhcmvoASFROwcuY4 OAjMWlh4Gs7IkSVqCGDm1lEnYBQwNHtDrB0JJAI6na1u9LChpwgFPjo7FvSYI1VnakhmgjU9eIcy gdrLIkKLuKBKcUpgnsR9B5mY1e/lyj+yGSfgTmfZQRL9IENQBExEc0sLSpOJMLmEDAbzeSFjyqNE HWxjMljwWOuKMG1iDTOtpMb2MY250QLTPp6NuTe7Hg/LVBOhRTHPaT8mHKHdFcqylLtfQY1IIDPj MOXzFfa77+c/uOzfT5xfOqCt/R3qz+4Oh+p8gxbtgNggR7hTNr5oghBetpImrVWETcj/JoEY/YcU Uv4Xme1vHq2bd60AAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMDYtMDJUMDU6MDA6NTMrMDA6MDBl 74uoAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTA2LTAyVDA1OjAwOjUzKzAwOjAwFLIzFAAAAABJ RU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: The Band's _The Band (2)_: "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever" Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2021 07:07:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83fsy123yg.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 01 Jun 2021 14:56:39 +0300") Message-ID: <87r1hkam7m.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Why not make both methods do the same: insert the bytes of the > multibyte text into the unibyte buffer? I think it's still common to have raw bytes in multibyte buffers. Inserting data from these buffers into unibyte buffers works fine. 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I think it's still common to have raw bytes in multibyte buffers. Inserting data from these buffers into unibyte buffers works fine. (That's the rationale for inserting the "lower byte" in these situations.) So I don't think we should change this to insert the multibyte text, because that'd break stuff. The question is what to do when inserting multibyte characters in unibyte buffers, and I think that's always an error (i.e., it's never what the person who wrote the code wanted to happen). I think we should start off by doing a demoted warning thing, and then segue into signalling an error at a later date. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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>> > Why not make both methods do the same: insert the bytes of the
>> > multibyte text into the unibyte buffer?
>> AFAIK it's rather unusual to need to insert a text that's multibyte into
>> a buffer that's unibyte.
> Most possibly, people don't know the text is multibyte.
> Or don't care.
If they don't know or don't care, then the best we can do is signal an
error to try and wake them up: they *should* know and they *should*
care, otherwise it's a bit like inserting in "any buffer you like,
I don't care".
>> And in those cases, the right behavior is not always the same
>> (sometimes it should covert using something like
>> locale-coding-system, sometimes it should preserve the actual
>> byte-sequence used internally, sometimes it should signal an error,
>> ...).
> What I mean is: if we think the current behavior is broken, then what
> I suggest is at least less broken (and sometimes might just be TRT).
I doubt it's less broken: sometimes it will be TRT, other times it will
be worse than what we have.
> At the very least what I suggest is reversible, whereas neither the
> current behavior nor what you suggest is.
My point is that we shouldn't even get into the position of having to
make such arbitrary choices: we should signal an error before we
get there.
Stefan
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> Why not make both methods do the same: insert the bytes of the
> multibyte text into the unibyte buffer?
AFAIK it's rather unusual to need to insert a text that's multibyte into
a buffer that's unibyte. And in those cases, the right behavior is not
always the same (sometimes it should covert using something like
locale-coding-system, sometimes it should preserve the actual
byte-sequence used internally, sometimes it should signal an error, ...).
So I think, as much as possible, we should refrain from guessing and
rather request that the coder call `encode-coding-string` or something
like that explicitly to say what they want.
> Making the buffer unibyte after insertion is a PITA, because it could
> be very slow if the text in the buffer is long.
Agreed. In my book `set-buffer-multibyte` should signal an error if the
buffer is not empty (yes, I know it's not going to happen, but I think
it's the direction we should be headed).
Stefan
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> Why does inserting multibyte text into a unibyte buffer corrupt it
> like this?
Because the right thing (i.e. signaling an error) was not backward
compatible with broken code that assumed that chars can be presented
with 8bit (i.e. code written in the glory days of latin-N, koi-8, ...).
We could/should probably try to do the right thing now, since such
broken code is probably much less common.
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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
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Consider this code:
(let ((s (string ?\u2019))) ;; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
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This returns a string with the character ^Y. Whereas, if you switch the
insert and set-buffer-multibyte calls:
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For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
/usr/share/emacs/24.1/etc/DEBUG.
In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.12)
of 2012-09-22 on batsu, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11300000
Configured using:
`configure '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu' '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu'
'--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib'
'--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info'
'--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes'
'--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp'
'--with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' '--with-x=yes'
'--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars'
'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector
--param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall -O2'
'CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2''
Important settings:
value of $LC_ALL: nil
value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
value of $LC_TIME: nil
value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
default enable-multibyte-characters: t
Major mode: Fundamental
Minor modes in effect:
diff-auto-refine-mode: t
cua-mode: t
global-ethan-wspace-mode: t
ethan-wspace-mode: t
ethan-wspace-clean-many-nls-eof-mode: t
ethan-wspace-clean-no-nl-eof-mode: t
ethan-wspace-clean-eol-mode: t
ethan-wspace-clean-tabs-mode: t
shell-dirtrack-mode: t
recentf-mode: t
show-paren-mode: t
global-auto-revert-mode: t
xterm-mouse-mode: t
global-undo-tree-mode: t
undo-tree-mode: t
sml-modeline-mode: t
me-minor-mode: t
tooltip-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
menu-bar-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
blink-cursor-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
size-indication-mode: t
column-number-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t
Recent input:
i k e SPC u t f - 8 , SPC w e SPC r u n SPC i n t o
SPC p r o b l e m s SPC w i t h SPC e m a c s ' s SPC
M I M E S-SPC r o u t i s <backspace> n e s , SPC w
h i c h SPC f o r c e SPC b u f f e r s SPC t o SPC
b u SPC <backspace> <backspace> e SPC u n i b y t e
. M-q SPC <backspace> SPC n o t m u c h - b o <backspace>
<backspace> g e t - b o d y p a r t i <backspace> -
i n t e r n a l SPC a l r e a d y SPC M-b M-b M-b M-b
M-b <return> <return> C-e d o e s SPC t h i s , SPC
<backspace> <backspace> . SPC B r i n g SPC w i t h
- - n o t <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>
c u r r e n t - n o t m u c h - s h o w - m e s s g
e <backspace> <backspace> a g e SPC i n t o SPC l i
n e . M-q <up> C-e <up> <up> <backspace> M-< S-SPC
<down> <backspace> <C-S-return> C-_ <up> C-d C-SPC
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
<down> M-w M-x e m <tab> a c s <tab> - r e <tab> <M-backspace>
<M-backspace> r e <tab> <backspace> <backspace> b u
g <tab> <tab> <M-backspace> <M-backspace> m <backspace>
e m <tab> <backspace> <backspace> r e <tab> p o <tab>
r <tab> <return>
Recent messages:
Auto-saving...done
Mark set [2 times]
C-?:help M-p:pad M-o:open M-c:close M-b:blank M-s:string M-f:fill M-i:incr M-n:seq
Mark set
byte-code: End of buffer [2 times]
Auto-saving...done
Saving all Org-mode buffers...
(No files need saving)
Saving all Org-mode buffers... done
Making completion list... [7 times]
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/home/ethan/.emacs.d/elhome/site-lisp/upstream/org-mode.git/lisp/org-jsinfo hides /usr/share/emacs/24.1/lisp/org/org-jsinfo
/home/ethan/.emacs.d/elhome/site-lisp/upstream/org-mode.git/lisp/org-table hides /usr/share/emacs/24.1/lisp/org/org-table
/home/ethan/.emacs.d/elhome/site-lisp/upstream/org-mode.git/contrib/lisp/org-eshell hides /usr/share/emacs/24.1/lisp/org/org-eshell
/home/ethan/.emacs.d/elhome/site-lisp/upstream/org-mode.git/lisp/org-bibtex hides /usr/share/emacs/24.1/lisp/org/org-bibtex
/home/ethan/.emacs.d/el-get/el-get/.dir-locals hides /usr/share/emacs/24.1/lisp/gnus/.dir-locals
Features:
(shadow emacsbug cua-rect hi-lock shr-color color shr browse-url
gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 epg-config gnus-sum nnoo gnus-group gnus-undo
nnmail mail-source gnus-start gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range gnus-win
gnus gnus-ems nnheader vc-bzr conf-mode dired-aux tramp-cmds face-remap
mailalias ielm sendmail multi-isearch skeleton sh-script sort mail-extr
mule-util notmuch notmuch-message notmuch-maildir-fcc notmuch-hello
notmuch-show notmuch-print notmuch-crypto notmuch-mua rfc2368
notmuch-address notmuch-wash diff-mode coolj notmuch-query goto-addr
icalendar notmuch-tag crm notmuch-lib json message rfc822 mml mailabbrev
mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader mm-view mml-smime mml-sec smime dig
mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045
ietf-drums executable image-file org-irc org-capture vc-git flyspell
ispell bibtex diary-lib diary-loaddefs org noutline outline cal-menu
calendar cal-loaddefs ffap hl-line idle-highlight css-mode-autoloads
find-file-in-project-autoloads idle-highlight-autoloads
inf-ruby-autoloads rainbow-mode-autoloads ruby-electric-autoloads
ruby-mode-autoloads log-edit pcvs-util add-log ethan-misc elide-head
cua-base info color-theme ido tramp-cache tramp-sh tramp tramp-compat
shell pcomplete format-spec tramp-loaddefs recentf tree-widget paren
autorevert xt-mouse imenu thingatpt uniquify ethan-el-get .loaddefs
twittering-mode url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods
url-history url-cookie url-util url-parse auth-source eieio assoc
gnus-util password-cache url-vars mm-util mail-prsvr mailcap xml
yasnippet undo-tree diff rst compile comint ansi-color ring newcomment
whole-line-or-region browse-kill-ring java-mode-indent-annotations iedit
rect paredit edmacro kmacro rainbow-mode windmove byte-code-cache
initsplit byte-opt warnings advice advice-preload cus-edit cus-start
cus-load wid-edit find-func el-get el-get-autoloads el-get-list-packages
el-get-notify help-mode easymenu view el-get-dependencies el-get-build
el-get-status pp el-get-recipes el-get-byte-compile el-get-methods
el-get-fossil el-get-svn el-get-pacman el-get-github-zip
el-get-github-tar el-get-http-zip el-get-http-tar el-get-hg
el-get-git-svn el-get-fink el-get-emacswiki el-get-http
el-get-emacsmirror el-get-github el-get-git el-get-elpa package
tabulated-list el-get-darcs el-get-cvs el-get-bzr el-get-brew
el-get-builtin el-get-apt-get el-get-custom el-get-core autoload
help-fns bytecomp byte-compile cconv macroexp cl dired regexp-opt
emacs-goodies-el emacs-goodies-custom emacs-goodies-loaddefs easy-mmode
time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd
tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar
rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax
facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese
tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak
czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook
jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces
cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env
code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote
make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting
font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs)
Ethan Glasser-Camp <ethan.glasser.camp@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#12925; Package emacs.
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