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Hi,

Not having readline at the guile interpreter from the get-go in a GNU
environment was a quite scarring experience for me, so it would be great
to have a way to enable readline by default.

init.scm could provide that, but:

<wingo> it seems to search the load path for init.scm
<wingo> before loading anything else
<wingo> tricky though, apparently that happens even before loading boot-9=


Ideally there should be either a compileflag or a systemwide config file
to enable readline support in the whole system. If it is a compile-flag
it might be useful to not make it default, because developers why
develop proprietary applications could then by accident compile a
program with activated readline support.

If such a flag existed, most GNU/Linux distributions could simply
activate it for guile itself (as long as they do not ship unfree scripts
using guile which depend on readline support =E2=80=94 those scripts woul=
d
violate the GPL, but they would not work at all without readline
support, so this dependency should be pretty clear).

Best wishes,
Arne
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---- "Arne Babenhauserheide (IMK)" <arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN> wrote:=
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> Hi,
>=20
> Not having readline at the guile interpreter from the get-go in a GNU
> environment was a quite scarring experience for me, so it would be great
> to have a way to enable readline by default.
>=20
> init.scm could provide that, but:
>=20
> <wingo> it seems to search the load path for init.scm
> <wingo> before loading anything else
> <wingo> tricky though, apparently that happens even before loading boot-9
>=20
> Ideally there should be either a compileflag or a systemwide config file
> to enable readline support in the whole system. If it is a compile-flag
> it might be useful to not make it default, because developers why
> develop proprietary applications could then by accident compile a
> program with activated readline support.
>=20
> If such a flag existed, most GNU/Linux distributions could simply
> activate it for guile itself (as long as they do not ship unfree scripts
> using guile which depend on readline support =E2=80=94 those scripts woul=
d
> violate the GPL, but they would not work at all without readline
> support, so this dependency should be pretty clear).

Sometimes readline gets in the way, for example, when using guile with emac=
s.

If it was enabled by default, then there also must be an option to disable =
it when not needed.

The main reason readline is not enabled by default (IIRC), is the license d=
ifferences between readline and guile. (GPL and LGPL)

-Dale





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I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that libguile could be under LGPL,
but guile the executable could be under GPL, and therefore use readline by
default.

As you say, there would have to be an option to turn it off. Maybe
--no-readline?

Noah


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM, <dsmich@HIDDEN> wrote:

>
> ---- "Arne Babenhauserheide (IMK)" <arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Not having readline at the guile interpreter from the get-go in a GNU
> > environment was a quite scarring experience for me, so it would be grea=
t
> > to have a way to enable readline by default.
> >
> > init.scm could provide that, but:
> >
> > <wingo> it seems to search the load path for init.scm
> > <wingo> before loading anything else
> > <wingo> tricky though, apparently that happens even before loading boot=
-9
> >
> > Ideally there should be either a compileflag or a systemwide config fil=
e
> > to enable readline support in the whole system. If it is a compile-flag
> > it might be useful to not make it default, because developers why
> > develop proprietary applications could then by accident compile a
> > program with activated readline support.
> >
> > If such a flag existed, most GNU/Linux distributions could simply
> > activate it for guile itself (as long as they do not ship unfree script=
s
> > using guile which depend on readline support =97 those scripts would
> > violate the GPL, but they would not work at all without readline
> > support, so this dependency should be pretty clear).
>
> Sometimes readline gets in the way, for example, when using guile with
> emacs.
>
> If it was enabled by default, then there also must be an option to disabl=
e
> it when not needed.
>
> The main reason readline is not enabled by default (IIRC), is the license
> differences between readline and guile. (GPL and LGPL)
>
> -Dale
>
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that libguile could =
be under LGPL, but guile the executable could be under GPL, and therefore u=
se readline by default.<br><br>As you say, there would have to be an option=
 to turn it off. Maybe --no-readline?<br>

<br>Noah<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:dsmich@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">dsmich@HIDDEN</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><br>
---- &quot;Arne Babenhauserheide (IMK)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:arne.bab=
enhauserheide@HIDDEN">arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Not having readline at the guile interpreter from the get-go in a GNU<=
br>
&gt; environment was a quite scarring experience for me, so it would be gre=
at<br>
&gt; to have a way to enable readline by default.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; init.scm could provide that, but:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &lt;wingo&gt; it seems to search the load path for init.scm<br>
&gt; &lt;wingo&gt; before loading anything else<br>
&gt; &lt;wingo&gt; tricky though, apparently that happens even before loadi=
ng boot-9<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Ideally there should be either a compileflag or a systemwide config fi=
le<br>
&gt; to enable readline support in the whole system. If it is a compile-fla=
g<br>
&gt; it might be useful to not make it default, because developers why<br>
&gt; develop proprietary applications could then by accident compile a<br>
&gt; program with activated readline support.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If such a flag existed, most GNU/Linux distributions could simply<br>
&gt; activate it for guile itself (as long as they do not ship unfree scrip=
ts<br>
&gt; using guile which depend on readline support =97 those scripts would<b=
r>
&gt; violate the GPL, but they would not work at all without readline<br>
&gt; support, so this dependency should be pretty clear).<br>
<br>
</div>Sometimes readline gets in the way, for example, when using guile wit=
h emacs.<br>
<br>
If it was enabled by default, then there also must be an option to disable =
it when not needed.<br>
<br>
The main reason readline is not enabled by default (IIRC), is the license d=
ifferences between readline and guile. (GPL and LGPL)<br>
<br>
-Dale<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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I am not a lawyer either, but I know that the license of the executable
does not place restrictions on the license of the guile-specific code
(as long as that code is GPL-compatible).

Best wishes,
Arne

Am 30.08.2013 17:49, schrieb Noah Lavine:
> I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that libguile could be under LGPL=
,
> but guile the executable could be under GPL, and therefore use readline=

> by default.
>=20
> As you say, there would have to be an option to turn it off. Maybe
> --no-readline?
>=20
> Noah
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM, <dsmich@HIDDEN
> <mailto:dsmich@HIDDEN>> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     ---- "Arne Babenhauserheide (IMK)" <arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN
>     <mailto:arne.babenhauserheide@HIDDEN>> wrote:
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     > Not having readline at the guile interpreter from the get-go in a=
 GNU
>     > environment was a quite scarring experience for me, so it would b=
e
>     great
>     > to have a way to enable readline by default.
>     >
>     > init.scm could provide that, but:
>     >
>     > <wingo> it seems to search the load path for init.scm
>     > <wingo> before loading anything else
>     > <wingo> tricky though, apparently that happens even before loadin=
g
>     boot-9
>     >
>     > Ideally there should be either a compileflag or a systemwide
>     config file
>     > to enable readline support in the whole system. If it is a
>     compile-flag
>     > it might be useful to not make it default, because developers why=

>     > develop proprietary applications could then by accident compile a=

>     > program with activated readline support.
>     >
>     > If such a flag existed, most GNU/Linux distributions could simply=

>     > activate it for guile itself (as long as they do not ship unfree
>     scripts
>     > using guile which depend on readline support =97 those scripts wo=
uld
>     > violate the GPL, but they would not work at all without readline
>     > support, so this dependency should be pretty clear).
>=20
>     Sometimes readline gets in the way, for example, when using guile
>     with emacs.
>=20
>     If it was enabled by default, then there also must be an option to
>     disable it when not needed.
>=20
>     The main reason readline is not enabled by default (IIRC), is the
>     license differences between readline and guile. (GPL and LGPL)
>=20
>     -Dale
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20


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 Content preview:  severity 15217 wishlist severity 15221 wishlist thanks [...]
    
 
 Content analysis details:   (2.0 points, 10.0 required)
 
  pts rule name              description
 ---- ---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
  1.8 MISSING_SUBJECT        Missing Subject: header
  0.2 NO_SUBJECT             Extra score for no subject

severity 15217 wishlist
severity 15221 wishlist
thanks





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